Soulfly Top 10 - Wager Edition (1 Viewer)

[Soulfly3]

Here she is - my first 10 picks, finalized for the 2014 draft.

Top 10? Who cares? I do. Cuz I want to make this fun... post your finalized top 10 list here - Let's run a 20$ buy-in for the most accurate top 10. Winner takes all (split if multiple winners)

What say you all? I was going to go top 15, top 20 or even full first round... BUt with so much uncertainty for even the top 10, I think this will be extremely tight and low scoring.

eta: you have to hit the exact name with the exact pick # (regardless if a team moves up or down, it's the pick # that counts)

here's mine. who is in? (we can run this if we get 10 participants)

1. Jadeveon Clowney

2. Jake Matthews

3. Johnny Manziel

4. Sammy Watkins (Ive been preaching Robinson here for a long time... but my gut right now says Watkins for my boys)

5. Greg Robinson

6. Aaron Donald

7. Odell Beckham (my shocker pick of the draft - TB is going WR now, and I think Beckham is a better WR and compliment to VJax)

8. Blake Bortles

9. Kalil Mack (what seems like an epic drop for him, but I think his "small conference concerns" come into play)

10. Ha-Ha Clinton Dix

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Houston: Jadeveon Clowney

St Louis: Greg Robinson

Jacksonville: Khalil Mack

Cleveland: Johnny Manziel

Oakland: Sammy Watkins

Atlanta: Jake Matthews

Tampa: Mike Evans

Minnesota: Teddy Bridgewater

Buffalo: Eric Ebron

Detroit: Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

Note: This is a non-money entry you can use to laugh at me on draft day.

 

[Soulfly3]

weekend bump - I know some folks love making a lil extra spending $

 

[Englishteacher]

Non Money Entry.

1. Texans - Bortles

2. Rams - Watkins

3. Jaguars - Manziel

4. Trade - Browns trade #4 to Falcons - Falcons select Clowney

5. Raiders - Robinson

6. Browns - Lewan

7. Bucs - Mike Evans

8. Vikings - Matthews

9. Bills - Mack

10. Lions - Ha Ha

Note - Lewan goes on to be the best player. Farmer is a genius.

I'm either off by light years or I'm a genius. Money is on the former but then again, I put no money down.

 

[Soulfly3]

bump for a week away from the draft.

anyone?

 

[Houston turmOiler]

What the heck....here goes

1) Manziel

2) Clowney

3) Mack

4) Robinson

5) Watkins

6) Lewan

7) Evans

8) Gilbert

9) Matthews

10) Barr

 

[tdmills]

At this point, everyone knows I don't think of Watkins as a FF WR1. But i'm very confused as to why an NFL team would spend a top 10 pick on Watkins. In a WR Draft class this deep, why spend a top 10 pick on a WR when you can just grab one a tier behind Watkins in the 2nd round?

If Cleveland took Bortles or Johnny Football in round 1 and followed it up with a Cody Latimer/Benjamin/Allen Robinson vs Sammy Watkins and Zach Mettinberger.

 

[daveR]

For fun...

1. Clowney

2. Matthews

3. Manziel

4. Robinson

5. Watkins

6. Mack

7. Evans

8. Bortles

9. Lewan

10. Barr

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[Catbird]

At this point, everyone knows I don't think of Watkins as a FF WR1. But i'm very confused as to why an NFL team would spend a top 10 pick on Watkins. In a WR Draft class this deep, why spend a top 10 pick on a WR when you can just grab one a tier behind Watkins in the 2nd round?

If Cleveland took Bortles or Johnny Football in round 1 and followed it up with a Cody Latimer/Benjamin/Allen Robinson vs Sammy Watkins and Zach Mettinberger.

Not that I particularly want to cooperate with your attempted hijack, but if it was Julio being taken early and you still had a decent shot at Derek Carr or Bridgewater in the second or with a trade up to late first, I'm sure you can see the draw. I don't say Watkins is Julio, but most people paying attention seem to think he's just a short step behind - better player with less height advantage. The issue is that you don't like Watkins much, not that those who do would want to take him early.

