So if Character matters so much now... (1 Viewer)

[SwampDawg]

All I hear about Tebow is that he has such great character and is such a leader...Rolle has mid round NFL talent (like Tebow) and he's a Rhodes Scholar, that sounds like heck of a leader to me. I'd be thrilled if the Dolphins got him in round 3 or 4.

 

[CrossEyed]

None of the GMs want players who are smarter than they are.

 

[OMG! Ponies!]

i'm sure McFool will jump to the top of the 2nd to draft him. nothing like drafting a team full of "want to" guys that just aren't that good.

 

[Hang 10]

Tebow might not have your prototypical NFL QB skill set but he's definitely got 1st round talent.

 

[CentralPA]

Wasn't Myron Rolle projcted to be a high 1st round pick if he had decided to declare for the draft instead of go for the Rhodes? He could potentially be the steal of the draft if he drops down to the 3rd or 4th round.

 

[vandyt]

Wasn't Myron Rolle projcted to be a high 1st round pick if he had decided to declare for the draft instead of go for the Rhodes? He could potentially be the steal of the draft if he drops down to the 3rd or 4th round.

Sure, in the same way Andre Woodson or Rodrique Wright were before any scouts started formally evaluating him.rom the pre-draft process, it became fairly clear that based on the standards used to measure such things, Rolle potentially lacks the necessary speed and agility to play safety in the NFL.

The presumption in the OP is flawed. Rolle's character will help him get draft earlier...he'll like be a round 2-4 pick, instead of a 5-7 were he just being evaluated on talent alone.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Tebow might not have your prototypical NFL QB skill set but he's definitely got 1st round talent.

If H-backs or FBs, etc were important or were graded 1st round talent.Tebow is a great player....works hard....leader...etc....but he does not have 1st round QB talent....not even close. Give me Dan Lefevor over him any day of the week.

 

[Hang 10]

Tebow might not have your prototypical NFL QB skill set but he's definitely got 1st round talent.

If H-backs or FBs, etc were important or were graded 1st round talent.Tebow is a great player....works hard....leader...etc....but he does not have 1st round QB talent....not even close. Give me Dan Lefevor over him any day of the week.

What do you consider talent? So because Tebow has an unorthodox throwing motion and played in the spread offense, suddenly he's not talented?

 

[Matt Waldman]

Tebow might not have your prototypical NFL QB skill set but he's definitely got 1st round talent.

If H-backs or FBs, etc were important or were graded 1st round talent.Tebow is a great player....works hard....leader...etc....but he does not have 1st round QB talent....not even close. Give me Dan Lefevor over him any day of the week.

The difference that's easy to articulate is that Tebow is "dedicated to the game" while Rolle's life-changing opportunities are seen as a potential distraction that will keep him from being the dedicated to football. Not what I believe, but what others do. If Tebow were a TE or FB, he'd be a 3rd or 4th round pick if just judging athleticism. The other difference is that Tim Tebow (not his fault and something to admire actually) is what a lot of America wants to sell itself as being. Myron Rolle is admired, but not in the same way and not as much by what our society covets.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

i'm sure McFool will jump to the top of the 2nd to draft him. nothing like drafting a team full of "want to" guys that just aren't that good.

It takes some nuts to pop off like that about the Broncos when you're a Chefs fan. Kudos.

 

[ChargersOH]

Tebow might not have your prototypical NFL QB skill set but he's definitely got 1st round talent.

This.The guy was a beast and playmaker in college. He has a strong arm, good athleticisim, and a lot of tape of beating psuedo NFL SEC Ds.He has first round talent, and unlike most of the first rounders did more than just show up and look pretty at the combine.

 

[got_nugs]

Wasn't Myron Rolle projcted to be a high 1st round pick if he had decided to declare for the draft instead of go for the Rhodes? He could potentially be the steal of the draft if he drops down to the 3rd or 4th round.

