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Sony To Make A Mockery Of Your Blu Ray Discs - 1 TB Coming (1 Viewer)
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MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Angry Beavers
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grateful zed
Footballguy
this is gargantuan
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Footballguy
Fat Nick
Footballguy
I guess it would depend on the stability of these over the long-term. I always had issues with old burnt DVD's going bad after a while. I'd have to trust that the same thing wouldn't happen here before I went that way...
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Insoxicated
Typical sony move... guessing it will follow the trend of make it proprietary = failure, unfortunately.
That said... physical media is dying a rapid death. There is no chance I would trust disc-based physical media to critical backup of 1TB of data. WIth the prices of Hard Disc space in freefall (7200RPM drives can frequently be found at $30-40 per TB) this feels a bit like too little too late.
That said... physical media is dying a rapid death. There is no chance I would trust disc-based physical media to critical backup of 1TB of data. WIth the prices of Hard Disc space in freefall (7200RPM drives can frequently be found at $30-40 per TB) this feels a bit like too little too late.
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Premier
Footballguy
Not anytime soon. I watched an episode of mad men on netflix last night and it was shocking how much worse it was than my blu Ray disks. It's going to be a long long time before streaming can catch up to that.
17seconds
root of all aliai
Agree.
From the story it looks like they'll have a 1TB write-once disk in maybe 2016. How much will the discs be? How much will a burner drive be?
Hard drive prices will be going down in the next couple of years because they are finally past the effects of the 2011 flood in Asia. Hard drives are maybe $20/TB in 2 years.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Just how popular are Blu Ray movies? I've never watched a movie on Blu Ray, and figured it was just a money grab by the electronics industry. The only movies we buy are for the kids.
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If your network connection is fast enough, streaming is surprisingly good. Not to mention most folks don't really care enough about the difference. This is evidenced by anemic bluray sales in 2013 and a projected downward turn in 2014. The fate of physical video media is 100% dependent on bandwidth. Once broadband was ubiquitous, the inferior sound quality of Spotify/Pandora didn't stop it from killing CD sales. The only thing propping up DVD/BluRay sales is limited penetration of 10+Mbps broadband. It's growing rapidly though.
Not to mention that standard BluRay discs are PLENTY of storage for insanely good video/audio quality... there is no need for this format when it comes to watching movies. This is an archival/data play. However with HDD storage in freefall (for local storage) and massive data farms popping up (for remote/cloud storage), there's little room for a new optical media, IMO. Optical media is unreliable, slow, fragile, etc.
Yep. Not to mention solid state storage is freefalling in price as well. Certainly isn't threatening to take over archival storage but by the time this format is ready for prime time (my guess is 2017-2018 before pricing is acceptable for mass market), I expect most laptops/desktops sold in the US will feature SSD for primary on-device storage.
Apple has already made the move of removing optical media from all laptops... generally most other manufacturers follow their lead on stuff like this (see the death of the floppy drive).
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SacramentoBob
Footballguy
I've never seen a Bluray and never have been upset with the quality of what I get through Netflix streaming. OMG I CAN'T SEE THE PORES ON HIS NOSE!
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I'm not sure most of those women are meant to be experienced at that resolutionblue ray porn =
Serously though... bluray is AWESOME to watch. I have a setup connected to a 50" plasma and for some stuff I very much prefer it. No doubt. Just not sure this media is a competitor to BlueRay.
Sarnoff
Footballguy
I still hate the compression. I see lots of artifacts with some titles.I'm not sure most of those women are meant to be experienced at that resolutionblue ray porn =
Serously though... bluray is AWESOME to watch. I have a setup connected to a 50" plasma and for some stuff I very much prefer it. No doubt. Just not sure this media is a competitor to BlueRay.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
I also pretty well went from DVD to just streaming movies and never bothered to go Blu Ray.
It was also about the same time that I quit renting movies, and quit buying movies.. in fact I've pretty well liquidated most of my physical collection.
This idea by Sony is stupid.. i don't want a disc to hold that volume of information.. i wouldn't trust it over a flash drive
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Insoxicated
You realize you're in the extreme minority, right? I'd wager 80% of the population is perfectly happy with DVD quality.... then another 15-17% are MORE than happy with BluRay quality. I don't see this ever really taking off for video/media distribution... not in 2-3 years when it's "affordable". I truly believe this is a data archive play, and a questionable one at that. Willl see though, I guess!I still hate the compression. I see lots of artifacts with some titles.I'm not sure most of those women are meant to be experienced at that resolutionblue ray porn =
Serously though... bluray is AWESOME to watch. I have a setup connected to a 50" plasma and for some stuff I very much prefer it. No doubt. Just not sure this media is a competitor to BlueRay.
