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So who's on board the Mangini bandwagon (1 Viewer)

1. Fisher

2. Mangini

3. Payton

4. Juaron

5. Billick

I have no place for Schottenheimer for as good as he's been, you can make a pretty good case that the team might be undefeated if not for some of his decisions.

 
Colin Dowling said:
1. Fisher2. Mangini3. Payton4. Juaron5. BillickI have no place for Schottenheimer for as good as he's been, you can make a pretty good case that the team might be undefeated if not for some of his decisions.
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There are lots of deserving guys. If it was coach of the half year award, it would go to Fisher
 
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Pnishthm said:
Colin Dowling said:
1. Fisher2. Mangini3. Payton4. Juaron5. BillickI have no place for Schottenheimer for as good as he's been, you can make a pretty good case that the team might be undefeated if not for some of his decisions.
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There are lots of deseving guys. If it was coach of the half year award, it would go to Fisher
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He was good in the first half of the year too. I know he isn't going to win the award, but he's done a masterful job nonetheless. This team is 5 points from being 11-4 and winning the division.
 
I had the Jets pegged to top out at 4 wins this year. A first time coach, two first time coordinators, gimpy QB, no RB of any note, two rookies starters at the two most important OL positions.... it looked like a disaster. Instead it looks like they are headed for the playoffs.

There are a lot of good candidates that have already been listed, but I think Mangini has done more with less.

 
I think you have to like Mangini more than Fisher. They both came into messy situations, but Fisher had all the advantages of being the 2nd-longest tenured coach in the NFL. He had already built relationships with his vets, and had plenty of allies in the organization. He wasn't installing a new offense and defense.

Mangini came into a 4-way QB race, installed a new offense, switched to a 3-4 defense, lost the one offensive thing the Jets had going in future HoF RB Curtis Martin, and still came out swinging, beating Tennessee in the opener.

If the Jets beat Oakland and got to the playoffs at 10-6 in the AFC, I don't know how anyone but Mangini can win the job. I think we all agree that Payton is a sentimental choice b/ cof Katrina, but the fact is that the Saints had a lot going for them before the season started, and they got the gift of Reggie Bush, who transformed their offense (to say nothing of the lucky find of Marques Colston). With all that, they are still 10-5 in a much weaker NFC, only one game better than the Jets.

 
Despyzer said:
I had the Jets pegged to top out at 4 wins this year. A first time coach, two first time coordinators, gimpy QB, no RB of any note, two rookies starters at the two most important OL positions.... it looked like a disaster. Instead it looks like they are headed for the playoffs.There are a lot of good candidates that have already been listed, but I think Mangini has done more with less.
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:thumbup: Mangini if they win next week, but I wouldn't be upset if either Fisher or Payton got it.
 
Despyzer said:
I had the Jets pegged to top out at 4 wins this year. A first time coach, two first time coordinators, gimpy QB, no RB of any note, two rookies starters at the two most important OL positions.... it looked like a disaster. Instead it looks like they are headed for the playoffs.

There are a lot of good candidates that have already been listed, but I think Mangini has done more with less.
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Z-Dog said:
I think you have to like Mangini more than Fisher. They both came into messy situations, but Fisher had all the advantages of being the 2nd-longest tenured coach in the NFL. He had already built relationships with his vets, and had plenty of allies in the organization. He wasn't installing a new offense and defense.

Mangini came into a 4-way QB race, installed a new offense, switched to a 3-4 defense, lost the one offensive thing the Jets had going in future HoF RB Curtis Martin, and still came out swinging, beating Tennessee in the opener.

If the Jets beat Oakland and got to the playoffs at 10-6 in the AFC, I don't know how anyone but Mangini can win the job. I think we all agree that Payton is a sentimental choice b/ cof Katrina, but the fact is that the Saints had a lot going for them before the season started, and they got the gift of Reggie Bush, who transformed their offense (to say nothing of the lucky find of Marques Colston). With all that, they are still 10-5 in a much weaker NFC, only one game better than the Jets.
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:crazy: With 3 worthy candidates, I think the bolded point above will eliminate Fisher first. If the Jets make the playoffs, I think Mangini gets it. If not, I still think he deserves it more than Payton, but I could see Payton winning.

