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so who hires Shanahan? (1 Viewer)

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Mike Shanahan got fired in Denver for declining team performance. He followed that by getting fired after 4 years of total football control in Washington because he compiled he exact same winning percentage as did Jim Zorn and Steve Spurrier.

In Washington he proved to be poor at hiring supporting coaching staff for the defense and special teams. And on offense he hired his son as OC, let his son do what he wanted without repercussion or question, and alienated a good bit of the rest of the coaching staff.

Oh, the Skins were 24-40 under him, with double-digit losses in 3 out of 4 years. They had exactly one good stretch during the 4 years --- the 7-game winning streak in 2012 that culminated in a division title and a first round playoff loss in a game in which Shanahan let a clearly-injured QB play, badly, until he got injured enough to mess up the 2013 season.

I understand that there are people who don't like Robert Griffin and who would root for Shanahan in a Griffin-vs.-Shanahan struggle. I understand there are people (like me) who don't like Dan Snyder and would root for Shanahan in a Snyder-vs.-Shanahan situation. The point of this topic isn't whether you think Snyder will ever field a good, steady team, or whether you think Griffin will be seen as a good QB 10 years from now.

What I want to know is: what NFL team would hire Mike Shanahan now?

My personal opinion is that the last 4 years allowed him to display his abilities well enough that he doesn't get another head coaching gig. He's bad at choosing personnel, bad at hiring coaches, bad at motivating players, constantly outcoached on the field, and is a control nut. I don't think any other team in the NFL will hire him. Albert Breer thinks he'll have a hard time getting a job.

Here's a background article by 5 reporters with lots of sources in the Redskin organization: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/mike-shanahan-hasnt-solved-washington-redskins-problems-during-uneven-tenure/2013/12/28/7df92930-6fd5-11e3-a523-fe73f0ff6b8d_story.html

What do you think?

 
Mike Shanahan got fired in Denver for declining team performance. He followed that by getting fired after 4 years of total football control in Washington because he compiled he exact same winning percentage as did Jim Zorn and Steve Spurrier.

In Washington he proved to be poor at hiring supporting coaching staff for the defense and special teams. And on offense he hired his son as OC, let his son do what he wanted without repercussion or question, and alienated a good bit of the rest of the coaching staff.

Oh, the Skins were 24-40 under him, with double-digit losses in 3 out of 4 years. They had exactly one good stretch during the 4 years --- the 7-game winning streak in 2012 that culminated in a division title and a first round playoff loss in a game in which Shanahan let a clearly-injured QB play, badly, until he got injured enough to mess up the 2013 season.

I understand that there are people who don't like Robert Griffin and who would root for Shanahan in a Griffin-vs.-Shanahan struggle. I understand there are people (like me) who don't like Dan Snyder and would root for Shanahan in a Snyder-vs.-Shanahan situation. The point of this topic isn't whether you think Snyder will ever field a good, steady team, or whether you think Griffin will be seen as a good QB 10 years from now.

What I want to know is: what NFL team would hire Mike Shanahan now?

My personal opinion is that the last 4 years allowed him to display his abilities well enough that he doesn't get another head coaching gig. He's bad at choosing personnel, bad at hiring coaches, bad at motivating players, constantly outcoached on the field, and is a control nut. I don't think any other team in the NFL will hire him. Albert Breer thinks he'll have a hard time getting a job.

Here's a background article by 5 reporters with lots of sources in the Redskin organization: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/mike-shanahan-hasnt-solved-washington-redskins-problems-during-uneven-tenure/2013/12/28/7df92930-6fd5-11e3-a523-fe73f0ff6b8d_story.html

What do you think?
I agree and I think his actions with RGIII, in game decisions the last few games etc would raise some flags too.

 
In his defense the team was in terrible cap shape when he got there and couldn't be major players in free agency. Then the RG3 trade gave up valuable picks they could of used to fill holes with.

