So what happens if: Delay of Game at end of the half (1 Viewer)

[JAA]

So before the end of the 1st half for the Brown Ravens, its 1st and 10 at the Cle 10 1ith 50 seconds to go. The Browns run the ball and lose 3 yards. Its 2nd and 13 from the 7. ManGENIOUS determines that he wont snap the ball for the offense for the rest of the half.

What happens here?

Delay of game and its 2nd and (half the distance) at the 3.5. No time run off the clock, there is still 12 seconds

Delay of game and its 2nd and (half the distance) at the 1.75. No time run off the clock, there is still 12 seconds

Delay of game and its 2nd and (half the distance) at the .88. No time run off the clock, there is still 12 seconds

Delay of game and its 2nd and (half the distance) at the .44. No time run off the clock, there is still 12 seconds

What do the rules say if the coach decides not to hike the ball? The penalty will always be 1/2 distance to the goal so by definition there cannot be any change in score. But also, the clock cant move. If the really lineup and never hike the ball, when does someone step in here? How many penalties would they be allowed to go?

 

[brettdj]

The rules state that the referee can make any penalty for a travesty of the game. So it would be up to the referee.

 

[cheeseypoof]

At some point wont the QB be in the endzone when the delay of game penalty is called resulting in a safety?

 

[JAA]

At some point wont the QB be in the endzone when the delay of game penalty is called resulting in a safety?

Delay of game is a pre-snap penalty.

 

[JAA]

At some point wont the QB be in the endzone when the delay of game penalty is called resulting in a safety?

Where is this rule?Has it ever been enforced?

 

[belljr]

Isn't it a 10 second runoff for delay of game.

 

[Buffaloes]

Isn't it a 10 second runoff for delay of game.

I think that rule only applies if the team is out of timeouts.

 

[JAA]

Isn't it a 10 second runoff for delay of game.

good point. what are the details of this rule again? how much time needs to be on the clock?

 

[tomarken]

Zeno would be proud.

 

[belljr]

Penalty: For delay of the game: Loss of five yards:(a) from the succeeding spot if it occurs between downs. The ball remainsdead; or(b) from the previous spot if the ball was in play.Section 7 Actions to Conserve TimeArticle 1 A team is not permitted to conserve time inside of one minute of either half bycommitting any of the following acts:(a) a foul by either team that prevents the snap (i.e., false start, encroachment, etc.)(b) intentional grounding;© an illegal forward pass thrown from beyond the line of scrimmaged) throwing a backward pass out of boundse) spiking or throwing the ball in the field of play after a down has ended, except aftera touchdown; or(f) any other intentional foul that causes the clock to stop.Penalty: For Illegally Conserving Time: Loss of five yards unless a larger distancepenalty is applicable.When actions referred to above are committed by the offensive team while timeis in, officials will run 10 seconds off the game clock before permitting the ballBall RemainsDeadOther Delay ofGame FoulsIllegal ActsInterruption ofPlay ClockRule 4, Section 6, Article 322to be put in play on the ready-for-play signal. The game clock will start on theready-for-play signal. If the offensive team has timeouts remaining, it will havethe option of using a timeout in lieu of a 10-second runoff, in which case thegame clock will start on the snap after the timeout. The defense always has theoption to decline the 10-second runoff and have the yardage penalty enforced,but if the yardage penalty is declined, the 10-second runoff is also declined.If the action is by the defense, the play clock will be reset to 40 seconds, and thegame clock will start on the ready signal, unless the offense chooses to havethe clock start on the snap. If the defense has timeouts remaining, it will havethe option of using a timeout in lieu of the game clock being started.A.R. 4.9 With eight seconds remaining in the first half, A1 throws a backward pass out-of-boundsto stop the game clock.Ruling: Half over, 10-second runoff for conserving time.A.R. 4.10 With seven seconds remaining in the first half, guard A1 commits a false start in orderto stop the game clock.Ruling: Half over, 10-second runoff for conserving time.Note 1: More than two successive delay penalties during the same down, after a warning,is unsportsmanlike conduct (12-3-1-n).Note 2: Certain acts of delay may involve stopping the game clock immediately. Repeatedviolations of the substitution rule to conserve time are unsportsmanlike conduct(12-3-1-m).Article 2 After the two-minute warning of either half, if there is a violation of the substitutionrule while the ball is dead and time is in, in addition to the applicable yardagepenalty for illegal substitution, there will be a 10-second runoff pursuant to Article 1above. Repeated violations of the

12-3-1 More than two successive 40/25 second penalties (after warning) during same down.Not sure what they award

 

[cheeseypoof]

At some point wont the QB be in the endzone when the delay of game penalty is called resulting in a safety?

