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So Tedy Bruschi is retiring (1 Viewer)

Andy Herron

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That was the first thought that came to mind. I think I'm kind of on the fence with this one.

May have to ponder for awhile.

 
I was surprised that he only made 1 Pro Bowl and never was an ALL Pro...there's a reason the Pats won 3 SB and almost a 4th, and there's a reason they wanted him to keep playing even after the heart problems he went thru. I know he will not go to the HoF but I have a very deep level of respect for Teddy Bruschi and he may just emobdy the entire NE defense during that run.

BTW: What players from the NE defense are going to get in the HoF?

 
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Hall of Fame - No.

I had been wondering about him retiring. Watched the replay again last night of the CIN - NE game and how easily Ochocinco pushed him away and ran off. Looked like he's lost two steps. Clearly it was time. Excellent career though and great comeback story.

J

 
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Not to pile on, but he's not even a guy I would consider as "The Best Not In the Hall of Fame"...he was a good cog in that wheel, nothing more.

 
Debatable the heart and soul of a dynasty...but he's not a Hall-of-Famer. He had a few years prior to the stroke where he was as effective as any LB in the game but he did not sustain that level long enough to be considered one of the game's elite.

He's right behind #12 as far as my all time favorite Patriots. If the Hall-of-Fame was based on getting the most out of your talent he'd be in on the first ballot. His play against Edge and Indy in the playoffs where he ripped the ball from him to cause a turnover is one of my all time favorite plays and is a perfect snapshot for his career. His int TD against Miami which lead to the fans throwing snow up in the air is another classic moment from this Patriot run. He was a leader on and off the field and my guess is he ranks in the top five of any Patriot fan when it comes to their favorite players.

 
Jason Wood said:
Not to pile on, but he's not even a guy I would consider as "The Best Not In the Hall of Fame"...he was a good cog in that wheel, nothing more.
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Sorry but that's selling him way short. He was much more than a cog in the wheel. He was one of their leaders and his play on the field was excellent. He's definetly not a Hall-of-Famer but to think he was not an irreplacable part of a dynasty is simply not fair to his legacy.
 
Boston said:
Jason Wood said:
Not to pile on, but he's not even a guy I would consider as "The Best Not In the Hall of Fame"...he was a good cog in that wheel, nothing more.
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Sorry but that's selling him way short. He was much more than a cog in the wheel. He was one of their leaders and his play on the field was excellent. He's definetly not a Hall-of-Famer but to think he was not an irreplacable part of a dynasty is simply not fair to his legacy.
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I think you'll remember him that way because of what the team accomplished. But the league has been littered with "Tedy Bruschis" over the years who won't be remembered as fondly because their teams achieved but a fraction of what the Patriots have.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
I was surprised that he only made 1 Pro Bowl and never was an ALL Pro...there's a reason the Pats won 3 SB and almost a 4th, and there's a reason they wanted him to keep playing even after the heart problems he went thru. I know he will not go to the HoF but I have a very deep level of respect for Teddy Bruschi and he may just emobdy the entire NE defense during that run.

BTW: What players from the NE defense are going to get in the HoF?
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I doubt there will be any. Maybe Seymour has a shot, but he needs probably another 3 years of elite play and I think he's peaked already.I think the only Patriots who are HOF worthy are Belichick and Brady. Unless you want to count Seau and Moss, but I don't really think of them as Patriots when it comes to career achievement.

 
Jason Wood said:
Boston said:
Jason Wood said:
Not to pile on, but he's not even a guy I would consider as "The Best Not In the Hall of Fame"...he was a good cog in that wheel, nothing more.
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Sorry but that's selling him way short. He was much more than a cog in the wheel. He was one of their leaders and his play on the field was excellent. He's definetly not a Hall-of-Famer but to think he was not an irreplacable part of a dynasty is simply not fair to his legacy.
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I think you'll remember him that way because of what the team accomplished. But the league has been littered with "Tedy Bruschis" over the years who won't be remembered as fondly because their teams achieved but a fraction of what the Patriots have.
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:lmao: Was Bruschi better than a guy like Chris Spielman? Or did he just play on a better team?
 
