SotT Dynasty Rankings Wide Receivers (2009) (1 Viewer)

[Max Power]

Wide Receiver Rankings | December 11, 2008

WIDE RECEIVERS

TIER ONE

1. Larry Fitzgerald, ARI | Age: 26.0 | Value Score: 99

2. Andre Johnson, HOU | Age: 28.2 | Value Score: 98

3. Calvin Johnson, DET | Age: 24.0 | Value Score: 98

4. Steve Smith, CAR | Age: 30.3 | Value Score: 97

5. Anquan Boldin, ARI | Age: 28.9 | Value Score: 95

6. Greg Jennings, GB | Age: 26.0 | Value Score: 94

Leading the NFL in several receiving categories, Jennings is a true No. 1.

7. Roddy White, ATL | Age: 27.8 | Value Score: 94

Offseason concerns about the deleterious effects of a rookie quarterback were overblown. I'm guilty as charged.

8. Reggie Wayne, IND | Age: 30.8 | Value Score: 93

9. Brandon Marshall, DEN | Age: 25.5 | Value Score: 93

TIER TWO

10. Randy Moss, NE | Age: 32.6 | Value Score: 88

11. Marques Colston, NO | Age: 26.3 | Value Score: 86

When can we start asking if Colston is injury-prone? He certainly doesn't leave me with a warm and safe feeling.

12. Dwayne Bowe, KC | Age: 25.0 | Value Score: 86

13. Terrell Owens, DAL | Age: 35.8 | Value Score: 85

14. Wes Welker, NE | Age: 28.3 | Value Score: 83

Still valuable in PPR leagues, but he can't get in the end zone with Cassel under center.

15. Lee Evans, BUF | Age: 28.5 | Value Score: 81

16. Eddie Royal, DEN | Age: 23.3 | Value Score: 78

17. Braylon Edwards, CLE | Age: 26.5 | Value Score: 77

Flashed that big play ability against the Giants. Personally, I'd sell now for a more reliable stud if possible.

TIER THREE

18. Santana Moss, WAS | Age: 30.3 | Value Score: 71

He'll bounce back, but would-be WR1s don't pull a disappearing act for two straight games.

19. T.J. Houshmandzadeh, CIN | Age: 31.9 | Value Score: 71

A lost season for the Bengals. Might be time to hope he leaves Cincy after the 2008 season.

20. Roy Williams, DAL | Age: 27.7 | Value Score: 70

21. Santonio Holmes, PIT | Age: 25.5 | Value Score: 70

22. Vincent Jackson, SD | Age: 26.7 | Value Score: 69

Much more valuable in Dynasty than redraft, V-Jax just keeps improving every year. The sky is the limit with an improved QB getting him more and more involved in the offense.

23. DeSean Jackson, PHI | Age: 22.8 | Value Score: 68

24. Jerricho Cotchery, NYJ | Age: 27.3 | Value Score: 68

25. Hines Ward, PIT | Age: 33.5 | Value Score: 67

26. Anthony Gonzalez, IND | Age: 25.0 | Value Score: 66

TIER FOUR

27. Lance Moore, NO | Age: 26.1 | Value Score: 59

The gravy train is over with Moore moving to the slot upon Marques Colston's return.

28. Antonio Bryant, TB | Age: 28.5 | Value Score: 58

Coach Gruden informed Joey Galloway that Bryant is keeping the fantasy friendly starting split end job.

29. Chad Ocho Cinco, CIN | Age: 31.6 | Value Score: 57

He's passed the buy-low window and entered legitimate concern territory. He and Palmer haven't been on the same page, and the Bengals franchise is going down the toilet again.

30. Bernard Berrian, MIN | Age: 28.7 | Value Score: 56

Three straight games with a TD and hasn't been held under 75 yards since Gus Frerotte took over the passing offense.

31. Marvin Harrison, IND | Age: 37.0 | Value Score: 53

32. Laveranues Coles, NYJ | Age: 31.7 | Value Score: 52

Should remain heavily targeted as long as Brett Favre is around.

33. Ted Ginn Jr., MIA | Age: 24.4 | Value Score: 50

34. *Matt Jones, JAX | Age: 26.4 | Value Score: 48

Not only has he emerged as David Garrard's go-to guy in the Jags offense, he's played so well that they can't afford to take him out of the lineup.

TIER FIVE

35. Torry Holt, STL | Age: 33.3 | Value Score: 40

Needs out of St. Louis desperately.

36. Domenik Hixon, NYG | Age: 24.9 | Value Score: 39

Built on an impressive preseason with a breakout game starting in Plax's place.

37. Derrick Mason, BAL | Age: 35.6 | Value Score: 38

38.

Plaxico Burress, NYG | Age: 32.1 | Value Score: 37The return of the "High Knucklehead Factor." Plax is simply not reliable.

39. Josh Morgan, SF | Age: 24.2 | Value Score: 36

Finally back in the starting lineup after a dominant preseason, the rookie is the 49ers' best playmaker at WR.

40. Kevin Walter, HOU | Age: 28.1 | Value Score: 35

Sketchy long-term value, but he could be a borderline WR3 the rest of this season.

41. Chris Chambers, SD | Age: 31.1 | Value Score: 34

42. Kevin Curtis, PHI | Age: 31.2 | Value Score: 34

43. Donnie Avery, STL | Age: 23.6 | Value Score: 33

44. Sidney Rice, MIN | Age: 23.0 | Value Score: 32

45. Devin Thomas, WAS | Age: 22.8 | Value Score: 32

46. Donald Driver, GB | Age: 34.6 | Value Score: 30

It doesn't pay to be Favre's go-to guy when Favre is no longer around; heading into his mid-thirties, Driver may be entering his last startable season.

47. Mark Clayton, BAL | Age: 27.2 | Value Score: 30

It's time to call a flop a flop. Clayton is a wide receiver that never gets in the end zone and averages less than 10 yards per catch. It's time to turn the page.

TIER SIX

48. Mike Walker, JAX | Age: 24.8 | Value Score: 23

The reported sprained MCL is a bit of a hangover from Walker's coming out party on national television Sunday night. You may have to wait a few weeks, but Walker has turned the corner and earned his quarterback's trust.