Sure, in the same way Andre Woodson or Rodrique Wright were before any scouts started formally evaluating him.rom the pre-draft process, it became fairly clear that based on the standards used to measure such things, Rolle potentially lacks the necessary speed and agility to play safety in the NFL.

The presumption in the OP is flawed. Rolle's character will help him get draft earlier...he'll like be a round 2-4 pick, instead of a 5-7 were he just being evaluated on talent alone.

scouts obviously know everything. How much time do we have to talk about when 'talented' players such as Drew Brees were taken in rd 2 or later.

Rolle is every bit as talented as the 2nd/3rd rd pick that is used to take him.

 

[phthalatemagic]

It's possible that GMs don't want another Robert Smith situation, where they don't want to spend a high pick on a bright person that has more interests than football, only to quit after a few years to move onto other pursuits in life. This is said with me not knowing how good of a physical prospect Rolle is. I thought he was just under the top tier of safeties though.

Rolle combine numbers:

6″2″ 215

40 4.59

BJ 10″4

shuttle 4.15

3 cone 6.94

225 21

vert 36

 

[Chunky Soup]

Tebow might not have your prototypical NFL QB skill set but he's definitely got 1st round talent.

This.The guy was a beast and playmaker in college. He has a strong arm, good athleticisim, and a lot of tape of beating psuedo NFL SEC Ds.He has first round talent, and unlike most of the first rounders did more than just show up and look pretty at the combine.

I think in both of the above posts you could say the same exact things about Rolle.

 

[Hang 10]

Tebow might not have your prototypical NFL QB skill set but he's definitely got 1st round talent.

This.The guy was a beast and playmaker in college. He has a strong arm, good athleticisim, and a lot of tape of beating psuedo NFL SEC Ds.He has first round talent, and unlike most of the first rounders did more than just show up and look pretty at the combine.

I think in both of the above posts you could say the same exact things about Rolle.

Rolle's biggest drawback is that he's slow for his position. Tebow on the otherhand probably has top 5 athletic ability at his position.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Tebow might not have your prototypical NFL QB skill set but he's definitely got 1st round talent.

If H-backs or FBs, etc were important or were graded 1st round talent.Tebow is a great player....works hard....leader...etc....but he does not have 1st round QB talent....not even close. Give me Dan Lefevor over him any day of the week.

What do you consider talent? So because Tebow has an unorthodox throwing motion and played in the spread offense, suddenly he's not talented?

The reason he isn't going to be a 1st round talented QB...has to do with his release....it's long. That means that defenders have longer to react and will be intercepted much more at the next level(see Byron Leftwich).Tebow isn't overly tall 6'2....but also has short arm length 31.6". Compare that to Bradford(who is 6'4 already) 34.29" and Clausen(who is 6'2 as well) 36" arms. What does that mean....balls batted down or up at the LOS. He already doesn't have a great throwing motion...add in that he isn't 6'4 or taller and has short arms=trouble getting the ball to his recievers.Tebow isn't great at making reads and b/c so he takes off to run too early. He locks onto his primary target too often. Needs to learn progression, reading coverages, etc. If you think he can learn that b/c of smarts....he scored a below average Wonderlic at 22(bradford scored a 36).He also doesn't have great accuracy and has poor footwork...throwing off balance, over-striding, or stepping to his receivers. He also has trouble anticipating.Tebow has a ton of work to do....I just don't see it at the NFL level for him....one of the greatest college football players of all time....NFL not so much.

 

[Buffaloes]

i'm sure McFool will jump to the top of the 2nd to draft him. nothing like drafting a team full of "want to" guys that just aren't that good.

It takes some nuts to pop off like that about the Broncos when you're a Chefs fan. Kudos.

 

[Hang 10]

Tebow might not have your prototypical NFL QB skill set but he's definitely got 1st round talent.

If H-backs or FBs, etc were important or were graded 1st round talent.Tebow is a great player....works hard....leader...etc....but he does not have 1st round QB talent....not even close. Give me Dan Lefevor over him any day of the week.

