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Solution to the Public Schools Crisis (1 Viewer)

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The ongoing (but maybe soon to end?) teachers' strike in Chicago is being viewed by many as an early skirmish in a coming war over the crisis in public education—stagnant or declining graduation rates, substandard educations, dilapidated schools, angry teachers, underserved students. There is one simple step that would go a long way toward resolving many of those issues: Make all schools public schools.

It's an oft-noted irony of the confrontation in Chicago that Mayor Rahm Emanuel sends his children to the private, $20,000-a-year University of Chicago Lab School, which means his family doesn't really have much of a personal stake in what happens to the school system he is trying to reform. This is pretty routine behavior for rich people in Chicago, and there's a pretty good reason for it: Chicago's public schools are terrible. If you care about your children's education, and can afford to buy your way out of public schools, as Emanuel can, it's perfectly reasonable to do so. Barack and Michelle Obama made a similar decision, opting to purchase a quality education for their daughters at Sidwell Friends rather than send them to one of Washington, D.C.'s, deeply troubled public schools.

A lot of Chicago parents with the resources to do so have followed Emanuel's lead: 17% of schoolchildren in Chicago attend private schools, and so don't have to trouble themselves with whether or not their local public school has air conditioning, or a library (160 do not), or classes with 45 students. Those kids that don't attend private schools tend overwhelmingly to be from families with less political power and resources than Emanuel's: 87% of them are from low-income families, and 86% are black or hispanic.

Nationwide, where 10% of the nation's students—and 16% of the white ones from families making more than $75,000 per year—attend private schools, the stratification is similar. White and asian students enroll in private schools at twice the rate of black and hispanic ones, according to Harvard University's Civil Rights Project. Nearly two thirds of private-school students are from wealthy families. In the nation's 40 largest school districts, one in three white students attends private school (the number is one in ten for black students).

So you can see why there's a problem. Here's the solution: Make Rahm Emanuel and Barack Obama's children go to public schools. From a purely strategic and practical standpoint, it would be much easier to resolve the schools crisis if the futures of America's wealthiest and most powerful children were at stake. Wealthy people tend to lobby effectively for their interests, and if their interests were to include adequate public funding for the schools their children attend, and libraries, and air-conditioning, those goals could likely be achieved without having to resort to unpleasant things like teachers' strikes.

This would of course be a radical and highly disruptive step. It would involve forcibly transferring ownership of all existing private schools to the school district in which they reside, and readjusting local tax schemes to capture the tuition parents currently pay (the nationwide average is $8,549 per year, which means a total of $47 billion is spent each year on opting out of the public education system). Then access to the newly "nationalized" schools would have to be distributed on some fair basis to local students, with the wealthy kids who don't make the cut into their old schools being sent to the regular ones, without air conditioning or libraries. And resources would have to be redistributed within the school districts so that the resources formerly lavished on private schools could be spent shoring up the failing public ones.

This is not an original idea. Billionaire wise hobbit Warren Buffet once told school reformer Michelle Rhee that the easiest way to fix schools was to "make private schools illegal and assign every child to a public school by random lottery." In England, the notion of banning private education—while highly unlikely—has long been a part of the political debate entertained by major-party candidates.

And while it would have the practical effect of forcing school boards and municipalities to be accountable to their privileged elite as well as their poor families, there's also a moral argument for banning private education. Put simply: Equality of opportunity demands that children should not be penalized—or advantaged—by the accident of their birth. Educational benefits, which are the most crucial resource when it comes to determining the life-outcomes for children of all backgrounds, shouldn't be distributed based on how rich your parents are. They should be distributed equally. Even if we stipulate that radical inequality is OK for adults—once you are out in the world, you rise or fall by the work of your own hands—when it comes to children, it's perverse to dole out educations based on arbitrary circumstances completely beyond their control.

And that's what private education does: It allows parents to purchase better life-prospects for their kids simply because they can afford it. (The real estate market and the property-tax-based funding model for public schools do the same thing—being able to afford a home in a good school district, which is then funded by taxes levied on that valuable home, is structurally very similar to paying tuition for a private school.) Of course, the act of simply raising children in a wealthy home is a form of purchasing them better life-prospects than poorer children. And attempting to equalize that dynamic would be impossible without unacceptable governmental intrusions into the child-parent relationship.