49. Malcolm Kelly, WAS | Age: 22.7 | Value Score: 23

50. Jordy Nelson, GB | Age: 24.3 | Value Score: 22

51. James Jones, GB | Age: 25.5 | Value Score: 21

52. [#]James Hardy, BUF | Age: 23.7 | Value Score: 20

53. Steve Breaston, ARI | Age: 26.0 | Value Score: 20

54. Devin Hester, CHI | Age: 26.8 | Value Score: 19

The talent was always there, and now it appears that he's taken the step to legit wide receiver. He's gone from stash-and-hope to actual weekly production.

55. Deion Branch, SEA | Age: 30.2 | Value Score: 19

The most over-rated fantasy receiver of recent memory suffered yet another injury in his first game back. He can't stay healthy, doesn't get in the end zone, and has never broken 1,000 yards in a season.

55. #Mark Bradley, KC | Age: 27.7 | Value Score: 19

56. Jason Hill, SF | Age: 24.6 | Value Score: 18

57. Justin Gage, TEN | Age: 28.6 | Value Score: 17

58. Limas Sweed, PIT | Age: 24.7 | Value Score: 16

59. Steve Smith, NYG | Age: 24.4 | Value Score: 16

60. [#]Nate Burleson, SEA | Age: 28.0 | Value Score: 15

61. Harry Douglas, ATL | Age: 23.9 | Value Score: 14

62. Davone Bess, MIA | Age: 23.9 | Value Score: 13

63. Isaac Bruce, SF | Age: 36.8 | Value Score: 12

GRAB BAG

64. Reggie Brown, PHI | Age: 28.7 | Value Score: 8

65. Jacoby Jones, HOU | Age: 25.2 | Value Score: 8

66. Malcom Floyd, SD | Age: 28.0 | Value Score: 8

67. Robert Meachem, NO | Age: 25.0 | Value Score: 7

68. Jerome Simpson, CIN | Age: 23.6 | Value Score: 7

69. Mario Manningham, NYG | Age: 23.3 | Value Score: 6

70. Laurent Robinson, ATL | Age: 24.4 | Value Score: 6

71. Reggie Williams, JAX | Age: 26.4 | Value Score: 6

72. Early Doucet, ARI | Age: 23.8 | Value Score: 6

73. Chris Henry, CIN | Age: 26.3 | Value Score: 6

74. [#]Jerry Porter, JAX | Age: 31.2 | Value Score: 5

Raise your hand if you fell for the hype. Now slap yourself.

75. Donte' Stallworth, CLE | Age: 28.8 | Value Score: 5

76. Michael Jenkins, ATL | Age: 27.2 | Value Score: 5

77. Devery Henderson, NO | Age: 27.5 | Value Score: 5

78. [#]Javon Walker, OAK | Age: 30.9 | Value Score: 4

Swampland in Florida.

79. Brandon Jones, TEN | Age: 30.4 | Value Score: 4

80. [#]Greg Camarillo, MIA | Age: 27.4 | Value Score: 4

81. Brandon Stokley, DEN | Age: 33.2 | Value Score: 4

82. Amani Toomer, NYG | Age: 35.0 | Value Score: 4

83. Bobby Engram, SEA | Age: 36.7 | Value Score: 4

With the clock ticking on his career, Engram must be an advantage in 2008 to have Dynasty value. It's not looking good.

84. Joey Galloway, TB | Age: 37.8 | Value Score: 4

85. Muhsin Muhammad, CAR | Age: 36.4 | Value Score: 3

86. Hank Baskett, PHI | Age: 27.0 | Value Score: 3

87. D.J. Hackett, CAR | Age: 28.1 | Value Score: 3

Long a stat-head darling, but there was a reason Hackett drew so little interest on the free agent market this past offseason: he can't stay healthy. Local beats believe Dwayne Jarrett will take his job soon.

88. Bryant Johnson, SF | Age: 28.5 | Value Score: 3

89. Ronald Curry, OAK | Age: 30.4 | Value Score: 3

90. Brandon Lloyd, CHI | Age: 28.2 | Value Score: 3

91. Dwayne Jarrett, CAR | Age: 23.0 | Value Score: 3

92. Lavelle Hawkins, TEN | Age: 23.2 | Value Score: 2

93. Isaiah Stanback, DAL | Age: 25.1 | Value Score: 2

94. Darrell Jackson, DEN | Age: 30.7 | Value Score: 2

95. [#]Craig Davis, SD | Age: 23.9 | Value Score: 2

97. Chaz Schilens, OAK | Age: 23.8 | Value Score: 2

98. Antwaan Randle El, WAS | Age: 30.1 | Value Score: 2

Pretty legit list IMO. I'd still like to see Berrian a bit higher though

 

[EBF]

Not bad. I'd move Jennings, Royal, and Ocho up. I also think you have Rice, Avery, and Ma. Clayton too low.

Overall, I think you're too enamored of mediocre veterans and too skeptical of prospects. There's also too much of a 2008 influence here. These rankings are very reactionary (Lance Moore?).

 

[Max Power]

Not bad. I'd move Jennings, Royal, and Ocho up. I also think you have Rice, Avery, and Ma. Clayton too low. Overall, I think you're too enamored of mediocre veterans and too skeptical of prospects. There's also too much of a 2008 influence here. These rankings are very reactionary (Lance Moore?).

They actually aren't my rankings, but thought they would generate good discussions. Thank F&L for these.Move Jennings up? from 6? Who would you move down?

 

[EBF]

Not bad. I'd move Jennings, Royal, and Ocho up. I also think you have Rice, Avery, and Ma. Clayton too low. Overall, I think you're too enamored of mediocre veterans and too skeptical of prospects. There's also too much of a 2008 influence here. These rankings are very reactionary (Lance Moore?).

They actually aren't my rankings, but thought they would generate good discussions. Thank F&L for these.Move Jennings up? from 6? Who would you move down?