What do you consider talent? So because Tebow has an unorthodox throwing motion and played in the spread offense, suddenly he's not talented?

The reason he isn't going to be a 1st round talented QB...has to do with his release....it's long. That means that defenders have longer to react and will be intercepted much more at the next level(see Byron Leftwich).Tebow isn't overly tall 6'2....but also has short arm length 31.6". Compare that to Bradford(who is 6'4 already) 34.29" and Clausen(who is 6'2 as well) 36" arms. What does that mean....balls batted down or up at the LOS. He already doesn't have a great throwing motion...add in that he isn't 6'4 or taller and has short arms=trouble getting the ball to his recievers.Tebow isn't great at making reads and b/c so he takes off to run too early. He locks onto his primary target too often. Needs to learn progression, reading coverages, etc. If you think he can learn that b/c of smarts....he scored a below average Wonderlic at 22(bradford scored a 36).He also doesn't have great accuracy and has poor footwork...throwing off balance, over-striding, or stepping to his receivers. He also has trouble anticipating.Tebow has a ton of work to do....I just don't see it at the NFL level for him....one of the greatest college football players of all time....NFL not so much.

I sure haven't heard many claim Tebow was too small. Geez.Most the stuff you mentioned could be worked on and improved. My only point was, that Tebow has loads of talent. That's undeniable.

 

[QUEZILLA]

None of the GMs want players who are smarter than they are.

Yeah, Myron is probably smarter than anyone who has ever had anything to do with the NFL.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Tebow might not have your prototypical NFL QB skill set but he's definitely got 1st round talent.

If H-backs or FBs, etc were important or were graded 1st round talent.Tebow is a great player....works hard....leader...etc....but he does not have 1st round QB talent....not even close. Give me Dan Lefevor over him any day of the week.

What do you consider talent? So because Tebow has an unorthodox throwing motion and played in the spread offense, suddenly he's not talented?

The reason he isn't going to be a 1st round talented QB...has to do with his release....it's long. That means that defenders have longer to react and will be intercepted much more at the next level(see Byron Leftwich).

Sportscience said Tebow shaved off 60 microseconds from him old release to something like .530 seconds. I really don't know how much that is relative to starting NFL QBs though. I bet it's still pretty slow.

 

[Wu-banger]

Rolle's Draft party is set for tomorrow... all the info is that he is not going to be selected tonight.

Going to FSU was a bad choice .. the timing was not right for him and the team. Very young secondary that depended on him to pick up thier slack .. even a a Frosh. Left him exposed a lot of times.

Silently he is still kicking himself for not going to Florida ...him playing with Tebow on a National Championship team would have made his on field career seem worl'ds better.

and imagine the off field campain .. Tebow and Rolle would look like a future Presidential ballot.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Rolle's Draft party is set for tomorrow... all the info is that he is not going to be selected tonight.Going to FSU was a bad choice .. the timing was not right for him and the team. Very young secondary that depended on him to pick up thier slack .. even a a Frosh. Left him exposed a lot of times. Silently he is still kicking himself for not going to Florida ...him playing with Tebow on a National Championship team would have made his on field career seem worl'ds better. and imagine the off field campain .. Tebow and Rolle would look like a future Presidential ballot.

Yeah, and him getting blown up by his own teammate (Major Wright) regluarly would have toughened him up a good deal more too.

 

[cstu]

Wasn't Myron Rolle projcted to be a high 1st round pick if he had decided to declare for the draft instead of go for the Rhodes? He could potentially be the steal of the draft if he drops down to the 3rd or 4th round.

Sure, in the same way Andre Woodson or Rodrique Wright were before any scouts started formally evaluating him.rom the pre-draft process, it became fairly clear that based on the standards used to measure such things, Rolle potentially lacks the necessary speed and agility to play safety in the NFL.

