SO what happens to all the guys who DIDN'T get moved? (1 Viewer)

[Gatorman]

Taylor may sign with the dolphins by the end of the week (or with the patriots).

The LB in from Seattle?

As for the rest of those WRs that went nowhere, now what? I guess the 2010 draft picks are the next step...

Arizona no longer needs a RB, and a lot of the teams that needed WRs now have them on the roster (whether they will be any good or not remains to be seen)

Gator

 

[FUBAR]

Most likely: Boldin will play for the Super Bowl losers who are doomed to miss the playoffs. Braylon will play for the Browns.

 

[SmokeScreen]

It looks to me like we found out what the other teams thought about Boldin when the Cards reduced their asking price from a first to a second round pick. It wasn't the pick. It was the money and the uncertanty about the injury. (Most) Teams are getting smarter about how they spend their money.

 

[RC94]

It's going to be interesting to see how much disruption Boldin and Edwards cause for their teams. Both of them seem to hate team management.

 

[Phurfur]

Cliff's notes please.

"No pandemic has hit us hard in a long time, therefore none ever will."

More like "People have freaked out about stuff like this before and nothing really bad happened." When I was a kid it was the killer bees. My grandmother was in tears after watching the news one night. She thought we only had a few more weeks until we were all going to be stung to death.

It looks to me like we found out what the other teams thought about Boldin when the Cards reduced their asking price from a first to a second round pick. It wasn't the pick. It was the money and the uncertanty about the injury. (Most) Teams are getting smarter about how they spend their money.

You are correct but AZ never dropped its offer. That report was just poor journalism.

 

[BoltThrower]

Browns will keep Edwards and he will be an RFA after the season. They'll let him sign elsewhere and take the compensatory picks (1st & 3rd?).

I look for them to trade DA during training camp when somebody's starter goes down.

 

[Jason Wood]

Depends how untenable the situation becomes. I have an easier time seeing the Browns get rid of Edwards than I do the Cards get rid of Boldin. For one thing, Boldin's most public disputes were with Haley, who's no longer there. Second, he's got years on his current contract. I expect, unless a team is willing to give up a 2010 1st and more, Boldin will be forced to play a weak hand. He'll probably threaten to hold out of camp but when the game checks/fines are on the line, he'll show up.

As to Edwards, that's a tougher nut to crack.

*** Kokinis and Mangini have no allegiance to him

*** They didn't hesitate to trade Kellen Winslow, who is an even better player/prospect than Edwards

*** They would get a mulligan for letting him go on "fair" compensation IMHO b/c it's a new regime

*** Edwards will be a free agent next year

*** The Browns spent two 1st day draft picks on wideouts

With the Eagles taking Maclin and the Giants taking three wideouts, it's unclear whether they are still interested. If they are, I could still see the Browns taking 2010 compensation back. But we really don't know what the relationship is with Edwards and Mangini. Maybe it's a lot better than we all speculate.

 

[TheFanatic]

Well, let's see. For Edwards he, and his $3.6 million contract out of a $32 million cap, will be firmly planted on my bench till he stops dropping the damn ball...

The way I see it, Taylor will get a job now that some team missed out on a D-lineman. The WR's will play for their teams. Boldin may actually get that big contract. Edwards will have to play like a man possessed to stay in Cleveland. He'll go elsewhere next year for less than the RFA price tag of a 1 and a 3. Someone will trade with Cleveland directly for less as Cleveland will likely be happy to be rid of him after 2009.

 

[NoCheese]

Depends how untenable the situation becomes. I have an easier time seeing the Browns get rid of Edwards than I do the Cards get rid of Boldin. For one thing, Boldin's most public disputes were with Haley, who's no longer there. Second, he's got years on his current contract. I expect, unless a team is willing to give up a 2010 1st and more, Boldin will be forced to play a weak hand. He'll probably threaten to hold out of camp but when the game checks/fines are on the line, he'll show up.

As to Edwards, that's a tougher nut to crack.

*** Kokinis and Mangini have no allegiance to him

*** They didn't hesitate to trade Kellen Winslow, who is an even better player/prospect than Edwards

*** They would get a mulligan for letting him go on "fair" compensation IMHO b/c it's a new regime

*** Edwards will be a free agent next year

*** The Browns spent two 1st day draft picks on wideouts

With the Eagles taking Maclin and the Giants taking three wideouts, it's unclear whether they are still interested. If they are, I could still see the Browns taking 2010 compensation back. But we really don't know what the relationship is with Edwards and Mangini. Maybe it's a lot better than we all speculate.

Really? I could see an argument that they're pretty equal in value, but a better prospect than Braylon? People must have short memories. Braylon just turmed 26 and had 1289 yds and 16 TD's in 2007. Sure, he had an off year in 2008, but Anderson/Quinn looked brutal. He does drop his share of balls, but is a big play threat and would be a Top 5 NFL WR in a different offense.