I'd take him over Smith and Boldin. He's four years younger than Smith and three years younger than Q. I also think he happens to play a style of football that gives him great longevity potential. I could see him staying productive well into his 30s ala Isaac Bruce or Tim Brown. I would also take Calvin over AJ. Similar talent, but four years younger. That's an easy decision.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Not bad. I'd move Jennings, Royal, and Ocho up. I also think you have Rice, Avery, and Ma. Clayton too low. Overall, I think you're too enamored of mediocre veterans and too skeptical of prospects. There's also too much of a 2008 influence here. These rankings are very reactionary (Lance Moore?).

I tend to agree about Moore, but when i look at the players below him, i would have a hard time moving him down. I would definatley take Royal above the three players directly in front of him. Jennings at #6 seems fair, which of the 5 guys ahead of him would you not prefer? I would take Jennings over Boldin. I dont think very highly of Chad Johnson, but if and when he leaves the Bengals, he should move up 10 spots.

 

[loose circuits]

I think Dwayne Bowe belongs in the top tier. Once Gonzo is gone, his #'s are only going to improve. He already gets double teamed. The Chiefs could have potential

Antonio Bryant is also too low. He's the real deal as long as he stays on the field and model citizen of late outside of chomping off at Deion/Emmitt

Brandon Marshall should be in the top 5

Calvin is #1. What he's done with what's around him is amazing. Not too many WR's who's #'s would improve on every other team in the NFL. He sees constant double, triple, and quadruple coverage but beats it a few times a game. I own both Calvin and Andre, I would sell Andre a lot faster than Calvin.

Also, I don't think Walter's long term value is sketchy. Think Ed McCaffery when I see him play or Joe Jurevicius

 

[Burning Sensation]

I think Dwayne Bowe belongs in the top tier. Once Gonzo is gone, his #'s are only going to improve. He already gets double teamed. The Chiefs could have potential

Antonio Bryant is also too low. He's the real deal as long as he stays on the field and model citizen of late outside of chomping off at Deion/Emmitt

Brandon Marshall should be in the top 5

Calvin is #1. What he's done with what's around him is amazing. Not too many WR's who's #'s would improve on every other team in the NFL. He sees constant double, triple, and quadruple coverage but beats it a few times a game. I own both Calvin and Andre, I would sell Andre a lot faster than Calvin.

Based on what? Marshall is becoming one of the most overhyped dynasty WR's. He is definately talented, but he has been living of his huge game in week 2.Antonio Bryant has looked great this season, but he has alot more to prove before i would put him any higher.

 

[EBF]

Not bad. I'd move Jennings, Royal, and Ocho up. I also think you have Rice, Avery, and Ma. Clayton too low. Overall, I think you're too enamored of mediocre veterans and too skeptical of prospects. There's also too much of a 2008 influence here. These rankings are very reactionary (Lance Moore?).

I tend to agree about Moore, but when i look at the players below him, i would have a hard time moving him down. I would definatley take Royal above the three players directly in front of him. Jennings at #6 seems fair, which of the 5 guys ahead of him would you not prefer? I would take Jennings over Boldin. I dont think very highly of Chad Johnson, but if and when he leaves the Bengals, he should move up 10 spots.

I put a premium on guys like Calvin, Fitzgerald, Jennings, Bowe, and Royal because they're young players who have proven to me that they'll be productive as long as they stay healthy. Those are the guys you build around in dynasty. As I mentioned above, I'd take Jennings over Boldin and Smith. I own Adrian Peterson in a PPR dynasty league. Jennings is one of the 4-5 guys I'd consider in a deal for Peterson. He's been productive throughout his career, he's in a great situation, and he passes the eyeball test. He might be the second coming of Torry Holt. That's gold in PPR dynasty.Chad Johnson is this year's version of the Oakland Raiders version of Randy Moss. A lot of factors have conspired to keep his production down well below what we've come to expect from him. Once he gets healthy and gets an NFL caliber QB, I would expect him to return to his 1,200+ yard form. He's not old and he doesn't have bad knees. He'll be one of my top buy lows in redrafts and dynasties next year. I know he's a nutcase, but it doesn't matter. He's a great player. Great players get endless opportunities. Some team will get Chad under control and trot him out there like they do with TO, Moss, Bryant, etc.

 

[Max Power]

I think Dwayne Bowe belongs in the top tier. Once Gonzo is gone, his #'s are only going to improve. He already gets double teamed. The Chiefs could have potentialAntonio Bryant is also too low. He's the real deal as long as he stays on the field and model citizen of late outside of chomping off at Deion/EmmittBrandon Marshall should be in the top 5Calvin is #1. What he's done with what's around him is amazing. Not too many WR's who's #'s would improve on every other team in the NFL. He sees constant double, triple, and quadruple coverage but beats it a few times a game. I own both Calvin and Andre, I would sell Andre a lot faster than Calvin.Also, I don't think Walter's long term value is sketchy. Think Ed McCaffery when I see him play or Joe Jurevicius

I'm high on Bowe as well. Only problem is that for those who don't own him, it seems like he has too high of a price tag to acquire.Bryant is about to have a new QB soon, that in my mind limits his value.Marshall is still over-valued in my mind and I'm not sold on Walter, he seems easily replaceable in that offense

 

[Riffraff]

The comments are definitely not updated as of December 11th. Some look like they were written during the pre-season or start of the season. Not just the WR rankings, but all of them.

 

[loose circuits]

I think Dwayne Bowe belongs in the top tier. Once Gonzo is gone, his #'s are only going to improve. He already gets double teamed. The Chiefs could have potential

Antonio Bryant is also too low. He's the real deal as long as he stays on the field and model citizen of late outside of chomping off at Deion/Emmitt

Brandon Marshall should be in the top 5

Calvin is #1. What he's done with what's around him is amazing. Not too many WR's who's #'s would improve on every other team in the NFL. He sees constant double, triple, and quadruple coverage but beats it a few times a game. I own both Calvin and Andre, I would sell Andre a lot faster than Calvin.

Based on what? Marshall is becoming one of the most overhyped dynasty WR's. He is definately talented, but he has been living of his huge game in week 2.Antonio Bryant has looked great this season, but he has alot more to prove before i would put him any higher.