The presumption in the OP is flawed. Rolle's character will help him get draft earlier...he'll like be a round 2-4 pick, instead of a 5-7 were he just being evaluated on talent alone.

scouts obviously know everything. How much time do we have to talk about when 'talented' players such as Drew Brees were taken in rd 2 or later.



Rolle is every bit as talented as the 2nd/3rd rd pick that is used to take him.

I'd take him over a clueless safety like Mays.

 

[healthpellets]

i'm sure McFool will jump to the top of the 2nd to draft him. nothing like drafting a team full of "want to" guys that just aren't that good.

It takes some nuts to pop off like that about the Broncos when you're a Chefs fan. Kudos.

God didn't bless me with a lot. But he did bless me with plenty of those.

 

[george]

 

[SwampDawg]

The other difference is that Tim Tebow (not his fault and something to admire actually) is what a lot of America wants to sell itself as being. Myron Rolle is admired, but not in the same way and not as much by what our society covets.

I'm not going to turn this into a political/religious discussion but it says a lot about us if what we would rather be is an over achieving jock then a kid that while being a great athlete is also highly intelligent and takes being a student athlete to a new level and hopes to be a brain surgeon after football.

 

[Honda]

I'm a fan of Rolle in a borderline non-heterosexual way...

But I'm not sure I understand the premise of the question. Safeties that run in the 4.7's at the combine don't go in the first.

The level of indictment on society Rolle's heretofore non-selection equates to is 0.0.

 

[phthalatemagic]

The other difference is that Tim Tebow (not his fault and something to admire actually) is what a lot of America wants to sell itself as being. Myron Rolle is admired, but not in the same way and not as much by what our society covets.

I'm not going to turn this into a political/religious discussion but it says a lot about us if what we would rather be is an over achieving jock then a kid that while being a great athlete is also highly intelligent and takes being a student athlete to a new level and hopes to be a brain surgeon after football.

If he was serious about becoming a brain surgeon, he would have majored in something different than exercise science.

 

[Honda]

The other difference is that Tim Tebow (not his fault and something to admire actually) is what a lot of America wants to sell itself as being. Myron Rolle is admired, but not in the same way and not as much by what our society covets.

I'm not going to turn this into a political/religious discussion but it says a lot about us if what we would rather be is an over achieving jock then a kid that while being a great athlete is also highly intelligent and takes being a student athlete to a new level and hopes to be a brain surgeon after football.

If he was serious about becoming a brain surgeon, he would have majored in something different than exercise science.

He got his M.A. from Oxford in medical anthropology. He finished his excercise science degree in 2.5 years.

 

[phthalatemagic]

The other difference is that Tim Tebow (not his fault and something to admire actually) is what a lot of America wants to sell itself as being. Myron Rolle is admired, but not in the same way and not as much by what our society covets.

I'm not going to turn this into a political/religious discussion but it says a lot about us if what we would rather be is an over achieving jock then a kid that while being a great athlete is also highly intelligent and takes being a student athlete to a new level and hopes to be a brain surgeon after football.

If he was serious about becoming a brain surgeon, he would have majored in something different than exercise science.

He got his M.A. in medical anthropology.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Tebow might not have your prototypical NFL QB skill set but he's definitely got 1st round talent.

If H-backs or FBs, etc were important or were graded 1st round talent.

Tebow is a great player....works hard....leader...etc....but he does not have 1st round QB talent....not even close. Give me Dan Lefevor over him any day of the week.

What do you consider talent? So because Tebow has an unorthodox throwing motion and played in the spread offense, suddenly he's not talented?

The reason he isn't going to be a 1st round talented QB...has to do with his release....it's long. That means that defenders have longer to react and will be intercepted much more at the next level(see Byron Leftwich).

Tebow isn't overly tall 6'2....but also has short arm length 31.6". Compare that to Bradford(who is 6'4 already) 34.29" and Clausen(who is 6'2 as well) 36" arms. What does that mean....balls batted down or up at the LOS. He already doesn't have a great throwing motion...add in that he isn't 6'4 or taller and has short arms=trouble getting the ball to his recievers.