But educational benefits are something that we as a nation have long held should be afforded to all children, irrespective of their backgrounds. And we've further held that withholding access to those benefits based on race or ethnicity—in other words, on morally arbitrary circumstances over which the children have no control—is wrong. Our current system of private and public education effectively distributes the best educations to those who were born into the right families, like Rahm Emanuel's. He shouldn't be able to buy his kids a better shot at life than his constituents can afford.
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i'm not sure whether the author of this Op-Ed piece - which is 18 months old, btw - is pro-public school or pro-voucher. kind of a mess really.

 
It's idiocy like this that sometimes makes it hard to be a liberal:

This would of course be a radical and highly disruptive step. It would involve forcibly transferring ownership of all existing private schools to the school district in which they reside, and readjusting local tax schemes to capture the tuition parents currently pay (the nationwide average is $8,549 per year, which means a total of $47 billion is spent each year on opting out of the public education system). Then access to the newly "nationalized" schools would have to be distributed on some fair basis to local students, with the wealthy kids who don't make the cut into their old schools being sent to the regular ones, without air conditioning or libraries. And resources would have to be redistributed within the school districts so that the resources formerly lavished on private schools could be spent shoring up the failing public ones.
"Forcibly transferring" private property to government entities is pretty much the antithesis of what our country stands for. It is despicable. Does that forcible transfer also include the hundreds of millions of dollars that private schools across the country hold in their endowments? Might as well - if you're stealing some private property, why not steal it all?

Then you're going to "readjust local tax schemes to capture the tuition parents currently pay"? In other words, you're going to try to make people pay in taxes what they had previously been paying in tuition. Great, more mindless taxing and spending. And good luck with that - families that scrimp and sacrifice to pay their kids' tuition will find plenty of ways to shelter/spend that money that avoid these readjusted tax schemes.

And then you're going to randomly assign local kids to the previously private schools? In this model, are those schools' previous employees going to be "forcibly" restrained from leaving their jobs, which are no longer the jobs they signed up for?

While we're at it, why not take away all private homes that are considered too nice, and give them to some local poor people? And cars?

This is the second such thing I've read in the last year - both times it seems that some liberal writer is incensed that they live in a terrible Brooklyn school district, and can't afford to send their kids to the same private schools where their more affluent neighbors' kids are going. The solution? Take away private school from everybody! It's the laziest, most self-centered and idiotic argument I can think of.

 
Doesn't this actually boil down to "taking the money from private schools and applying it to public schools would solve the problems of public schools"?

Because if that's it, why argue that private schools need to be closed instead of just arguing that taxes need to be raised to offer $42B more in money to public schools? Seems like he just wants to tear down wealthy people or middle class folks that save and sacrifice.

It also ignores the fact that there are factors other than per student spending that have a MUCH larger impact on student learning.

 
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This is the second such thing I've read in the last year - both times it seems that some liberal writer is incensed that they live in a terrible Brooklyn school district, and can't afford to send their kids to the same private schools where their more affluent neighbors' kids are going. The solution? Take away private school from everybody! It's the laziest, most self-centered and idiotic argument I can think of.
So this thing annoyed me so much that I googled the author. While I was just generalizing about him when I said "Brooklyn" it turns out that's of course where he lives. Found a piece by his wife (also a writer) that starts like this:

With a third kid on the way and a 1,100-square-foot, one-bathroom Brooklyn apartment, my husband and I talk a lot about when we’ll be able to afford a home to comfortably fit our family. I’m 35, he’s almost 40, and neither of us thinks we can even begin to contemplate shelling out for a mortgage or higher rent for another five years. In the fall of 2018, all of our kids will finally be in public school, and we will have the $5,000 we pay in child care every month back in our bank account. I will be 41, my husband will be 46, and perhaps then we can start to consider a second toilet.

