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So if Donnie Edwards moves along.... (1 Viewer)

radiohead417

Footballguy
Who would they be playing at ILB? I know they have Randal Godfrey for another year, and I guess Matt Wilhelm would step in? I guess maybe they'd draft a guy? It just seems like they are pretty light at that spot to be giving up a guy like Donnie Edwards.

 

Spike

Footballguy
Who would they be playing at ILB? I know they have Randal Godfrey for another year, and I guess Matt Wilhelm would step in? I guess maybe they'd draft a guy? It just seems like they are pretty light at that spot to be giving up a guy like Donnie Edwards.
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Weiner Dog

Footballguy
Who would they be playing at ILB? I know they have Randal Godfrey for another year, and I guess Matt Wilhelm would step in? I guess maybe they'd draft a guy? It just seems like they are pretty light at that spot to be giving up a guy like Donnie Edwards.
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Threre's chat that Edwards could be cut after June 1st. Nothing is concrete, though.
 
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radiohead417

Footballguy
Right, there's no guarantee that it happens, but PFT says they're talking trade for him. Is Wilhelm the guy if they get rid of him?

 
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Jene Bramel

Footballguy
For now, I'd chalk this up to PFT being PFT. They've had some rumors pan out. Many, many more have not. Unfortunately, since they hit it big with the Chad Johnson deal, they've been getting more and more run in some mainstream fantasy outlets like Rotoworld and others.

This one just doesn't pass the mustard for me. If there's a Charger fan that feels this one has legs I'd surely like to know. Edwards has been a mainstay for me for years in many leagues.

Why cut Donnie Edwards? Guy played through a knee injury most of the second half of the season and played well. Not to Donnie standards but more than well enough to get the job done. I don't remember the Bolts being in cap purgatory (they shelled out some bucks for McCree). I certainly don't remember the top ranked rush defense being the reason the Chargers missed the playoffs.

Matt Wilhelm is talented and will take over an inside backer job soon. Randall Godfrey is a nice player but has just as much age on him as Edwards. Even if the Chargers take an ILB prospect in the early rounds of the draft, I don't see it as writing on the wall for Donnie.

 

DOVCommish

Footballguy
I've had Donnie on my team the last 2 years and I really noticed a drop off in '05 whether it was injury, age, whatever, he wasn't the same. Granted, he had a monster effort at the end of the season but I felt something was "off."

I'd be surprised if they flat out cut him and I don't know what the cap ramifications are if they trade him, but I'll say that this would be the last time they would be able to get something of value for him. If he stays in SD and has an off year they will have had the off year and nothing to show for it. If they move him, at least get a pick and some cap relief.

All that being said, I am more apt to look at his FF value than his "real" value so I'm sure there are other factors (captain of the defense, veteran presence) that could be a reason to keep him. I wouldn't be shocked either way, but I'd be more understanding of a move.

 

Jene Bramel

Footballguy
I've had Donnie on my team the last 2 years and I really noticed a drop off in '05 whether it was injury, age, whatever, he wasn't the same. Granted, he had a monster effort at the end of the season but I felt something was "off."
I'm pretty firmly in the camp that it was a nagging knee injury that occurred early last season that hampered his 05 numbers.It really was minimized initially, then three weeks later this little blurb popped up in the San Diego newspaper in November.

No surgery

Linebacker Donnie Edwards said yesterday he will put off arthroscopic surgery on his left knee until after the season.

"I don't have any problems with it right now," said Edwards, who had planned to have the procedure on his torn meniscus during this bye week and return to practice next week. "Hopefully I can make it through the end of the season. There is no swelling right now. It's not bothering me too much. It's feeling good, keep it going."
Despite what Edwards says a torn meniscus is going to affect your leverage and agility. He did have surgery in January.I'd downgrade Edwards a little. Lower leg injuries in guys over 30 usually signify the beginning of the end. And Edwards' sack numbers may decline with the emergence of Shawne Merriman (although they weren't with Steve Foley...). But I certainly wouldn't sell him cheap without more than a PFT rumor in hand.

 
FWIW KFFL is reporting they are shopping Edwards for a 2nd round pick. Couldn't imagine any team taking them up on that, but who knows maybe some team thinks they are a Donnie Edwards away from the SuperBowl.

 

Aaron Rudnicki

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FWIW, I like Stephen Cooper more than Matt Wilhelm and think he'd be the guy to get if something like this were to happen.