Marshall had a pretty good week 14 as well. As Eddie Royal, Cutler, and Scheffler mature around him things will only get better. They have also rebuilt the offensive line successfully and Cutler absolutely loves throwing to him. Not to mention he's probably one of the top 5 WR's talent wise. If Denver can get that bell cow RB as well...I'd take his upside over any of the 30+ year olds

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

I like the top 3 in any order: AJ FITZ CALVIN (those are the guys in enamored with)

 

[loose circuits]

I think Dwayne Bowe belongs in the top tier. Once Gonzo is gone, his #'s are only going to improve. He already gets double teamed. The Chiefs could have potentialAntonio Bryant is also too low. He's the real deal as long as he stays on the field and model citizen of late outside of chomping off at Deion/EmmittBrandon Marshall should be in the top 5Calvin is #1. What he's done with what's around him is amazing. Not too many WR's who's #'s would improve on every other team in the NFL. He sees constant double, triple, and quadruple coverage but beats it a few times a game. I own both Calvin and Andre, I would sell Andre a lot faster than Calvin.Also, I don't think Walter's long term value is sketchy. Think Ed McCaffery when I see him play or Joe Jurevicius

I'm high on Bowe as well. Only problem is that for those who don't own him, it seems like he has too high of a price tag to acquire.Bryant is about to have a new QB soon, that in my mind limits his value.Marshall is still over-valued in my mind and I'm not sold on Walter, he seems easily replaceable in that offense

the reason his price tag is so well is because he's had 2 pretty damn good seasons with a mess around him. If they ever get firing on all cylinders, he can be special. They have shown signs of lifeBryant has got it done with Garcia and Griese. I like Josh Johnson's potential and Luke McCown's for that matter...whoever the QB is, they'll still be running Gruden's offenseWe'll have to agree to disagree on Marshall. I think his talent/situation justifies the hype. Walter will always find a job, he knows how to get open

 

[Burning Sensation]

Not bad. I'd move Jennings, Royal, and Ocho up. I also think you have Rice, Avery, and Ma. Clayton too low. Overall, I think you're too enamored of mediocre veterans and too skeptical of prospects. There's also too much of a 2008 influence here. These rankings are very reactionary (Lance Moore?).

I tend to agree about Moore, but when i look at the players below him, i would have a hard time moving him down. I would definatley take Royal above the three players directly in front of him. Jennings at #6 seems fair, which of the 5 guys ahead of him would you not prefer? I would take Jennings over Boldin. I dont think very highly of Chad Johnson, but if and when he leaves the Bengals, he should move up 10 spots.

I put a premium on guys like Calvin, Fitzgerald, Jennings, Bowe, and Royal because they're young players who have proven to me that they'll be productive as long as they stay healthy. Those are the guys you build around in dynasty. As I mentioned above, I'd take Jennings over Boldin and Smith. I own Adrian Peterson in a PPR dynasty league. Jennings is one of the 4-5 guys I'd consider in a deal for Peterson. He's been productive throughout his career, he's in a great situation, and he passes the eyeball test. He might be the second coming of Torry Holt. That's gold in PPR dynasty.Chad Johnson is this year's version of the Oakland Raiders version of Randy Moss. A lot of factors have conspired to keep his production down well below what we've come to expect from him. Once he gets healthy and gets an NFL caliber QB, I would expect him to return to his 1,200+ yard form. He's not old and he doesn't have bad knees. He'll be one of my top buy lows in redrafts and dynasties next year. I know he's a nutcase, but it doesn't matter. He's a great player. Great players get endless opportunities. Some team will get Chad under control and trot him out there like they do with TO, Moss, Bryant, etc.

I agree with you about Jennings, i just thought by you mentioning he needed to be moved up, i thought you meant higher than two spots. I have both him and Smith in a dynasty league, and plan to move Smith in the offseason as i have a plethora of WR's. So i guess i would take Jennings over Smith as well.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Bryant has got it done with Garcia and Griese. I like Josh Johnson's potential and Luke McCown's for that matter...whoever the QB is, they'll still be running Gruden's offense

What makes you think Bryant is a lock to be back in Tampa in 2009?

 

[Max Power]

F & L....Why the love for Roy Williams? #20 overall? Seems high for a guy who is oft injured and might not be a featured target for a few years

 

[Fear & Loathing]

F & L....Why the love for Roy Williams? #20 overall? Seems high for a guy who is oft injured and might not be a featured target for a few years

Talent, Future Opportunity + lack of studs after #20. I admit he's not earning the ranking right now. I just don't know who I would rather have from the bunch below him.

 

[EBF]

I hope you're not dissing Mark Clayton quite as bad in your current rankings. I know he's been useless as an FF player for quite a while now and I'm not going to say he'll ever be a stud or even a 1,000 yard WR, but I still think he's a solid player who has the potential to thrive in the right situation. That Bengals game was nasty.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80cea4ae

 

[Max Power]

F & L....Why the love for Roy Williams? #20 overall? Seems high for a guy who is oft injured and might not be a featured target for a few years

Talent, Future Opportunity + lack of studs after #20. I admit he's not earning the ranking right now. I just don't know who I would rather have from the bunch below him.

Understandable. I was really hoping this was going to be the breakout year for Santonio Holmes. I'd still make a case for ranking Anthony Gonzalez and maybe Ginn above Roy.I swear I'm not an OSU fan either...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

F & L....Why the love for Roy Williams? #20 overall? Seems high for a guy who is oft injured and might not be a featured target for a few years

Talent, Future Opportunity + lack of studs after #20. I admit he's not earning the ranking right now. I just don't know who I would rather have from the bunch below him.

How bout everyone from #21 and on...that guy not only doesn't do anything, but he manages to go to the OC with TO to complain? He just got there, and the crowning achievement for him on Sunday Night was tackling Jason Witten at the 1 yard line...I'm sorry I guess he just knocked Witten out of bounds. If you're not going to make any big plays on a super talented Dallas offense, at least have the courtesy to get out of the way of some real playmakers on the team.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I always thought Roy Williams was more athlete than WR, and disguised himself as a top 10 WR due to the amount of times he was thrown at in Detroit. He is in a great situation if and when TO leaves Dallas, so 20-25 range seems like a fair ranking, although you wont ever see him on any of my dynasty teams.

 

[travdogg]

It's nice to see Reggie Wayne still in the top tier, it seems like a lot of people are bailing on him this year and I don't really get it. His value is going to rise once Harrison leaves.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

How do you guys project DeSean Jackson in future years, what kind of stats to expect, which established WRs he compares to?