Not all of that $5K will go toward a family home — to pay for preschool, we stopped contributing to our 401k years ago. So 2018 will also be the year we start paying into it again — not that we will ever be able to retire — and, hey, let’s put some away for college, shall we?
So everything in his "solution" is predicated on having rich people give him something he wants but can't afford for himself. Instead, maybe he should consider some life changes, like: Moving; Not having kids you can't afford; Finding a job that pays better.
 
Doesn't this actually boil down to "taking the money from private schools and applying it to public schools would solve the problems of public schools"?

Because if that's it, why argue that private schools need to be closed instead of just arguing that taxes need to be raised to offer $42B more in money to public schools? Seems like he just wants to tear down wealthy people or middle class folks that save and sacrifice.

It also ignores the fact that there are factors other than per student spending that have a MUCH larger impact on student learning.
I think he makes the point that if politicians' kids were going to public school, they'd be a lot more motivated to see them improve. I know personally, I would. Right now, I could care less how well my town's public schools are performing b/c my kids don't go there.

 
This is the second such thing I've read in the last year - both times it seems that some liberal writer is incensed that they live in a terrible Brooklyn school district, and can't afford to send their kids to the same private schools where their more affluent neighbors' kids are going. The solution? Take away private school from everybody! It's the laziest, most self-centered and idiotic argument I can think of.
So this thing annoyed me so much that I googled the author. While I was just generalizing about him when I said "Brooklyn" it turns out that's of course where he lives. Found a piece by his wife (also a writer) that starts like this:

With a third kid on the way and a 1,100-square-foot, one-bathroom Brooklyn apartment, my husband and I talk a lot about when we’ll be able to afford a home to comfortably fit our family. I’m 35, he’s almost 40, and neither of us thinks we can even begin to contemplate shelling out for a mortgage or higher rent for another five years. In the fall of 2018, all of our kids will finally be in public school, and we will have the $5,000 we pay in child care every month back in our bank account. I will be 41, my husband will be 46, and perhaps then we can start to consider a second toilet.

Not all of that $5K will go toward a family home — to pay for preschool, we stopped contributing to our 401k years ago. So 2018 will also be the year we start paying into it again — not that we will ever be able to retire — and, hey, let’s put some away for college, shall we?
So everything in his "solution" is predicated on having rich people give him something he wants but can't afford for himself. Instead, maybe he should consider some life changes, like: Moving; Not having kids you can't afford; Finding a job that pays better.
This isn't about him, it's about his kids. Can't we all agree to hate rich snotty kids?

 
Doesn't this actually boil down to "taking the money from private schools and applying it to public schools would solve the problems of public schools"?

Because if that's it, why argue that private schools need to be closed instead of just arguing that taxes need to be raised to offer $42B more in money to public schools? Seems like he just wants to tear down wealthy people or middle class folks that save and sacrifice.

It also ignores the fact that there are factors other than per student spending that have a MUCH larger impact on student learning.
It also puts what would most consider the most elite, cultured and motivated students amongst the general population. Some might argue it could have an overall positive influence on the public schools.

 
It's idiocy like this that sometimes makes it hard to be a liberal:

This would of course be a radical and highly disruptive step. It would involve forcibly transferring ownership of all existing private schools to the school district in which they reside, and readjusting local tax schemes to capture the tuition parents currently pay (the nationwide average is $8,549 per year, which means a total of $47 billion is spent each year on opting out of the public education system). Then access to the newly "nationalized" schools would have to be distributed on some fair basis to local students, with the wealthy kids who don't make the cut into their old schools being sent to the regular ones, without air conditioning or libraries. And resources would have to be redistributed within the school districts so that the resources formerly lavished on private schools could be spent shoring up the failing public ones.
"Forcibly transferring" private property to government entities is pretty much the antithesis of what our country stands for. It is despicable. Does that forcible transfer also include the hundreds of millions of dollars that private schools across the country hold in their endowments? Might as well - if you're stealing some private property, why not steal it all?