 

[tdmills]

At this point, everyone knows I don't think of Watkins as a FF WR1. But i'm very confused as to why an NFL team would spend a top 10 pick on Watkins. In a WR Draft class this deep, why spend a top 10 pick on a WR when you can just grab one a tier behind Watkins in the 2nd round?

If Cleveland took Bortles or Johnny Football in round 1 and followed it up with a Cody Latimer/Benjamin/Allen Robinson vs Sammy Watkins and Zach Mettinberger.

Not that I particularly want to cooperate with your attempted hijack, but if it was Julio being taken early and you still had a decent shot at Derek Carr or Bridgewater in the second or with a trade up to late first, I'm sure you can see the draw. I don't say Watkins is Julio, but most people paying attention seem to think he's just a short step behind - better player with less height advantage. The issue is that you don't like Watkins much, not that those who do would want to take him early.

My issues is supply and demand is my concern, plus he isn't AJ green, calvin, julio. So why pay those prices?

 

[Soulfly3]

My issues is supply and demand is my concern, plus he isn't AJ green, calvin, julio. So why pay those prices?

except many of the top tier analysts say he IS AJ and Julio, if not better.

So, ya.. there's that. Hence the appeal at 4

 

[Dr. Octopus]

At this point, everyone knows I don't think of Watkins as a FF WR1. But i'm very confused as to why an NFL team would spend a top 10 pick on Watkins. In a WR Draft class this deep, why spend a top 10 pick on a WR when you can just grab one a tier behind Watkins in the 2nd round?

If Cleveland took Bortles or Johnny Football in round 1 and followed it up with a Cody Latimer/Benjamin/Allen Robinson vs Sammy Watkins and Zach Mettinberger.

Not that I particularly want to cooperate with your attempted hijack, but if it was Julio being taken early and you still had a decent shot at Derek Carr or Bridgewater in the second or with a trade up to late first, I'm sure you can see the draw. I don't say Watkins is Julio, but most people paying attention seem to think he's just a short step behind - better player with less height advantage. The issue is that you don't like Watkins much, not that those who do would want to take him early.

My issues is supply and demand is my concern, plus he isn't AJ green, calvin, julio. So why pay those prices?

tiers and depth in a draft class may play nicely in the fantasy football world, but in the NFL these are real players doing many different things on the football filed to help a team win, besides just pure stats. If Watkins scores 18.2 ppg in fantasy and Lattimer 14.5 ppg in fantasy it doesn't mean that they are interchangeable on Sundays in real life.

If a team truly thinks Watkins is an elite talent - even if you don't - it doesn't make sense for them to say, maybe I'll just wait until round two and grab a useful WR instead. Don't forget there will be players, other than WRs, that can be useful to an NFL team in round 2 as well - so there opportunity cost either way.

 

[ffgiant]

eta: you have to hit the exact name with the exact pick # (regardless if a team moves up or down, it's the pick # that counts)

The issue here is your scoring. If Clowney will be pick at No. 1. People pick him at No 2. or No. 10 will get the same big fat zero point.

You might want to check out my draft contest scoring system. It is more fair. We do a full first round pick. The result will tell us who're the best draftniks. Lots of guys from the board already joined, the competition is harsh.

After the contest is done, I will publish who has the lowest scoring entry from the board! Just kidding.

 

[tdmills]

At this point, everyone knows I don't think of Watkins as a FF WR1. But i'm very confused as to why an NFL team would spend a top 10 pick on Watkins. In a WR Draft class this deep, why spend a top 10 pick on a WR when you can just grab one a tier behind Watkins in the 2nd round?

If Cleveland took Bortles or Johnny Football in round 1 and followed it up with a Cody Latimer/Benjamin/Allen Robinson vs Sammy Watkins and Zach Mettinberger.