 
Z-Dog said:
I think you have to like Mangini more than Fisher. They both came into messy situations, but Fisher had all the advantages of being the 2nd-longest tenured coach in the NFL. He had already built relationships with his vets, and had plenty of allies in the organization. He wasn't installing a new offense and defense.Mangini came into a 4-way QB race, installed a new offense, switched to a 3-4 defense, lost the one offensive thing the Jets had going in future HoF RB Curtis Martin, and still came out swinging, beating Tennessee in the opener.If the Jets beat Oakland and got to the playoffs at 10-6 in the AFC, I don't know how anyone but Mangini can win the job. I think we all agree that Payton is a sentimental choice b/ cof Katrina, but the fact is that the Saints had a lot going for them before the season started, and they got the gift of Reggie Bush, who transformed their offense (to say nothing of the lucky find of Marques Colston). With all that, they are still 10-5 in a much weaker NFC, only one game better than the Jets.
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Weren't the Jets 10-6 just two years ago? They flopped last year because their franchise QB was lost for the season. I don't think the talent level is as bad as most are making it out to be.
 
I think Payton and Mangini have done equivelantly good jobs - Mangini had less to work with, so his team has come up a bit shorter than Payton's.

We are now used to the Saints winning games, but the Saints had the #2 overall pick and the Jets had the #4 for a reason -they both sucked out loud last year.

Simple fact is that Payton took his team further along the road to respectability, earlier in the year, after a worse 2005, than Mangini - beating Dallas sealed the deal on the award.

I think it is kind of funny that the three of the top four picks in the '06 draft are now sporting the three top COY candidates.

 
Despyzer said:
I had the Jets pegged to top out at 4 wins this year. A first time coach, two first time coordinators, gimpy QB, no RB of any note, two rookies starters at the two most important OL positions.... it looked like a disaster. Instead it looks like they are headed for the playoffs.There are a lot of good candidates that have already been listed, but I think Mangini has done more with less.
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I had them at 3-5 wins myself. I think he has done more with what appears to have been less going into the season than Payton has.ManginiPaytonFisher
 
Pnishthm said:
Z-Dog said:
I think you have to like Mangini more than Fisher. They both came into messy situations, but Fisher had all the advantages of being the 2nd-longest tenured coach in the NFL. He had already built relationships with his vets, and had plenty of allies in the organization. He wasn't installing a new offense and defense.Mangini came into a 4-way QB race, installed a new offense, switched to a 3-4 defense, lost the one offensive thing the Jets had going in future HoF RB Curtis Martin, and still came out swinging, beating Tennessee in the opener.If the Jets beat Oakland and got to the playoffs at 10-6 in the AFC, I don't know how anyone but Mangini can win the job. I think we all agree that Payton is a sentimental choice b/ cof Katrina, but the fact is that the Saints had a lot going for them before the season started, and they got the gift of Reggie Bush, who transformed their offense (to say nothing of the lucky find of Marques Colston). With all that, they are still 10-5 in a much weaker NFC, only one game better than the Jets.
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Weren't the Jets 10-6 just two years ago? They flopped last year because their franchise QB was lost for the season. I don't think the talent level is as bad as most are making it out to be.
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On the offensive side of the ball, they were in disarray before the season - their best offensive player was their center who departed to Tennessee.They were further along defensively than either the Titans or the Saints, but were further back offensively.
 
I think Fisher is top notch, but Payton is going to win this easily.

my top 5:

1. Payton

2. Fisher

3. Billick

4. Schottenheimer

5. Mangini

 
Mangini is a great coach, and has done a phenominal job, but the cupboard was hardly as bare as alot of people are making it out to be. While there were some very big question marks about the team, they had some very good players. Some rookies have made great contributions (Leon, Mangold, Ferguson) and some younger guys made huge strides (Thomas, Rhodes, Cotchery) Add in a few very solid FA pickups (Dyson, Van Olhoffen) and its not hard to see how the jets have had a good year. They could be a scary team next year.

Payton will probably win pretty easily.

