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[32 Counter Pass]

While looking at team stats from the pass year I am noticing the number of pass attempts and total targets do not match up. For instance, the Panthers attempted 545 passes. Targets by position for the Panthers shows 69 (RB), 344 (WR), 148 (TE) for a total of 561. I see a similar discrepancy with all the teams. Sometimes it is a negative number, sometimes a positive number, but are targets and attempt equal

What gives?

 

[Pwingles]

throw aways?

 

[Dezbelief]

Seattle is going to have a target that doesn't count towards any of those positions.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Seattle is going to have a target that doesn't count towards any of those positions.

Explain please? Oh wait, is this a reference to the INT in the SB? haha

I get throwaways. What I don't understand is pass attempt total less than the total targets.I see the same thing happen with the Pats and Seahawk totals... Anyone?

 

[drunken slob]

throw aways?

Agree

Are Targets part of the Official Scoring stats?

While every attempt should have a target, passes out of bounds and other incompletions most likely aren't scored or assigned, "Officially."

I view these like the basketball stat, "Team." Example, when an errant shot that hits the rim goes out of bounds and nobody makes the rebound. The team category gets credit for the rebound.

Just my

 

[12punch]

how would throwaways give you fewer passes than targets?

 

[12punch]

Seattle is going to have a target that doesn't count towards any of those positions.

Explain please? Oh wait, is this a reference to the INT in the SB? haha

I get throwaways. What I don't understand is pass attempt total less than the total targets.I see the same thing happen with the Pats and Seahawk totals... Anyone?

according to profootballreference pats have 609 attempts and 601 targets

don't see anything wrong with that

edit: they have carolina at 545 attempts and 540 targets

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Seattle is going to have a target that doesn't count towards any of those positions.

Explain please? Oh wait, is this a reference to the INT in the SB? haha

I get throwaways. What I don't understand is pass attempt total less than the total targets.I see the same thing happen with the Pats and Seahawk totals... Anyone?

according to profootballreference pats have 609 attempts and 601 targets

don't see anything wrong with that

edit: they have carolina at 545 attempts and 540 targets

I have Carolina's targets at 561. I pulled these numbers off FFToday and crossed checked a few of the numbers with football outsiders and didn't find any discrepancies. Maybe both sites stats are wacked. Gonna try profootballreference thanks!

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Maybe spikes to stop the clock?

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I must not be splaining the issue very well...

The total pass attempts for the Panthers is a smaller number than the total when individual targets are added up. WTF?. Things like spikes would account for discrepancies IF the total pass attempts were greater than individual targets, but not this scenario. Like I said I see it with the Pats and Seahawk numbers as well.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Plays taken away because of penalties?

I'm grasping at straws here.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I must not be splaining the issue very well...

The total pass attempts for the Panthers is a smaller number than the total when individual targets are added up. WTF?. Things like spikes would account for discrepancies IF the total pass attempts were greater than individual targets, but not this scenario. Like I said I see it with the Pats and Seahawk numbers as well.

You explained it fine. My reading comprehension was down.

 

[Bri]

When I worked for a stat company, no one doublechecked targets. That is, I'd see 8 million opinions on every other stat, but targets weren't discussed.

During a game there's 5 guys scoring one team, 5 doing another. Before the next snap you put RB 5 yards between RT RG, tackled by this guy and that guy finding their name in lists or just typing their # and I was always blown away how little time you have. I got better at it, as everyone does, and a few games in I was cruising but...I gave next to no second thought to whether it was a throw away or target-scored it, move on. I actually hated it when one guy tipped it and another caught it because the system just didn't let me give one guy a target and the other a catch and target.

After games, back then, 3 people watched the tape with an average from all the 10 previous and readjusted some things, re-analyzed etc and then things became official.

Nowhere in this process do I ever recall reading about targets being reviewed.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

From my experience of gathering stats in this manner for the last decade or so, this is the first year something like this has cropped up. And it occurred with 3 teams. Bri, I tend to think your correct and the target data must be off.