Sarnoff
Footballguy
There are few real options for storing data long term. I mean, we deal with this often, take some TV show from the 80s or 90s that was shot on film but broadcast in Standard Def. So when we want to release it on Blu-Ray, we have to go back to the original film negatives, transfer them to HD, then re-master each episode one-by-one (by far the worst part of the job is finding the original stock footage in high-def. Good luck finding a shot of a specific NY brownstone 20 years ago and tracking down the camera negative, because you can't reshoot it now without a Prius in your shot). But at least we have the original film recordings for the action 20 years later. But stuff that's shot digitally? I don't know what to trust for 30 years down the line when we want to do the 4K re-re-release of "JOEY"... store the original hard drives in an abandoned salt mine? Burn everything to a disk and hope they survive? Keep the media online in a RAID array for perpetuity? Terabytes isn't even our scale anymore, a whole series, every alternate take, every camera angle, all the different versions from editor's cut to director's cut to final broadcast, the VFX files, it's a lot of 1s and 0s.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I can see a use for this. As we talked about in one of the other threads, I am getting a NAS to store all my families video and pictures. It would be nice to have a 1 TB Disc to offer a person another level of redundancy. So not only do you have stored videos on your HD array but lets say there is a fire or your NAS gets struck by lightning, it would be really nice to additionally have these videos on 3-4 discs and store them at your office or somewhere off-site.
Maybe I am the only one
Maybe I am the only one
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Insoxicated
Amazon Glacier FTW.I can see a use for this. As we talked about in one of the other threads, I am getting a NAS to store all my families video and pictures. It would be nice to have a 1 TB Disc to offer a person another level of redundancy. So not only do you have stored videos on your HD array but lets say there is a fire or your NAS gets struck by lightning, it would be really nice to additionally have these videos on 3-4 discs and store them at your office or somewhere off-site.
Maybe I am the only one
And I see pricing continuing to fall dramatically at sources like that.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
The idea that you would trust anything to a flash drive is kind of laughable. I wouldn't necessarily trust it to the 1TB Bluray either, but a flash drive is about the worst thing you can store something on without a backup. Optical media is pretty safe as long as you keep it unscratched and out of the sun/heat. But it isn't really good for backup either. These days, I'd just get a large external hard drive and backup to that, and if you need more security, buy a second HD, keep it off-site and swap the two drives once a week or once a month from your offsite location.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Family Pictures, Tax Documents, Music, Family Videos, etc... If your house burns down then you've lost everything, even your backups.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
I don't (most of the stuff I need to have is in some sort of cloud backup) but anyone that runs a home business should consider having a solid backup strategy. I should be backing up better, and I do plan to implement something similar to what I described except I'll be using an online server in place of the off-site hard drive most likely.
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Insoxicated
You guys know they have this cool things called data centers now, right? Where companies who specialize in backing up data offsite, complete with raid redundancy and backups of those backups and whatnot, are willing to do this for pennies a day? Ya? We know about this stuff?
While HDD>Optical, the idea of ferreting around HDs through some arcane system of offsite storage seems silly to me. Buy a pair of cheap 2-3TB drives. RAID them or time machine them or whatever... Then set up weekly offloads to a data center if you're that worried.
Or if pennies count, check out crashplan's FREE offsite data backup service (to another CPU/Drive you own) in addition to FREE local archiving. You only pay if you want to archive (unlimited) to their servers.
While HDD>Optical, the idea of ferreting around HDs through some arcane system of offsite storage seems silly to me. Buy a pair of cheap 2-3TB drives. RAID them or time machine them or whatever... Then set up weekly offloads to a data center if you're that worried.
Or if pennies count, check out crashplan's FREE offsite data backup service (to another CPU/Drive you own) in addition to FREE local archiving. You only pay if you want to archive (unlimited) to their servers.
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Dexter
Footballguy
Maelstrom
Footballguy
That's pretty much my plan. But the multi-hd setup is a very simple way for non-computer people do be better protected.You guys know they have this cool things called data centers now, right? Where companies who specialize in backing up data offsite, complete with raid redundancy and backups of those backups and whatnot, are willing to do this for pennies a day? Ya? We know about this stuff?
While HDD>Optical, the idea of ferreting around HDs through some arcane system of offsite storage seems silly to me. Buy a pair of cheap 2-3TB drives. RAID them or time machine them or whatever... Then set up weekly offloads to a data center if you're that worried.
Or if pennies count, check out crashplan's FREE offsite data backup service (to another CPU/Drive you own) in addition to FREE local archiving. You only pay if you want to archive (unlimited) to their servers.
hxperson
Footballguy
This is just Sony being Sony again, setting themselves up for another epic failure and writedown. They always get stuck in a form factor/delivery method and keep investing heavily to innovate on those parameters even though the writing is on the wall that those parameters are essentially obsolete. See the Mini-Disc, or their last batch of CRT televisions (FD Trintron's I believe).
Right now, we have SSD mSata drives out there that are a fraction of the size of a BR optical disk, deliver super fast data speeds, can store up to 480 GB's, and can be re-written thousands of times. On top of that, as icon and others have alluded to, we've made massive progress in cloud computing, network data transfer speeds (both wired and wireless), and the online media streaming service model. I have a hard time seeing many people caring about clunkly write-once disks that are too big to fit in your pocket and can only carry 1TB of data two years from now.
Right now, we have SSD mSata drives out there that are a fraction of the size of a BR optical disk, deliver super fast data speeds, can store up to 480 GB's, and can be re-written thousands of times. On top of that, as icon and others have alluded to, we've made massive progress in cloud computing, network data transfer speeds (both wired and wireless), and the online media streaming service model. I have a hard time seeing many people caring about clunkly write-once disks that are too big to fit in your pocket and can only carry 1TB of data two years from now.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
good post.
i meant external hard drive. I have about 3 of these things that are about 500 GB.
I figured it was similar technology to a flash drive with just larger storage.. didn't know they were technically different