 
I don't think anyone hires him. It seems teams are all trying to find the next up and coming young coach as the game has changed.

 
I don't think anyone hires him. It seems teams are all trying to find the next up and coming young coach as the game has changed.
The Bucs tried this twice and it didn't work out. I think they are actually going against the grain on this search and looking at guys with HC experience.

 
I don't think anyone should hire Shanahan, but all it takes is one team to be interested.

Obviously, Shanahans ultimate success in Denver had a lot to do with Elway and Terrell Davis. But secondary to that, the Broncos still maintained a really good offense and made the playoffs 4 times in seven years from 1999-2005 without Elway or Davis (he played through 2001 but was far less than he was due to injuries) but with Gary Kubiak as OC. After Kubiak left, Shanahan went 24-24 in Denver missing the playoffs all three years.

I am not a big fan of Shanahan based on the joke he became in Washington, and I think he has earned retirement from head coaching responsibilities in the NFL.

 
In his defense the team was in terrible cap shape when he got there and couldn't be major players in free agency. Then the RG3 trade gave up valuable picks they could of used to fill holes with.
I agree with the first part --- that the roster was in bad shape when he took over. But Shanahan approved the trade of the draft picks for Griffin, as he approved acquiring McNabb, Jamaal Brown, Atogwe, etc. Those are on him in my opinion.

 
Who says shanny wants another head coaching job in the NFL, he gets paid the balance of is contract, we see him on espn or something going forward

 
It seems teams are all trying to find the next up and coming young coach as the game has changed.
The game has changed, but Shanny's offense can still flourish. Look at Alfred Morris' success in the last two years. His version of the WCO can still dominate in the current NFL, with the right personnel.

He could still be an awesome OC somewhere, but the question is, can he swallow his ego and go back to being just an OC?

 
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In his defense the team was in terrible cap shape when he got there and couldn't be major players in free agency. Then the RG3 trade gave up valuable picks they could of used to fill holes with.
I agree with the first part --- that the roster was in bad shape when he took over. But Shanahan approved the trade of the draft picks for Griffin, as he approved acquiring McNabb, Jamaal Brown, Atogwe, etc. Those are on him in my opinion.
I thought I read a rumor or something about him wanting Tannenhill.

 
I don't see anyone bringing him in. 24-40 over the last 4 years. 1 playoff win in the last 15. What exactly has he done lately that says he should get another chance?

 
In his defense the team was in terrible cap shape when he got there and couldn't be major players in free agency. Then the RG3 trade gave up valuable picks they could of used to fill holes with.
I agree with the first part --- that the roster was in bad shape when he took over. But Shanahan approved the trade of the draft picks for Griffin, as he approved acquiring McNabb, Jamaal Brown, Atogwe, etc. Those are on him in my opinion.
I thought I read a rumor or something about him wanting Tannenhill.
There are lots of rumors. The article I linked in the first post covers him signing off on the Griffin trade.

 
Except for humiliating Haynesworth, I can't think of one positive thing Shanahan has done since he had a salary-cap-cheating roster in Denver. I think he's finished.

 
I believe Shanahan will not get another NFL head coaching job. There can be a lot of debate on the situation he took over and what he had to work with. But all indications are the Shanahan leaked the reports to the press and poisoned his relationships with RGIII and Snyder. That was Shanahan's preferred method of communication rather than talking to RGIII and Snyder.

I find it hard to any owner/GM to look past that and think hiring Shanahan would be a good idea.

I also think Shanahan has seriously hurt his chances of getting into the HOF.

 
Haslem specifically stated he wanted a proven winner. There aren't too many around. Lovie? I guess it could depend on how liberal your definition of proven winner was, but he'd at least to win multiple playoff games to be close to that description for me. I don't think he should be hired anywhere. He did his best to set fire to the Redskins at the end.