 

[Tigerbot Hesh]

 

[switz]

*** They didn't hesitate to trade Kellen Winslow, who is an even better player/prospect than Edwards

Really? I could see an argument that they're pretty equal in value, but a better prospect than Braylon? People must have short memories. Braylon just turmed 26 and had 1289 yds and 16 TD's in 2007. Sure, he had an off year in 2008, but Anderson/Quinn looked brutal. He does drop his share of balls, but is a big play threat and would be a Top 5 NFL WR in a different offense.

And KW2 could be THE top TE in the league in a different offense.Braylon is a good WR, Winslow is a GREAT TE. If he stays healthy he could become an ALL TIME GREAT TE. I don't think anyone thinks that about Edwards.

 

[T Man]

1. Boldin -- I think Boldin likely stays with the Cards. He may talk, but I don't see him as a locker room disruption. He still plays hard. He could have gone in the tank after his fractures, but he came back - and quick. The guy will play hard regardless of his contract situation.

2. Edwards -- I think he stays as well unless the Browns get a good offer. The Browns will look and see what they have drafted and then let Edwards walk next year.

3. LEroy Hill -- I think he jumps ship from Seattle. Curry will getr the OLB money, and Hill will have to go elsewhere. My thought is Atlanta (IIRC think he is from that area and they did not draft OLB). Other teams may include NO, Pats, Eagles, Jax).

4. Anderson or Quinn -- With Ratliff coming over, one of these guys has to go. I would think that Quinn has the most trade value. Again, I think the Browns see what they have in the offseason and look to move one for picks. I could see a team like Minny trying to get Quinn for cheap - Childress may feel he is on thin ice and not value future picks. Seattle could be a long shot and I think Denver is also a longshot. San Fran or St. L could look to add someone like Anderson. Or if a team loses a QB early in the offseason.

5. Taylor -- I think he ends up siging in Miami or New England. But I also think he waits until after the OTLs.

6. Edge -- I think his time is definitely up in AZ. Someone like the Saints or the Bills may decide they need a veteran back -- although I am not sure he has a lot left in the tank.

 

[wadegarrett]

It's going to be interesting to see how much disruption Boldin and Edwards cause for their teams. Both of them seem to hate team management.

Edwards hates Browns management? Link?

 

[Jason Wood]

Depends how untenable the situation becomes. I have an easier time seeing the Browns get rid of Edwards than I do the Cards get rid of Boldin. For one thing, Boldin's most public disputes were with Haley, who's no longer there. Second, he's got years on his current contract. I expect, unless a team is willing to give up a 2010 1st and more, Boldin will be forced to play a weak hand. He'll probably threaten to hold out of camp but when the game checks/fines are on the line, he'll show up.

As to Edwards, that's a tougher nut to crack.

*** Kokinis and Mangini have no allegiance to him

*** They didn't hesitate to trade Kellen Winslow, who is an even better player/prospect than Edwards

*** They would get a mulligan for letting him go on "fair" compensation IMHO b/c it's a new regime

*** Edwards will be a free agent next year

*** The Browns spent two 1st day draft picks on wideouts

With the Eagles taking Maclin and the Giants taking three wideouts, it's unclear whether they are still interested. If they are, I could still see the Browns taking 2010 compensation back. But we really don't know what the relationship is with Edwards and Mangini. Maybe it's a lot better than we all speculate.

Really? I could see an argument that they're pretty equal in value, but a better prospect than Braylon? People must have short memories. Braylon just turmed 26 and had 1289 yds and 16 TD's in 2007. Sure, he had an off year in 2008, but Anderson/Quinn looked brutal. He does drop his share of balls, but is a big play threat and would be a Top 5 NFL WR in a different offense.

I wasn't disparaging Edwards' abilities or potential, but more expressing just what an elite talent KW2 is and how they let him go without much of a fight.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

These teams should just swap Boldin and Edwards. The Browns probably get a pick too. Poor Boldin gets stuck in CLE. Then he can see how crappy: 1) the CLE team is, 2) the weather is, and 3) the women look.

 

[The Jacket]

For one thing, Boldin's most public disputes were with Haley, who's no longer there. Second, he's got years on his current contract. I expect, unless a team is willing to give up a 2010 1st and more, Boldin will be forced to play a weak hand. He'll probably threaten to hold out of camp but when the game checks/fines are on the line, he'll show up.

This is so overblown it's not even funny. It was one passionate debate and that's it. Haley was due to fly to Hawaii, at Boldin and Fitzgerald's invite, before taking the Chiefs job, and Boldin listed the Chiefs, along with the entire NFC East, by name as one of the teams he'd like to play for. Boldin's got one problem and one problem only: money. If the Cardinals offered him a four-year, $40 million deal tomorrow, we wouldn't hear him say a single word the rest of the offsesaon.