 

Maurile Tremblay

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There's no way that the Chargers would cut Edwards, but several sources (including John Clayton) have indicated that they're trying to trade him. If they can get a second-round pick for him, I'm all for it.

Wilhelm isn't signed, and may not be back next year. (Last I heard, the Browns were considering making him an offer.)

Cooper has been very impressive when he's had a chance to play. He'd probably be the guy to replace Edwards, depending on what happens in the draft.

The Chargers just brought Chad Greenway in for a workout, and he'd make sense with the 19th pick.

 

Jene Bramel

Footballguy
Forgot about Cooper. :bag:

Wilhelm was tendered as a RFA. Browns were interested but have backed off for now. They have until April 20 to make an offer. He'll cost a fourth rounder to sign.

Cooper was tendered as well and at a much higher level. He would have cost a first rounder to sign away from San Diego. Chargers signed him to one year deal last month.

Both of these guys probably have a future in San Diego. Cooper looks like a better bet based on the tender numbers this spring. He's been impressive and plays bigger than his weight. Don't count Wilhelm out altogether though.

 

Weiner Dog

Footballguy
Chargers | Smith confirms Edwards on the trading block

Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:46:54 -0700

Kevin Acee, of the San Diego Union-Tribune, reports San Diego Chargers general manager A.J. Smith confirmed LB Donnie Edwards is available in trade, except for the team's AFC West opponents. Smith would not confirm what might pry Edwards away, but it is a good bet a first-day draft pick would accomplish it. At the very minimum, his being shopped appears to be confirmation Edwards will not be getting the long-term contract he desires in San Diego and will be let go after this season.

 

Maurile Tremblay

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AJ Smith certainly isn't afraid to make bold decisions. I can't help but think this is a bad idea though.
Edwards has one year left on his contract, and he's a bit of a malcontent. (He complained about his contract publicly every chance he got last year.) If the Chargers can get a first-day pick for him, I think it would be a fantastic move. Otherwise, he's gone after the 2006 season anyway.
 

Maurile Tremblay

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Similar situation with Pro Bowler ( :rolleyes: ) Hanik Milligan, by the way. He just hired Rosenhaus as his agent. He's got one year left on his contract, and may be planning to hold out this year. The Chargers are shopping him and would probably take anything they could get for him.

 

Maurile Tremblay

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And in further Charger IDP news:

Shaun Phillips Arrested

9:32 a.m. April 14, 2006

SAN DIEGO – A defensive lineman for the San Diego Chargers was arrested early Friday morning after a fight with a police officer, a police spokesman said.

Shaun Jamall Phillips was booked into Central Jail on suspicion of obstruction and resisting arrest, said police Detective Gary Hassen. Few details were immediately available.

The incident took place about 2 a.m. on Fifth Avenue near G Street, across from Horton Plaza. A police officer sent to check a report of a disturbance found Phillips outside, Hassen said.

The officer tried to talk to Phillips “and the fight was on,” Hassen said. Phillips eventually was subdued and taken into custody.

Phillips, 24, is listed as a third-year defensive end with the Chargers out of Purdue University. He is 6 feet 3 inches tall and weighs 262 pounds.

 

Aaron Rudnicki

Keep Walking™
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AJ Smith certainly isn't afraid to make bold decisions. I can't help but think this is a bad idea though.
Edwards has one year left on his contract, and he's a bit of a malcontent. (He complained about his contract publicly every chance he got last year.) If the Chargers can get a first-day pick for him, I think it would be a fantastic move. Otherwise, he's gone after the 2006 season anyway.
I don't think anyone out there will give up a 1st day pick for a 33 year old LB who makes decent money. I didn't realize he was a malcontent though. Guess that changes things a bit if he's being disruptive. I still think they'd be much worse off in 2006 without him than they would be with him. It's not like they are going to be able to do much with the money they'd save from trading him now anyway.
 

Weiner Dog

Footballguy
An officer patrolling San Diego's Gaslamp neighborhood saw Phillips grab an unidentified woman by the hair and pull hard enough to make her head tilt back, police said. The officer saw the woman slap Phillips and push him as he tried to grab her again.
Maybe Phillips caught her dancing with Dhani Jones in the street. :bye:
 

Sigmund Bloom

Footballguy
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Uggh. More details here and it gets worse.
An officer patrolling San Diego's Gaslamp neighborhood saw Phillips grab an unidentified woman by the hair and pull hard enough to make her head tilt back, police said. The officer saw the woman slap Phillips and push him as he tried to grab her again.
Maybe their decision to let DeQuincy Scott go will come back to haunt them. He's a very solid pass rush specialist, and I would think that their confidence in Philips was part of what allowed them to let him go.
 