 

[Fear & Loathing]

It's nice to see Reggie Wayne still in the top tier, it seems like a lot of people are bailing on him this year and I don't really get it. His value is going to rise once Harrison leaves.

He was never one of "my guys," so I didn't really have to bail on him. I think he's a guy who gets more value out of situation than talent, and I'm not sure this year is a great confidence-builder for what he'll do post-Marvin.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

the reason his price tag is so well is because he's had 2 pretty damn good seasons with a mess around him. If they ever get firing on all cylinders, he can be special. They have shown signs of lifeBryant has got it done with Garcia and Griese. I like Josh Johnson's potential and Luke McCown's for that matter...whoever the QB is, they'll still be running Gruden's offenseWe'll have to agree to disagree on Marshall. I think his talent/situation justifies the hype. Walter will always find a job, he knows how to get open

I see that guys with ridiculously long rap sheets and high idiot factors don't dissuade you in any way.

 

[Burning Sensation]

It's nice to see Reggie Wayne still in the top tier, it seems like a lot of people are bailing on him this year and I don't really get it. His value is going to rise once Harrison leaves.

Yep, and i am going to use that to trade him this offseason.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I hope you're not dissing Mark Clayton quite as bad in your current rankings. I know he's been useless as an FF player for quite a while now and I'm not going to say he'll ever be a stud or even a 1,000 yard WR, but I still think he's a solid player who has the potential to thrive in the right situation. That Bengals game was nasty.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80cea4ae

He's due for a bump.That said, he's far from a sure thing. After that Top-20 or so, everybody has their pet projects that could thrive if given the right environment. I don't have any problem with Clayton being one of those pet projects, but he's certainly not what I thought he was going to be two years ago.

Oh, and I saw that whole game against the Bengals. It was one of the best games a wide receiver has ever had in the NFL. Seriously.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

The comments are definitely not updated as of December 11th. Some look like they were written during the pre-season or start of the season. Not just the WR rankings, but all of them.

This is true. Comments are not updated. It's both a time-crunch issue and a conflict of interest with Rotoworld. I'll try to get the comments updated after the season is over.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Chad Johnson is this year's version of the Oakland Raiders version of Randy Moss. A lot of factors have conspired to keep his production down well below what we've come to expect from him. Once he gets healthy and gets an NFL caliber QB, I would expect him to return to his 1,200+ yard form. He's not old and he doesn't have bad knees. He'll be one of my top buy lows in redrafts and dynasties next year. I know he's a nutcase, but it doesn't matter. He's a great player. Great players get endless opportunities. Some team will get Chad under control and trot him out there like they do with TO, Moss, Bryant, etc.

Chad Johnson is a great player, but he's no Randy Moss. . . . And Randy Moss wouldn't have put up 23 TDs in any old offense. He had to go to the one perfect team upon leaving NFL hades. What are the chances Mike Brown sends ol' Ocho to the one perfect team?

 

[travdogg]

It's nice to see Reggie Wayne still in the top tier, it seems like a lot of people are bailing on him this year and I don't really get it. His value is going to rise once Harrison leaves.

He was never one of "my guys," so I didn't really have to bail on him. I think he's a guy who gets more value out of situation than talent, and I'm not sure this year is a great confidence-builder for what he'll do post-Marvin.

I'm a little higher on Wayne's talent than you are I think, being on Indy certainly helps, but I think he'd be a great WR on just about any team.Also, while this year has been a disappointment, its not like he's been a major bust or anything like that. Indy's offense has been somewhat disfunctional this year and everyone's numbers are down. Wayne has been nursing multiple injuries since the Packer game in week 7, which is when he started to tail off, he was playing at an elite level up until that point.I thought 2007 was a great indicator of the post-Marvin era. I had a post in another thread about how Harrison's return has kinda mucked up the offense in the same way that Bush kinda mucks up the Saints offense because it hurts the flow trying to include one guy.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Not bad. I'd move Jennings, Royal, and Ocho up. I also think you have Rice, Avery, and Ma. Clayton too low. Overall, I think you're too enamored of mediocre veterans and too skeptical of prospects. There's also too much of a 2008 influence here. These rankings are very reactionary (Lance Moore?).

The rankings will move more towards 2009 soon. Lance Moore has been a boon for a lot of Dynasty owners this season and has helped them reach the playoffs. That has a lot of value. He also looks like he's a firm grip on the No. 2 role in New Orleans for a long time. That has plenty of value. Heck, why am I defending Lance Moore. He's a player.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I'm a little higher on Wayne's talent than you are I think, being on Indy certainly helps, but I think he'd be a great WR on just about any team.Also, while this year has been a disappointment, its not like he's been a major bust or anything like that. Indy's offense has been somewhat disfunctional this year and everyone's numbers are down. Wayne has been nursing multiple injuries since the Packer game in week 7, which is when he started to tail off, he was playing at an elite level up until that point.I thought 2007 was a great indicator of the post-Marvin era. I had a post in another thread about how Harrison's return has kinda mucked up the offense in the same way that Bush kinda mucks up the Saints offense because it hurts the flow trying to include one guy.

Of course Wayne is a talented guy, but he's nowhere near a Steve Smith level or Andre Johnson level.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Not bad. I'd move Jennings, Royal, and Ocho up. I also think you have Rice, Avery, and Ma. Clayton too low. Overall, I think you're too enamored of mediocre veterans and too skeptical of prospects. There's also too much of a 2008 influence here. These rankings are very reactionary (Lance Moore?).

They actually aren't my rankings, but thought they would generate good discussions. Thank F&L for these.Move Jennings up? from 6? Who would you move down?

I'd take him over Smith and Boldin. He's four years younger than Smith and three years younger than Q. I also think he happens to play a style of football that gives him great longevity potential. I could see him staying productive well into his 30s ala Isaac Bruce or Tim Brown. I would also take Calvin over AJ. Similar talent, but four years younger. That's an easy decision.

Jennings will get bumped over Boldin this week. I hadn't updated yet.It's not surprising that people like him better than Steve Smith. Smith never gets the respect he deserves.