Not that I particularly want to cooperate with your attempted hijack, but if it was Julio being taken early and you still had a decent shot at Derek Carr or Bridgewater in the second or with a trade up to late first, I'm sure you can see the draw. I don't say Watkins is Julio, but most people paying attention seem to think he's just a short step behind - better player with less height advantage. The issue is that you don't like Watkins much, not that those who do would want to take him early.

My issues is supply and demand is my concern, plus he isn't AJ green, calvin, julio. So why pay those prices?

tiers and depth in a draft class may play nicely in the fantasy football world, but in the NFL these are real players doing many different things on the football filed to help a team win, besides just pure stats. If Watkins scores 18.2 ppg in fantasy and Lattimer 14.5 ppg in fantasy it doesn't mean that they are interchangeable on Sundays in real life.If a team truly thinks Watkins is an elite talent - even if you don't - it doesn't make sense for them to say, maybe I'll just wait until round two and grab a useful WR instead. Don't forget there will be players, other than WRs, that can be useful to an NFL team in round 2 as well - so there opportunity cost either way.

This strategy didn't work in real life for the lions for example.Eta: this is playing out at rb right now too.

 

[grateful zed]

is there still time to sign up?

 

[werdnoynek]

At this point, everyone knows I don't think of Watkins as a FF WR1. But i'm very confused as to why an NFL team would spend a top 10 pick on Watkins. In a WR Draft class this deep, why spend a top 10 pick on a WR when you can just grab one a tier behind Watkins in the 2nd round?

If Cleveland took Bortles or Johnny Football in round 1 and followed it up with a Cody Latimer/Benjamin/Allen Robinson vs Sammy Watkins and Zach Mettinberger.

Because most people feel he's an elite talent...

 

[tdmills]

At this point, everyone knows I don't think of Watkins as a FF WR1. But i'm very confused as to why an NFL team would spend a top 10 pick on Watkins. In a WR Draft class this deep, why spend a top 10 pick on a WR when you can just grab one a tier behind Watkins in the 2nd round?

If Cleveland took Bortles or Johnny Football in round 1 and followed it up with a Cody Latimer/Benjamin/Allen Robinson vs Sammy Watkins and Zach Mettinberger.

Because most people feel he's an elite talent...

1) that doesn't answer the question2) define elite athlete?

 

[werdnoynek]

At this point, everyone knows I don't think of Watkins as a FF WR1. But i'm very confused as to why an NFL team would spend a top 10 pick on Watkins. In a WR Draft class this deep, why spend a top 10 pick on a WR when you can just grab one a tier behind Watkins in the 2nd round?

If Cleveland took Bortles or Johnny Football in round 1 and followed it up with a Cody Latimer/Benjamin/Allen Robinson vs Sammy Watkins and Zach Mettinberger.

Because most people feel he's an elite talent...

1) that doesn't answer the question2) define elite athlete?

An elite athlete would be someone who is better than the rest ability/quality wise. Elite means superior or the best. I think you know that but you're just being dense.

If a team thinks Watkins is elite, why would they pass him up for someone who isn't? The NFL is real, not the fantasy we all love and come to these forums to discuss. They aren't looking for value... They're looking to win championships. That isn't done by passing up elite players to pick up a guy who's good, but isn't elite because it's better value.

 

[tdmills]

At this point, everyone knows I don't think of Watkins as a FF WR1. But i'm very confused as to why an NFL team would spend a top 10 pick on Watkins. In a WR Draft class this deep, why spend a top 10 pick on a WR when you can just grab one a tier behind Watkins in the 2nd round?

If Cleveland took Bortles or Johnny Football in round 1 and followed it up with a Cody Latimer/Benjamin/Allen Robinson vs Sammy Watkins and Zach Mettinberger.

Because most people feel he's an elite talent...

1) that doesn't answer the question2) define elite athlete?