 
Except for humiliating Haynesworth, I can't think of one positive thing Shanahan has done since he had a salary-cap-cheating roster in Denver. I think he's finished.
With the Haynesworth fiasco it was hard not to feel good about a deadbeat player being humiliated. But it hurt the Redskins in a team sense, in that letting Haynesworth go early would have got them more in return for him than humiliating him and getting rid of him later. So in that instance I think Shanahan put himself above what was best for the team.

 
I don't think he gets hired again as a HC. It's pretty rare for someone over 60 to get hired, and his last two jobs have ended badly.

 
dhockster said:
I don't think anyone should hire Shanahan, but all it takes is one team to be interested.

Obviously, Shanahans ultimate success in Denver had a lot to do with Elway and Terrell Davis. But secondary to that, the Broncos still maintained a really good offense and made the playoffs 4 times in seven years from 1999-2005 without Elway or Davis (he played through 2001 but was far less than he was due to injuries) but with Gary Kubiak as OC. After Kubiak left, Shanahan went 24-24 in Denver missing the playoffs all three years.

I am not a big fan of Shanahan based on the joke he became in Washington, and I think he has earned retirement from head coaching responsibilities in the NFL.
I completely agree with all of this.

 
I definitely think he has hurt his HOF chances. Had he never coached again after 2008, he was a lock, but his reputation has been damaged severely by his tenure in Washington.

 
I definitely think he has hurt his HOF chances. Had he never coached again after 2008, he was a lock, but his reputation has been damaged severely by his tenure in Washington.
Agree, he should have stay retired then. Now he cannot retire, he need to prove himself all over again.

 
I definitely think he has hurt his HOF chances. Had he never coached again after 2008, he was a lock, but his reputation has been damaged severely by his tenure in Washington.
I personally don't think he was ever in any danger of being in the HOF in the first place. He's always been overrated. Well, not anymore, but up until a few years ago.

 
Shanahan's success in Denver was purely his WCO meshing perfectly with Alex Gibbs' zone blocking. Elway was a fine QB but what did he win before that? Any RB that lined up behind C had great success. NFL DC's caught up to this and none of them has succeeded since. He's an average wco coach who is not as good as Holmgren, Reid or McCarthy.

 
Marvelous said:
I believe Shanahan will not get another NFL head coaching job. There can be a lot of debate on the situation he took over and what he had to work with. But all indications are the Shanahan leaked the reports to the press and poisoned his relationships with RGIII and Snyder. That was Shanahan's preferred method of communication rather than talking to RGIII and Snyder.

I find it hard to any owner/GM to look past that and think hiring Shanahan would be a good idea.

I also think Shanahan has seriously hurt his chances of getting into the HOF.
My thoughts exactly. Whether what was leaked is true or not, he embarassed the owner, qb and himself. Nobody will touch him.

 
The Redskins have bad player management and have for quite some time. They need a new GM and maybe some scouts too.

RGIII was very different than last year. He is fascinating when he has his wheels.

Shanahan has struggled to field a top team. What he has had on offense, has often been better than expected. I don't know if he's done but I can see it for all the reasons stated above. Also, as with Shanny, I'm never impressed with his defense.

I still think he has a sharp offensive mind and could be invaluable as one of those consultant type assistant head coach jobs. He could have been a voice of reason for the Titans and Giants this past year. I couldn't stand Loggains offense and Eli wasn't Eli....it probably would have been nice to get an extra set of eyes analyzing the problem. Tom Moore has done this for 2 or 3 years now. Parcells always had one and IIRC Schotty did too.

Years after Dan Reeves flopped it was pointed out to me that he was using many of old Tom Landry's plays in his final games. I was surprised and watched again and heh that's kind of cool. His ego didn't lend to being a part time opinion. A super student of the game's Xs and Os he surely had the ability. I wonder where Shanny's ego will wind up and if he can be an advisor. This is "what's broken" and "here's our playbook in april whaddya think?" This is in no way a full time hands on gig I'm referring to.