 

[Burning Sensation]

It's nice to see Reggie Wayne still in the top tier, it seems like a lot of people are bailing on him this year and I don't really get it. His value is going to rise once Harrison leaves.

He was never one of "my guys," so I didn't really have to bail on him. I think he's a guy who gets more value out of situation than talent, and I'm not sure this year is a great confidence-builder for what he'll do post-Marvin.

I'm a little higher on Wayne's talent than you are I think, being on Indy certainly helps, but I think he'd be a great WR on just about any team.Also, while this year has been a disappointment, its not like he's been a major bust or anything like that. Indy's offense has been somewhat disfunctional this year and everyone's numbers are down. Wayne has been nursing multiple injuries since the Packer game in week 7, which is when he started to tail off, he was playing at an elite level up until that point.

I thought 2007 was a great indicator of the post-Marvin era. I had a post in another thread about how Harrison's return has kinda mucked up the offense in the same way that Bush kinda mucks up the Saints offense because it hurts the flow trying to include one guy.

Its funny for guys like Wayne and Addai that when Manning isnt on top of his game, those players suffer for it. While i think Wayne is a better WR than Addai is a RB, neither would be close to who they are without Manning.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I thought 2007 was a great indicator of the post-Marvin era. I had a post in another thread about how Harrison's return has kinda mucked up the offense in the same way that Bush kinda mucks up the Saints offense because it hurts the flow trying to include one guy.

Interesting.

 

[EBF]

Chad Johnson is this year's version of the Oakland Raiders version of Randy Moss. A lot of factors have conspired to keep his production down well below what we've come to expect from him. Once he gets healthy and gets an NFL caliber QB, I would expect him to return to his 1,200+ yard form. He's not old and he doesn't have bad knees. He'll be one of my top buy lows in redrafts and dynasties next year. I know he's a nutcase, but it doesn't matter. He's a great player. Great players get endless opportunities. Some team will get Chad under control and trot him out there like they do with TO, Moss, Bryant, etc.

Chad Johnson is a great player, but he's no Randy Moss. . . . And Randy Moss wouldn't have put up 23 TDs in any old offense. He had to go to the one perfect team upon leaving NFL hades. What are the chances Mike Brown sends ol' Ocho to the one perfect team?

Chad Johnson is a five time Pro Bowler. He ranks 11th among active WRs in career receiving yards. No one ahead of him on the list is younger than him. He may not be Randy Moss, but he's not dog meat either. I think you're letting the psycho factor and the down year sway your ranking too much. This guy averaged 90 catches and 1300+ yards over a five year span. He's only 31 years old. Why can't he bounce back? He doesn't need the perfect situation. He always produced in Cincinnati no matter who was the QB (and you can't use the supporting cast argument since his best seasons came before Housh really emerged). He's playing through a torn labrum with a terrible QB. You would give Andre Johnson or Steve Smith a pass for that. I guess it's possible that this was Chad's stick-a-for-in-him season, but I doubt it. My guess is he bounces back and gives you 3-4 more 1100+ yard type years.

 

[EBF]

I hope you're not dissing Mark Clayton quite as bad in your current rankings. I know he's been useless as an FF player for quite a while now and I'm not going to say he'll ever be a stud or even a 1,000 yard WR, but I still think he's a solid player who has the potential to thrive in the right situation. That Bengals game was nasty.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80cea4ae

He's due for a bump.That said, he's far from a sure thing. After that Top-20 or so, everybody has their pet projects that could thrive if given the right environment. I don't have any problem with Clayton being one of those pet projects, but he's certainly not what I thought he was going to be two years ago.

Oh, and I saw that whole game against the Bengals. It was one of the best games a wide receiver has ever had in the NFL. Seriously.

To me, Clayton is sort of like Donald Driver or Derrick Mason. He's never going to be a guy who gets a lot of media attention and makes a lot of Pro Bowls, but with the right supporting cast he can be a nice WR2-WR3 for FF teams. We'll see what happens with Flacco developing and Mason getting old. There had been chatter about Baltimore drafting a first round WR, but Clayton may have played well enough to stave that off.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Chad Johnson is a five time Pro Bowler. He ranks 11th among active WRs in career receiving yards. No one ahead of him on the list is younger than him. He may not be Randy Moss, but he's not dog meat either.

I think you're letting the psycho factor and the down year sway your ranking too much. This guy averaged 90 catches and 1300+ yards over a five year span. He's only 31 years old. Why can't he bounce back?

He doesn't need the perfect situation. He always produced in Cincinnati no matter who was the QB (and you can't use the supporting cast argument since his best seasons came before Housh really emerged). He's playing through a torn labrum with a terrible QB. You would give Andre Johnson or Steve Smith a pass for that. I guess it's possible that this was Chad's stick-a-for-in-him season, but I doubt it. My guess is he bounces back and gives you 3-4 more 1100+ yard type years.

Because he plays for the Bengals, who are in once again in tailspin mode . . . and not likely to pull themselves out of it again any time soon. Would Randy Moss have produced if he stayed with Raiders? Ocho is about as sick of the incompetence surrounding him as Moss was in Oakland. It's a Sisyphean Challenge in Cincinnati right now.I agree that Ocho could produce the 1100+ yard seasons outside of Cincy. Of course it's possible that Mike Brown will take his foot off Ocho's neck now that he's made his point. How bad would that look if Mikey Boy released Ocho a year after turning down two No. 1 draft picks for him? Not that Mikey Boy has ever cared one iota about public opinion, scorn, derision, hangings in effigy, etc.

Will he leave the Bungles any time soon? That's the $64,000 question.

 

[EBF]

Will he leave the Bungles any time soon? That's the $64,000 question.

Well he did have six straight 1,000 yard seasons on the Bengals.I think he can produce there again if he's healthy and Palmer is healthy. He's certainly done it in the past.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Will he leave the Bungles any time soon? That's the $64,000 question.

Well he did have six straight 1,000 yard seasons on the Bengals.I think he can produce there again if he's healthy and Palmer is healthy. He's certainly done it in the past.