An elite athlete would be someone who is better than the rest ability/quality wise. Elite means superior or the best. I think you know that but you're just being dense.

If a team thinks Watkins is elite, why would they pass him up for someone who isn't? The NFL is real, not the fantasy we all love and come to these forums to discuss. They aren't looking for value... They're looking to win championships. That isn't done by passing up elite players to pick up a guy who's good, but isn't elite because it's better value.

Dense or i'm a realist.

Below is how he ranked at the combine in terms of WRs:

Watkins is 6'0 3/4 = nowhere near elite

32 in long arms = 21st in arm length

9 5/8 hand size = tied for 11th at the combine

4.43 speed = tied for 7th at the combine

1.53 10 yard split = tied for 11th at the combine

4.34 20 yard short shuttle = 33rd at the combine

16 rebs of 225 = 9th at the combine

34 inch vertical = 28th at the combine

6.95 3 cone drill = 19th at the combine

10'6 broad jump = tied for 4th at the combine

 

[Soulfly3]

I didnt know the game was played with combine measurables?

 

[werdnoynek]

At this point, everyone knows I don't think of Watkins as a FF WR1. But i'm very confused as to why an NFL team would spend a top 10 pick on Watkins. In a WR Draft class this deep, why spend a top 10 pick on a WR when you can just grab one a tier behind Watkins in the 2nd round?

If Cleveland took Bortles or Johnny Football in round 1 and followed it up with a Cody Latimer/Benjamin/Allen Robinson vs Sammy Watkins and Zach Mettinberger.

Because most people feel he's an elite talent...

1) that doesn't answer the question2) define elite athlete?

An elite athlete would be someone who is better than the rest ability/quality wise. Elite means superior or the best. I think you know that but you're just being dense.If a team thinks Watkins is elite, why would they pass him up for someone who isn't? The NFL is real, not the fantasy we all love and come to these forums to discuss. They aren't looking for value... They're looking to win championships. That isn't done by passing up elite players to pick up a guy who's good, but isn't elite because it's better value.

Dense or i'm a realist.

Below is how he ranked at the combine in terms of WRs:

Watkins is 6'0 3/4 = nowhere near elite

32 in long arms = 21st in arm length

9 5/8 hand size = tied for 11th at the combine

4.43 speed = tied for 7th at the combine

1.53 10 yard split = tied for 11th at the combine

4.34 20 yard short shuttle = 33rd at the combine

16 rebs of 225 = 9th at the combine

34 inch vertical = 28th at the combine

6.95 3 cone drill = 19th at the combine

10'6 broad jump = tied for 4th at the combine

When he's taken in the top 5, it's going to show what the professionals think about combine measurables.

 

[tdmills]

At this point, everyone knows I don't think of Watkins as a FF WR1. But i'm very confused as to why an NFL team would spend a top 10 pick on Watkins. In a WR Draft class this deep, why spend a top 10 pick on a WR when you can just grab one a tier behind Watkins in the 2nd round?

If Cleveland took Bortles or Johnny Football in round 1 and followed it up with a Cody Latimer/Benjamin/Allen Robinson vs Sammy Watkins and Zach Mettinberger.

Because most people feel he's an elite talent...

1) that doesn't answer the question2) define elite athlete?

An elite athlete would be someone who is better than the rest ability/quality wise. Elite means superior or the best. I think you know that but you're just being dense.If a team thinks Watkins is elite, why would they pass him up for someone who isn't? The NFL is real, not the fantasy we all love and come to these forums to discuss. They aren't looking for value... They're looking to win championships. That isn't done by passing up elite players to pick up a guy who's good, but isn't elite because it's better value.

Dense or i'm a realist.