Then you're going to "readjust local tax schemes to capture the tuition parents currently pay"? In other words, you're going to try to make people pay in taxes what they had previously been paying in tuition. Great, more mindless taxing and spending. And good luck with that - families that scrimp and sacrifice to pay their kids' tuition will find plenty of ways to shelter/spend that money that avoid these readjusted tax schemes.
What's fun is a rich person already pays for his kid to go to public school. He's paying his "share" via local taxes. He's then paying for his kids to go to private school on top of that.

Force his kids to go to public school and he's going to pay less, obviously. Just one tuition per kid instead of two. It falls to the middle and lower classes to subsidize his kids now.

 
This is helpful, but it doesn't go far enough. As we know, there is a very strong genetic component in IQ, so that children of well educated upper middle class or upper class parents have a distinct advantage in life over children of poor, relatively uneducated parents. What we need to do is legislate so that those well off children are not allowed to attend any school at all until they are, say 12 years old. This way we will bring about a leveling of educational attainment and make sure no one has an unfair advantage. If it proves not to be enough, we can keep raising the age at which they can first attend school.

 
Unless teachers can beat the piss out of "worthless" parents or vice versa its only going to get worse.

 
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Doesn't this actually boil down to "taking the money from private schools and applying it to public schools would solve the problems of public schools"?

Because if that's it, why argue that private schools need to be closed instead of just arguing that taxes need to be raised to offer $42B more in money to public schools? Seems like he just wants to tear down wealthy people or middle class folks that save and sacrifice.

It also ignores the fact that there are factors other than per student spending that have a MUCH larger impact on student learning.
I think he makes the point that if politicians' kids were going to public school, they'd be a lot more motivated to see them improve. I know personally, I would. Right now, I could care less how well my town's public schools are performing b/c my kids don't go there.
But he couches the entire thing in monetary terms. Not once does he mention that having resources and activities outside of school have a huge effect. Or that having two parents at home has a huge effect. Or that just the act of having parents place an importance on education makes a difference. Or that having parents that sit down with their kid and helps them learn has more of an impact than all of that stuff?

After the Abbot decisions, NJ threw tons of money at the crumbling public schools in the worst and poorest districts. Shockingly, things haven't really improved.

Do we really think that taking the brightest, most motivated kids and throwing them in with everyone else is going to do more to benefit the other end of the spectrum that it negatively impacts the elite kids?

 
Doesn't this actually boil down to "taking the money from private schools and applying it to public schools would solve the problems of public schools"?

Because if that's it, why argue that private schools need to be closed instead of just arguing that taxes need to be raised to offer $42B more in money to public schools? Seems like he just wants to tear down wealthy people or middle class folks that save and sacrifice.

It also ignores the fact that there are factors other than per student spending that have a MUCH larger impact on student learning.
It also puts what would most consider the most elite, cultured and motivated students amongst the general population. Some might argue it could have an overall positive influence on the public schools.
Their parents as well. If all parents were as involved as the parents at my kids' school, the public school system would be in much better shape. I've really had to up my involvement to keep up with these people.

 
Do we really think that taking the brightest, most motivated kids and throwing them in with everyone else is going to do more to benefit the other end of the spectrum that it negatively impacts the elite kids?
I think it would do both of those things -- help the kids from poor schools and hurt the kids from rich schools. I don't really know the magnitude of change, though.

 
Doesn't this actually boil down to "taking the money from private schools and applying it to public schools would solve the problems of public schools"?

Because if that's it, why argue that private schools need to be closed instead of just arguing that taxes need to be raised to offer $42B more in money to public schools? Seems like he just wants to tear down wealthy people or middle class folks that save and sacrifice.

It also ignores the fact that there are factors other than per student spending that have a MUCH larger impact on student learning.
I think he makes the point that if politicians' kids were going to public school, they'd be a lot more motivated to see them improve. I know personally, I would. Right now, I could care less how well my town's public schools are performing b/c my kids don't go there.
But he couches the entire thing in monetary terms. Not once does he mention that having resources and activities outside of school have a huge effect. Or that having two parents at home has a huge effect. Or that just the act of having parents place an importance on education makes a difference. Or that having parents that sit down with their kid and helps them learn has more of an impact than all of that stuff?

After the Abbot decisions, NJ threw tons of money at the crumbling public schools in the worst and poorest districts. Shockingly, things haven't really improved.

