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Soldiers Told to Ignore Sexual Abuse of Boys by Afghan Allies (1 Viewer)

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KABUL, Afghanistan — In his last phone call home, Lance Cpl. Gregory Buckley Jr. told his father what was troubling him: From his bunk in southern Afghanistan, he could hear Afghan police officers sexually abusing boys they had brought to the base.

“At night we can hear them screaming, but we’re not allowed to do anything about it,” the Marine’s father, Gregory Buckley Sr., recalled his son telling him before he was shot to death at the base in 2012. He urged his son to tell his superiors. “My son said that his officers told him to look the other way because it’s their culture.”

Rampant sexual abuse of children has long been a problem in Afghanistan, particularly among armed commanders who dominate much of the rural landscape and can bully the population. The practice is called bacha bazi, literally “boy play,” and American soldiers and Marines have been instructed not to intervene — in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records.

The policy has endured as American forces have recruited and organized Afghan militias to help hold territory against the Taliban. But soldiers and Marines have been increasingly troubled that instead of weeding out pedophiles, the American military was arming them in some cases and placing them as the commanders of villages — and doing little when they began abusing children.

“The reason we were here is because we heard the terrible things the Taliban were doing to people, how they were taking away human rights,” said Dan Quinn, a former Special Forces captain who beat up an American-backed militia commander for keeping a boy chained to his bed as a sex slave. “But we were putting people into power who would do things that were worse than the Taliban did — that was something village elders voiced to me.”

The policy of instructing soldiers to ignore child sexual abuse by their Afghan allies is coming under new scrutiny, particularly as it emerges that service members like Captain Quinn have faced discipline, even career ruin, for disobeying it.

After the beating, the Army relieved Captain Quinn of his command and pulled him from Afghanistan. He has since left the military.

Four years later, the Army is also trying to forcibly retire Sgt. First Class Charles Martland, a Special Forces member who joined Captain Quinn in beating up the commander.

“The Army contends that Martland and others should have looked the other way (a contention that I believe is nonsense),” Representative Duncan Hunter, a California Republican who hopes to save Sergeant Martland’s career, wrote last week to the Pentagon’s inspector general.

In Sergeant Martland’s case, the Army said it could not comment because of the Privacy Act.

When asked about American military policy, the spokesman for the American command in Afghanistan, Col. Brian Tribus, wrote in an email: “Generally, allegations of child sexual abuse by Afghan military or police personnel would be a matter of domestic Afghan criminal law.” He added that “there would be no express requirement that U.S. military personnel in Afghanistan report it.” An exception, he said, is when rape is being used as a weapon of war.

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The American policy of nonintervention is intended to maintain good relations with the Afghan police and militia units the United States has trained to fight the Taliban. It also reflects a reluctance to impose cultural values in a country where pederasty is rife, particularly among powerful men, for whom being surrounded by young teenagers can be a mark of social status.

Some soldiers believed that the policy made sense, even if they were personally distressed at the sexual predation they witnessed or heard about.

“The bigger picture was fighting the Taliban,” a former Marine lance corporal reflected. “It wasn’t to stop molestation.”

Still, the former lance corporal, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid offending fellow Marines, recalled feeling sickened the day he entered a room on a base and saw three or four men lying on the floor with children between them. “I’m not a hundred percent sure what was happening under the sheet, but I have a pretty good idea of what was going on,” he said.

But the American policy of treating child sexual abuse as a cultural issue has often alienated the villages whose children are being preyed upon. The pitfalls of the policy emerged clearly as American Special Forces soldiers began to form Afghan Local Police militias to hold villages that American forces had retaken from the Taliban in 2010 and 2011.

By the summer of 2011, Captain Quinn and Sergeant Martland, both Green Berets on their second tour in northern Kunduz Province, began to receive dire complaints about the Afghan Local Police units they were training and supporting.

First, they were told, one of the militia commanders raped a 14- or 15-year-old girl whom he had spotted working in the fields. Captain Quinn informed the provincial police chief, who soon levied punishment. “He got one day in jail, and then she was forced to marry him,” Mr. Quinn said.

When he asked a superior officer what more he could do, he was told that he had done well to bring it up with local officials but that there was nothing else to be done. “We’re being praised for doing the right thing, and a guy just got away with raping a 14-year-old girl,” Mr. Quinn said.

Village elders grew more upset at the predatory behavior of American-backed commanders. After each case, Captain Quinn would gather the Afghan commanders and lecture them on human rights.

Soon another commander absconded with his men’s wages. Mr. Quinn said he later heard that the commander had spent the money on dancing boys. Another commander murdered his 12-year-old daughter in a so-called honor killing for having kissed a boy. “There were no repercussions,” Mr. Quinn recalled.

In September 2011, an Afghan woman, visibly bruised, showed up at an American base with her son, who was limping. One of the Afghan police commanders in the area, Abdul Rahman, had abducted the boy and forced him to become a sex slave, chained to his bed, the woman explained. When she sought her son’s return, she herself was beaten. Her son had eventually been released, but she was afraid it would happen again, she told the Americans on the base.

She explained that because “her son was such a good-looking kid, he was a status symbol” coveted by local commanders, recalled Mr. Quinn, who did not speak to the woman directly but was told about her visit when he returned to the base from a mission later that day.

So Captain Quinn summoned Abdul Rahman and confronted him about what he had done. The police commander acknowledged that it was true, but brushed it off. When the American officer began to lecture about “how you are held to a higher standard if you are working with U.S. forces, and people expect more of you,” the commander began to laugh.

“I picked him up and threw him onto the ground,” Mr. Quinn said. Sergeant Martland joined in, he said. “I did this to make sure the message was understood that if he went back to the boy, that it was not going to be tolerated,” Mr. Quinn recalled.

There is disagreement over the extent of the commander’s injuries. Mr. Quinn said they were not serious, which was corroborated by an Afghan official who saw the commander afterward.

(The commander, Abdul Rahman, was killed two years ago in a Taliban ambush. His brother said in an interview that his brother had never raped the boy, but was the victim of a false accusation engineered by his enemies.)

Sergeant Martland, who received a Bronze Star for valor for his actions during a Taliban ambush, wrote in a letter to the Army this year that he and Mr. Quinn “felt that morally we could no longer stand by and allow our A.L.P. to commit atrocities,” referring to the Afghan Local Police.

