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Some news on the Bucs RBs (1 Viewer)

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Capella

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From pewterreport.com (this was free, not pay info). I don't know if there was a thread for this topic or not, but I thought somebody could use it:

Not only will he play, Williams is scheduled to start the game and see significant playing time vs. the Dolphins. Morris plans to have Williams, Derrick Ward and Earnest Graham share the workload in a 2-2-1 format, which means Williams and Ward likely will play the first two series of the game while Graham plays for one series. Return specialist Clifton Smith and fullback B.J. Askew could also see some action at running back.

"I want to go 2-2-1 and I want to keep that rotation if I can throughout the season," said Morris. "We'll have some different back situations. I'm going to mix it in, and the person getting the one [series] will make it up in the situational play. I'll try to use that format in the game. [Cadillac is] getting the first two [series] in this game. I'm looking forward to seeing him do that."
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Not surprised he's splitting with Graham.

Very surprised Caddy's in the mix at all.

Still, no excuse for Ward's ADP to be as high as it was earlier this summer. A committee back on a bad offense? Blah. Too bad it may correct itself just in time for my drafts and auctions :thumbup:

 
Wow. I don't have Ward as high as some because I felt like Graham would see plenty of touches near the goaline, but I didn't think Cadillac would actually get touches.

 
I'm a homer, but I still don't think the offense will be that bad. Terrific line, talent with Bryant and Winslow, and a pretty decent group of RBs. Lot of talent there. I know the QB thing is unsettled, but I think the winner of that job can do some things.

 
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Capella said:
I'm a homer, but I still don't think the offense will be that bad. Terrific line, talent with Bryant and Winslow, and a pretty decent group of RBs. Lot of talent there. I know the QB thing is unsettled, but I think the winner of that job can do some things.
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:unsure: QB and WR2 are really the only weak spots out of 11 spots.As for the RBs, if I draft one of them, it would probably be Graham. I don't trust Caddy to stay healthy(though it'd be great if he did) and Ward is a change of pace back in my eyes and is going way too high.ETA: As much hate as the guy inspires, I think Winslow will be very good this season. Like, as good or better than in Cleveland.
 
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could also be one of these 2 things. normal coachspeek for we want to run the ball more or they are letting Caddy start after Ernest/Derrick got a start each to shop Caddy or 1 of the others.

 
travdogg said:
Capella said:
I'm a homer, but I still don't think the offense will be that bad. Terrific line, talent with Bryant and Winslow, and a pretty decent group of RBs. Lot of talent there. I know the QB thing is unsettled, but I think the winner of that job can do some things.
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:goodposting: QB and WR2 are really the only weak spots out of 11 spots.
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Start Leftwich and sign Matt Jones, problems solved. :thumbup:
 
The 2-2-1 statement is asinine. That all changes with the game and how each guy is running. Tampa will be running quite a bit 30-40 times a game, and will throw to the RBs plenty as well. I see it in touches....

Ward - 15-20

Graham - 12-15

Caddy - 0-5

Barring injury or ineffectiveness Ward and Graham hold equal value to start the season. #3RBs/flex plays.

 
Thank you. There is no way Williams will be in a regular rotation with the others! The guy couldn't possibly have shown enough of anything since coming back from injury at this point to have earned that. And as for the split ... It'll be 3-2-1, Ward-Graham-Miscellaneous. 'Nuff said.

 
Splicer said:
A healthy Caddy is better than both Graham and Ward. Still waiting for the healthy Caddy to show up...
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Is the myth of a Cadillac greater than his abilities? He had a good but not great rookie campaign and then what exactly? He wasn't even the best running back on his college team.I don't recall ever being "wowed" with Cadillac even at his best. It's been a long time though...
 
Choke said:
War Eagle said:
The 2-2-1 statement is asinine. That all changes with the game and how each guy is running. Tampa will be running quite a bit 30-40 times a game, and will throw to the RBs plenty as well. I see it in touches....Ward - 15-20Graham - 12-15Caddy - 0-5Barring injury or ineffectiveness Ward and Graham hold equal value to start the season. #3RBs/flex plays.
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So you see it as a... 2.1---1.7---0.3 ...split.
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he said 2 series 2 series 1 series.....I'm just saying some games it may be 3,2,1,2,3,4,1.....whoever gets hot, but the bottom line is, Ward will see MORE touches than Graham, and Caddy will be a DISTANT 3rd. A LA every other team in the league. Lynch, Jackson, Rhodes.....Edge, JJ, Forsett...Barber, Felix, Choice.....TJ, Washington, Greene...etc etc etc etc
 
Caddy looks to be 100% from what I saw at the camp practices I went to. He looked great every time, and was given a lot of work.