 

[grateful zed]

that is a head scratcher.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Maybe some plays have 2 targets listed for 1 pass attempt?

 

[Biabreakable]

While looking at team stats from the pass year I am noticing the number of pass attempts and total targets do not match up. For instance, the Panthers attempted 545 passes. Targets by position for the Panthers shows 69 (RB), 344 (WR), 148 (TE) for a total of 561. I see a similar discrepancy with all the teams. Sometimes it is a negative number, sometimes a positive number, but are targets and attempt equal

What gives?

What are you using for source data?

The Panthers according to PFR had 545 total passing attempts and 540 targets assigned to players.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I think targets in the NFL are like hits in the NHL - a stat that's done on the fly and never verified.

 

[Niles Standish]

What about passes to OL, QBs or defensive players? That's all I can think.

Edit saw yours is the opposite, my best guess is halfway between and 2 players get targets.

 

[12punch]

While looking at team stats from the pass year I am noticing the number of pass attempts and total targets do not match up. For instance, the Panthers attempted 545 passes. Targets by position for the Panthers shows 69 (RB), 344 (WR), 148 (TE) for a total of 561. I see a similar discrepancy with all the teams. Sometimes it is a negative number, sometimes a positive number, but are targets and attempt equal

What gives?

What are you using for source data?

The Panthers according to PFR had 545 total passing attempts and 540 targets assigned to players.

WHAT ??!!!

 

[32 Counter Pass]

While looking at team stats from the pass year I am noticing the number of pass attempts and total targets do not match up. For instance, the Panthers attempted 545 passes. Targets by position for the Panthers shows 69 (RB), 344 (WR), 148 (TE) for a total of 561. I see a similar discrepancy with all the teams. Sometimes it is a negative number, sometimes a positive number, but are targets and attempt equal

What gives?

What are you using for source data?

The Panthers according to PFR had 545 total passing attempts and 540 targets assigned to players.

Does PFR show player targets? If so, what are the totals for the Panthers? I use FFToady and crossed checked the targets with football outsiders. Both sites have the same target data.

 

[12punch]

Seattle is going to have a target that doesn't count towards any of those positions.

Explain please? Oh wait, is this a reference to the INT in the SB? haha

I get throwaways. What I don't understand is pass attempt total less than the total targets.I see the same thing happen with the Pats and Seahawk totals... Anyone?

according to profootballreference pats have 609 attempts and 601 targets

don't see anything wrong with that

edit: they have carolina at 545 attempts and 540 targets

Gonna try profootballreference thanks!

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Yup, PFR's stats resolved the issue. Sad commentary on effort at FF Today and Footbsll outsiders...

 

[Dezbelief]

Seattle is going to have a target that doesn't count towards any of those positions.

Explain please? Oh wait, is this a reference to the INT in the SB? haha

I get throwaways. What I don't understand is pass attempt total less than the total targets.I see the same thing happen with the Pats and Seahawk totals... Anyone?

The fake field goal when the offensive lineman caught a TD pass.

 

[12punch]

Seattle is going to have a target that doesn't count towards any of those positions.

Explain please? Oh wait, is this a reference to the INT in the SB? haha

I get throwaways. What I don't understand is pass attempt total less than the total targets.I see the same thing happen with the Pats and Seahawk totals... Anyone?

The fake field goal when the offensive lineman caught a TD pass.

stop

 

[PatsWillWin]

Patriot cheating.

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

I can't believe this got over 20 responses.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Slow time of year... Like I said in one of my last posts, using PFR data resolved the discrepancy issue. Take note that FFToday and Football Outsiders may have some faulty data.

 

[12punch]

fftoday = USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties

football outsiders = USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties

 

[Chase Stuart]

Some places count throws on plays called back by penalty as targets. Depending on what your purpose of using targets is, it may make sense to count targets in such a way.