Joe Bryant said:
Hall of Fame - No. I had been wondering about him retiring. Watched the replay again last night of the CIN - NE game and how easily Ochocinco pushed him away and ran off. Looked like he's lost two steps. Clearly it was time. Excellent career though and great comeback story.J
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I hear ya Joe. Probably a bad post, but much like what Ministry of Pain mentioned, he really embodied that Patriots defense through the years of their Super Bowl runs and outside of Brady (or maybe Belichick) was the face of that franchise. You would think somebody from that defense would make it.Samuel? Vrabel? Seymour? Harrison? Of course, he spent most of his years in San Diego.
 
Jason Wood said:
Boston said:
Jason Wood said:
Not to pile on, but he's not even a guy I would consider as "The Best Not In the Hall of Fame"...he was a good cog in that wheel, nothing more.
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Sorry but that's selling him way short. He was much more than a cog in the wheel. He was one of their leaders and his play on the field was excellent. He's definetly not a Hall-of-Famer but to think he was not an irreplacable part of a dynasty is simply not fair to his legacy.
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I think you'll remember him that way because of what the team accomplished. But the league has been littered with "Tedy Bruschis" over the years who won't be remembered as fondly because their teams achieved but a fraction of what the Patriots have.
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No, I'll remember him that way for his play and his leadership. When you're one of the leaders on and off the field for a team that won three titles during your prime you're not just another player. The Pats D was not littered with Hall-of-Famers like the Steel Curtain. This was a group that may have three Hall-of-Famers in Seymour, Harrison and Law (and none are definites). During their their title years Bruschi played as big a role as any defender on that team and to say the league is "littered" with this type of player is just plain wrong.
 
travdogg said:
Jason Wood said:
Boston said:
Jason Wood said:
Not to pile on, but he's not even a guy I would consider as "The Best Not In the Hall of Fame"...he was a good cog in that wheel, nothing more.
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Sorry but that's selling him way short. He was much more than a cog in the wheel. He was one of their leaders and his play on the field was excellent. He's definetly not a Hall-of-Famer but to think he was not an irreplacable part of a dynasty is simply not fair to his legacy.
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I think you'll remember him that way because of what the team accomplished. But the league has been littered with "Tedy Bruschis" over the years who won't be remembered as fondly because their teams achieved but a fraction of what the Patriots have.
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:goodposting: Was Bruschi better than a guy like Chris Spielman? Or did he just play on a better team?
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Good point.Too quick on the trigger finger in posting this I guess. Apologies to all, but I just felt that Bruschi deserved some honor.
 
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Boston said:
Jason Wood said:
Boston said:
Jason Wood said:
Not to pile on, but he's not even a guy I would consider as "The Best Not In the Hall of Fame"...he was a good cog in that wheel, nothing more.
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Sorry but that's selling him way short. He was much more than a cog in the wheel. He was one of their leaders and his play on the field was excellent. He's definetly not a Hall-of-Famer but to think he was not an irreplacable part of a dynasty is simply not fair to his legacy.
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I think you'll remember him that way because of what the team accomplished. But the league has been littered with "Tedy Bruschis" over the years who won't be remembered as fondly because their teams achieved but a fraction of what the Patriots have.
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No, I'll remember him that way for his play and his leadership. When you're one of the leaders on and off the field for a team that won three titles during your prime you're not just another player. The Pats D was not littered with Hall-of-Famers like the Steel Curtain. This was a group that may have three Hall-of-Famers in Seymour, Harrison and Law (and none are definites). During their their title years Bruschi played as big a role as any defender on that team and to say the league is "littered" with this type of player is just plain wrong.
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Darn! Forgot about Ty Law... and I LOVED that guy. I "must" be off tonight.
 
I went to the University of Arizona with him and played basketball at the rec center with him quite a lot. Great guy, pretty much the most popular guy on campus. All character.

Pac10 = Conference of Champions

 
Andy Herron said:
Joe Bryant said:
Hall of Fame - No. I had been wondering about him retiring. Watched the replay again last night of the CIN - NE game and how easily Ochocinco pushed him away and ran off. Looked like he's lost two steps. Clearly it was time. Excellent career though and great comeback story.J
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I hear ya Joe. Probably a bad post, but much like what Ministry of Pain mentioned, he really embodied that Patriots defense through the years of their Super Bowl runs and outside of Brady (or maybe Belichick) was the face of that franchise. You would think somebody from that defense would make it.Samuel? Vrabel? Seymour? Harrison? Of course, he spent most of his years in San Diego.
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Agree for sure Andy. He was a great embodiment of the NE Defense. Made the absolute most of what he had and played with tons of heart.J
 
LHUCKS said:
I went to the University of Arizona with him and played basketball at the rec center with him quite a lot. Great guy, pretty much the most popular guy on campus. All character. Pac10 = Conference of Champions
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Despite not being very tall, could jump jump from a standstill and dunk a basketball.Another, sometimes forgotten fact...broke the record for NCAA D I sacks.Was just awesome to watch in college.
 