Do we really think that taking the brightest, most motivated kids and throwing them in with everyone else is going to do more to benefit the other end of the spectrum that it negatively impacts the elite kids?
He doesn't mention the inherent benefit of raising kids in wealthy homes and that it would be too intrusive to equalize that. Some of those things that you mention can't be addressed.

I can't say for certain either way if the positive effect it would have on one end of the spectrum would offset the negative effect on the other end. I live in morris county nj so I feel pretty certain that my kids would do very well if they went the public route. The schools are good enough and we, as parents, offer all the other intangibles that you mention We have the means so going private was an easy decision for us. I do feel that if you have a lot of wealthy parents sending their kids to public schools, they're going to have an awful lot more influence than that of non-wealthy parents and as a whole, things would improve.

 
This is helpful, but it doesn't go far enough. As we know, there is a very strong genetic component in IQ, so that children of well educated upper middle class or upper class parents have a distinct advantage in life over children of poor, relatively uneducated parents. What we need to do is legislate so that those well off children are not allowed to attend any school at all until they are, say 12 years old. This way we will bring about a leveling of educational attainment and make sure no one has an unfair advantage. If it proves not to be enough, we can keep raising the age at which they can first attend school.
Better yet, all newborns born on any given day should be randomly assigned to a mother who gave birth that day. That takes out any of the unfairness -- maybe a kid born with a lower IQ gets some much-needed socioeconomic advantages, and a higher IQ kid can still succeed, even if he's raised in poverty.

 
This is helpful, but it doesn't go far enough. As we know, there is a very strong genetic component in IQ, so that children of well educated upper middle class or upper class parents have a distinct advantage in life over children of poor, relatively uneducated parents. What we need to do is legislate so that those well off children are not allowed to attend any school at all until they are, say 12 years old. This way we will bring about a leveling of educational attainment and make sure no one has an unfair advantage. If it proves not to be enough, we can keep raising the age at which they can first attend school.
Better yet, all newborns born on any given day should be randomly assigned to a mother who gave birth that day. That takes out any of the unfairness -- maybe a kid born with a lower IQ gets some much-needed socioeconomic advantages, and a higher IQ kid can still succeed, even if he's raised in poverty.
Now we're starting to get some creative thinking. However, by the luck of the lottery that day, some high IQ kid might get assigned to a high IQ family not his own. We've got to find a way to pull him back to the median.

 
This is helpful, but it doesn't go far enough. As we know, there is a very strong genetic component in IQ, so that children of well educated upper middle class or upper class parents have a distinct advantage in life over children of poor, relatively uneducated parents. What we need to do is legislate so that those well off children are not allowed to attend any school at all until they are, say 12 years old. This way we will bring about a leveling of educational attainment and make sure no one has an unfair advantage. If it proves not to be enough, we can keep raising the age at which they can first attend school.
Better yet, all newborns born on any given day should be randomly assigned to a mother who gave birth that day. That takes out any of the unfairness -- maybe a kid born with a lower IQ gets some much-needed socioeconomic advantages, and a higher IQ kid can still succeed, even if he's raised in poverty.
Now we're starting to get some creative thinking. However, by the luck of the lottery that day, some high IQ kid might get assigned to a high IQ family not his own. We've got to find a way to pull him back to the median.
Drop him on his head a couple of times?

 
This is helpful, but it doesn't go far enough. As we know, there is a very strong genetic component in IQ, so that children of well educated upper middle class or upper class parents have a distinct advantage in life over children of poor, relatively uneducated parents. What we need to do is legislate so that those well off children are not allowed to attend any school at all until they are, say 12 years old. This way we will bring about a leveling of educational attainment and make sure no one has an unfair advantage. If it proves not to be enough, we can keep raising the age at which they can first attend school.
Better yet, all newborns born on any given day should be randomly assigned to a mother who gave birth that day. That takes out any of the unfairness -- maybe a kid born with a lower IQ gets some much-needed socioeconomic advantages, and a higher IQ kid can still succeed, even if he's raised in poverty.
Now we're starting to get some creative thinking. However, by the luck of the lottery that day, some high IQ kid might get assigned to a high IQ family not his own. We've got to find a way to pull him back to the median.
Make him read the op-ed in the original post. It was so stupid, I could feel my IQ dropping with each paragraph.