The father of Lance Corporal Buckley believes the policy of looking away from sexual abuse was a factor in his son’s death, and he has filed a lawsuit to press the Marine Corps for more information about it.

Lance Corporal Buckley and two other Marines were killed in 2012 by one of a large entourage of boys living at their base with an Afghan police commander named Sarwar Jan.

Mr. Jan had long had a bad reputation; in 2010, two Marine officers managed to persuade the Afghan authorities to arrest him following a litany of abuses, including corruption, support for the Taliban and child abduction. But just two years later, the police commander was back with a different unit, working at Lance Corporal Buckley’s post, Forward Operating Base Delhi, in Helmand Province.

Lance Corporal Buckley had noticed that a large entourage of “tea boys” — domestic servants who are sometimes pressed into sexual slavery — had arrived with Mr. Jan and moved into the same barracks, one floor below the Marines. He told his father about it during his final call home.

Word of Mr. Jan’s new position also reached the Marine officers who had gotten him arrested in 2010. One of them, Maj. Jason Brezler, dashed out an email to Marine officers at F.O.B. Delhi, warning them about Mr. Jan and attaching a dossier about him.

The warning was never heeded. About two weeks later, one of the older boys with Mr. Jan — around 17 years old — grabbed a rifle and killed Lance Corporal Buckley and the other Marines.

Lance Corporal Buckley’s father still agonizes about whether the killing occurred because of the sexual abuse by an American ally. “As far as the young boys are concerned, the Marines are allowing it to happen and so they’re guilty by association,” Mr. Buckley said. “They don’t know our Marines are sick to their stomachs.”

The one American service member who was punished in the investigation that followed was Major Brezler, who had sent the email warning about Mr. Jan, his lawyers said. In one of Major Brezler’s hearings, Marine Corps lawyers warned that information about the police commander’s penchant for abusing boys might be classified. The Marine Corps has initiated proceedings to discharge Major Brezler.

Mr. Jan appears to have moved on, to a higher-ranking police command in the same province. In an interview, he denied keeping boys as sex slaves or having any relationship with the boy who killed the three Marines. “No, it’s all untrue,” Mr. Jan said. But people who know him say he still suffers from “a toothache problem,” a euphemism here for child sexual abuse.
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I am both saddened and disgusted. You know maybe we can't stop it in the villages but it has no place on an American military base happening under our nose. And in the ultimate irony under the Taliban this had largely been stopped. Because to do so was a death sentence and they enforced it. So the Taliban actually was morally superior to the US military on this issue.

 
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Couldn't agree more. American soldiers should not be standing by while this is happening, especially on a military base.

 
Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs. -James Napier
That's a British functionary in India responding to angry Hindu priests. The Hindus had a practice where when a man died, his widow was tied to his funeral pyre and burned alive.

Seems like the appropriate response to me.

 
Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs. -James Napier
That's a British functionary in India responding to angry Hindu priests. The Hindus had a practice where when a man died, his widow was tied to his funeral pyre and burned alive.

Seems like the appropriate response to me.
I'm not a violent man by nature but I can't imagine listening to children being raped and doing nothing. And I think anything I did would be real violent.

 
KABUL, Afghanistan — In his last phone call home, Lance Cpl. Gregory Buckley Jr. told his father what was troubling him: From his bunk in southern Afghanistan, he could hear Afghan police officers sexually abusing boys they had brought to the base.

“At night we can hear them screaming, but we’re not allowed to do anything about it,” the Marine’s father, Gregory Buckley Sr., recalled his son telling him before he was shot to death at the base in 2012. He urged his son to tell his superiors. “My son said that his officers told him to look the other way because it’s their culture.”

Rampant sexual abuse of children has long been a problem in Afghanistan, particularly among armed commanders who dominate much of the rural landscape and can bully the population. The practice is called bacha bazi, literally “boy play,” and American soldiers and Marines have been instructed not to intervene — in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records.

The policy has endured as American forces have recruited and organized Afghan militias to help hold territory against the Taliban. But soldiers and Marines have been increasingly troubled that instead of weeding out pedophiles, the American military was arming them in some cases and placing them as the commanders of villages — and doing little when they began abusing children.

“The reason we were here is because we heard the terrible things the Taliban were doing to people, how they were taking away human rights,” said Dan Quinn, a former Special Forces captain who beat up an American-backed militia commander for keeping a boy chained to his bed as a sex slave. “But we were putting people into power who would do things that were worse than the Taliban did — that was something village elders voiced to me.”

The policy of instructing soldiers to ignore child sexual abuse by their Afghan allies is coming under new scrutiny, particularly as it emerges that service members like Captain Quinn have faced discipline, even career ruin, for disobeying it.

After the beating, the Army relieved Captain Quinn of his command and pulled him from Afghanistan. He has since left the military.

Four years later, the Army is also trying to forcibly retire Sgt. First Class Charles Martland, a Special Forces member who joined Captain Quinn in beating up the commander.

“The Army contends that Martland and others should have looked the other way (a contention that I believe is nonsense),” Representative Duncan Hunter, a California Republican who hopes to save Sergeant Martland’s career, wrote last week to the Pentagon’s inspector general.

In Sergeant Martland’s case, the Army said it could not comment because of the Privacy Act.

When asked about American military policy, the spokesman for the American command in Afghanistan, Col. Brian Tribus, wrote in an email: “Generally, allegations of child sexual abuse by Afghan military or police personnel would be a matter of domestic Afghan criminal law.” He added that “there would be no express requirement that U.S. military personnel in Afghanistan report it.” An exception, he said, is when rape is being used as a weapon of war.

Advertisement
The American policy of nonintervention is intended to maintain good relations with the Afghan police and militia units the United States has trained to fight the Taliban. It also reflects a reluctance to impose cultural values in a country where pederasty is rife, particularly among powerful men, for whom being surrounded by young teenagers can be a mark of social status.

Some soldiers believed that the policy made sense, even if they were personally distressed at the sexual predation they witnessed or heard about.

“The bigger picture was fighting the Taliban,” a former Marine lance corporal reflected. “It wasn’t to stop molestation.”

