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[Larry Thomas]

This is an extension from DB's Assist (BS stat) thread.

CC suggested we track tonight’s Chicago/San Francisco game and compare. "In fact, just for the halibut, let's do this Thursday's game. Who's with me?" So far CC and I are in. Anyone else care to give it a ride?

I attached a Score sheet to assist. (pun intended)

IDP_Scoresheet.xls

 

[Kal]

It won't be until next week but I'll post the PFF report when we're done.

Be interesting to see what everyone comes up with.

 

[Sidewinder16]

This is an extension from DB's Assist (BS stat) thread.

CC suggested we track tonight’s Chicago/San Francisco game and compare. "In fact, just for the halibut, let's do this Thursday's game. Who's with me?" So far CC and I are in. Anyone else care to give it a ride?

I attached a Score sheet to assist. (pun intended)

IDP_Scoresheet.xls

I'm disappointed I can't join in, but in the interest of seeing good results from this, I would suggest laying out a specific definition for when a player will get scored with a tackle (solo) vs. when he just gets an assist. It might be good to define a QB hurry and a PD, as well.

 

[SkyRattlers]

This is an extension from DB's Assist (BS stat) thread.

CC suggested we track tonight’s Chicago/San Francisco game and compare. "In fact, just for the halibut, let's do this Thursday's game. Who's with me?" So far CC and I are in. Anyone else care to give it a ride?

I attached a Score sheet to assist. (pun intended)

IDP_Scoresheet.xls

I'm disappointed I can't join in, but in the interest of seeing good results from this, I would suggest laying out a specific definition for when a player will get scored with a tackle (solo) vs. when he just gets an assist. It might be good to define a QB hurry and a PD, as well.

I disagree. We shouldn't lay out any rules. Let people score it on their own. I think the results will be more interesting.I'm in BTW. It'll be a nice break from playing video games for the last three nights straight.

 

[Larry Thomas]

This is an extension from DB's Assist (BS stat) thread.

CC suggested we track tonight’s Chicago/San Francisco game and compare. "In fact, just for the halibut, let's do this Thursday's game. Who's with me?" So far CC and I are in. Anyone else care to give it a ride?

I attached a Score sheet to assist. (pun intended)

IDP_Scoresheet.xls

I'm disappointed I can't join in, but in the interest of seeing good results from this, I would suggest laying out a specific definition for when a player will get scored with a tackle (solo) vs. when he just gets an assist. It might be good to define a QB hurry and a PD, as well.

I thought it would be interesting to see how everyone scores it with out laying out parameters. Let each have his own definition of tackle, assist, PD, ect... I have in my mind what I feel they are, want to see how that stands up. QBH in IDP Scoresheet is for QB Hits.Maybe Kal can post the guidlines PFF uses.

 

[Sidewinder16]

This is an extension from DB's Assist (BS stat) thread.

CC suggested we track tonight’s Chicago/San Francisco game and compare. "In fact, just for the halibut, let's do this Thursday's game. Who's with me?" So far CC and I are in. Anyone else care to give it a ride?

I attached a Score sheet to assist. (pun intended)

IDP_Scoresheet.xls

I'm disappointed I can't join in, but in the interest of seeing good results from this, I would suggest laying out a specific definition for when a player will get scored with a tackle (solo) vs. when he just gets an assist. It might be good to define a QB hurry and a PD, as well.

I thought it would be interesting to see how everyone scores it with out laying out parameters. Let each have his own definition of tackle, assist, PD, ect... I have in my mind what I feel they are, want to see how that stands up. QBH in IDP Scoresheet is for QB Hits.Maybe Kal can post the guidlines PFF uses.

Hmm. I guess I misunderstood the reason for doing this then.So, what is the reason for doing this? Just to prove that you can get a dozen different scoring results from a dozen different people?

I would think the more interesting experiment would be to have everyone agree to terms and then score the games to see how different or similar it would be if everyone were on the same page. We already know scorekeepers in different stadiums are on different pages and therefore score differently.

 

[Jene Bramel]

For those interested in following the guidelines that the stadium stat crews are supposed to be following, here are my notes from the training video sent to all stat crews in 2007:

Out of Bounds Plays

* Award solo tackle if the defender contacts the ballcarrier before he steps out of bounds.

* Award solo tackle if the ballcarrier steps out of bounds to avoid imminent contact with defender.

* Do not award solo tackle if the ballcarrier's momentum carries him out of bounds before defender arrives.

* Do not award solo tackle when a ballcarrier runs out of bounds specifically to stop the clock.

Assisted Tackles

* Award assisted tackle if second defender materially shortens the duration of the play.

* Award two assisted tackles (and no solo tackle) if the ballcarrier is hit simultaneously by two defenders.

* Award two assisted tackles (and no solo tackle) if the first defender is unable to complete the tackle himself. This may be used in an "in the grasp" situation or a shared sack.

* Do not award assisted tackle if ballcarrier would have been tackled without contact from another defender. Players who pile on should not be awarded an assisted tackle.

* Do not award assisted (or solo) tackle if ballcarrier completely escapes the initial contact.