For that reason, I consider Boldin a candidate to be moved. I think the Cards feel like they've got enough weapons without Boldin so they're hesitent to pay him such a big amount. Interestingly, there's a rumor on a KC radio station right now that KC is in serious talks to acquire Boldin. Apparently KC is offering a second-rounder next year that they acquired from Atlanta along with its own fourth-rounder. Supposedly Arizona wants KC's second- and third-round picks.

 

[FUBAR]

*** They didn't hesitate to trade Kellen Winslow, who is an even better player/prospect than Edwards

Really? I could see an argument that they're pretty equal in value, but a better prospect than Braylon? People must have short memories. Braylon just turmed 26 and had 1289 yds and 16 TD's in 2007. Sure, he had an off year in 2008, but Anderson/Quinn looked brutal. He does drop his share of balls, but is a big play threat and would be a Top 5 NFL WR in a different offense.

And KW2 could be THE top TE in the league in a different offense.Braylon is a good WR, Winslow is a GREAT TE. If he stays healthy he could become an ALL TIME GREAT TE. I don't think anyone thinks that about Edwards.

He is? He has the potential, but I sure haven't seen him actually be a great TE. Even in 07, the games I saw I never came away with the impression that Winslow was better than Gonzo, Gates, Witten, etc. Or even from what we saw on the field that he would become better than those guys. :hijack:

 

[eric rymer]

Depends how untenable the situation becomes. I have an easier time seeing the Browns get rid of Edwards than I do the Cards get rid of Boldin. For one thing, Boldin's most public disputes were with Haley, who's no longer there. Second, he's got years on his current contract. I expect, unless a team is willing to give up a 2010 1st and more, Boldin will be forced to play a weak hand. He'll probably threaten to hold out of camp but when the game checks/fines are on the line, he'll show up.

As to Edwards, that's a tougher nut to crack.

*** Kokinis and Mangini have no allegiance to him

*** They didn't hesitate to trade Kellen Winslow, who is an even better player/prospect than Edwards

*** They would get a mulligan for letting him go on "fair" compensation IMHO b/c it's a new regime

*** Edwards will be a free agent next year

*** The Browns spent two 1st day draft picks on wideouts

With the Eagles taking Maclin and the Giants taking three wideouts, it's unclear whether they are still interested. If they are, I could still see the Browns taking 2010 compensation back. But we really don't know what the relationship is with Edwards and Mangini. Maybe it's a lot better than we all speculate.

Really? I could see an argument that they're pretty equal in value, but a better prospect than Braylon? People must have short memories. Braylon just turmed 26 and had 1289 yds and 16 TD's in 2007. Sure, he had an off year in 2008, but Anderson/Quinn looked brutal. He does drop his share of balls, but is a big play threat and would be a Top 5 NFL WR in a different offense.

I wasn't disparaging Edwards' abilities or potential, but more expressing just what an elite talent KW2 is and how they let him go without much of a fight.

This is the big question. With all the trouble Winslow has had with his knees, you have to wonder how long he will be able to play at a high level. I think a lot of Browns faithful assume that Braylon will playing much longer than Winslow.

 

[Yenrub]

Does Jason Campbell belong in this thread too?

I imagine that he can’t be to happy in Washington

 

[eric rymer]

Julius Peppers?

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Most likely: Boldin will play for the Super Bowl losers who are doomed to miss the playoffs. Braylon will play for the Browns.

Well, super Bowl loser I guess is batter than bounced @ home in the 1st playoff game you play. As far as not making the playoffs, Cards win the division again this year. Too bad Tenn could not land Boldin probaly would have kept them from being a one year wonder.

 

[T Man]

For one thing, Boldin's most public disputes were with Haley, who's no longer there. Second, he's got years on his current contract. I expect, unless a team is willing to give up a 2010 1st and more, Boldin will be forced to play a weak hand. He'll probably threaten to hold out of camp but when the game checks/fines are on the line, he'll show up.

This is so overblown it's not even funny. It was one passionate debate and that's it. Haley was due to fly to Hawaii, at Boldin and Fitzgerald's invite, before taking the Chiefs job, and Boldin listed the Chiefs, along with the entire NFC East, by name as one of the teams he'd like to play for. Boldin's got one problem and one problem only: money. If the Cardinals offered him a four-year, $40 million deal tomorrow, we wouldn't hear him say a single word the rest of the offsesaon.

For that reason, I consider Boldin a candidate to be moved. I think the Cards feel like they've got enough weapons without Boldin so they're hesitent to pay him such a big amount. Interestingly, there's a rumor on a KC radio station right now that KC is in serious talks to acquire Boldin. Apparently KC is offering a second-rounder next year that they acquired from Atlanta along with its own fourth-rounder. Supposedly Arizona wants KC's second- and third-round picks.