You guys can blow him off if you want, but if he's healthy I think he's the best back on the team and he's going to play a very large amount of snaps. And I don't play FF so I have no stake in this. Just giving my opinion.

Of course his health is an issue, but freak knee injuries are something no player can plan for. Those are not "injury-prone" injuries.

 
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Caddy looks to be 100% from what I saw at the camp practices I went to. He looked great every time, and was given a lot of work.

You guys can blow him off if you want, but if he's healthy I think he's the best back on the team and he's going to play a very large amount of snaps. And I don't play FF so I have no stake in this. Just giving my opinion.

Of course his health is an issue, but freak knee injuries are something no player can plan for. Those are not "injury-prone" injuries.
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You don't play FF???? Why are you on a fantasy Football site???
 
I agree that people shouldn't blow off Caddy. The team loves him and is looking for him to bounce back from injuries. If he stays healthy, Ward/Graham owners may be disappointed.

 
I think this is a bunch of bull. Unless Morris is a complete "maroon", there is no way he'd release this kind of info this early so all of the NFL can plan how to defend the Buc's. I agree with the above poster who feels this may be smoke and mirrors to trade Caddy, they do need a kicker with Bryant having continued injuries. I still feel the load of carries fall to Ward with Graham spelling Ward.

 
Sounds to me as though Ward and Graham will underperform their current ADPs, and Cadillac in the last round is the only TB RB worth considering.

 
footballdiva said:
I think this is a bunch of bull. Unless Morris is a complete "maroon", there is no way he'd release this kind of info this early so all of the NFL can plan how to defend the Buc's. I agree with the above poster who feels this may be smoke and mirrors to trade Caddy, they do need a kicker with Bryant having continued injuries. I still feel the load of carries fall to Ward with Graham spelling Ward.
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This quote from Morris doesn't seem any more or less revealing than what a lot of other coaches are saying this summer when asked by the media about their RBs. :lmao:
 
DrJamesAndrews said:
Capella said:
Caddy looks to be 100% from what I saw at the camp practices I went to. He looked great every time, and was given a lot of work.

You guys can blow him off if you want, but if he's healthy I think he's the best back on the team and he's going to play a very large amount of snaps. And I don't play FF so I have no stake in this. Just giving my opinion.

Of course his health is an issue, but freak knee injuries are something no player can plan for. Those are not "injury-prone" injuries.
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You don't play FF???? Why are you on a fantasy Football site???
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Best FFA on the planet.
 
travdogg said:
Capella said:
I'm a homer, but I still don't think the offense will be that bad. Terrific line, talent with Bryant and Winslow, and a pretty decent group of RBs. Lot of talent there. I know the QB thing is unsettled, but I think the winner of that job can do some things.
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:pics: QB and WR2 are really the only weak spots out of 11 spots.As for the RBs, if I draft one of them, it would probably be Graham. I don't trust Caddy to stay healthy(though it'd be great if he did) and Ward is a change of pace back in my eyes and is going way too high.ETA: As much hate as the guy inspires, I think Winslow will be very good this season. Like, as good or better than in Cleveland.
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Relatively speaking I'd say RB and WR1 are weak too. They don't suck like QB and WR2 but they're far from good. Also, they may have the worst starting blocking TE in the league. Nothing this coaching regime is doing is instilling much confidence in me either.
 
And the plot thickens....

TampaBay.com article

"You may want to have Earnest for short yardage. You might have Cadillac for goal line. You may have B.J. (Askew) for four-minute. You may have Peanut (Smith) for third down. I'm going to mix that in and the person getting the one (series) will make it up in a situational play."
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Cadillac as the goal-line runner? I like it. Remember that Cadillac was a fantastic goal-line runner at Auburn. However, when he got to the pros, the Bucs had Mike Alstott, and they gave Alstott the goal-line carries to keep Caddy healthy. (Didn't work.)Cadillac as the goal-line runner, could really muddy the Bucs RB situation from an FF perspective.

 
DrJamesAndrews said:
Capella said:
Caddy looks to be 100% from what I saw at the camp practices I went to. He looked great every time, and was given a lot of work.