Where is this rule?Has it ever been enforced?

Not a specific rule. But an offensive penalty in the end zone is a safety. If the ball is on the 0.000001 inch line, by the time the center and QB take their stance, the QB is bound to be in the end zone. Hence my original question, would a delay of game penalty on a QB who is lined up in the end zone result in a safety?I don't know the right answer, but I think it should.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

At some point wont the QB be in the endzone when the delay of game penalty is called resulting in a safety?

Where is this rule?Has it ever been enforced?

Not a specific rule. But an offensive penalty in the end zone is a safety. If the ball is on the 0.000001 inch line, by the time the center and QB take their stance, the QB is bound to be in the end zone. Hence my original question, would a delay of game penalty on a QB who is lined up in the end zone result in a safety?

No, because the ball was never snapped and therefore the ball never went into the endzone.

 

[nukdog12]

At some point wont the QB be in the endzone when the delay of game penalty is called resulting in a safety?

Where is this rule?Has it ever been enforced?

Not a specific rule. But an offensive penalty in the end zone is a safety. If the ball is on the 0.000001 inch line, by the time the center and QB take their stance, the QB is bound to be in the end zone. Hence my original question, would a delay of game penalty on a QB who is lined up in the end zone result in a safety?I don't know the right answer, but I think it should.

By this reasoning, a delay of game by a team on the 2 yard line whose QB is in the shotgon would also be a safety? A team punting from the 5, with the punter standing in th end zone, that gets a false start penalty is a safety?Need I go on?

 

[cheeseypoof]

At some point wont the QB be in the endzone when the delay of game penalty is called resulting in a safety?

Where is this rule?Has it ever been enforced?

Not a specific rule. But an offensive penalty in the end zone is a safety. If the ball is on the 0.000001 inch line, by the time the center and QB take their stance, the QB is bound to be in the end zone. Hence my original question, would a delay of game penalty on a QB who is lined up in the end zone result in a safety?I don't know the right answer, but I think it should.

By this reasoning, a delay of game by a team on the 2 yard line whose QB is in the shotgon would also be a safety? A team punting from the 5, with the punter standing in th end zone, that gets a false start penalty is a safety?Need I go on?

LOL. Not really. I was just asking a hypothetical question in response to the OP.

 

[JAA]

Penalty: For delay of the game: Loss of five yards:(a) from the succeeding spot if it occurs between downs. The ball remainsdead; or(b) from the previous spot if the ball was in play.Section 7 Actions to Conserve TimeArticle 1 A team is not permitted to conserve time inside of one minute of either half bycommitting any of the following acts:(a) a foul by either team that prevents the snap (i.e., false start, encroachment, etc.)(b) intentional grounding;© an illegal forward pass thrown from beyond the line of scrimmaged) throwing a backward pass out of boundse) spiking or throwing the ball in the field of play after a down has ended, except aftera touchdown; or(f) any other intentional foul that causes the clock to stop.Penalty: For Illegally Conserving Time: Loss of five yards unless a larger distancepenalty is applicable.When actions referred to above are committed by the offensive team while timeis in, officials will run 10 seconds off the game clock before permitting the ballBall RemainsDeadOther Delay ofGame FoulsIllegal ActsInterruption ofPlay ClockRule 4, Section 6, Article 322to be put in play on the ready-for-play signal. The game clock will start on theready-for-play signal. If the offensive team has timeouts remaining, it will havethe option of using a timeout in lieu of a 10-second runoff, in which case thegame clock will start on the snap after the timeout. The defense always has theoption to decline the 10-second runoff and have the yardage penalty enforced,but if the yardage penalty is declined, the 10-second runoff is also declined.If the action is by the defense, the play clock will be reset to 40 seconds, and thegame clock will start on the ready signal, unless the offense chooses to havethe clock start on the snap. If the defense has timeouts remaining, it will havethe option of using a timeout in lieu of the game clock being started.A.R. 4.9 With eight seconds remaining in the first half, A1 throws a backward pass out-of-boundsto stop the game clock.Ruling: Half over, 10-second runoff for conserving time.A.R. 4.10 With seven seconds remaining in the first half, guard A1 commits a false start in orderto stop the game clock.Ruling: Half over, 10-second runoff for conserving time.Note 1: More than two successive delay penalties during the same down, after a warning,is unsportsmanlike conduct (12-3-1-n).Note 2: Certain acts of delay may involve stopping the game clock immediately. Repeatedviolations of the substitution rule to conserve time are unsportsmanlike conduct(12-3-1-m).Article 2 After the two-minute warning of either half, if there is a violation of the substitutionrule while the ball is dead and time is in, in addition to the applicable yardagepenalty for illegal substitution, there will be a 10-second runoff pursuant to Article 1above. Repeated violations of the