Still, the former lance corporal, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid offending fellow Marines, recalled feeling sickened the day he entered a room on a base and saw three or four men lying on the floor with children between them. “I’m not a hundred percent sure what was happening under the sheet, but I have a pretty good idea of what was going on,” he said.

But the American policy of treating child sexual abuse as a cultural issue has often alienated the villages whose children are being preyed upon. The pitfalls of the policy emerged clearly as American Special Forces soldiers began to form Afghan Local Police militias to hold villages that American forces had retaken from the Taliban in 2010 and 2011.

By the summer of 2011, Captain Quinn and Sergeant Martland, both Green Berets on their second tour in northern Kunduz Province, began to receive dire complaints about the Afghan Local Police units they were training and supporting.

First, they were told, one of the militia commanders raped a 14- or 15-year-old girl whom he had spotted working in the fields. Captain Quinn informed the provincial police chief, who soon levied punishment. “He got one day in jail, and then she was forced to marry him,” Mr. Quinn said.

When he asked a superior officer what more he could do, he was told that he had done well to bring it up with local officials but that there was nothing else to be done. “We’re being praised for doing the right thing, and a guy just got away with raping a 14-year-old girl,” Mr. Quinn said.

Village elders grew more upset at the predatory behavior of American-backed commanders. After each case, Captain Quinn would gather the Afghan commanders and lecture them on human rights.

Soon another commander absconded with his men’s wages. Mr. Quinn said he later heard that the commander had spent the money on dancing boys. Another commander murdered his 12-year-old daughter in a so-called honor killing for having kissed a boy. “There were no repercussions,” Mr. Quinn recalled.

In September 2011, an Afghan woman, visibly bruised, showed up at an American base with her son, who was limping. One of the Afghan police commanders in the area, Abdul Rahman, had abducted the boy and forced him to become a sex slave, chained to his bed, the woman explained. When she sought her son’s return, she herself was beaten. Her son had eventually been released, but she was afraid it would happen again, she told the Americans on the base.

She explained that because “her son was such a good-looking kid, he was a status symbol” coveted by local commanders, recalled Mr. Quinn, who did not speak to the woman directly but was told about her visit when he returned to the base from a mission later that day.

So Captain Quinn summoned Abdul Rahman and confronted him about what he had done. The police commander acknowledged that it was true, but brushed it off. When the American officer began to lecture about “how you are held to a higher standard if you are working with U.S. forces, and people expect more of you,” the commander began to laugh.

“I picked him up and threw him onto the ground,” Mr. Quinn said. Sergeant Martland joined in, he said. “I did this to make sure the message was understood that if he went back to the boy, that it was not going to be tolerated,” Mr. Quinn recalled.

There is disagreement over the extent of the commander’s injuries. Mr. Quinn said they were not serious, which was corroborated by an Afghan official who saw the commander afterward.

(The commander, Abdul Rahman, was killed two years ago in a Taliban ambush. His brother said in an interview that his brother had never raped the boy, but was the victim of a false accusation engineered by his enemies.)

Sergeant Martland, who received a Bronze Star for valor for his actions during a Taliban ambush, wrote in a letter to the Army this year that he and Mr. Quinn “felt that morally we could no longer stand by and allow our A.L.P. to commit atrocities,” referring to the Afghan Local Police.

The father of Lance Corporal Buckley believes the policy of looking away from sexual abuse was a factor in his son’s death, and he has filed a lawsuit to press the Marine Corps for more information about it.

Lance Corporal Buckley and two other Marines were killed in 2012 by one of a large entourage of boys living at their base with an Afghan police commander named Sarwar Jan.

Mr. Jan had long had a bad reputation; in 2010, two Marine officers managed to persuade the Afghan authorities to arrest him following a litany of abuses, including corruption, support for the Taliban and child abduction. But just two years later, the police commander was back with a different unit, working at Lance Corporal Buckley’s post, Forward Operating Base Delhi, in Helmand Province.

Lance Corporal Buckley had noticed that a large entourage of “tea boys” — domestic servants who are sometimes pressed into sexual slavery — had arrived with Mr. Jan and moved into the same barracks, one floor below the Marines. He told his father about it during his final call home.

Word of Mr. Jan’s new position also reached the Marine officers who had gotten him arrested in 2010. One of them, Maj. Jason Brezler, dashed out an email to Marine officers at F.O.B. Delhi, warning them about Mr. Jan and attaching a dossier about him.

The warning was never heeded. About two weeks later, one of the older boys with Mr. Jan — around 17 years old — grabbed a rifle and killed Lance Corporal Buckley and the other Marines.

Lance Corporal Buckley’s father still agonizes about whether the killing occurred because of the sexual abuse by an American ally. “As far as the young boys are concerned, the Marines are allowing it to happen and so they’re guilty by association,” Mr. Buckley said. “They don’t know our Marines are sick to their stomachs.”

The one American service member who was punished in the investigation that followed was Major Brezler, who had sent the email warning about Mr. Jan, his lawyers said. In one of Major Brezler’s hearings, Marine Corps lawyers warned that information about the police commander’s penchant for abusing boys might be classified. The Marine Corps has initiated proceedings to discharge Major Brezler.

Mr. Jan appears to have moved on, to a higher-ranking police command in the same province. In an interview, he denied keeping boys as sex slaves or having any relationship with the boy who killed the three Marines. “No, it’s all untrue,” Mr. Jan said. But people who know him say he still suffers from “a toothache problem,” a euphemism here for child sexual abuse.
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I am both saddened and disgusted. You know maybe we can't stop it in the villages but it has no place on an American military base happening under our nose. And in the ultimate irony under the Taliban this had largely been stopped. Because to do so was a death sentence and they enforced it. So the Taliban actually was morally superior to the US military on this issue.
Hmmm, I'm conflicted.

On the one hand, I do think we need a large international military coalition to stamp out ISIS.

On the other hand, #### like this makes me think the middle east is hell on earth and no one from a civilized society has any business being there, let alone trying to influence the country or culture.

Gutwise I think this "policy" should be immediately stopped, any Afghan "ally" found abusing boys castrated publicly and left to bleed out in the sand. And someone please forward the ####### memo to the idiots at the Republican debate who think we need to depose Assad. The only thing that stands between this ### of the earth and absolute, true hell on earth are brutal ####### dictators. Anyone who disagrees please explain why ISIS did not materialize until we removed Saddam.

