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It's not petty and mean. That's the BS part. I haven't engaged the OP hardly at all, but he is more than deserving of people taking shots at him. He is way more aggressive toward people than the other way around. Methinks you should be pointing the finger that direction.
It's bullying behaviour that some people just need to keep throwing stones, because really they need to feel important or to fit in with their group of friends. I've been badly bullied non-stop when I was young. Being Iranian in Utah as a kid is not like it is now. I had spit balls thrown in my thick hair, locker tied so I couldn't open it, gum placed on my seat, my house tp'd, egged- you name it. I was so glad we moved to Iran before I really made my thought of just offing myself transfer to reality. I can't imagine if there was internet back them. I probably wouldn't be here if I had that on top. So yes, I err on being safe than sorry even with someone I don't know. I know how moods can swing. One day you can handle it, it's ok then the next it's like make it stop or I'm done.
It is. Are those he's taking shots at troubled? Is it really effecting their lives what he may say? I hardly think so. I used to get wound up when my uncle would get drunk and call me whore and all kinds of awful stuff that no one should hear from anyone, much less a close relative- and we're all close. We need to know for ourselves whether to fight back or to just walk away. And fighting back to someone online who is clearly disturbed which no one can deny is if not mean, then at least a waste of energy. Easier to put on ignore isn't it?
You starting threads that he's coming into and behaving like that?
I haven't went after him. But I do find it amazing, and I mean absolutely 100% amazing, that people have this guy's back when he's so flippant and rude to people and posts like he's proud of it all and so superior to those who criticize. I ain't buying.
I simply told him he needed to get into AA immediately and this was the response this morning:
I haven't confronted him but for a small exchange a while back. But people have every right to so get off your high horse.
Ok, so do what he says and leave him be. Why do you keep feeding into it? When my uncle turns to a beast, we walk away, and that's a close fam member. We don't put more on him because there is a reason why he is drinking like a fish. He may or may not bottom out. We don't see him at the age of 56 getting help so we modify our own lives to deal with it. Don't like the smoke, we get out of the kitchen. Those who stick around then whine about being kicked because of getting good advice should know better and just leave the thread. So easy to do on the internet, not so easy in real life with a close relative you still love despite it all.
No. It really isn't. But regardless, my fight isn't with the OP. I've long ago formed my opinion. My argument is more with those that jump on others for engaging him in a way certain people don't approve of. I believe the OP deserves any and all backlash he gets.
This isn't bullying? Piling on someone who is obviously disturbed because this disturbed individual was mean to someone who as far as we can tell, can handle it? There are cliques on this board. The most obvious one is the GM's thread about nothing which is like the sanctuary is to fft but on the same board. If people don't like feeling like they are trash or whatnot, leave the damn thread. I don't get this manly stuff of defending your honour here in such a thread like this. :dunno:
Awfully sensitive.
Tbh, I don't ever see this kind of behavior in the threads I frequent. So no.
I don't see how you can compare it as the same thing. We all agree Rok has serious issues. Some days he feels fine, others he is on the ledge. Do those other people need defending? Are they suicidal from time to time, or could be? If there is someone who needs help then by all means let us know so we can try and help or to be supportive at the very least. I remember long ago when people were piling on me and no one came to my defense. Thankfully I learned to either leave the board or ignore those posts. Every message board seems to have some people that seem to be bullies because you can on the internet. The only sites there is 0 chance is like a cancer board or something like that where insensitivity is not tolerated at all.
You said yourself you don't know what people are going through. And there are different theories on what Rok's issues are. I would be careful using the term "we all agree"
I have said for the longest time that we all agree he has issues. Even if it's all schtick, that a serious issue. He needs help, and not just for being an alchy. So yes, we don't know for sure what it is,, not even sure he does himself, so all we have is theories---which whatever it is, he has serious issues.
no I'm not. I agreed with you.Are you seriously arguing semantics between **** and #######good lord
I thought you had Rok and his thread on ignore? Let him speak to himself if that's what it comes down to at some point. I just don't get why people need to insert themselves in a thread just to rock the already rocky boat. I still haven't heard of a good answer. The firing back because you were fired upon is not a reason. As I said above, this is his "house." The only one on this board. Don't like what's inside, leave. Can't get any simpler than that. And that's not defending what Rok says or saying he has "won". I don't see this as a game though some of you do. Take the high road and just leave his "house" if you can't say anything positive. There's a ton of threads to get into, including those you can create. Why keep getting stuck in this one by coming back?
