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[AcerFC]

I did not see any of the game or highlights. Was the running game a result of playing a tough TB D, or is this the way things are going to be. I thought this was a Martz system.

Can anyone shed some light on this and what do you think of The Lions going forward.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

Healthy K. Jones. They won the game...what the problem is? I'm sure you want them to throw more even though their game plan was succesful? I don't see it happening every game, but Marinelli has stated he would like to try to control the clock a little more.

 

[Max Power]

The Lions are a solid team. However, they ranked 31st in the NFL in rushing O. Kevin Jones is back an Healthy. The Coaching staff knows they can not be a one dimentional team and be a serious contender.

Lions gave the ball to Jones Early. Ran some new running plays, mostly draws. Jones looked great. TB was rushing very hard with thier DEs and getting pressure on the QB when passing. However the Draw play with the heavy pass rush was gaining some big yards.

I still expect the Lions to throw 35-40 times a game. Having Jones in the backfield now teams cant drop 6 into coverage and rush 5 hard like they have been. Otherwise the rushing game will beat them for those 8 yard plays each time.

 

[W1cked]

I did not see any of the game or highlights. Was the running game a result of playing a tough TB D, or is this the way things are going to be. I thought this was a Martz system. Can anyone shed some light on this and what do you think of The Lions going forward.

This is what I think.Kitna has already been sacked allot... some of that was because the other team's defense knew they were going to pass the ball on most downs. Jones gives them a legit RB option now... which they didn't really have with Bell. So part of it has to do with the talent available. Also TB tried to keep the Lions offense off the field with long drives and eating up the clock.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

They appear to be over. Naysayers are going to come in here and tell me I'm wrong just like they keep telling me that Parker is going to score and Henry was going to score (he's still playing and still not scoring). The air show is done for the year. Kevin Jones will benefit, and Kitna will fall back to about #20 for QB's. Adjust Williams and Johnson accordingly.

 

[Da Guru]

I posted this earlier..Lions HC Rod Marinelli ststaed after the Redskin game that the Lions "had" to run the ball more to be an effective team.

Marinelli wanted KJ to get at least 20 rushes,,he only got 15 I believe, but that was in part to the Bucs having the ball for long periods.

I would look for KJ to have at least 15 and possibly 20 carries a game from here on in.

 

[Jimboozie]

Unfortunately, its looking like Kitna is just a matchup play from here on out. I was at the game and observed that 1) Bucs controlled time of possession 2) Kitna didn't take any shots downfield and 3) Bucs have a pretty good pass defense. Detroit led all game so they never went into the air it out mode.

 

[Sharpie]

The Redskins and now the Bucs took away the Lions favorite weapon, which is the passing game. They had/have to be able to run to sustain any drives at all until teams start bringing another player up in the box. It appeared to me the Bucs took away any deep game and dared the Lions to run.

 

[FantasyTrader]

They appear to be over. Naysayers are going to come in here and tell me I'm wrong just like they keep telling me that Parker is going to score and Henry was going to score (he's still playing and still not scoring). The air show is done for the year. Kevin Jones will benefit, and Kitna will fall back to about #20 for QB's. Adjust Williams and Johnson accordingly.

Count me among the naysayers. You're speaking as though Detroit, with it's 30th ranked pass D, will be holding everyone to 16 p.p.g. They didn't throw yesterday because they didn't have to - which I believe will be the exception to the rule.

 

[LILB811]

Didn't see the game, but 77-47 in plays run in favor of TB certainly doesn't help things. Teams weren't respecting the running game, but production from KJ will certainly open up the pass. I don't know how many 50 throw games we'll see from Kitna, but it should be better than the last 2 games.

ETA: Playing from behind will also force the issue on the pass more, which will probably be the case more often than not, as the guy above me said

 

[thatguythere]

The Redskins and now the Bucs took away the Lions favorite weapon, which is the passing game. They had/have to be able to run to sustain any drives at all until teams start bringing another player up in the box. It appeared to me the Bucs took away any deep game and dared the Lions to run.