 
KABUL, Afghanistan — In his last phone call home, Lance Cpl. Gregory Buckley Jr. told his father what was troubling him: From his bunk in southern Afghanistan, he could hear Afghan police officers sexually abusing boys they had brought to the base.

“At night we can hear them screaming, but we’re not allowed to do anything about it,” the Marine’s father, Gregory Buckley Sr., recalled his son telling him before he was shot to death at the base in 2012. He urged his son to tell his superiors. “My son said that his officers told him to look the other way because it’s their culture.”

Rampant sexual abuse of children has long been a problem in Afghanistan, particularly among armed commanders who dominate much of the rural landscape and can bully the population. The practice is called bacha bazi, literally “boy play,” and American soldiers and Marines have been instructed not to intervene — in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records.

The policy has endured as American forces have recruited and organized Afghan militias to help hold territory against the Taliban. But soldiers and Marines have been increasingly troubled that instead of weeding out pedophiles, the American military was arming them in some cases and placing them as the commanders of villages — and doing little when they began abusing children.

“The reason we were here is because we heard the terrible things the Taliban were doing to people, how they were taking away human rights,” said Dan Quinn, a former Special Forces captain who beat up an American-backed militia commander for keeping a boy chained to his bed as a sex slave. “But we were putting people into power who would do things that were worse than the Taliban did — that was something village elders voiced to me.”

The policy of instructing soldiers to ignore child sexual abuse by their Afghan allies is coming under new scrutiny, particularly as it emerges that service members like Captain Quinn have faced discipline, even career ruin, for disobeying it.

After the beating, the Army relieved Captain Quinn of his command and pulled him from Afghanistan. He has since left the military.

Four years later, the Army is also trying to forcibly retire Sgt. First Class Charles Martland, a Special Forces member who joined Captain Quinn in beating up the commander.

“The Army contends that Martland and others should have looked the other way (a contention that I believe is nonsense),” Representative Duncan Hunter, a California Republican who hopes to save Sergeant Martland’s career, wrote last week to the Pentagon’s inspector general.

In Sergeant Martland’s case, the Army said it could not comment because of the Privacy Act.

When asked about American military policy, the spokesman for the American command in Afghanistan, Col. Brian Tribus, wrote in an email: “Generally, allegations of child sexual abuse by Afghan military or police personnel would be a matter of domestic Afghan criminal law.” He added that “there would be no express requirement that U.S. military personnel in Afghanistan report it.” An exception, he said, is when rape is being used as a weapon of war.

Advertisement
The American policy of nonintervention is intended to maintain good relations with the Afghan police and militia units the United States has trained to fight the Taliban. It also reflects a reluctance to impose cultural values in a country where pederasty is rife, particularly among powerful men, for whom being surrounded by young teenagers can be a mark of social status.

Some soldiers believed that the policy made sense, even if they were personally distressed at the sexual predation they witnessed or heard about.

“The bigger picture was fighting the Taliban,” a former Marine lance corporal reflected. “It wasn’t to stop molestation.”

Still, the former lance corporal, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid offending fellow Marines, recalled feeling sickened the day he entered a room on a base and saw three or four men lying on the floor with children between them. “I’m not a hundred percent sure what was happening under the sheet, but I have a pretty good idea of what was going on,” he said.

But the American policy of treating child sexual abuse as a cultural issue has often alienated the villages whose children are being preyed upon. The pitfalls of the policy emerged clearly as American Special Forces soldiers began to form Afghan Local Police militias to hold villages that American forces had retaken from the Taliban in 2010 and 2011.

By the summer of 2011, Captain Quinn and Sergeant Martland, both Green Berets on their second tour in northern Kunduz Province, began to receive dire complaints about the Afghan Local Police units they were training and supporting.

First, they were told, one of the militia commanders raped a 14- or 15-year-old girl whom he had spotted working in the fields. Captain Quinn informed the provincial police chief, who soon levied punishment. “He got one day in jail, and then she was forced to marry him,” Mr. Quinn said.

When he asked a superior officer what more he could do, he was told that he had done well to bring it up with local officials but that there was nothing else to be done. “We’re being praised for doing the right thing, and a guy just got away with raping a 14-year-old girl,” Mr. Quinn said.

Village elders grew more upset at the predatory behavior of American-backed commanders. After each case, Captain Quinn would gather the Afghan commanders and lecture them on human rights.

Soon another commander absconded with his men’s wages. Mr. Quinn said he later heard that the commander had spent the money on dancing boys. Another commander murdered his 12-year-old daughter in a so-called honor killing for having kissed a boy. “There were no repercussions,” Mr. Quinn recalled.

In September 2011, an Afghan woman, visibly bruised, showed up at an American base with her son, who was limping. One of the Afghan police commanders in the area, Abdul Rahman, had abducted the boy and forced him to become a sex slave, chained to his bed, the woman explained. When she sought her son’s return, she herself was beaten. Her son had eventually been released, but she was afraid it would happen again, she told the Americans on the base.

She explained that because “her son was such a good-looking kid, he was a status symbol” coveted by local commanders, recalled Mr. Quinn, who did not speak to the woman directly but was told about her visit when he returned to the base from a mission later that day.

So Captain Quinn summoned Abdul Rahman and confronted him about what he had done. The police commander acknowledged that it was true, but brushed it off. When the American officer began to lecture about “how you are held to a higher standard if you are working with U.S. forces, and people expect more of you,” the commander began to laugh.

“I picked him up and threw him onto the ground,” Mr. Quinn said. Sergeant Martland joined in, he said. “I did this to make sure the message was understood that if he went back to the boy, that it was not going to be tolerated,” Mr. Quinn recalled.

There is disagreement over the extent of the commander’s injuries. Mr. Quinn said they were not serious, which was corroborated by an Afghan official who saw the commander afterward.

(The commander, Abdul Rahman, was killed two years ago in a Taliban ambush. His brother said in an interview that his brother had never raped the boy, but was the victim of a false accusation engineered by his enemies.)