Bizkiteer

Footballguy
Word out of SD last year was that S. Phillips was inline to take over for Godfrey within a year. Now this? Hmm...looks as though ILB will be an interesting spot for them...

I'm sure they will draft a LB with one of their top picks.

 

BoltBacker

Footballguy
I'm sure they will draft a LB with one of their top picks.
That's why the move to trade Edwards doesn't make any sense to me.The draft is supposed to be very deep in LB this year and the smart play imo would have been to draft Edwards replacement this year, let him play special teams and fill in for injuries. Since the draft is deep and both Edwards and Godfrey have one foot out the door maybe draft two ILB's.

Let Edwards test the market next summer(he'll be 34 at that point and very few teams will be willing to offer him mad cash so he may be willing to come back at a reduced rate if he can't find any takers on the market). If Edwards finds a taker, more power to him and start one of the two ILB's they drafted in '06 alongside either Cooper/Wilhelm in '07.

Of course it's also going to be a lot harder to burn two draft picks on ILB now that they've more or less missed out on improving their OL/CB in FA. There weren't great OT's on the market but there were certainly guys that would have given the team depth behind a hobbled/ancient Oben. There's even less of an excuse to come out of FA with no CB help. Few CB's signed big $ deals and there were plenty of guys that would have been an improvement on what they currently have. Add to that the SD scouts haven't been doing to well on scouting CB's and it makes you wonder what they were thinking this offseason.

 

Donnybrook

Footballguy
AJ Smith certainly isn't afraid to make bold decisions. I can't help but think this is a bad idea though.
Edwards has one year left on his contract, and he's a bit of a malcontent. (He complained about his contract publicly every chance he got last year.) If the Chargers can get a first-day pick for him, I think it would be a fantastic move. Otherwise, he's gone after the 2006 season anyway.
Per KFFL
Chargers | Edwards believes he's being judged on his personality

Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:50:54 -0700

Tim Sullivan, of the San Diego Union-Tribune, reports San Diego Chargers LB Donnie Edwards believes he is on the trading block because of his personality and not because of his performance. He's wondering if his close ties with head coach Marty Schottenheimer and agent Tom Condon have caused general manager A.J. Smith to shop him around. Edwards said, "Am I the pawn in the rift between Marty and A.J.? I'm trying to look for answers and the only thing I can see is Marty Schottenheimer and Tom Condon." He added, "Maybe (Smith) is trying to weed out the guys he didn't bring in. But if you look at the numbers, it doesn't make sense."
 

Sigmund Bloom

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I'm sure they will draft a LB with one of their top picks.
The draft is supposed to be very deep in LB this year
I seriously doubt the draft is deep in quality ILBs. It is OLBs that are deep and of prime quality.
This is accurate. After Hodge and Jackson there are no other blue chip ILB types, although guys like Hawk and Ryans could probably be very good inside.
 

BoltBacker

Footballguy
I'm sure they will draft a LB with one of their top picks.
The draft is supposed to be very deep in LB this year
I seriously doubt the draft is deep in quality ILBs. It is OLBs that are deep and of prime quality.
Ah, thanks for the correction.I don't follow college football at all to be honest and just go by what I hear from the national talking heads on the subject. I was under the impression both ILB's and OLB's were deep.

Still think it's a bad idea to get rid of Edwards though, unless he's unwilling to play under his current deal.

 

BoltBacker

Footballguy
:shock:

link:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/charg...18chargers.html

A study of his tackles last season showed that 67 (44 percent) were made after an opponent had gained three yards or less while 37 (24 percent) were made after an opponent had gained six or more yards.
It would be interesting to find out how those percentages compare to other ILB's last season. Regardless, the article also states "a season in which he played the final 10 games with a torn meniscus (knee) that required offseason surgery". It's hard for me to fault a guy for putting up stats that are under par if he's playing through an injury in the first place. Edwards has missed ONE game his entire career.I realize in the article it states "among linebackers, Edwards ranks 61st in sacks and 36th in tackles for loss over the past seven seasons" but that also penalizes him for not being used much as a blitzer. I've always felt he was strongest in coverage.

Maybe I'm just being a myopic Edwards fan but if anyone is trying to call into question Edwards quality of play over the past seven years I'm going to call BS.