Bad call by the Bucs.... At least all the Martz talk about how he won't change from the vertical passing game, can be laid to rest for the time being. Don't think for one minute Martz is putting the passing game on the back burner. It was nice to see the Lions adjust to what the Defense was giving them. The play action pass game is going to work wonders when there is an actual threat of a running game.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

They appear to be over. Naysayers are going to come in here and tell me I'm wrong just like they keep telling me that Parker is going to score and Henry was going to score (he's still playing and still not scoring). The air show is done for the year. Kevin Jones will benefit, and Kitna will fall back to about #20 for QB's. Adjust Williams and Johnson accordingly.

Count me among the naysayers. You're speaking as though Detroit, with it's 30th ranked pass D, will be holding everyone to 16 p.p.g. They didn't throw yesterday because they didn't have to - which I believe will be the exception to the rule.

It's a copycat league. People will follow Tampa's lead. I don't think Kitna is good enough to torch a deep cover 2 scheme. Teams will just continue to dare Martz to throw, and he will, and it won't work. It won't happen every game, but now Kitna and the Lions "O" becomes a hit and miss fantasy offense. Whereas the beginning of the year it looked to be an automatic start every week, now it's a week here, a week there.

 

[Hobbes]

The Redskins and now the Bucs took away the Lions favorite weapon, which is the passing game. They had/have to be able to run to sustain any drives at all until teams start bringing another player up in the box. It appeared to me the Bucs took away any deep game and dared the Lions to run.

Bad call by the Bucs.... At least all the Martz talk about how he won't change from the vertical passing game, can be laid to rest for the time being. Don't think for one minute Martz is putting the passing game on the back burner. It was nice to see the Lions adjust to what the Defense was giving them. The play action pass game is going to work wonders when there is an actual threat of a running game.

I don't think it was a bad call by the Bucs...with the exception of 1 drive the Bucs D held Detroit pretty much in check all day. What killed the Bucs were the short fields they were giving Detroit with turnovers.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

The Redskins and now the Bucs took away the Lions favorite weapon, which is the passing game. They had/have to be able to run to sustain any drives at all until teams start bringing another player up in the box. It appeared to me the Bucs took away any deep game and dared the Lions to run.

Bad call by the Bucs.... At least all the Martz talk about how he won't change from the vertical passing game, can be laid to rest for the time being. Don't think for one minute Martz is putting the passing game on the back burner. It was nice to see the Lions adjust to what the Defense was giving them. The play action pass game is going to work wonders when there is an actual threat of a running game.

I don't think it was a bad call by the Bucs...with the exception of 1 drive the Bucs D held Detroit pretty much in check all day. What killed the Bucs were the short fields they were giving Detroit with turnovers.

Turnovers killed them. Otherwise it may have been an easy win for them. They had long drives that ended in no points. Very unusual.

 

[ProBowler88]

Bottom line is that Marinelli knows the Bucs D like the back of his hand, meaning he knows the strengths and weaknesses. He knew the Bucs would play to stop the pass for most of the game with their cover 2.

Run > Cover 2

We simply took what the defense gave us, and it worked, we did not need to throw because the defense stepped up and forced turnovers and gave us great field position.

Keep in mind that the Lions defense is still terrible yardage wise, and the Lions will fall behind more often than not and need to throw out of it.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Bottom line is that Marinelli knows the Bucs D like the back of his hand, meaning he knows the strengths and weaknesses. He knew the Bucs would play to stop the pass for most of the game with their cover 2.

Run > Cover 2

We simply took what the defense gave us, and it worked, we did not need to throw because the defense stepped up and forced turnovers and gave us great field position.

Keep in mind that the Lions defense is still terrible yardage wise, and the Lions will fall behind more often than not and need to throw out of it.

You play for the Lions???