Sergeant Martland, who received a Bronze Star for valor for his actions during a Taliban ambush, wrote in a letter to the Army this year that he and Mr. Quinn “felt that morally we could no longer stand by and allow our A.L.P. to commit atrocities,” referring to the Afghan Local Police.

The father of Lance Corporal Buckley believes the policy of looking away from sexual abuse was a factor in his son’s death, and he has filed a lawsuit to press the Marine Corps for more information about it.

Lance Corporal Buckley and two other Marines were killed in 2012 by one of a large entourage of boys living at their base with an Afghan police commander named Sarwar Jan.

Mr. Jan had long had a bad reputation; in 2010, two Marine officers managed to persuade the Afghan authorities to arrest him following a litany of abuses, including corruption, support for the Taliban and child abduction. But just two years later, the police commander was back with a different unit, working at Lance Corporal Buckley’s post, Forward Operating Base Delhi, in Helmand Province.

Lance Corporal Buckley had noticed that a large entourage of “tea boys” — domestic servants who are sometimes pressed into sexual slavery — had arrived with Mr. Jan and moved into the same barracks, one floor below the Marines. He told his father about it during his final call home.

Word of Mr. Jan’s new position also reached the Marine officers who had gotten him arrested in 2010. One of them, Maj. Jason Brezler, dashed out an email to Marine officers at F.O.B. Delhi, warning them about Mr. Jan and attaching a dossier about him.

The warning was never heeded. About two weeks later, one of the older boys with Mr. Jan — around 17 years old — grabbed a rifle and killed Lance Corporal Buckley and the other Marines.

Lance Corporal Buckley’s father still agonizes about whether the killing occurred because of the sexual abuse by an American ally. “As far as the young boys are concerned, the Marines are allowing it to happen and so they’re guilty by association,” Mr. Buckley said. “They don’t know our Marines are sick to their stomachs.”

The one American service member who was punished in the investigation that followed was Major Brezler, who had sent the email warning about Mr. Jan, his lawyers said. In one of Major Brezler’s hearings, Marine Corps lawyers warned that information about the police commander’s penchant for abusing boys might be classified. The Marine Corps has initiated proceedings to discharge Major Brezler.

Mr. Jan appears to have moved on, to a higher-ranking police command in the same province. In an interview, he denied keeping boys as sex slaves or having any relationship with the boy who killed the three Marines. “No, it’s all untrue,” Mr. Jan said. But people who know him say he still suffers from “a toothache problem,” a euphemism here for child sexual abuse.
NYT

I am both saddened and disgusted. You know maybe we can't stop it in the villages but it has no place on an American military base happening under our nose. And in the ultimate irony under the Taliban this had largely been stopped. Because to do so was a death sentence and they enforced it. So the Taliban actually was morally superior to the US military on this issue.
Hmmm, I'm conflicted.

On the one hand, I do think we need a large international military coalition to stamp out ISIS.

On the other hand, #### like this makes me think the middle east is hell on earth and no one from a civilized society has any business being there, let alone trying to influence the country or culture.

Gutwise I think this "policy" should be immediately stopped, any Afghan "ally" found abusing boys castrated publicly and left to bleed out in the sand. And someone please forward the ####### memo to the idiots at the Republican debate who think we need to depose Assad. The only thing that stands between this ### of the earth and absolute, true hell on earth are brutal ####### dictators. Anyone who disagrees please explain why ISIS did not materialize until we removed Saddam.
Actually the generals running ISIS are the Baathist commanders we ran out of the Iraqi army when we took over Iraq.

 
That doesn't change the overall picture. Career soldiers will find a war. Saddam never had ISIS happen under his watch. Because the Baathist generals likely knew that if they tucked tail and fled like the US trained and propped up Iraqi military, they would watch their family die before they got the chance.

 
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Seriously and that is a point that should not be missed. I thought a US Military base was kind of like an embassy, US Soil in a foreign land.

The bigger picture here is

We go in to destroy what has been characterized as evil (Taliban or Saddam)

By removing that evil, we allow another evil to take its place that we are now responsible for (Child Rape or ISIS)

We are now on the hook to remove the evil we helped create or allowed to take hold (2016)

Go back to step 1

This is why history matters, and electing intelligent, learned people matters. Simple observance of the European colonial period told anyone ahead of time what would happen with Iraq. No wonder we had to drag them kicking and screaming into Iraq.

Our zeal for stupidity as a nation may very well be the most destructive force on earth.

 
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When my buddy first got to Afghanistan a decade ago, he told me these people were animals.

And that not much more could be said or done about it. He had traveled all over the world at that point.

 
Sadly this wouldn't get any attention if our military wasn't over there. I wish more people would take a trip to the Middle East and realize just how different it is. Men do this stuff all the time and it's accepted by many. Men have all the power and can basically do whatever they want to kids, women, and immigrants. Women have absolutely no rights and are covered from head to toe. Prostitution and sex slavery is way worse over there than you could possibly imagine. I feel like Russia owns half of those hotels where they have brothels/clubs/bars as a lot of the areas are alcohol free unless in a hotel or resort. There are exceptions, especially over the last few years. Their military might have just gotten into the Middle East but Russian gangsters have always been there. People get their passports stolen all the time and forced to work. That whole flare up people talked about with the World Cup happens all the time. I feel sorry for the girls I met while I was there that sadly are probably dead right now after years of being drugged up and used up. Alright I ranted a little but I just want people to know what I've seen. Basically I'm trying to say that their way of life is barbaric and way different than here.

And to answer why our military isn't doing anything, it's because they are instructed to not do anything or they will face severe punishment. Money taken away, rank taken away, possible dishonorable discharge or brig/prison time. They would love nothing more than to beat these guys to a pulp or at least confront them, but we tie their hands up in a way to make them seem weak and helpless.

 
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Sadly this wouldn't get any attention if our military wasn't over there. I wish more people would take a trip to the Middle East and realize just how different it is. Men do this stuff all the time and it's accepted by many. Men have all the power and can basically do whatever they want to kids, women, and immigrants. Women have absolutely no rights and are covered from head to toe. Prostitution and sex slavery is way worse over there than you could possibly imagine. I feel like Russia owns half of those hotels where they have brothels/clubs/bars as a lot of the areas are alcohol free unless in a hotel or resort. There are exceptions, especially over the last few years. Their military might have just gotten into the Middle East but Russian gangsters have always been there. People get their passports stolen all the time and forced to work. That whole flare up people talked about with the World Cup happens all the time. I feel sorry for the girls I met while I was there that sadly are probably dead right now after years of being drugged up and used up. Alright I ranted a little but I just want people to know what I've seen. Basically I'm trying to say that their way of life is barbaric and way different than here.