12-3-1 More than two successive 40/25 second penalties (after warning) during same down.Not sure what they award

has it ever been awarded? Is there any presidence?

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

The rules state that the referee can make any penalty for a travesty of the game. So it would be up to the referee.

Then the refs should have been handing them out left and right to Mangini all four quarters for that travesty of a game.

 

[rsanford]

Spot of the ball is the front nose of the ball. Safety is if the full football is not beyond the end zone line. When the ball is spotted somewhere around the 12" line, the back end of the ball will be over the end zone line. Result = safety.

 

[tonka]

You can't get a safety if you don't even snap the ball.

How is that so hard for some people to understand?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So before the end of the 1st half for the Brown Ravens, its 1st and 10 at the Cle 10 1ith 50 seconds to go. The Browns run the ball and lose 3 yards. Its 2nd and 13 from the 7. ManGENIOUS determines that he wont snap the ball for the offense for the rest of the half.What happens here?Delay of game and its 2nd and (half the distance) at the 3.5. No time run off the clock, there is still 12 secondsDelay of game and its 2nd and (half the distance) at the 1.75. No time run off the clock, there is still 12 secondsDelay of game and its 2nd and (half the distance) at the .88. No time run off the clock, there is still 12 secondsDelay of game and its 2nd and (half the distance) at the .44. No time run off the clock, there is still 12 secondsWhat do the rules say if the coach decides not to hike the ball? The penalty will always be 1/2 distance to the goal so by definition there cannot be any change in score. But also, the clock cant move. If the really lineup and never hike the ball, when does someone step in here? How many penalties would they be allowed to go?

That, my friend, is a forfeit. There's a rule for that alright.

 

[Doug B]

So before the end of the 1st half for the Brown Ravens, its 1st and 10 at the Cle 10 1ith 50 seconds to go. The Browns run the ball and lose 3 yards. Its 2nd and 13 from the 7. ManGENIOUS determines that he wont snap the ball for the offense for the rest of the half.What happens here?Delay of game and its 2nd and (half the distance) at the 3.5. No time run off the clock, there is still 12 secondsDelay of game and its 2nd and (half the distance) at the 1.75. No time run off the clock, there is still 12 secondsDelay of game and its 2nd and (half the distance) at the .88. No time run off the clock, there is still 12 secondsDelay of game and its 2nd and (half the distance) at the .44. No time run off the clock, there is still 12 secondsWhat do the rules say if the coach decides not to hike the ball? The penalty will always be 1/2 distance to the goal so by definition there cannot be any change in score. But also, the clock cant move. If the really lineup and never hike the ball, when does someone step in here? How many penalties would they be allowed to go?

That, my friend, is a forfeit. There's a rule for that alright.

Not that different from refusing to field a team at the opening kickoff, refusing to come out of the lockerroom, etc.

 

[B-Deep]

no coach is this big of D-bag

 

[DoubleG]

no coach is this big of D-bag

You have obviously forgotten the coach on which the question is based.Besides, any coach, who thought he could avoid a situation where his QB had to take a snap in his own endzone would try to figure out a way to get out if it if it was within the rules. Coaches call useless timeouts to try to "ice" kickers - review plays they know they can't win just to give their defensive players a rest, have players fake injuries to give their defensive players a blow (this was hinted at in the Pats/Indy game).

 

[X42]

On the 360 when someone does this playing Madden, the opponent eventually gets bored of waiting... quits the game and gets a loss. I think the same may apply here.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Spot of the ball is the front nose of the ball. Safety is if the full football is not beyond the end zone line. When the ball is spotted somewhere around the 12" line, the back end of the ball will be over the end zone line. Result = safety.

You know, there's a pinned thread in which Maurile Tremblay posted the official NFL rulebook. You might want to read Section 29.

 

[Das Boot]

no coach is this big of D-bag

Agreed, but it's an interesting theoretical question.and Mangini was a good example coach to use for a theoretical question like this.