 

Weiner Dog

Footballguy
:shock:

link:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/charg...18chargers.html

A study of his tackles last season showed that 67 (44 percent) were made after an opponent had gained three yards or less while 37 (24 percent) were made after an opponent had gained six or more yards.
It would be interesting to find out how those percentages compare to other ILB's last season. Regardless, the article also states "a season in which he played the final 10 games with a torn meniscus (knee) that required offseason surgery". It's hard for me to fault a guy for putting up stats that are under par if he's playing through an injury in the first place. Edwards has missed ONE game his entire career.I realize in the article it states "among linebackers, Edwards ranks 61st in sacks and 36th in tackles for loss over the past seven seasons" but that also penalizes him for not being used much as a blitzer. I've always felt he was strongest in coverage.

Maybe I'm just being a myopic Edwards fan but if anyone is trying to call into question Edwards quality of play over the past seven years I'm going to call BS.
Yeah, I'd also like to know what percentages other top-shelf LB's have in regards to yardage allowed per carry. The article made the impression that a 24% clip of 6+ yards is terrible, but I know of no numbers to substantiate this impression.With 1/2 of the NFL teams averaging 4.0 yards or more per carry in '05, one would have to assume at least 24% of the carries went for more than six yards, right??

 

Jene Bramel

Footballguy
:shock:

link:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/charg...18chargers.html

A study of his tackles last season showed that 67 (44 percent) were made after an opponent had gained three yards or less while 37 (24 percent) were made after an opponent had gained six or more yards.
:rolleyes: Give me a break.

I don't have the tape to do a study of every inside linebacker in the business but my eyes and my head tell me that knocking Edwards for making tackles is ridiculous. What does this stat imply? That Edwards was frequently out of position and had to run down plays from behind? :bs: That Edwards struggled to get off blocks last season? :bs:

I look at this stat and see 50% more tackles at the line of scrimmage than far beyond. I look at Donnie's double digit passes defensed over the past two seasons and coverage responsibility and understand that he makes plays on pass catchers in the intermediate zone. Many of those tackles come after five yards. Randall Godfrey's tackle stats were down last year - maybe he was covering for his teammate. You can spin the tackle numbers any way you like.

Fact is Donnie Edwards had numbers near his career highs in nearly every meaningful statistic last season on an injured knee. Knock him for having a whiny mouth. Knock him for getting a little older. But to knock him for making tackles is silly.

:rant: over.

Edwards went silly in San Diego after KC dumped him. Hopefully his owners (myself included) get the same attitude from him this season.

(BTW, in case it reads that way unintentionally, none of this is directed at Weiner Dog ... :P ... )

 

Maurile Tremblay

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I don't have the tape to do a study of every inside linebacker in the business but my eyes and my head tell me that knocking Edwards for making tackles is ridiculous. What does this stat imply?
I agree with Edwards that he's been underappreciated for years. But comparing himself to Ray Lewis and Zach Thomas for salary purposes based on total number of tackles is misleading.Edwards makes a lot of tackles because teams run at him a lot. Teams run at him a lot because they can move the ball by doing so. Edwards' best statistical game last year was in week 16 against the Chiefs when he had 16 tackles. Sixteen tackles is good, right? But in fact it was a poor game for Edwards. Every time the Chiefs needed to convert a third down, they ran at Edwards. And Edwards made the tackle . . . after the first down marker. He gave up 9 first downs on those 16 tackles.

That's not to say that making lots of tackles is a bad thing. But despite his total number of tackles, Edwards is certainly no Ray Lewis or Zach Thomas as a run-stuffer. He is a bit undersized for an inside linebacker, and he cannot defeat blocks without giving up a lot of ground. He is very good in pass coverage and is an excellent linebacker overall. I'm not knocking him as a player. I'm just knocking the idea that Edwards should make as much as Ray Lewis because he has a similar number of tackles. That's not an appropriate comparison since Ray Lewis doesn't make half his tackles while getting dragged along for a ride beyond the first down marker.

 
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BoltBacker

Footballguy
MT, I think that's a fair criticism but imo he's still a better LB than Zack Thomas overall. Sure he may not compare favorably to Lewis in the same way very few S compare favorably to Lott and few DL compare favorably to Reggie White.

Ray Lewis

2005 5,500,000

2006 5,500,000

Zack Thomas

2005 3,500,000

2006 4,950,000

Donnie Edwards

2005 3,000,000

2006 3,550,000

If you are going to compare him to either of those two players he's truly a bargain under his current contract. That's turning a blind eye to the fact Zack Thomas has only played in all 16 games ONCE in the past six season, Ray Lewis only ONCE in the last four seasons, and Edwards has played in all sixteen games for the last SEVEN seasons straight.