And to answer why our military isn't doing anything, it's because they are instructed to not do anything or they will face severe punishment. Money taken away, rank taken away, possible dishonorable discharge or brig/prison time. They would love nothing more than to beat these guys to a pulp or at least confront them, but we tie their hands up in a way to make them seem weak and helpless.
I know our guys don't like it. I don't doubt they'd all like to piñata these guys.

When we let it happen on our bases we are giving tacit approval. Commanders including the CNC need to stop this. Immediately. I hope this story pressures them into doing so.

 
Sadly this wouldn't get any attention if our military wasn't over there. I wish more people would take a trip to the Middle East and realize just how different it is. Men do this stuff all the time and it's accepted by many. Men have all the power and can basically do whatever they want to kids, women, and immigrants. Women have absolutely no rights and are covered from head to toe. Prostitution and sex slavery is way worse over there than you could possibly imagine. I feel like Russia owns half of those hotels where they have brothels/clubs/bars as a lot of the areas are alcohol free unless in a hotel or resort. There are exceptions, especially over the last few years. Their military might have just gotten into the Middle East but Russian gangsters have always been there. People get their passports stolen all the time and forced to work. That whole flare up people talked about with the World Cup happens all the time. I feel sorry for the girls I met while I was there that sadly are probably dead right now after years of being drugged up and used up. Alright I ranted a little but I just want people to know what I've seen. Basically I'm trying to say that their way of life is barbaric and way different than here.

And to answer why our military isn't doing anything, it's because they are instructed to not do anything or they will face severe punishment. Money taken away, rank taken away, possible dishonorable discharge or brig/prison time. They would love nothing more than to beat these guys to a pulp or at least confront them, but we tie their hands up in a way to make them seem weak and helpless.
I know our guys don't like it. I don't doubt they'd all like to piñata these guys. When we let it happen on our bases we are giving tacit approval. Commanders including the CNC need to stop this. Immediately. I hope this story pressures them into doing so.
The Commanders are all likely to have been briefed and told them to have their soldiers stand down. I could see a Commander losing his job or catching a lot of heat if a soldier were to kill one of the Afghans in a situation like this. This guidance most likely came straight from the top.

 
Sadly this wouldn't get any attention if our military wasn't over there. I wish more people would take a trip to the Middle East and realize just how different it is. Men do this stuff all the time and it's accepted by many. Men have all the power and can basically do whatever they want to kids, women, and immigrants. Women have absolutely no rights and are covered from head to toe. Prostitution and sex slavery is way worse over there than you could possibly imagine. I feel like Russia owns half of those hotels where they have brothels/clubs/bars as a lot of the areas are alcohol free unless in a hotel or resort. There are exceptions, especially over the last few years. Their military might have just gotten into the Middle East but Russian gangsters have always been there. People get their passports stolen all the time and forced to work. That whole flare up people talked about with the World Cup happens all the time. I feel sorry for the girls I met while I was there that sadly are probably dead right now after years of being drugged up and used up. Alright I ranted a little but I just want people to know what I've seen. Basically I'm trying to say that their way of life is barbaric and way different than here.

And to answer why our military isn't doing anything, it's because they are instructed to not do anything or they will face severe punishment. Money taken away, rank taken away, possible dishonorable discharge or brig/prison time. They would love nothing more than to beat these guys to a pulp or at least confront them, but we tie their hands up in a way to make them seem weak and helpless.
I know our guys don't like it. I don't doubt they'd all like to piñata these guys. When we let it happen on our bases we are giving tacit approval. Commanders including the CNC need to stop this. Immediately. I hope this story pressures them into doing so.
The Commanders are all likely to have been briefed and told them to have their soldiers stand down. I could see a Commander losing his job or catching a lot of heat if a soldier were to kill one of the Afghans in a situation like this. This guidance most likely came straight from the top.
No doubt. And that's where the change has to come from.

 
Sadly this wouldn't get any attention if our military wasn't over there. I wish more people would take a trip to the Middle East and realize just how different it is. Men do this stuff all the time and it's accepted by many. Men have all the power and can basically do whatever they want to kids, women, and immigrants. Women have absolutely no rights and are covered from head to toe. Prostitution and sex slavery is way worse over there than you could possibly imagine. I feel like Russia owns half of those hotels where they have brothels/clubs/bars as a lot of the areas are alcohol free unless in a hotel or resort. There are exceptions, especially over the last few years. Their military might have just gotten into the Middle East but Russian gangsters have always been there. People get their passports stolen all the time and forced to work. That whole flare up people talked about with the World Cup happens all the time. I feel sorry for the girls I met while I was there that sadly are probably dead right now after years of being drugged up and used up. Alright I ranted a little but I just want people to know what I've seen. Basically I'm trying to say that their way of life is barbaric and way different than here.

And to answer why our military isn't doing anything, it's because they are instructed to not do anything or they will face severe punishment. Money taken away, rank taken away, possible dishonorable discharge or brig/prison time. They would love nothing more than to beat these guys to a pulp or at least confront them, but we tie their hands up in a way to make them seem weak and helpless.
I know our guys don't like it. I don't doubt they'd all like to piñata these guys. When we let it happen on our bases we are giving tacit approval. Commanders including the CNC need to stop this. Immediately. I hope this story pressures them into doing so.
The Commanders are all likely to have been briefed and told them to have their soldiers stand down. I could see a Commander losing his job or catching a lot of heat if a soldier were to kill one of the Afghans in a situation like this. This guidance most likely came straight from the top.
No doubt. And that's where the change has to come from.
Agree.