 
This is helpful, but it doesn't go far enough. As we know, there is a very strong genetic component in IQ, so that children of well educated upper middle class or upper class parents have a distinct advantage in life over children of poor, relatively uneducated parents. What we need to do is legislate so that those well off children are not allowed to attend any school at all until they are, say 12 years old. This way we will bring about a leveling of educational attainment and make sure no one has an unfair advantage. If it proves not to be enough, we can keep raising the age at which they can first attend school.
Better yet, all newborns born on any given day should be randomly assigned to a mother who gave birth that day. That takes out any of the unfairness -- maybe a kid born with a lower IQ gets some much-needed socioeconomic advantages, and a higher IQ kid can still succeed, even if he's raised in poverty.
Now we're starting to get some creative thinking. However, by the luck of the lottery that day, some high IQ kid might get assigned to a high IQ family not his own. We've got to find a way to pull him back to the median.
Drop him on his head a couple of times?
But what about the concussion protocol?

 
The real problems have complicated and difficult solutions that involve major change in people. There isn't one plan that fixes it. You have to be totally biased, stupid, arrogant to the point of delusional or a politician to think that there is some kind of policy that changes deep rooted issues in society like how we approach and value education.

 
Private education would just end up being more private, unless they also ban home schooling.

 
The public school paradigm is broken, starting from the teacher's unions all the way down to framing 30+ into a class room to teach test based education. I believe that Kahn academy (http://www.khanacademy.org) offers a glimpse at the solution, but we need to take it even further.

I can only recall my own experience when I was going through then teaching program. I was teaching a high school economics class that included 3 students with ivy league school scholarships, and 4 students that never achieve above a D in in high school. How the hell do you make a class interesting for such a diverse group? We need to identify students that our academia inclined and student that aren't early. Those that aren't should be encouraged towards vocational schools.

At some point in our recent history the phrase "blue collar" became an unsavory term. There are lots of opportunities in this field that can lead to a very satisfying life. Check out Mike Rowe's testimony before congress: http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/dirty-jobs/lists/mike-rowe-senate-testimony.htm

Education should be student-centric and not test-based. This would be a start to education reform.

 
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This is the second such thing I've read in the last year - both times it seems that some liberal writer is incensed that they live in a terrible Brooklyn school district, and can't afford to send their kids to the same private schools where their more affluent neighbors' kids are going. The solution? Take away private school from everybody! It's the laziest, most self-centered and idiotic argument I can think of.
So this thing annoyed me so much that I googled the author. While I was just generalizing about him when I said "Brooklyn" it turns out that's of course where he lives. Found a piece by his wife (also a writer) that starts like this:

With a third kid on the way and a 1,100-square-foot, one-bathroom Brooklyn apartment, my husband and I talk a lot about when we’ll be able to afford a home to comfortably fit our family. I’m 35, he’s almost 40, and neither of us thinks we can even begin to contemplate shelling out for a mortgage or higher rent for another five years. In the fall of 2018, all of our kids will finally be in public school, and we will have the $5,000 we pay in child care every month back in our bank account. I will be 41, my husband will be 46, and perhaps then we can start to consider a second toilet.

Not all of that $5K will go toward a family home — to pay for preschool, we stopped contributing to our 401k years ago. So 2018 will also be the year we start paying into it again — not that we will ever be able to retire — and, hey, let’s put some away for college, shall we?
So everything in his "solution" is predicated on having rich people give him something he wants but can't afford for himself. Instead, maybe he should consider some life changes, like: Moving; Not having kids you can't afford; Finding a job that pays better.
Pathetic. Good Internetting The_Man.

Hey pal, save your sob story about how this is "everyone's" problem and provide for your family. Show a modicum of success and then maybe you'll have a leg to stand on with your "ideas". Quit looking for a handout and blaming "the system" or "the elite" or anyone else but yourself.

 

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