How was that going at the beginning of this season?Those old Bengals teams are gone like a fart in the wind. They have no O-Line, they have a QB with a bum elbow, and they have a cloud of failure and incompetence hanging over the Ohio River. They're entering what Oakland was entering a few years back -- or if you prefer, they're re-cycling to what the Bengals have cycled back to time and again since Mike Brown took over.

 

[EBF]

Will he leave the Bungles any time soon? That's the $64,000 question.

Well he did have six straight 1,000 yard seasons on the Bengals.I think he can produce there again if he's healthy and Palmer is healthy. He's certainly done it in the past.

How was that going at the beginning of this season?

Palmer played in four games. Chad Johnson had a torn labrum in all of them. I don't think you can look at this season as an accurate predictor of things to come. I don't expect the Bengals to be any good next season, but when you consider the factors working against Chad Johnson, I think it's pretty easy to see why he's having the worst year of his career since he became a starter.

Those old Bengals teams are gone like a fart in the wind. They have no O-Line, they have a QB with a bum elbow, and they have a cloud of failure and incompetence hanging over the Ohio River. They're entering what Oakland was entering a few years back -- or if you prefer, they're re-cycling to what the Bengals have cycled back to time and again since Mike Brown took over.

They don't need to be a good team in order to yield some useful FF players. If Palmer is healthy and reasonably competent and Johnson is healthy then there's no reason to think they can't both have some value. Good rankings give appropriate weight to a player's upside and downside. When you talk about Chad Johnson, all I hear is the downside. The possibility of him getting healthy and resuming his typical production is a fairly realistic one. I don't see you acknowledging that. In the past I've seen you give a pass to Steve Smith and Andre Johnson when they've struggled through a similar stretch for understandable reasons. But with Ocho (a more accomplished player by almost every metric), you're calling the undertaker before he's even been pronounced dead.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Will he leave the Bungles any time soon? That's the $64,000 question.

Well he did have six straight 1,000 yard seasons on the Bengals.I think he can produce there again if he's healthy and Palmer is healthy. He's certainly done it in the past.

How was that going at the beginning of this season?

Palmer played in four games. Chad Johnson had a torn labrum in all of them. I don't think you can look at this season as an accurate predictor of things to come. I don't expect the Bengals to be any good next season, but when you consider the factors working against Chad Johnson, I think it's pretty easy to see why he's having the worst year of his career since he became a starter.

Those old Bengals teams are gone like a fart in the wind. They have no O-Line, they have a QB with a bum elbow, and they have a cloud of failure and incompetence hanging over the Ohio River. They're entering what Oakland was entering a few years back -- or if you prefer, they're re-cycling to what the Bengals have cycled back to time and again since Mike Brown took over.

They don't need to be a good team in order to yield some useful FF players. If Palmer is healthy and reasonably competent and Johnson is healthy then there's no reason to think they can't both have some value. Good rankings give appropriate weight to a player's upside and downside. When you talk about Chad Johnson, all I hear is the downside. The possibility of him getting healthy and resuming his typical production is a fairly realistic one. I don't see you acknowledging that. In the past I've seen you give a pass to Steve Smith and Andre Johnson when they've struggled through a similar stretch for understandable reasons. But with Ocho (a more accomplished player by almost every metric), you're calling the undertaker before he's even been pronounced dead.

I like to consider all of the factors, and then determine whether the player is worth gambling on or not. Both Smith & Johnson are not only more physically talented than Johnson, they were also significantly younger while going through QB troubles (lost seasons?). Additionally, neither Smith nor Johnson was going to be wearing black & orange stripes the following season. Finally, neither Smith nor Johnson pulls the same type of off the field shenanigans as Ocho. His attitude (and believe me, I don't begrudge him wanting out of that hellhole franchise) has gone from playfully charming to desperately crazy. All things considered, I just think he's a poor gamble at this stage of his career. His career might bounce back somewhat, but the odds are against it bouncing all the way back to where it once was. I don't mind rolling the dice, I'd just assume roll the dice on a non-Bengal. And, yes, I do believe both Smith & Johnson are more physically talented than Ocho. I never believed Ocho was one of the top 2 or 3 most talented WRs in the NFL whereas there have been plenty times over the past five seasons where I've considered either Smith or Johnson the most talented, unstoppable force at WR.

 

[FUBAR]

I like the top 3 in any order: AJ FITZ CALVIN (those are the guys in enamored with)

This is TIER ONE. The rest drop to TIER TWO.

 

[SuperJohn96]

I've got these four players in my Keep THREE league:

RB1. Adrian Peterson, MIN | Age: 24.5 | Value Score: 100

WR1. Larry Fitzgerald, ARI | Age: 26.0 | Value Score: 99

WR2. Andre Johnson, HOU | Age: 28.2 | Value Score: 98

WR6. Greg Jennings, GB | Age: 26.0 | Value Score: 94

I was thinking about keeping Larry and Andre and trading Greg to a team who wants to improve their keepers, but we don't have any limits on how long you can keep a player (indefinitely), so I wonder if Jennings might be a slightly better option.

But I could conievably keep ADP/Larry/Greg for 4 more years and none of them would even be over 30 by then.

Hmm...

 

[FUBAR]

I've got these four players in my Keep THREE league:RB1. Adrian Peterson, MIN | Age: 24.5 | Value Score: 100WR1. Larry Fitzgerald, ARI | Age: 26.0 | Value Score: 99WR2. Andre Johnson, HOU | Age: 28.2 | Value Score: 98WR6. Greg Jennings, GB | Age: 26.0 | Value Score: 94I was thinking about keeping Larry and Andre and trading Greg to a team who wants to improve their keepers, but we don't have any limits on how long you can keep a player (indefinitely), so I wonder if Jennings might be a slightly better option.But I could conievably keep ADP/Larry/Greg for 4 more years and none of them would even be over 30 by then.Hmm...

I suppose it depends what you can get for either, but if it's close to equal, I don't see how you could keep GJ over AJ.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Chad Johnson is this year's version of the Oakland Raiders version of Randy Moss. A lot of factors have conspired to keep his production down well below what we've come to expect from him. Once he gets healthy and gets an NFL caliber QB, I would expect him to return to his 1,200+ yard form. He's not old and he doesn't have bad knees. He'll be one of my top buy lows in redrafts and dynasties next year. I know he's a nutcase, but it doesn't matter. He's a great player. Great players get endless opportunities. Some team will get Chad under control and trot him out there like they do with TO, Moss, Bryant, etc.