 
Sadly this wouldn't get any attention if our military wasn't over there. I wish more people would take a trip to the Middle East and realize just how different it is. Men do this stuff all the time and it's accepted by many. Men have all the power and can basically do whatever they want to kids, women, and immigrants. Women have absolutely no rights and are covered from head to toe. Prostitution and sex slavery is way worse over there than you could possibly imagine. I feel like Russia owns half of those hotels where they have brothels/clubs/bars as a lot of the areas are alcohol free unless in a hotel or resort. There are exceptions, especially over the last few years. Their military might have just gotten into the Middle East but Russian gangsters have always been there. People get their passports stolen all the time and forced to work. That whole flare up people talked about with the World Cup happens all the time. I feel sorry for the girls I met while I was there that sadly are probably dead right now after years of being drugged up and used up. Alright I ranted a little but I just want people to know what I've seen. Basically I'm trying to say that their way of life is barbaric and way different than here.

And to answer why our military isn't doing anything, it's because they are instructed to not do anything or they will face severe punishment. Money taken away, rank taken away, possible dishonorable discharge or brig/prison time. They would love nothing more than to beat these guys to a pulp or at least confront them, but we tie their hands up in a way to make them seem weak and helpless.
I know our guys don't like it. I don't doubt they'd all like to piñata these guys. When we let it happen on our bases we are giving tacit approval. Commanders including the CNC need to stop this. Immediately. I hope this story pressures them into doing so.
The Commanders are all likely to have been briefed and told them to have their soldiers stand down. I could see a Commander losing his job or catching a lot of heat if a soldier were to kill one of the Afghans in a situation like this. This guidance most likely came straight from the top.
No doubt. And that's where the change has to come from.
Agree.
Yes, these are diplomatic decisions, the military chain of command other than the CNC have no choice.

 
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: at all of the atheist libs who will sling barbs at Pope Francis and the Catholics unabated, but come here to show their universal condemnation; apparently so naive about how chain of command works, they are completely unaware of the fact that President Pedo-bama is actually in charge of the military!!!!

Yep....I see that the administration was in full denial mode today....they knew nothing of any of this going on....riiiiight...... :tebow: Keep on trukin' fellas, you are all fightin' the good fight!!!!

 
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: at all of the atheist libs who will sling barbs at Pope Francis and the Catholics unabated, but come here to show their universal condemnation; apparently so naive about how chain of command works, they are completely unaware of the fact that President Pedo-bama is actually in charge of the military!!!!

Yep....I see that the administration was in full denial mode today....they knew nothing of any of this going on....riiiiight...... :tebow: Keep on trukin' fellas, you are all fightin' the good fight!!!!
Actually I'm a fan of new Pope and said the change needs to come from the top. Can you read?

 
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: at all of the atheist libs who will sling barbs at Pope Francis and the Catholics unabated, but come here to show their universal condemnation; apparently so naive about how chain of command works, they are completely unaware of the fact that President Pedo-bama is actually in charge of the military!!!!

Yep....I see that the administration was in full denial mode today....they knew nothing of any of this going on....riiiiight...... :tebow: Keep on trukin' fellas, you are all fightin' the good fight!!!!
Actually I'm a fan of new Pope and said the change needs to come from the top. Can you read?
I am speaking more on a general basis.....if truly, in your heart, you will put the blame where it belongs (at the top), you are exempt from my inane-tic rants about President Party and his shameless sycophants.

 
Can't even imagine the toll this must have taken on our soldiers. Goes to show any actions aren't so black and white. With this many shades of gray probably better to let the country burn itself to the ground from afar.

 
If a Yahoo employee dirty ##### the company birthday cake, should we blame the CEO?

There are 2 million people in uniform and another 600k civilians in the DoD. You can't blame the Commander in Chief for a soldier stealing a sandwich from the Shoppette. Well maybe you can, but since you never served your opinion means #### anyway.

Hey NCC>I'll ease up on the coffee now, just for you buddy.

 
Newsflash

A lot of places in this world are ####ed. I mean totally ####ed when it comes to human rights, civil rights, and just pure decency. This is not new.

I don't even want to bother listing those places or the atrocities associated with them.

what is the solution? Kill them all? Deploy american troops to every #### hole in the world where this crap is happening?

This sort of stuff turns my stomach just like the rest of you. I get the anger. Honestly? I wish we could waste all of them but we all know that's not how it works...nor how it can work.

 
Newsflash

A lot of places in this world are ####ed. I mean totally ####ed when it comes to human rights, civil rights, and just pure decency. This is not new.

I don't even want to bother listing those places or the atrocities associated with them.

what is the solution? Kill them all? Deploy american troops to every #### hole in the world where this crap is happening?

This sort of stuff turns my stomach just like the rest of you. I get the anger. Honestly? I wish we could waste all of them but we all know that's not how it works...nor how it can work.
It's also not like this stuff doesn't happen everywhere we are stationed. Saudi's like to ### pound each other in the guard shack, the Europeans ran black market ops in Afghanistan, any African solider almost anywhere is raping villagers, and those dirty Iraqis were trying to kill us as we slept. We are guests, and being deployed with these people really sucks. You don't accept anything, but you also fight the fights you can win. Afghans are gonna rape boys regardless of what we say or insist, it's terrible and sickening but we also can't prevent everything that happens.

We have/had control at main operating locations like Kandahar and Bagram, but there is little we can do at most FOBs. We depend on these animals to support us if attacked, and they go there way and we go ours. It's not like we are piled in one big room playing video games and eating popcorn talking about our dreams, we are no where near these pigs in deployed life for 20-23 hours a day.

 
If a Yahoo employee dirty ##### the company birthday cake, should we blame the CEO?

There are 2 million people in uniform and another 600k civilians in the DoD. You can't blame the Commander in Chief for a soldier stealing a sandwich from the Shoppette. Well maybe you can, but since you never served your opinion means #### anyway.

Hey NCC>I'll ease up on the coffee now, just for you buddy.
Umm...nope. Try reading the story. There is a reason people are looking the other way on this. Just like there was a reason people were looking the other way when Bush was in charge. Buckle up and own the fact that your guy facilitates child abuse to serve a political purpose.

Hey...its not like this is the first time this has happened...but in all seriousness, you cannot defend the administration on this. They are 100% the ones who are telling the military higher ups to let this stuff go. Also, as far as 2 million people in uniform go...the vast majority of them are plebes, taking orders from generals and officers who answer to people in the Obama administration.

 
Maybe we should start a countdown clock to when President Obama comes out and condemns these atrocities and calls for flags lowered to honor the servicemen who lost their lives in this fiasco.