CORRECTION: I previously had stated he had only missed one game in his career but Edwards has actually missed two games in his career... both while on the Chiefs.

 

Aaron Rudnicki

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Ray Lewis makes a lot of money and he still feels that he is underpaid.

I think Edwards is still a very good player, but probably not an ideal ILB, especially in a 3-4 where he doesn't have 2 big bodies playing in front of him to keep blockers off him. His range and coverage skills, however, are what makes him special.

When did he sign his current contract? It's a little surprising to me that the salary for the last 2 years were that low given all the backloaded contracts in the league these days. He does seem a bit underpaid to me, but the Chargers would probably be smart to make him play out his last year and start preparing for him to be gone in 2007. I think trading him now would significantly weaken the strength of the defense, and I also don't think they could get fair value for him in a trade. Unless they are just treating Rivers' first year as a rebuilding year, I can't imagine getting rid of a vet like that would go over real well in the locker room.

 

Maurile Tremblay

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I think trading him now would significantly weaken the strength of the defense, and I also don't think they could get fair value for him in a trade.
I certainly wouldn't want to trade him based on his on-field performance. He's a very good player and adds a lot to the defense. The only reasons I'd trade him are (1) he'll be gone after this season anyway and it's better to get something for him rather than nothing; and (2) to quote from the article linked to above, "And teammates privately lament his frequent gripes about being underappreciated."
 

Maurile Tremblay

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Some goofy commentary from ProFootball365:

Edwards could be an option at LB for Cards

With the impending June 1 cuts nearly upon us, one big name that is likely to be on the market is San Diego Chargers veteran All-Pro linebacker Donnie Edwards. The Chargers loss should become the Arizona Cardinals ' big coup.

Since being drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs in the fourth round of the 1996 NFL Draft, all Edwards has done is produced, produced and produced some more. He has played hard, giving 100 percent every single time he's stepped on the field. And in his 10 seasons in the league, amazingly he has only missed two games. That's it. Count 'em. One, two. That's amazing for a player who hits as hard as he does, and is seemingly in on every tackle. Even more incredible about it, though, is the last time he missed a game: 1998. For those of you counting at home, that's seven seasons ago. Edwards has played injured, and remarkably, still at an amazing clip. This past season was one of his finest yet.

Check out these eye popping numbers. 101, 122, 122, 132, 129, 128, 161, 150, 152. If you're wondering, those are the number of tackles he has racked up in the past nine seasons. Every year, the tremendous linebacker seems to get stronger and better. His last three seasons are his three highest tackle outputs.

Tackling isn't the only thing he does exceptionally well. He has intercepted five passes in three different seasons, which is remarkable for a linebacker. Edwards also has a knack for forcing fumbles, and has scored four touchdowns.

Aside from all the tools--the perfect tackling technique, the speed, the non-stop motor, the consummate team player, and great attitude--the man behind the facemask and off the gridiron is also extremely admirable.

He has set up numerous charities in his native San Diego, giving copious hours of his time to these charities. He treats everyone with the utmost respect, and in turn has a rabid loyal fan base.

He has all the football skills and the character that make him an ideal fit for a plethora of teams. If and when he is released, he will have a number of suitors wishing to add the "perfect" linebacker to their team. While he doesn't get the notoriety of Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacher, he is arguably as good as both.

The Cardinals would be prudent to add the man of upstanding character and tremendous tackling to their team. After all, they are lacking a playmaker at linebacker to play alongside Karlos Dansby. The addition of Edwards would surely improve a suspect defense. If the defense can be slightly above average to go with the great offense, the Cardinals could be rocking and rolling straight to the playoffs.
My comments . . .Edwards will not be released, as AJ Smith has stated pretty clearly. Why would he be? He's got a year left on his contract at a very reasonable price, and he's still a good player.

The Chargers are looking to trade Edwards. Not cut him.

(Also, what does June 1 have to do with anything? The reason teams wait until June 1 to cut certain players is so that the cap hit associated with the release can be spread over two years. But the Chargers have tons of cap room this year, and cutting Edwards would have a rather minimal cap impact anyway.)