 

[ProBowler88]

I've had season tickets for 13 years, and am part of the 12th man at ford field (we lead the league in false starts and delay of games in only 3 home games) I have rode and supported this team all through the Millen era........yes I play for the Lions.

Don't you ever hear people talk about their teams by saying "we should have done this" by using "we" instead of "they"

Thats the definition of a true fan.

 

[Londo]

They appear to be over. Naysayers are going to come in here and tell me I'm wrong just like they keep telling me that Parker is going to score and Henry was going to score (he's still playing and still not scoring). The air show is done for the year. Kevin Jones will benefit, and Kitna will fall back to about #20 for QB's. Adjust Williams and Johnson accordingly.

Count me among the naysayers. You're speaking as though Detroit, with it's 30th ranked pass D, will be holding everyone to 16 p.p.g. They didn't throw yesterday because they didn't have to - which I believe will be the exception to the rule.

It's a copycat league. People will follow Tampa's lead. I don't think Kitna is good enough to torch a deep cover 2 scheme. Teams will just continue to dare Martz to throw, and he will, and it won't work. It won't happen every game, but now Kitna and the Lions "O" becomes a hit and miss fantasy offense. Whereas the beginning of the year it looked to be an automatic start every week, now it's a week here, a week there.

You can count on 1 hand, the number of teams with the secondary personnel to bottle up a WR corps like Williams, Johnson, Furrey, and McDonald. The Lions have just faced 2 of them back to back. That doesn't necessarily spell doom for the long-term prospects of Lions offensive players in my opinion.

 

[TxBuckeye]

I've had season tickets for 13 years, and am part of the 12th man at ford field (we lead the league in false starts and delay of games in only 3 home games) I have rode and supported this team all through the Millen era........yes I play for the Lions.

Don't you ever hear people talk about their teams by saying "we should have done this" by using "we" instead of "they"

Yes, and I laugh at them for saying "we." So I am amazingly consistent!And no, you don't play for the Lions. You support them without a doubt. Unless they mail you a paycheck each week. Then I'll recant my statement.

 

[Avery]

They appear to be over. Naysayers are going to come in here and tell me I'm wrong just like they keep telling me that Parker is going to score and Henry was going to score (he's still playing and still not scoring). The air show is done for the year. Kevin Jones will benefit, and Kitna will fall back to about #20 for QB's. Adjust Williams and Johnson accordingly.

Count me among the naysayers. You're speaking as though Detroit, with it's 30th ranked pass D, will be holding everyone to 16 p.p.g. They didn't throw yesterday because they didn't have to - which I believe will be the exception to the rule.

It's a copycat league. People will follow Tampa's lead. I don't think Kitna is good enough to torch a deep cover 2 scheme. Teams will just continue to dare Martz to throw, and he will, and it won't work. It won't happen every game, but now Kitna and the Lions "O" becomes a hit and miss fantasy offense. Whereas the beginning of the year it looked to be an automatic start every week, now it's a week here, a week there.

You can count on 1 hand, the number of teams with the secondary personnel to bottle up a WR corps like Williams, Johnson, Furrey, and McDonald. The Lions have just faced 2 of them back to back. That doesn't necessarily spell doom for the long-term prospects of Lions offensive players in my opinion.

IMO, you are confusing the success that Furrey and McDonald have had with a superior skill set which neither Furrey nor McDonald possess.They have both had success based on opportunity, as Detroit had little running game and Kitna was hurling the ball everywhere, rather than them being so talented that few team can cover them.

As Detroit is attempting to rediscover their running came with a semi-healthy Jones, those opportunities will be fewer for WR3 and WR4 on the Lions.

 

[ProBowler88]

I've had season tickets for 13 years, and am part of the 12th man at ford field (we lead the league in false starts and delay of games in only 3 home games) I have rode and supported this team all through the Millen era........yes I play for the Lions.