We all know we will be waiting a long time for that. Maybe we should hire the Muslim kid to build the clock and stand next to him while he condemns this under no uncertain terms. :homer:

 
If a Yahoo employee dirty ##### the company birthday cake, should we blame the CEO?

There are 2 million people in uniform and another 600k civilians in the DoD. You can't blame the Commander in Chief for a soldier stealing a sandwich from the Shoppette. Well maybe you can, but since you never served your opinion means #### anyway.

Hey NCC>I'll ease up on the coffee now, just for you buddy.
Umm...nope. Try reading the story. There is a reason people are looking the other way on this. Just like there was a reason people were looking the other way when Bush was in charge. Buckle up and own the fact that your guy facilitates child abuse to serve a political purpose.

Hey...its not like this is the first time this has happened...but in all seriousness, you cannot defend the administration on this. They are 100% the ones who are telling the military higher ups to let this stuff go. Also, as far as 2 million people in uniform go...the vast majority of them are plebes, taking orders from generals and officers who answer to people in the Obama administration.
You have problems guy. Among them is being a paranoid, delusional, and a dangerous putz. No one cares about your opinion, much less some trolling rants designed to illuminate some serious personal mental instability. Take your meds, go to bed, hope that something triggers some sense in you.

 
Maybe we should start a countdown clock to when President Obama comes out and condemns these atrocities and calls for flags lowered to honor the servicemen who lost their lives in this fiasco.

We all know we will be waiting a long time for that. Maybe we should hire the Muslim kid to build the clock and stand next to him while he condemns this under no uncertain terms. :homer:
So glad you are on that that wall for us.

 
Isn't Meatwad a member of Westboro Baptist? Shouldn't he be blaming God for this or is it God sending his wrath on these little boys for the US permitting gay marriage....or something?

 
Isn't Meatwad a member of Westboro Baptist? Shouldn't he be blaming God for this or is it God sending his wrath on these little boys for the US permitting gay marriage....or something?
Lighten up guy. He got his I :wub: ERIC RUDOLPH tattoo AFTER three Milwaukee's Best Lights.

 
I can't imagine any instance where I could tell someone to allow a child to be raped or to turn my back on it...I know it's not in vogue but somethings still are black and white and child rape is one of them...it must be excruciating for these brave men and women to have to deal with this...

 
Hilts said:
Can't even imagine the toll this must have taken on our soldiers. Goes to show any actions aren't so black and white. With this many shades of gray probably better to let the country burn itself to the ground from afar.
We've been saying that for years. The running joke in country was about the "sixth man", the catcher and morale builder for the other guys in his unit. But those guys at least were adults, barely.

Doctor Detroit said:
If a Yahoo employee dirty ##### the company birthday cake, should we blame the CEO?

There are 2 million people in uniform and another 600k civilians in the DoD. You can't blame the Commander in Chief for a soldier stealing a sandwich from the Shoppette. Well maybe you can, but since you never served your opinion means #### anyway.

Hey NCC>I'll ease up on the coffee now, just for you buddy.
Doc, you're off on this one. If the CinC told Soldiers to look the other way, that's a lot different than one Soldier committing a crime. Funny that you would associate child rape with stealing a sandwich. Does my opinion count?

FYI, the Army is 100% refuting this story.

//I won't comment further as I work for them currently
:goodposting:

 
Meatwad Reloaded said:
Also, as far as 2 million people in uniform go...the vast majority of them are plebes, taking orders from generals and officers who answer to people in the Obama administration.
what the #### are you talking about?

of course most people in the military take orders from flag officers. aside from that, what's your point?

 
Doctor Detroit said:
NCCommish said:
Doctor Detroit said:
I thought a US Military base was kind of like an embassy, US Soil in a foreign land.
Do us all a favor: stop thinking
Try less coffee. No need to be ugly some folks don't know how these things work.
:lmao:

Did you read the rest of his post? The whole thing is utter nonsense. :lmao:
Man what the ever living #### is your problem? I have never seen you be anything but a relentless troll on these boards. Since you seem to have read the status of forces agreement with Afghanistan that defines the status of bases and troops why don't you fill us in?

 
Doctor Detroit said:
Meatwad Reloaded said:
Doctor Detroit said:
If a Yahoo employee dirty ##### the company birthday cake, should we blame the CEO?

There are 2 million people in uniform and another 600k civilians in the DoD. You can't blame the Commander in Chief for a soldier stealing a sandwich from the Shoppette. Well maybe you can, but since you never served your opinion means #### anyway.

Hey NCC>I'll ease up on the coffee now, just for you buddy.
Umm...nope. Try reading the story. There is a reason people are looking the other way on this. Just like there was a reason people were looking the other way when Bush was in charge. Buckle up and own the fact that your guy facilitates child abuse to serve a political purpose.

Hey...its not like this is the first time this has happened...but in all seriousness, you cannot defend the administration on this. They are 100% the ones who are telling the military higher ups to let this stuff go. Also, as far as 2 million people in uniform go...the vast majority of them are plebes, taking orders from generals and officers who answer to people in the Obama administration.
You have problems guy. Among them is being a paranoid, delusional, and a dangerous putz. No one cares about your opinion, much less some trolling rants designed to illuminate some serious personal mental instability. Take your meds, go to bed, hope that something triggers some sense in you.
Why don't you look in the mirror?

 
Doctor Detroit said:
If a Yahoo employee dirty ##### the company birthday cake, should we blame the CEO?

There are 2 million people in uniform and another 600k civilians in the DoD. You can't blame the Commander in Chief for a soldier stealing a sandwich from the Shoppette. Well maybe you can, but since you never served your opinion means #### anyway.

Hey NCC>I'll ease up on the coffee now, just for you buddy.
Well I did serve so I guess I get an opinion. If you read the article our guys are saying they can hear the abuse at night. So it is happening pretty close to where they are. And I personally believe there is no place for that on a US base, none. And I believe it should be made clear to those doing it. Further whoever made the decision to look the other way, which wasn't some grunt, needs to change that policy. You want to rape children? You don't do it under cover of our flag.

So attack as you will but we are supposed to be the good guys and good guys don't let #### like this happen under their nose.

 

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