He'd be a great candidate for the Hall of the Pretty Good

That said Teddy played with fire. Pats wouldn't have won that boatload of Lombardis without him.

 
Boston said:
Jason Wood said:
Boston said:
Jason Wood said:
Not to pile on, but he's not even a guy I would consider as "The Best Not In the Hall of Fame"...he was a good cog in that wheel, nothing more.
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Sorry but that's selling him way short. He was much more than a cog in the wheel. He was one of their leaders and his play on the field was excellent. He's definetly not a Hall-of-Famer but to think he was not an irreplacable part of a dynasty is simply not fair to his legacy.
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I think you'll remember him that way because of what the team accomplished. But the league has been littered with "Tedy Bruschis" over the years who won't be remembered as fondly because their teams achieved but a fraction of what the Patriots have.
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No, I'll remember him that way for his play and his leadership. When you're one of the leaders on and off the field for a team that won three titles during your prime you're not just another player. The Pats D was not littered with Hall-of-Famers like the Steel Curtain. This was a group that may have three Hall-of-Famers in Seymour, Harrison and Law (and none are definites). During their their title years Bruschi played as big a role as any defender on that team and to say the league is "littered" with this type of player is just plain wrong.
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I agree with Boston, all that he said. If for no other reason than Jason's description doesn't put him in the team HOF. Also, cmon man on this one: But the league has been littered with "Tedy Bruschis" over the years.littered like trash? insinuating he's common? If you think he's common you have some reading to do, some very entertaining fun reading that will change your mind.
 
fatness said:
Andy Herron said:
Apologies to all, but I just felt that Bruschi deserved some honor.
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I think he'll get plenty of that from New England fans over the years.
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And that's what he and (last year's retiree) Troy Brown deserve. It's good. I can't think of many now while still on my first cup of coffee but, alot of NFL players retire and don't get that.NYG owe Amani some love when he's done as their all time leading WR. Has Tiki been treated as well as Troy Brown?That's just two
 
It's fine everyone keeps posting he shouldn't or cannot make it in. But he really was a big difference maker for the Pats. I am a lifelong Phinsfan and I can't think of a guy that I would have liked to have seen less than Bruschi...guy was an animal. Heart of a lion...if the guy is central to NE winning 3 trophys...I'm just saying.

What were the better LBs in his era?

 
Bri said:
Boston said:
Jason Wood said:
Boston said:
Jason Wood said:
Not to pile on, but he's not even a guy I would consider as "The Best Not In the Hall of Fame"...he was a good cog in that wheel, nothing more.
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Sorry but that's selling him way short. He was much more than a cog in the wheel. He was one of their leaders and his play on the field was excellent. He's definetly not a Hall-of-Famer but to think he was not an irreplacable part of a dynasty is simply not fair to his legacy.
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I think you'll remember him that way because of what the team accomplished. But the league has been littered with "Tedy Bruschis" over the years who won't be remembered as fondly because their teams achieved but a fraction of what the Patriots have.
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No, I'll remember him that way for his play and his leadership. When you're one of the leaders on and off the field for a team that won three titles during your prime you're not just another player. The Pats D was not littered with Hall-of-Famers like the Steel Curtain. This was a group that may have three Hall-of-Famers in Seymour, Harrison and Law (and none are definites). During their their title years Bruschi played as big a role as any defender on that team and to say the league is "littered" with this type of player is just plain wrong.
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I agree with Boston, all that he said. If for no other reason than Jason's description doesn't put him in the team HOF. Also, cmon man on this one: But the league has been littered with "Tedy Bruschis" over the years.littered like trash? insinuating he's common? If you think he's common you have some reading to do, some very entertaining fun reading that will change your mind.
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I think the point Jason was making was that while Bruschi was good, there have been a lot of equal to better players, who were the heart and soul of their team's defense, that don't get recognition, and the only reason Bruschi does is because his team was so successful. And I agree... Chris Spielman, Sam Mills, Cornelius Bennett come quickly to mind... and most ppl will be able to tell you a player from "their" team that fits the description.I dunno, LBs in general don't seem to get a lot of credit, you need to be otherworldly good to get in to the HOF it seems
 
travdogg said:
Ministry of Pain said:
I was surprised that he only made 1 Pro Bowl and never was an ALL Pro...there's a reason the Pats won 3 SB and almost a 4th, and there's a reason they wanted him to keep playing even after the heart problems he went thru. I know he will not go to the HoF but I have a very deep level of respect for Teddy Bruschi and he may just emobdy the entire NE defense during that run.