Don't you ever hear people talk about their teams by saying "we should have done this" by using "we" instead of "they"

Yes, and I laugh at them for saying "we." So I am amazingly consistent!And no, you don't play for the Lions. You support them without a doubt. Unless they mail you a paycheck each week. Then I'll recant my statement.

You are obviously a bandwagon fan.....or maybe not a fan of any team at all......I say "we" because they are my favorite team..........never mind, you need to be a football fan to understand what I am saying.

 

[the spanker]

I've had season tickets for 13 years, and am part of the 12th man at ford field (we lead the league in false starts and delay of games in only 3 home games) I have rode and supported this team all through the Millen era........yes I play for the Lions.Don't you ever hear people talk about their teams by saying "we should have done this" by using "we" instead of "they"Thats the definition of a true fan.

Communicated very well

 

[Ned]

I've had season tickets for 13 years, and am part of the 12th man at ford field (we lead the league in false starts and delay of games in only 3 home games) I have rode and supported this team all through the Millen era........yes I play for the Lions.

Don't you ever hear people talk about their teams by saying "we should have done this" by using "we" instead of "they"

Yes, and I laugh at them for saying "we." So I am amazingly consistent!And no, you don't play for the Lions. You support them without a doubt. Unless they mail you a paycheck each week. Then I'll recant my statement.

You are obviously a bandwagon fan.....or maybe not a fan of any team at all......I say "we" because they are my favorite team..........never mind, you need to be a football fan to understand what I am saying.

 

[Londo]

They appear to be over. Naysayers are going to come in here and tell me I'm wrong just like they keep telling me that Parker is going to score and Henry was going to score (he's still playing and still not scoring). The air show is done for the year. Kevin Jones will benefit, and Kitna will fall back to about #20 for QB's. Adjust Williams and Johnson accordingly.

Count me among the naysayers. You're speaking as though Detroit, with it's 30th ranked pass D, will be holding everyone to 16 p.p.g. They didn't throw yesterday because they didn't have to - which I believe will be the exception to the rule.

It's a copycat league. People will follow Tampa's lead. I don't think Kitna is good enough to torch a deep cover 2 scheme. Teams will just continue to dare Martz to throw, and he will, and it won't work. It won't happen every game, but now Kitna and the Lions "O" becomes a hit and miss fantasy offense. Whereas the beginning of the year it looked to be an automatic start every week, now it's a week here, a week there.

You can count on 1 hand, the number of teams with the secondary personnel to bottle up a WR corps like Williams, Johnson, Furrey, and McDonald. The Lions have just faced 2 of them back to back. That doesn't necessarily spell doom for the long-term prospects of Lions offensive players in my opinion.

IMO, you are confusing the success that Furrey and McDonald have had with a superior skill set which neither Furrey nor McDonald possess.They have both had success based on opportunity, as Detroit had little running game and Kitna was hurling the ball everywhere, rather than them being so talented that few team can cover them.

As Detroit is attempting to rediscover their running came with a semi-healthy Jones, those opportunities will be fewer for WR3 and WR4 on the Lions.

A fair point. But, the Martz scheme is famous for turning less-than-stellar #3-4 WRs into fantasy producers. Couple that with the fact that Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson are a way better than average tandem, and you have a defensive coordinator's nightmare. I agree that opportunity is the key part of the equation, but I suppose I don't see a lot of teams taking away that opportunity based on what I have seen thus far. A healthy Jones opens up the offense even more for the WRs (all of them), I would think. Time will certainly tell.

 

[shadyridr]

Ill tell you one thing, Im not very excited about Kitna's prospects going forward in his next 5 games:

Week 8 @CHI

Week 9 DEN

Week 10 @ARI

Week 11 NYG

Week 12 GNB

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Ill tell you one thing, Im not very excited about Kitna's prospects going forward in his next 5 games:Week 8 @CHI Week 9 DEN Week 10 @ARI Week 11 NYG Week 12 GNB

I don't either. It was fun while it lasted.