What I've seen is him reacting that way to people who aren't trying to help him and are just posting barbs and snark. I haven't seen the assholishness from him come out to the people trying to help. But this is my first trip back in a while... if it's come to that, bleh.
I have him on ignore. And I'm not seeing or responding to his posts. You, I and El Floppo are having a conversation. Is that not acceptable? I'm not bashing Rok.
He does from time to time but not frequently. He's never said anything bad to me. I usually get the "sane" remarks from him in wanting help, schtick or not. Doesn't matter to me. I figure there may be others who are looking for help but don't post who can use the advice here so it's not just for him.
You could have moved this conversation to that thread. That way Rok wouldn't have to be a part of it.If it's about a boring Sat evening like mine, yeah, get to it. Spice it up.
Or maybe he realises that I don't swing from being ###-ish to trying to help. I'm consistently for giving the person the benefit of the doubt, and if I'm schticked then who cares. Doesn't effect my life. But I feel better posting hopefully helpful stuff if not for him then someone else who may be reading and not replying here..
Because, ultimately this is a community. When the community asks for help, the FFA more often than not comes guns-a-blazing. What he's doing IMO is diminishing the community because those that routinely help with very good to great advice are often engaged aggressively by your GB RnR. I don't think that aligns with the community here and call him out on his trolling. There have been a tremendous number of people who have gone out of their way to help, offer advice and would be happy to help in anyway they can privately as well. He chooses to engage in a hostile manner, so he should not get a free pass IMO. TBH I'd love to hear what our GB @Koya thinks of this as he's met RnR in person but he's been silent in this thread. Wonder why.
I think you're buddies like fantasycurse don't check in often on the weekends. You may want to wait to get more likes on Monday when people are bored at work and hanging here..
Again, why do you engage with him in his posts or his thread?? No one has given me an explanation as to why that makes sense. A close fam member is closer than a community, even like this one- though I disagree that everyone here really cares about each other. That's why there are cliques that are obvious, and there would be no need for an ignore option..
Not sure how many times it's been mentioned. Some people come in here and just bash him because of past transgressions. This happens in every thread. I already outlined my two specific reasons I don't care for him and have a personal vendetta against him. I wouldn't be surprised to see a thread update asking how to dodge a dui conviction or "well I killed someone while I was driving drunk/high"
Have never had a desire to get involved in this stuff... as to meeting, seemed like a good enough guy over a couple drinks.
It was ok.
If that's what you think then you clearly haven't spent enough time in the FFA. There are quite a few folks here that I genuinely care about, but you go on thinking that no one here does that. I've spent time BSing with and hanging out with guys from this board and there are more than a dozen that I'd love to hang out with but haven't had the opportunity to yet.
Speaks volumes to me, thanks for the post.Have never had a desire to get involved in this stuff... as to meeting, seemed like a good enough guy over a couple drinks.
After that though, he left a lambasting (satirical? Just, odd) post toward me and I didn't find it worth getting into.
His persona on here aside, because I really don't pay much attention to it, seemed like a good guy hope it works out.
No, more like Zen for me. Why look for stress. You see his thread, know him from prior postings, and yet around and around you go in here. Pick your fights as they say. I don't have time or energy to add more stress to my life. Maybe some of you do. I just offer up a way to not add to yours by constantly engaging in a thread which doesn't go anywhere but round and round. What I post I hope helps people. Otherwise I'm not checking in here every day. Don't have the stamina. I must have slept well last night to last this long but I truly hope I'm helping people, not just Rok.