* Do not award assisted tackles on quarterback slides.

Passes Defensed

* An interception is a pass defensed (corollary to a sack is a solo tackle, half-sack is an assisted tackle).

* Award a pass defensed if a defender bats down a catchable ball.

* Award a pass defensed if a defender bats a ball down at the line of scrimmage while playing the pass.

* Award a pass defensed if a defender jars the ball loose and prevents a reception.

* Do not award a pass defensed if a ball is uncatchable, including situations where a ball is caught but the receiver is deemed out of bounds.

* Do not award a pass defensed if a pass rusher inadvertently causes an incomplete pass in the process of rushing the passer.

* Two passes defensed may be awarded if a pass is deflected by one defender then intercepted by a different defender.

 

[jpeace121]

Would love to, but I'll be on the road tonight. Count me in if we do it again in the future.

 

[Larry Thomas]

This is an extension from DB's Assist (BS stat) thread.

CC suggested we track tonight’s Chicago/San Francisco game and compare. "In fact, just for the halibut, let's do this Thursday's game. Who's with me?" So far CC and I are in. Anyone else care to give it a ride?

I attached a Score sheet to assist. (pun intended)

IDP_Scoresheet.xls

I'm disappointed I can't join in, but in the interest of seeing good results from this, I would suggest laying out a specific definition for when a player will get scored with a tackle (solo) vs. when he just gets an assist. It might be good to define a QB hurry and a PD, as well.

I thought it would be interesting to see how everyone scores it with out laying out parameters. Let each have his own definition of tackle, assist, PD, ect... I have in my mind what I feel they are, want to see how that stands up. QBH in IDP Scoresheet is for QB Hits.Maybe Kal can post the guidlines PFF uses.

Hmm. I guess I misunderstood the reason for doing this then.So, what is the reason for doing this? Just to prove that you can get a dozen different scoring results from a dozen different people?

I would think the more interesting experiment would be to have everyone agree to terms and then score the games to see how different or similar it would be if everyone were on the same page. We already know scorekeepers in different stadiums are on different pages and therefore score differently.

I wasn't really looking at it as a training excercise so-to-speak, but more of a what do you think you know. There may be some folks out there who feel they're getting shafted, when come to find out, they are scoring incorrectly. Then I thought later we could do a game with gudelines and such. Basically an excercise in comparing your stats against NFL.com and others. with what you think you know.

 

[Sidewinder16]

I wasn't really looking at it as a training excercise so-to-speak, but more of a what do you think you know. There may be some folks out there who feel they're getting shafted, when come to find out, they are scoring incorrectly. Then I thought later we could do a game with gudelines and such. Basically an excercise in comparing your stats against NFL.com and others. with what you think you know.

Ah, I get it now. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Larry Thomas]

No problem Sidewinder. I'm going to score this on what I think a tackle, assist, ect... is.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I know this was my idea, but I just got home, have a major assignment for the fifth grade do tomorrow and a sick kid and just started dinner. I know I only missed a couple series but I haven't set this to record. I'm doubting whether I want to watch it twice. So I will enjoy reading your results and pick another game. Cowboys Packers may be worth watching twice for me. Cincy Pittsburgh sounds fun. Maybe Bramel and I can do that one.

 

[SkyRattlers]

Never in my life have I paid this close of attention to a football game.

 

[Larry Thomas]

Every IDPer should do this at least once, a little tougher than what ya think. Difficult to see everything from the tube. I'm used to keying on one or two IDPs.

I attached spredsheet with my results and NFL.com. I was a little light with total tackles for SF, pretty much right on with Chicago. From these eyes Briggs was slighted.

Had key in error on Roman and forgot to sort SF on my sheet... try this again

IDP_Scoresheet.xls

Update: after a second look I'm not as close with Chicago as I thought, little light with them also. Never seen Corey Graham in on any tackles, maybe I'm missed a play or two feedin my face, or I credited #31 Vasher instead of #21 Graham. BTW stats do not include special teams on mine or NFL.com. Curious to see what others had for Briggs.

 

[trader jake]

Curious to see what others had for Briggs.

A buddy in my league said he thought Briggs was slighted a bit as well. He wasn't tracking every play like some of you (great idea BTW) but he felt a couple of those assists credited to Briggs should have been tackles.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Curious to see what others had for Briggs.

A buddy in my league said he thought Briggs was slighted a bit as well. He wasn't tracking every play like some of you (great idea BTW) but he felt a couple of those assists credited to Briggs should have been tackles.

I saw a play where Hillenmeyer got there first and Briggs finished it. It made me think of this project. It looked like Gore may have escaped Hunter had Briggs not got there. Who's tackle is it? These are just impossible to call. They scored it a solo for HH and an assist for Briggs. It could be argued either way, but I agree with that call. If you go to the other thread, I suggest watching a recorded game with the play by play open, read the upcoming play before it happens, and then judge the scoring. Rewind and pause are helpful too. Trying to score it yourself is a challenge I think would get the best of me after a quarter or so. If you're in the stadium you have advantages over tv cameras, although both would be best.