 

[coachjim]

I've had season tickets for 13 years, and am part of the 12th man at ford field (we lead the league in false starts and delay of games in only 3 home games) I have rode and supported this team all through the Millen era........yes I play for the Lions.Don't you ever hear people talk about their teams by saying "we should have done this" by using "we" instead of "they"Thats the definition of a true fan.

As a true Lions fan can you impart your opinion on the value of Roy and KJ the rest of the year. I am just about to start benching Roy but making KJ a must start. Your thoughts please.

 

[ProBowler88]

Ill tell you one thing, Im not very excited about Kitna's prospects going forward in his next 5 games:Week 8 @CHI Week 9 DEN Week 10 @ARI Week 11 NYG Week 12 GNB

I don't either. It was fun while it lasted.

The lions play much better at home than on the road, the bears game is the only one to be concerned with here.Home vs DEN: Denver pass D is overrated, did you see them last night? granted they were without champ bailey, but he is only one guy......let's see how they do when we spread them out 4 wide. Also, everyone here in detroit, including the Lions absolutely hate Dre' Bly, he threw the team under the bus after losses and always blamed someone other than himself.......that's motivation for us.@ ARI: honestly, are you scared of the Cards pass D.....can you say shootout?Home vs NYG: this will be tough but we are at home, I'm telling you guys the Lions are almost like 2 different teams on the road and at home. The Giants secondary is weak, watch film from the Dallas game in week 1.Home vs GB: Thanksgiving, national tv, we hate Brett Favre.........and you guessed it....we are at HOME........Getcha Turkey Ready!

 

[Londo]

Ill tell you one thing, Im not very excited about Kitna's prospects going forward in his next 5 games:Week 8 @CHI Week 9 DEN Week 10 @ARI Week 11 NYG Week 12 GNB

Fantasy points allowed to QBs (in my main league):Chicago = 18th Denver = 8thArizona = 20thNYG = 9thGreen Bay = 10thThis schedule sounds a lot tougher than it actually is if you look at the fantasy production those teams are allowing. Couple that with the fact that they will likely be playing from behind in most of those games and I see a lot of opportunity here. I should also say that I do not own Kitna in any league (though I do own Roy in one, and Hanson in another one)

 

[ProBowler88]

I've had season tickets for 13 years, and am part of the 12th man at ford field (we lead the league in false starts and delay of games in only 3 home games) I have rode and supported this team all through the Millen era........yes I play for the Lions.Don't you ever hear people talk about their teams by saying "we should have done this" by using "we" instead of "they"Thats the definition of a true fan.

As a true Lions fan can you impart your opinion on the value of Roy and KJ the rest of the year. I am just about to start benching Roy but making KJ a must start. Your thoughts please.

KJ is a must start in PPR leagues, however in non-ppr leagues, you need to look at the matchup and try to determine if the Lions will fall behind early.....no one is psychic i know, but if the opposing team has a decent offense, most likely the Lions will fall behind because we couldnt stop a high school team IMO. As for Roy, most WRs in general are inconsistent, and he is no exception. Benching Roy is tough, but if you have the depth then by all means do it. PS: This goes for all fantasy football players, DONT LET THE BEARS D SCARE YOU.....they are not playing like the same bears D we were once used to.

 

[detroitwhat]

I've had season tickets for 13 years, and am part of the 12th man at ford field (we lead the league in false starts and delay of games in only 3 home games) I have rode and supported this team all through the Millen era........yes I play for the Lions.Don't you ever hear people talk about their teams by saying "we should have done this" by using "we" instead of "they"Thats the definition of a true fan.

Thats a true fan!

 

[coachjim]

I've had season tickets for 13 years, and am part of the 12th man at ford field (we lead the league in false starts and delay of games in only 3 home games) I have rode and supported this team all through the Millen era........yes I play for the Lions.Don't you ever hear people talk about their teams by saying "we should have done this" by using "we" instead of "they"Thats the definition of a true fan.