Typically, using the old NFL Draft chart, a pick in the current draft is worth the same pick one round earlier in the next draft. Thus a 2nd rounder in 2009 would have been the equivalent of a 3rd rounder in 2010.If the rumor of KC's involvement is true, then it makes me wonder why the Cards would have turned down the Bears offer which reportedly included a 2nd rounder in 2009 and other considerations. Cards could have used the pick this year.

 

[TheFanatic]

Does Jason Campbell belong in this thread too?I imagine that he can’t be to happy in Washington

One would think but Campbell has been nothing but a professional during all of this unlike Cutler. Cutler basically used the talk to try to leverage a new contract and when they didn't do that he took his ball and went home. Campbell has said all the right things and probably knows he got a reprieve for 1 season and will have to make the most of it to get another starting gig....

 

[eefflrat]

Browns will keep Edwards and he will be an RFA after the season. They'll let him sign elsewhere and take the compensatory picks (1st & 3rd?).

Teams don't get awarded 1st round comp picks, 3rd round is the best they can hope for...So do you let him go after this year for a possible 3rd rounder based on that crazy formula, or do you start shopping him to teams that will give you a second rounder and another maybe a 5th? I think the Browns will move on and take the picks in a trade.

 

[Snotbubbles]

For one thing, Boldin's most public disputes were with Haley, who's no longer there. Second, he's got years on his current contract. I expect, unless a team is willing to give up a 2010 1st and more, Boldin will be forced to play a weak hand. He'll probably threaten to hold out of camp but when the game checks/fines are on the line, he'll show up.

This is so overblown it's not even funny. It was one passionate debate and that's it. Haley was due to fly to Hawaii, at Boldin and Fitzgerald's invite, before taking the Chiefs job, and Boldin listed the Chiefs, along with the entire NFC East, by name as one of the teams he'd like to play for. Boldin's got one problem and one problem only: money. If the Cardinals offered him a four-year, $40 million deal tomorrow, we wouldn't hear him say a single word the rest of the offsesaon.

For that reason, I consider Boldin a candidate to be moved. I think the Cards feel like they've got enough weapons without Boldin so they're hesitent to pay him such a big amount. Interestingly, there's a rumor on a KC radio station right now that KC is in serious talks to acquire Boldin. Apparently KC is offering a second-rounder next year that they acquired from Atlanta along with its own fourth-rounder. Supposedly Arizona wants KC's second- and third-round picks.

Typically, using the old NFL Draft chart, a pick in the current draft is worth the same pick one round earlier in the next draft. Thus a 2nd rounder in 2009 would have been the equivalent of a 3rd rounder in 2010.If the rumor of KC's involvement is true, then it makes me wonder why the Cards would have turned down the Bears offer which reportedly included a 2nd rounder in 2009 and other considerations. Cards could have used the pick this year.

Probably because the Cards really don't want to trade Boldin. Similar to Joe Banner saying the Eagles would trade McNabb...for (3) 1sts. That's akin to saying, no they really won't trade him. Just like Boldin, no one will give you a 1st for him, so you set the bar high if someone meets the price, you ship him.

 

[azgroover]

For one thing, Boldin's most public disputes were with Haley, who's no longer there.

No. Boldin's biggest beef was with Graves and Whisenhunt, who he insists lied to him about "taking care of him" before camp even began last season.

 

[MAC_32]

At this point, I'd be surprised if Braylon plays elsewhere in 2009. He better be motivated to produce so he can jetson in 2010 though. A Big year will get someone to pony up the dollars to give up a 1st and a 3rd for him, a less than stellar year and he'll be retained for one year by Cleveland. Man up Braylon, play for your contract.

I wouldn't be surprised if either DA or Quinn are dealt in August (more likely to be DA imho), but I don't think it's a forgone conclusion. Mangini likes Ratliff, but he also doesn't want to just give away either Quinn or DA either. If he can get fair value for whoever his backup for 2009 will be he'll deal him, but if not he'll keep three QB's, I just hope he doesn't fudge with the starter week to week. Once he makes a choice, ride that guy through October.

This is not Cleveland homer speak, I really believe many outsiders over value Winslow for what everyone thought he could be a few years ago. He's not the same. No one was ever going to confuse him for a blocker, but his days being an asset in the passing game are very much up in the air. He created zero separation last year and lost most battles for balls in traffic, he also did not have offseason surgery so obviously nothing was seriously wrong with him. You can't convince me that he's a sure bet to make it half of his contract in Tampa. He could and he could do real well, but to bet on it would be like pushing all in with a couple of ducks out of position. I'm not rooting against him by any means, he's as tough as nails competitor as I have ever seen, just think his body's 10 years older than his real age. Good luck Tampa...