 

Chaos Commish

Footballguy
Some goofy commentary from ProFootball365:
That site is popping up in all my searches. I've learned to ignore them. They do not pay sportswriters. Their contributors are pretty bad, mostly just fans playing sportswriter on the internet with no real contacts. They get fans/wannabe writers to submit content on the hope they (the writer's) can build an impressive enough portfolio to someday be real sportswriters. The post draft commentary has been beyond lame, unfortunately. Back to our regularly scheduled Charger LBs talk.

 

BoltBacker

Footballguy
This on the blogger;

"Frustrated LB D.Edwards Seeking Trade

Adam Schein, FOXSports.com - [Full Article]

LB Donnie Edwards made it clear Thursday that while in theory he would like to stay in San Diego, he is frustrated. And it is way beyond Edwards being upset that the team let QB Drew Brees go. Edwards was hurt he found out he was on the trading block from other sources. He wanted to hear it directly from GM AJ Smith. Edwards also says they aren't even in the same ballpark on a contract extension. Smith foolishly still has the 100-tackle per season linebacker on the block. Edwards is the heart and sole of the Chargers' defense. Asked if he wants permission to seek a trade, he answered in one word: Yes."

This is the first I've heard he wanted out of town. This could end up a mess. Dobbins may need to play earlier than SD had hoped.

 

msommer

Footballguy
This on the blogger;

"Frustrated LB D.Edwards Seeking Trade

Adam Schein, FOXSports.com - [Full Article]

LB Donnie Edwards made it clear Thursday that while in theory he would like to stay in San Diego, he is frustrated. And it is way beyond Edwards being upset that the team let QB Drew Brees go. Edwards was hurt he found out he was on the trading block from other sources. He wanted to hear it directly from GM AJ Smith. Edwards also says they aren't even in the same ballpark on a contract extension. Smith foolishly still has the 100-tackle per season linebacker on the block. Edwards is the heart and sole of the Chargers' defense. Asked if he wants permission to seek a trade, he answered in one word: Yes."

This is the first I've heard he wanted out of town. This could end up a mess. Dobbins may need to play earlier than SD had hoped.
Heart and sole?Is it the fish or the bottom of the shoe?

In either case - what does it mean :rant:

 

Maurile Tremblay

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That FOXSports.com article was by Adam Schein, who interviewed Donnie for The Afternoon Blitz. Here's the actual interview:

The Afternoon Blitz (TAB):

Is Donnie Edwards going to be suiting up for the Chargers in '06 cuz we gotta have you on that lineup?

Donnie:

I wanna know too. you could let me know. it's not up to me, I'm just getting ready for this season.

TAB:

What's your reaction to A.J. Smith saying you're still on the trading block

Donnie:

I can't worry about that. I'm just getting ready for the 2006 season and I can't worry about things I can't control.

TAB:

We think it's crazy that A.J. is talking trade because we think you're a great player and you bring alot to the Charger defense. Is there more to the story that we don't know?

Donnie:

Great point. I don't know. Inquiring minds want to know. I can't figure it out.

TAB:

Have they approched you about a contract extension?

Donnie:

We were trying to extend my contract for the past three years but there's been no progress.

TAB:

Does this have anything to do with the fact that you're represented by Tom Condon?

Donnie:

Good point but I don't know. I could only speculate. No one has said anything and neither I nor my agent have talked to AJ recently. Bad communication between me, my agent, and AJ Smith. But it's buisness.

TAB:

When you hear there's talk about moving to the LA area what comes to mind?

Donnie:

LA is not the market for the chargers. We trained down there for a couple years but there was nothing but Raider fans at our practice heckling us. I was born and raised a Charger fan and will always be a Charger fan.

TAB:

Do you get the feeling that tomorrow's meeting will be productive?

Donnie:

The Mayor said there are no funds, so I don't think that any progress will be made. I grew up in Chula Vista and there's been talk of Chula Vista and Oceanside. We need to find a way to get a stadium in downtown San Diego because it's a perfect city for a stadium next to the gaslamp quarter. It's walking distance from everywhere.

TAB:

There have been times when the Chargers disrespected you. Would you be intrigued from other teams that are interested?

Donnie:

No comment. I'm under contract with the Chargers.

TAB:

Has AJ given you permission to seek a trade?

Donnie:

No.

TAB:

Would you like permission?

Donnie:

Yes.

TAB:

Where?

Donnie:

I cant speculate into that until I get permission.

TAB:

That's fair. Is there a preference for the 3-4?

Donnie:

I'll play anywhere. I played inside in the 4-3 and outside. I can play anywhere.

TAB:

How do you do it being so small?

Donnie:

The key is to make a play. I'm not flashy. I pride myself on technique tackling. Not big hits. I'm very consistant. It's about leverage and speed.