As a true Lions fan can you impart your opinion on the value of Roy and KJ the rest of the year. I am just about to start benching Roy but making KJ a must start. Your thoughts please.

KJ is a must start in PPR leagues, however in non-ppr leagues, you need to look at the matchup and try to determine if the Lions will fall behind early.....no one is psychic i know, but if the opposing team has a decent offense, most likely the Lions will fall behind because we couldnt stop a high school team IMO. As for Roy, most WRs in general are inconsistent, and he is no exception. Benching Roy is tough, but if you have the depth then by all means do it. PS: This goes for all fantasy football players, DONT LET THE BEARS D SCARE YOU.....they are not playing like the same bears D we were once used to.

Thanks for the input. Unless Kenny watson stays as the starter KJ is a must start for me. No PPR. I could start Chambers or Colston over Roy but you are right it is a crap shoot.Thanks for the game by game analysis.This is what makes this message board so good. All the great insight you get.

 

[AcerFC]

Thanks for the input. It is exactly what I was looking for. Unfortunately for me, I own Kitna and it seems like the Gunslinging is over. Whch is not good for me since Garrard is my other QB. Thanks again and Im off to find a consistent QB

ETA- A more points producing consistent QB- since Garrard is pretty consistent

 

[coachjim]

Thanks for the input. It is exactly what I was looking for. Unfortunately for me, I own Kitna and it seems like the Gunslinging is over. Whch is not good for me since Garrard is my other QB. Thanks again and Im off to find a consistent QBETA- A more points producing consistent QB- since Garrard is pretty consistent

Let me know who you get as a consistant QB. I had Delhomme and Leinert. Then traded for Favre after they both were on IR. So far Favre has went 5 points then 3 points after I got him. I started Schaub yesterday and guess what he gets knocked out and Rosenfelds goes off. My luck sucks.

 

[gethugefast1]

I don't call myself close to an expert...But, from what I've seen w/the Lions(Kitna & Co.), they are having a lot of trouble w/Cover 2 defenses this year...a lot.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

Duckett wasn't great, but the times he got the ball he was getting 6 yards a pop and ate up a lot of the clock. He served his role very well.

 

[shadyridr]

I don't call myself close to an expert...But, from what I've seen w/the Lions(Kitna & Co.), they are having a lot of trouble w/Cover 2 defenses this year...a lot.

up next... Chicago

 

[ProBowler88]

I don't call myself close to an expert...But, from what I've seen w/the Lions(Kitna & Co.), they are having a lot of trouble w/Cover 2 defenses this year...a lot.

How so? The only game we struggled was against the Skins, and that was only one game.We simply did not need to pass yesterday, KJ tore it up, and Duckett had a nice game as well, spelling KJ as needed. Marinelli knows how to beat the cover 2 trust me.

 

[nysfl2]

Ill tell you one thing, Im not very excited about Kitna's prospects going forward in his next 5 games:Week 8 @CHI Week 9 DEN Week 10 @ARI Week 11 NYG Week 12 GNB

Fantasy points allowed to QBs (in my main league):Chicago = 18th Denver = 8thArizona = 20thNYG = 9thGreen Bay = 10thThis schedule sounds a lot tougher than it actually is if you look at the fantasy production those teams are allowing. Couple that with the fact that they will likely be playing from behind in most of those games and I see a lot of opportunity here. I should also say that I do not own Kitna in any league (though I do own Roy in one, and Hanson in another one)

Giants game will be a bad matchup. If Kitna has time to set and throw, there's almost always someone open in that offense. Lions struggle the most against teams that can generate pressure with their front four and drop seven in coverage. Andre Carter of the Redskins was creating havoc against the Lions all game, which was a big part of why the offense was struggling so much. The Giants are doing a great job right now of bringing pressure on the QB. I expect the Lions to have serious problems throwing the ball that game.