 
Pnishthm said:
Z-Dog said:
I think you have to like Mangini more than Fisher. They both came into messy situations, but Fisher had all the advantages of being the 2nd-longest tenured coach in the NFL. He had already built relationships with his vets, and had plenty of allies in the organization. He wasn't installing a new offense and defense.Mangini came into a 4-way QB race, installed a new offense, switched to a 3-4 defense, lost the one offensive thing the Jets had going in future HoF RB Curtis Martin, and still came out swinging, beating Tennessee in the opener.If the Jets beat Oakland and got to the playoffs at 10-6 in the AFC, I don't know how anyone but Mangini can win the job. I think we all agree that Payton is a sentimental choice b/ cof Katrina, but the fact is that the Saints had a lot going for them before the season started, and they got the gift of Reggie Bush, who transformed their offense (to say nothing of the lucky find of Marques Colston). With all that, they are still 10-5 in a much weaker NFC, only one game better than the Jets.
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Weren't the Jets 10-6 just two years ago? They flopped last year because their franchise QB was lost for the season. I don't think the talent level is as bad as most are making it out to be.
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2 years ago, they had a HOF running back having a career season and one of the best offensive lines in football. Last year, the O-line got old quick and a rash of injuries lead to a complete meltdown. I'm with you on the last part - most Jets fans this year, while not expecting playoffs, had a good idea that this team would at least be competitive, seeing that the year prior to last season's meltdown, they were a 10-6 playoff team. It's just proof that just because your record sucks one year doesn't mean it's going to the next.But when you consider certain things going into this season, despite having some decent playmakers, this team was rolling with a revamped offensive line that included 2 rookie starters from day 1, a QB coming off of his second rotator cuff surgery, an IR'd Curtis Martin and no consistency at the running back position whatsoever, a first time head coach, O and D coordinator, and a complete switch in the defensive strategy. Taking all of these factors into account, and considering what the Jets have accomplished so far, you've got to give Mangini credit for being able to pull it all together and get the Jets to where they are at this point in the season. He's easily a top 3 COY, and the homer in me is saying he'll just barely edge Payton out for the award.
 
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I'd go with Payton.

Rookie first time Head Coach that takes a 3-13 team to a playoff bye week.

Has anybody else done that?

Plus the NFL/media will embrace the 'post-Katrina' story.

 
I've heard a couple say that Mangini doesn't deserve it over Payton because the Jets are only two years removed from a 10-6 season. The Saints were a respectable 8-8 (just barely missing the playoffs) that same year. The difference in the their records over the last three years is only one game.

 
JetsWillWin said:
I think Payton and Mangini are the only real candidates, and I think Payton is clearly the #1. Just my opinion.
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Agreed. The feel good, story book season the Saints have enjoyed after last years unprecedented season will result in a landslide for Payton but Mangini has done a great job and deserves to be part of the conversation. I'd say third on the list would be Fisher.
 
Pnishthm said:
Assani Fisher said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
I think Fisher is top notch, but Payton is going to win this easily.my top 5:1. Payton2. Fisher3. Billick4. Schottenheimer5. Mangini
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Payton WILL win it due to the circumstances in N.O. That doesn't mean he SHOULD win it.
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Dude, did you really pick Parcells as runner up in COY? He won't even be on the ballet.
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:lmao:Unless of course it is awarded for most bewildered sideline expression - in which case he's a contender with Mora Jr
 
Marc Levin said:
I think Payton and Mangini have done equivelantly good jobs - Mangini had less to work with, so his team has come up a bit shorter than Payton's.We are now used to the Saints winning games, but the Saints had the #2 overall pick and the Jets had the #4 for a reason -they both sucked out loud last year.Simple fact is that Payton took his team further along the road to respectability, earlier in the year, after a worse 2005, than Mangini - beating Dallas sealed the deal on the award.I think it is kind of funny that the three of the top four picks in the '06 draft are now sporting the three top COY candidates.
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Comparing to last season, Payton had Brees, Bush, McAllister, and Colston to work with that the Saints didn't have last year. I don't see that Mangini had a similar infusion of talent to work with compared to the previous season. I think Payton did a great job, but it seems to me he had a lot more to work with. As I said before, I think the vote between them could hinge on whether or not the Jets make the playoffs.
 
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Just Win Baby said:
Marc Levin said:
I think Payton and Mangini have done equivelantly good jobs - Mangini had less to work with, so his team has come up a bit shorter than Payton's.We are now used to the Saints winning games, but the Saints had the #2 overall pick and the Jets had the #4 for a reason -they both sucked out loud last year.Simple fact is that Payton took his team further along the road to respectability, earlier in the year, after a worse 2005, than Mangini - beating Dallas sealed the deal on the award.I think it is kind of funny that the three of the top four picks in the '06 draft are now sporting the three top COY candidates.
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Comparing to last season, Payton had Brees, Bush, McAllister, and Colston to work with that the Saints didn't have last year. I don't see that Mangini had a similar infusion of talent to work with compared to the previous season. I think Payton did a great job, but it seems to me he had a lot more to work with. As I said before, I think the vote between them could hinge on whether or not the Jets make the playoffs.
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Us fantasy guys tend to look at skill position players as the only source of talent. What about defense as well? Payton has done a great job with the D as well. He has lots of new faces on his roster and was able to bring them all together to gell into a solid ball club very quickly.
 
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