TAB:

Is there a time-frame for when you want to know where you have to be?

Donnie:

Today. Tell me I'm going to be here or trade me. I need to know

TAB:

What kinda growing pains will Philip Rivers go through?

Donnie:

I'm upset that Drew is gone. He was such a hard worker and a leader. Drew is in his prime and it was stunning when he was gone. Philip Rivers is really talented. He just needs experience. The whole team believes in him.

TAB:

It was a mistake when they let Drew go... It will be a colossal mistake if they decide to let Donnie Edwards go.

Donnie:

No matter who I'm playing with I'll have an excelent season. Just you wait.

 
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Jene Bramel

Footballguy
Donnie:

No matter who I'm playing with I'll have an excelent season. Just you wait.
This drives home an observation I made a few weeks ago.Donnie was :football: :football: :football: when the Chiefs essentially cut him loose some years ago.

Unless he's traded into a horrible situation, I think it's likely that Edwards has a huge statistical season.

 

Maurile Tremblay

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Bolts' Edwards content to play role of victim

UNION-TRIBUNE

By Jim Trotter

June 4, 2006

Donnie Edwards is a bright man who wants people to believe he's ignorant.

Since being placed on the trading block in early April, he repeatedly has shrugged his shoulders when asked about the Chargers' desire to deal him. He even claimed to be hurt and confused by the situation during a recent radio interview.

Hurt, we can give him. Potential rejection is never easy, whether it's a date for the prom, an offer on a new house or a chance to finish your playing career with the team you grew up idolizing.

But confused? No way. Edwards has a degree in political science and is working toward a master's in education. If he can't make out what's going on, UCLA should demand he return his diploma and the NCAA should investigate how he received one in the first place.

Edwards is on the trading block because he has lost the respect of some teammates and many in the front office with his constant complaints about being underpaid and underappreciated. He's available to other clubs because he's in the final year of a five-year, $18.75 million contract and the Chargers have no intention of meeting his asking price next offseason, when he'll be a 34-year-old free agent.

That any of this would come as a surprise to Edwards is, well, surprising. He's entering his 11th season, so he knows how the game works. If a player is no longer in a team's plans, the team generally seeks to get something for the player now rather than nothing for him later. Edwards observed this several years ago with Junior Seau, who remains a much more decorated and infinitely more beloved player than Edwards.

Of course, it didn't have to come to this. Edwards easily could have played out the contract he signed after leaving Kansas City, then looked to get a better deal as a free agent. Instead, he began coming to the team for more money after only two seasons, first in 2004, then in 2005 and, finally, this offseason. Each time he was rebuffed his grousing grew louder. The only thing that got a bigger rise out of him was his failure to earn a starting spot in the Pro Bowl.

Look, let's be clear on this: Edwards hasn't deserved a Pro Bowl berth since he arrived in San Diego in 2002, based on the time of the voting and the performance of the players. He made his only appearance in 2005 after two other linebackers withdrew because of injuries, but that spot should have gone to teammate Steve Foley, who deserved it then and still does now.

Edwards supporters will point to how he has recorded 100-plus tackles in each of his four seasons. But a closer look, done by Union-Tribune Chargers beat writer Kevin Acee, reveals that 56 percent of his tackles came 4 or more yards past the line of scrimmage last season. And 24 percent of those occurred after gains of 6 or more yards.

Again, this is not to bash Edwards, but he has to accept responsibility for his role in the situation. He can't go around presenting himself as a great player when opposing coaches and scouts rate him as only the third-best linebacker on his team, behind Shawne Merriman and Foley.

He can't keep nodding and smiling when unknowing outsiders call him a locker-room leader and the heart and soul of the defense, because he's neither. He has been voted team Defensive Player of the Year only once since coming to town, and that was during a 4-12 season in which someone had to receive it.

I tried reaching Edwards for comment, but he didn't return my calls. Can't say that it came as a surprise. He has been painfully thin-skinned of late, telling one reporter he was done speaking to him after the reporter wrote an article that was balanced (i.e., not flattering) about Edwards' play on the field and standing in the locker room.

That's not to say he's been totally silent. During his recent radio interview, he said, among other things, that he's upset he had to hear about being on the trading block from someone outside the organization, and he wishes the team would allow his agent to talk trade with other clubs.