Chad Johnson is a great player, but he's no Randy Moss. . . . And Randy Moss wouldn't have put up 23 TDs in any old offense. He had to go to the one perfect team upon leaving NFL hades. What are the chances Mike Brown sends ol' Ocho to the one perfect team?

Chad Johnson is a five time Pro Bowler. He ranks 11th among active WRs in career receiving yards. No one ahead of him on the list is younger than him. He may not be Randy Moss, but he's not dog meat either. I think you're letting the psycho factor and the down year sway your ranking too much. This guy averaged 90 catches and 1300+ yards over a five year span. He's only 31 years old. Why can't he bounce back? He doesn't need the perfect situation. He always produced in Cincinnati no matter who was the QB (and you can't use the supporting cast argument since his best seasons came before Housh really emerged). He's playing through a torn labrum with a terrible QB. You would give Andre Johnson or Steve Smith a pass for that. I guess it's possible that this was Chad's stick-a-for-in-him season, but I doubt it. My guess is he bounces back and gives you 3-4 more 1100+ yard type years.

This is Chad Johnson's 3rd straight year as a bust. Yes, his end of year numbers looked decent each of the two years prior to this one, but let's not forget how that all went down. The guy was the epitome of an inconsistent mess, surround a couple 200/3 games around a season's worth of 60/0 games. Most of the time the guy went off no one had him in their lineup anyway because he preceeded it with 7 games of no production.Ocho has been awful this year, but let's not forget that people had been souring on him for a couple years heading into this season already anyway. This is just a case of it being long enough ago and the total numbers at the end of the year looking decent enough that people are forgetting how frustrating it was to have Chad on your team even in '06 or '07, not just '08.The wise player sold high on him after '06, his downfall could not possibly have been more telegraphed (though obviously, not to this extent).

 

[EBF]

And, yes, I do believe both Smith & Johnson are more physically talented than Ocho. I never believed Ocho was one of the top 2 or 3 most talented WRs in the NFL whereas there have been plenty times over the past five seasons where I've considered either Smith or Johnson the most talented, unstoppable force at WR.

I think this where our disagreement stems from. You don't see CJ as an elite talent. I do. He made the Pro Bowl five times and was a two time first team All-Pro selection. He's a great talent, he just doesn't have the flashy skill set of Steve Smith or Andre Johnson. He's more like Torry Holt or Isaac Bruce. Those guys never really jumped off the screen as two of the best WRs in the game, but the numbers were always there at the end of the season.

 

[EBF]

Chad Johnson is this year's version of the Oakland Raiders version of Randy Moss. A lot of factors have conspired to keep his production down well below what we've come to expect from him. Once he gets healthy and gets an NFL caliber QB, I would expect him to return to his 1,200+ yard form. He's not old and he doesn't have bad knees. He'll be one of my top buy lows in redrafts and dynasties next year. I know he's a nutcase, but it doesn't matter. He's a great player. Great players get endless opportunities. Some team will get Chad under control and trot him out there like they do with TO, Moss, Bryant, etc.

Chad Johnson is a great player, but he's no Randy Moss. . . . And Randy Moss wouldn't have put up 23 TDs in any old offense. He had to go to the one perfect team upon leaving NFL hades. What are the chances Mike Brown sends ol' Ocho to the one perfect team?

Chad Johnson is a five time Pro Bowler. He ranks 11th among active WRs in career receiving yards. No one ahead of him on the list is younger than him. He may not be Randy Moss, but he's not dog meat either. I think you're letting the psycho factor and the down year sway your ranking too much. This guy averaged 90 catches and 1300+ yards over a five year span. He's only 31 years old. Why can't he bounce back? He doesn't need the perfect situation. He always produced in Cincinnati no matter who was the QB (and you can't use the supporting cast argument since his best seasons came before Housh really emerged). He's playing through a torn labrum with a terrible QB. You would give Andre Johnson or Steve Smith a pass for that. I guess it's possible that this was Chad's stick-a-for-in-him season, but I doubt it. My guess is he bounces back and gives you 3-4 more 1100+ yard type years.

This is Chad Johnson's 3rd straight year as a bust. Yes, his end of year numbers looked decent each of the two years prior to this one, but let's not forget how that all went down. The guy was the epitome of an inconsistent mess, surround a couple 200/3 games around a season's worth of 60/0 games. Most of the time the guy went off no one had him in their lineup anyway because he preceeded it with 7 games of no production.Ocho has been awful this year, but let's not forget that people had been souring on him for a couple years heading into this season already anyway. This is just a case of it being long enough ago and the total numbers at the end of the year looking decent enough that people are forgetting how frustrating it was to have Chad on your team even in '06 or '07, not just '08.The wise player sold high on him after '06, his downfall could not possibly have been more telegraphed (though obviously, not to this extent).

I actually don't own Ocho on any of my money league dynasty teams. In the one league where I did own him, I traded him straight up for Lynch in the second half of last season. I don't have anything invested in the guy. At the same time, I owned him from 2003-2006 and he was $$$ in the bank. I've heard the stuff about inconsistency and it doesn't carry a lot of sway with me. Dig deeper into his track record and you'll see that he was the picture of consistency in his first few breakout seasons. The bottom line for me is that you have a potential WR1-WR2 type talent at a discount cost. This is eerily similar to the Randy Moss and Santana Moss situations the last two seasons. You have a proven talent who's suffering through a nightmare season for understandable reasons and suddenly no one thinks he can play. I think it's an obvious buy low, but we'll have to wait and see.

 

[valhallan]

I'd like to hear some thoughts on Vincent Jackson. He's steadily improved each year, stays healthy, and has a franchise quarterback. I love his production this year, but can he really be a WR1 or 2? He numbers seem to rely on the big play too much, a la Santonio Holmes. A few times when I watched the Chargers, it looked like Malcolm Floyd had more potential to be a consistent 5-6 catch guy. Has VJax hit his ceiling or can he be a stalwart top 20 guy for a few years?

 

[Garts]

Calvin Johnson

that is all