Tebow isn't great at making reads and b/c so he takes off to run too early. He locks onto his primary target too often. Needs to learn progression, reading coverages, etc. If you think he can learn that b/c of smarts....he scored a below average Wonderlic at 22(bradford scored a 36).

He also doesn't have great accuracy and has poor footwork...throwing off balance, over-striding, or stepping to his receivers. He also has trouble anticipating.

Tebow has a ton of work to do....I just don't see it at the NFL level for him....one of the greatest college football players of all time....NFL not so much.

I sure haven't heard many claim Tebow was too small. Geez.His legs are huge yes....but short arms....low release angle....shorter than 6'4....leads to batted passes.

Most the stuff you mentioned could be worked on and improved.

You could say that about any prospect...I'm sure Reggie Bush could be a great RB if he ran inside and would finish off runs...will he???

My only point was, that Tebow has loads of talent. That's undeniable.

How is it undeniable??? Pretty sure I made lots of good points in there.

 

[Honda]

The other difference is that Tim Tebow (not his fault and something to admire actually) is what a lot of America wants to sell itself as being. Myron Rolle is admired, but not in the same way and not as much by what our society covets.

I'm not going to turn this into a political/religious discussion but it says a lot about us if what we would rather be is an over achieving jock then a kid that while being a great athlete is also highly intelligent and takes being a student athlete to a new level and hopes to be a brain surgeon after football.

If he was serious about becoming a brain surgeon, he would have majored in something different than exercise science.

He got his M.A. in medical anthropology.

In 3.5 years start to finish.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

The other difference is that Tim Tebow (not his fault and something to admire actually) is what a lot of America wants to sell itself as being. Myron Rolle is admired, but not in the same way and not as much by what our society covets.

I'm not going to turn this into a political/religious discussion but it says a lot about us if what we would rather be is an over achieving jock then a kid that while being a great athlete is also highly intelligent and takes being a student athlete to a new level and hopes to be a brain surgeon after football.

Welcome to America. St Louis Public Schools are trying to cut 500 jobs to save $34 million, but somehow the city's fans will come up with $50 million for Sam Bradford.

 

[massraider]

It's a little known fact that Rhodes Scholars are coke-snorting pedophiles.

 

[phthalatemagic]

In 3.5 years start to finish.

If he didn't major in physics, he should go back to school. It's pretty much the standard.

 

[ChargersOH]

Rolle's biggest drawback is that he's slow for his position. Tebow on the otherhand probably has top 5 athletic ability at his position.

Apples and oranges. Rolle's biggest problem is there were CBs ahead of him that teams coveted more. I expect him to go in the second, and be a good player. People will talk about negatives all day long. Haden ran a 4.6 roughly at the combine. However, if you watch tapes the guy was a beast game day and a player. Will he pan out in the NFL? I'd say he has less of a chance being a superstar CB in Cleveland than Tebow does in Denver, due to the culture.

 

[Sweet Love]

It's possible that GMs don't want another Robert Smith situation, where they don't want to spend a high pick on a bright person that has more interests than football, only to quit after a few years to move onto other pursuits in life. This is said with me not knowing how good of a physical prospect Rolle is. I thought he was just under the top tier of safeties though.Rolle combine numbers:6″2″ 21540 4.59BJ 10″4shuttle 4.153 cone 6.94225 21vert 36

Smith actually did the Vikes a favor. He played until he was at 99% of capacity...he never had one aspect of fading away and considering that most guys linger around (list is soooo long won't even bother mentioning names), as a GM, I would be all over a guy willing to give me 7 years and walk away before I had to pay over-market in order to keep him. If Michael Bennet panned out, it would have been a beautiful transition and one that would have given the Vikes an elite running game for a twenty year span (if you include ADP). As a GM, the last thing I would want is a guy hanging around, collecting a check, but is so popular with the fanbase, I can't outright cut him.