BTW: What players from the NE defense are going to get in the HoF?
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I doubt there will be any. Maybe Seymour has a shot, but he needs probably another 3 years of elite play and I think he's peaked already.I think the only Patriots who are HOF worthy are Belichick and Brady. Unless you want to count Seau and Moss, but I don't really think of them as Patriots when it comes to career achievement.
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LocksBelichick, Brady, Vinatieri, Moss, Harrison

Outside Chance:

Seau, Seymour

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
travdogg said:
Ministry of Pain said:
I was surprised that he only made 1 Pro Bowl and never was an ALL Pro...there's a reason the Pats won 3 SB and almost a 4th, and there's a reason they wanted him to keep playing even after the heart problems he went thru. I know he will not go to the HoF but I have a very deep level of respect for Teddy Bruschi and he may just emobdy the entire NE defense during that run.

BTW: What players from the NE defense are going to get in the HoF?
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I doubt there will be any. Maybe Seymour has a shot, but he needs probably another 3 years of elite play and I think he's peaked already.I think the only Patriots who are HOF worthy are Belichick and Brady. Unless you want to count Seau and Moss, but I don't really think of them as Patriots when it comes to career achievement.
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LocksBelichick, Brady, Vinatieri, Moss, Harrison

Outside Chance:

Seau, Seymour
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Think Seau and Harrison go in as Pats or Chargers... my guess would be Chargers...
 
I think he may be deemed HOF worthy long after he's eligible, or in other words when many of the peers of his day are being/have been enshrined. Football is all about winning championships, and the man has been a part of 5 Superbowl teams. How many players do any of us know of that have played in 5 Superbowls?? That's a short list. And guys like that get consideration. Think what you want, that's there's no way statistically he has even a shot. But if it were really about stats, **** LeBeau and his 62INTs would have been in long ago. And he's about go in by the way. But Bruschi LED teams that won 3 SBs in 4 years. He was the LEADER of those teams. His #s may not be HOF worthy. His leadership and his ability to make big plays in many of those games is. Jmho.

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
travdogg said:
Ministry of Pain said:
I was surprised that he only made 1 Pro Bowl and never was an ALL Pro...there's a reason the Pats won 3 SB and almost a 4th, and there's a reason they wanted him to keep playing even after the heart problems he went thru. I know he will not go to the HoF but I have a very deep level of respect for Teddy Bruschi and he may just emobdy the entire NE defense during that run.

BTW: What players from the NE defense are going to get in the HoF?
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I doubt there will be any. Maybe Seymour has a shot, but he needs probably another 3 years of elite play and I think he's peaked already.I think the only Patriots who are HOF worthy are Belichick and Brady. Unless you want to count Seau and Moss, but I don't really think of them as Patriots when it comes to career achievement.
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LocksBelichick, Brady, Vinatieri, Moss, Harrison

Outside Chance:

Seau, Seymour
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Vinatieri as a "lock"? Wow. A kicker as a lock. Im not sure there's any such thing. And I love what the man's done in his career and for those Pats teams, obviously. But we all know STs get nitpicked to death in HOF discussions, and kickers basically dont get any respect period. So, when AV's time comes, his career is gonna be gone over with a fine-toothed comb. Do I think he gets in? Yep. A lock though? Not really. No more a lock imo than Bruschi.
 
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SeniorVBDStudent said:
Godsbrother said:
SeniorVBDStudent said:
Locks

Belichick, Brady, Vinatieri, Moss, Harrison

Outside Chance:

Seau, Seymour
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Kickers are never locks for the HoF.
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There's no denying my homerism. Having said that, unless there are zero kickers in the HOF currently, Vinatieri is a lock for the HOF.
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There's one pure kicker in the HOF (Jan Stenerud) and there's also George Blanda. If you count Blanda as a kicker, there are 14 kickers that have scored more points than Vinatieri. Morten Anderson scored more than 1,000 points more than Adam V. did. IMO, he's far from a lock.
 
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