You guys can blow him off if you want, but if he's healthy I think he's the best back on the team and he's going to play a very large amount of snaps. And I don't play FF so I have no stake in this. Just giving my opinion.

Of course his health is an issue, but freak knee injuries are something no player can plan for. Those are not "injury-prone" injuries.
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You don't play FF???? Why are you on a fantasy Football site???
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He's above the fray
 
DrJamesAndrews said:
Capella said:
Caddy looks to be 100% from what I saw at the camp practices I went to. He looked great every time, and was given a lot of work.

You guys can blow him off if you want, but if he's healthy I think he's the best back on the team and he's going to play a very large amount of snaps. And I don't play FF so I have no stake in this. Just giving my opinion.

Of course his health is an issue, but freak knee injuries are something no player can plan for. Those are not "injury-prone" injuries.
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You don't play FF???? Why are you on a fantasy Football site???
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He was assigned here by the internet.
 
The RBBC has been the suck and now it seems to be getting worse. The plan seems to be this - standard runner gets 40%, Finesse 3rd down and then some back gets 40% and the bruiser gets 20%.

This is the plan for both Baltimore and the Jets. Seems we have a 3rd team looking at this model

 
Ministry of Pain said:
DrJamesAndrews said:
Capella said:
Caddy looks to be 100% from what I saw at the camp practices I went to. He looked great every time, and was given a lot of work.

You guys can blow him off if you want, but if he's healthy I think he's the best back on the team and he's going to play a very large amount of snaps. And I don't play FF so I have no stake in this. Just giving my opinion.

Of course his health is an issue, but freak knee injuries are something no player can plan for. Those are not "injury-prone" injuries.
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You don't play FF???? Why are you on a fantasy Football site???
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He's above the fray
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Why is it that you always sound so bitter?I used to play FF and now I don't. I read this story last night and thought somebody here could use it.

 
Hopefully it is a motivational tactic or I was correct before and Morris is an idiot:

Bucs GM Mark Dominik revealed Wednesday that the team plans to use a decidedly run-heavy offense in the mold of Atlanta and Baltimore's in 2008.

"(The Ravens and Falcons) set the table for those guys to have a chance at success," Dominik said. The first-year GM added that the Bucs won't "put it all on the quarterback." Dominik and coach Raheem Morris are making the rookie mistake of letting their entire offensive strategy out of the bag three weeks before Week 1. They've lost leverage in trade talks for their QBs.

Aug. 26 - 3:29 p.m. ET

Source: NFL.com

 
Bryant is the only player I'm targeting now from the Bucs. I'm liking him more and more by the day, as his ADP keeps dropping. This team will be playing from behind all season.

 
gump said:
Bryant is the only player I'm targeting now from the Bucs. I'm liking him more and more by the day, as his ADP keeps dropping. This team will be playing from behind all season.
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I own Bryant in my main money league and am nervous for him. Winslow being there and bad QB play makes me think that KWII is the player to have on this team. I hope you're right though...
 
He may say that's what he'd like to do during the season.

I'll bet it doesn't hold up.

Looks to be a preseason strategy (typical one).

Someone will play his way into RB1.

 
TheFanatic said:
gump said:
Bryant is the only player I'm targeting now from the Bucs. I'm liking him more and more by the day, as his ADP keeps dropping. This team will be playing from behind all season.
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I own Bryant in my main money league and am nervous for him. Winslow being there and bad QB play makes me think that KWII is the player to have on this team. I hope you're right though...
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I think it depends on the starting QB. Maybe someone can disprove this theory with stats....but my perception is that Leftwich was and still is a gunslinger, and McCown is scared to death to throw the ball downfield. Lefty is currently the favorite, which I think is great for Bryant.
 
footballdiva said:
Hopefully it is a motivational tactic or I was correct before and Morris is an idiot:

Bucs GM Mark Dominik revealed Wednesday that the team plans to use a decidedly run-heavy offense in the mold of Atlanta and Baltimore's in 2008.

"(The Ravens and Falcons) set the table for those guys to have a chance at success," Dominik said. The first-year GM added that the Bucs won't "put it all on the quarterback." Dominik and coach Raheem Morris are making the rookie mistake of letting their entire offensive strategy out of the bag three weeks before Week 1. They've lost leverage in trade talks for their QBs.