Asked about both statements, General Manager A.J. Smith said Edwards' agent was notified the moment Edwards was placed on the trading block, just as Seau's agent was notified the moment he was made available to other teams. Smith also said Edwards' agent, Tom Condon, is free to talk with any team, although the Chargers must agree to the compensation.

“It has become crystal clear to me that Donnie is very unhappy with his contract and has been for a few years,” Smith said. “We have always appreciated Donnie Edwards' playing ability, and we believe he is well-compensated; however, because of his unhappiness we will do everything possible to find him a new team – a team that will appreciate him the way he would like and will compensate him with an amount that will make him very happy and content.”

 
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56 percent of his tackles came 4 or more yards past the line of scrimmage last season.

So, 44 percent came 3 yards or less past the line of scrimmage.

Is that bad??

 

Maurile Tremblay

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56 percent of his tackles came 4 or more yards past the line of scrimmage last season.

So, 44 percent came 3 yards or less past the line of scrimmage.

Is that bad??
I don't know how it compares to other LBs, stat-wise. It's probably worse than average or it wouldn't be mentioned, but I don't know.The problem that's reflected by the stat, however, is that Edwards often makes contact near the line of scrimmage but is then dragged several yards downfield before making the tackle.

I'd much rather have him make the tackle than not make the tackle, and he does make a lot of tackles. But I'd also rather have him make the tackle at the point of contact rather than giving up a few extra yards per play. But no LB is perfect. Donnie Edwards is still a heck of a player. (Just maybe not as good as he thinks he is.)

I'm also not sure that I agree with Jim Trotter in saying that Steve Foley is better than Edwards. I think it's close. Merriman is definitely the top LB on the team. Foley and Edwards are both solid; I'd probably grade them out about the same. (They both played hurt last year.) Edwards is more versatile. I think he could play any of the four LB positions in the 3-4. Foley is strictly an OLB, but can play over the tight end or on the weak side effectively, so he's also versatile.

Last year the Chargers lined Merriman up on the left side most of the time. Sometimes they moved him to the right side and put him and Foley next to each other. I don't have the exact numbers, but just based on my overall impression, I'd say that Merriman lined up on the left side about 80% of the time, but got about 50% of his sacks from each side.

The team is very high on Shaun Phillips and Stephen Cooper as well, and AJ thinks he got a steal in Tim Dobbins. Wilhelm is a solid backup who'd probably start for many teams. Carlos Polk is an outstanding special teams player. Marques Harris has some potential.

The position is really deep, so I do think they'll trade Edwards (and start Cooper) if they get a reasonable offer. Otherwise, there aren't enough roster spots for everybody, and they'll have to cut Polk or Harris, which would be a shame.

(AJ needs to start extending some contracts, too. It's Godfrey's last year. It's Edwards' last year if he stays. I believe that Cooper, Phillips, Wilhelm, Foley, and Polk are all in the final years of their contracts. So the only guys signed beyond this year are Merriman and Dobbins. Although, technically, Dobbins isn't signed right now at all.)

 
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Keg

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its not hard to make stats say what you want them too...with that said I dont know what or how those stats mirror other LBs BUT...what if we found out that a large % of those 4+yrd tackles were on 1st down but on 3rd and shorts he had a large % of stops....just trying to say that what that writer did was use stats to make his point but he didnt truly paint the entire picture

 

Maurile Tremblay

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BUT...what if we found out that a large % of those 4+yrd tackles were on 1st down but on 3rd and shorts he had a large % of stops....
That wasn't the case, though. Many of his tackles resulted in first downs. Against the Chiefs last year on Christmas, for example, Edwards had 16 tackles, which sounds impressive. But those 16 plays resulted in over 100 yards and nine first downs. On seemingly every third down play, they ran at Donnie and got the first.I understand what you're saying, though. The stats themselves don't tell the whole story. About that, you are certainly correct.

 
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Jene Bramel

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I made this point in another post a couple of months ago when the SD media first started slamming Edwards.

I'd guess that the percentage of downfield tackles that Edwards makes is higher than the average linebacker. Part of it is because of MT's observation that Edwards gets dragged now and then by a running back. But Edwards makes more coverage plays than nearly every other linebacker in the league - 9 INT and 34 PD in the past three seasons. I think that has just as much to do with that throwaway stat than anything else.

And while I've not watched nearly as many Charger games as MT or CC, I'm pretty comfortable saying that replacing Edwards with Cooper or Dobbins is a significant step back this season. I definitely agree with MT, though, Cooper needs to be extended. He probably will be, he received an awful strong tender in RFA this year (first round compensation level).

 

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