 
The Redskins have bad player management and have for quite some time. They need a new GM
You realize they just got a new GM right? He's actually done a good job of player management so far in my opinion.

 
The Redskins have bad player management and have for quite some time. They need a new GM
You realize they just got a new GM right? He's actually done a good job of player management so far in my opinion.
There's no new GM. Bruce Allen has been the GM for the past 4 years. Shanny had full control over player selection, Allen negotiated their contracts and handled public relations matters. He's been good at both so he'll continue in that role. Although Allen now has final say over player selection as well, he's never been involved in that process and he knows it's not his strength, so he seems likely to defer those decisions to the player evaluators already on staff. Specifically Morocco Brown and Scott Campbell. It was strongly hinted that they've been making great assessments all along, but they've been overruled by Shanahan. Brown has been considered for GM positions at other teams so there's reason to believe there might be some truth in that.

http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/allen-will-have-final-say-redskins-personnel

 
I definitely think he has hurt his HOF chances. Had he never coached again after 2008, he was a lock, but his reputation has been damaged severely by his tenure in Washington.
I personally don't think he was ever in any danger of being in the HOF in the first place. He's always been overrated. Well, not anymore, but up until a few years ago.
Hogwash. When ESPN did that top 20 coaches of all-time back in the spring of last year, he was on the list at number 19. But this past season really hurt him, so I think if they did the list again, he wouldn't be on it.

 
To the OP, I don't think Shanahan was getting a lot of interviews prior to the Skins job. The 1st thing he did when he arrived in D.C was turn a civil war with Albert Haynesworth, maybe it was for the best but it definitely started polarizing a lot of folks. I think he was viewed as meddling behind the scenes when Zorn was in charge, he gets the job and gets into position, pretty much fumbles. he had given up in 2012 before they went on a tear and made the playoffs.

I agree with you that his skills have been shown for the worse in Washington.

 
If you want a look at how bad Shanahan's coaching staff was, and how people were hired mainly for their ability to "do it Mike's way" instead of skill, here you go.

http://httr24-7.com/blog/how-not-to-build-a-competent-nfl-coaching-staff-the-mike-shanahan-way/

It's pretty devastating.
that article is so poorly written and the logic isn't there on so many levels.

The Redskins fans I'm noticing talking are all as if they have this rocking great team. They don't-hence the GM comment I made earlier.

Oh so briefly not touching on the thousand points I want to-

The TE coach is fabulous-whomever they plug in there is an excellent player.

They have one WR, kudos to the WR coach for what he does with that corps.

Morris was a shock to many and that guy gives RB coach credit and...that's all good.

Raheem Morris same.

QB coach-geesh they had Rex Grossman-if that isn't a QB coach version of gee thanks, I don't know what player is. He made two 2nd year QBs good pros. That ain't bad at all.

London Fletcher is like 90 why is he still there?

Shanny did fine on offense, like every single Shanny team the defense left a lot to be desired. Thinking Fletcher and Haynesworth were key pieces...cmon. Did they draft a LB or DL? Nah they got cute and tried to turn a DE into an OLB and wound up with a guy that amassed a whopping one tackle this year.

How many WRs did they draft with all-world talent Josh Morgan on board as a key contributor? Zero.

People on these boards could fill needs and draft way better than they do

 
Shanny did fine on offense, like every single Shanny team the defense left a lot to be desired.
Well no, he didn't do fine on offense. One whole year with his chosen QB combination of John Beck and Rex Grossman. Three and half season with a subpar offensive line which he never paid adequate attention to. 4 years of subpar WR's with the exception of Garcon, and revolving WR coaches who couldn't coach because the OC (Shanahan's son) interfered with their jobs.

One year with a rookie QB and an offensive system the league wasn't used to yet was the extent of when Shanahan did fine on offense. And in the next year he saw fit to bench that QB to once again display how big his #### was.

 

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