Aug. 26 - 3:29 p.m. ET

Source: NFL.com
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I doubt anyone is under the illusion that the Bucs were going to come out and run a spread with their amazing cast of wideouts.If anything, this says a lot about how the Bucs feel about Josh Johnson. They don't want to put him on the practice squad/waivers because they will certainly lose him.

I wouldn't be surprised if McCown is cut. What are the salary cap implications if that's the case?

 
Grahamburn said:
I wouldn't be surprised if McCown is cut. What are the salary cap implications if that's the case?
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I think someone pointed out in another thread that the Bucs have spent so little that a cap hit from the McCown cut may help them hit the floor.
 
Capella said:
From pewterreport.com (this was free, not pay info). I don't know if there was a thread for this topic or not, but I thought somebody could use it:

Not only will he play, Williams is scheduled to start the game and see significant playing time vs. the Dolphins. Morris plans to have Williams, Derrick Ward and Earnest Graham share the workload in a 2-2-1 format, which means Williams and Ward likely will play the first two series of the game while Graham plays for one series. Return specialist Clifton Smith and fullback B.J. Askew could also see some action at running back.

"I want to go 2-2-1 and I want to keep that rotation if I can throughout the season," said Morris. "We'll have some different back situations. I'm going to mix it in, and the person getting the one [series] will make it up in the situational play. I'll try to use that format in the game. [Cadillac is] getting the first two [series] in this game. I'm looking forward to seeing him do that."
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I didn't read the thread, maybe someone else posted this, but I am thinking this (order of RBs) is in reference only to the next preseason game.Throughout the season, I don't think we'll see Williams start every game, and get two series in the rotation every game. In the next preseason game, maybe he gets two series to open, but I think only for the coach to see if Williams is ready to play. IMO they didn't bring in Ward for him not to play the majority of snaps at RB.

 
gump said:
TheFanatic said:
gump said:
Bryant is the only player I'm targeting now from the Bucs. I'm liking him more and more by the day, as his ADP keeps dropping. This team will be playing from behind all season.
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I own Bryant in my main money league and am nervous for him. Winslow being there and bad QB play makes me think that KWII is the player to have on this team. I hope you're right though...
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I think it depends on the starting QB. Maybe someone can disprove this theory with stats....but my perception is that Leftwich was and still is a gunslinger, and McCown is scared to death to throw the ball downfield. Lefty is currently the favorite, which I think is great for Bryant.
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I think Garcia being able to buy some time and keeping drives alive with his mobility was great for Bryant. I'm not enthused about Leftwich...unless I have a DE playing against him in my IDP league. :shark:
 
JamesTheScot said:
gump said:
TheFanatic said:
gump said:
Bryant is the only player I'm targeting now from the Bucs. I'm liking him more and more by the day, as his ADP keeps dropping. This team will be playing from behind all season.
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I own Bryant in my main money league and am nervous for him. Winslow being there and bad QB play makes me think that KWII is the player to have on this team. I hope you're right though...
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I think it depends on the starting QB. Maybe someone can disprove this theory with stats....but my perception is that Leftwich was and still is a gunslinger, and McCown is scared to death to throw the ball downfield. Lefty is currently the favorite, which I think is great for Bryant.
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I think Garcia being able to buy some time and keeping drives alive with his mobility was great for Bryant. I'm not enthused about Leftwich...unless I have a DE playing against him in my IDP league.

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Nicely done!!
 
CRAPP!! I just drafted DWard this week in my draft - wished I passed based on this news.... :goodposting:

I knew he was going to share SOME carries but didn't see it like this....

 
travdogg said:
Capella said:
I'm a homer, but I still don't think the offense will be that bad. Terrific line, talent with Bryant and Winslow, and a pretty decent group of RBs. Lot of talent there. I know the QB thing is unsettled, but I think the winner of that job can do some things.
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:jawdrop: QB and WR2 are really the only weak spots out of 11 spots.As for the RBs, if I draft one of them, it would probably be Graham. I don't trust Caddy to stay healthy(though it'd be great if he did) and Ward is a change of pace back in my eyes and is going way too high.ETA: As much hate as the guy inspires, I think Winslow will be very good this season. Like, as good or better than in Cleveland.
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What I can't figure is that Ward keeps getting talked about as a change of pace back. Ward is 5'11" 228 lbs. Does that sound like a third down back? I love the fact that Graham is such an unselfish player. I think this will be time share of some sort, but Ward will not be the third down back.
 
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