Below is how he ranked at the combine in terms of WRs:

Watkins is 6'0 3/4 = nowhere near elite

32 in long arms = 21st in arm length

9 5/8 hand size = tied for 11th at the combine

4.43 speed = tied for 7th at the combine

1.53 10 yard split = tied for 11th at the combine

4.34 20 yard short shuttle = 33rd at the combine

16 rebs of 225 = 9th at the combine

34 inch vertical = 28th at the combine

6.95 3 cone drill = 19th at the combine

10'6 broad jump = tied for 4th at the combine

When he's taken in the top 5, it's going to show what the professionals think about combine measurables.

You said elite athlete and now back off your stance...nice

 

[tdmills]

I didnt know the game was played with combine measurables?

It's a bit tongue in cheek, but just enough to prove he's not the "elite athlete" he's touted as. Football player is a whole different story

 

[Dr. Octopus]

At this point, everyone knows I don't think of Watkins as a FF WR1. But i'm very confused as to why an NFL team would spend a top 10 pick on Watkins. In a WR Draft class this deep, why spend a top 10 pick on a WR when you can just grab one a tier behind Watkins in the 2nd round?

If Cleveland took Bortles or Johnny Football in round 1 and followed it up with a Cody Latimer/Benjamin/Allen Robinson vs Sammy Watkins and Zach Mettinberger.

Because most people feel he's an elite talent...

1) that doesn't answer the question2) define elite athlete?

An elite athlete would be someone who is better than the rest ability/quality wise. Elite means superior or the best. I think you know that but you're just being dense.

If a team thinks Watkins is elite, why would they pass him up for someone who isn't? The NFL is real, not the fantasy we all love and come to these forums to discuss. They aren't looking for value... They're looking to win championships. That isn't done by passing up elite players to pick up a guy who's good, but isn't elite because it's better value.

Dense or i'm a realist.

Below is how he ranked at the combine in terms of WRs:

Watkins is 6'0 3/4 = nowhere near elite

32 in long arms = 21st in arm length

9 5/8 hand size = tied for 11th at the combine

4.43 speed = tied for 7th at the combine

1.53 10 yard split = tied for 11th at the combine

4.34 20 yard short shuttle = 33rd at the combine

16 rebs of 225 = 9th at the combine

34 inch vertical = 28th at the combine

6.95 3 cone drill = 19th at the combine

10'6 broad jump = tied for 4th at the combine

So are we really answering why you wouldn't take him with a top 10 pick, if an NFL team cared about your opinion?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

At this point, everyone knows I don't think of Watkins as a FF WR1. But i'm very confused as to why an NFL team would spend a top 10 pick on Watkins. In a WR Draft class this deep, why spend a top 10 pick on a WR when you can just grab one a tier behind Watkins in the 2nd round?

If Cleveland took Bortles or Johnny Football in round 1 and followed it up with a Cody Latimer/Benjamin/Allen Robinson vs Sammy Watkins and Zach Mettinberger.

Because most people feel he's an elite talent...

1) that doesn't answer the question2) define elite athlete?

An elite athlete would be someone who is better than the rest ability/quality wise. Elite means superior or the best. I think you know that but you're just being dense.If a team thinks Watkins is elite, why would they pass him up for someone who isn't? The NFL is real, not the fantasy we all love and come to these forums to discuss. They aren't looking for value... They're looking to win championships. That isn't done by passing up elite players to pick up a guy who's good, but isn't elite because it's better value.

Dense or i'm a realist.

Below is how he ranked at the combine in terms of WRs:

Watkins is 6'0 3/4 = nowhere near elite

32 in long arms = 21st in arm length

9 5/8 hand size = tied for 11th at the combine

4.43 speed = tied for 7th at the combine

1.53 10 yard split = tied for 11th at the combine

4.34 20 yard short shuttle = 33rd at the combine

16 rebs of 225 = 9th at the combine

34 inch vertical = 28th at the combine

6.95 3 cone drill = 19th at the combine

10'6 broad jump = tied for 4th at the combine

When he's taken in the top 5, it's going to show what the professionals think about combine measurables.

You said elite athlete and now back off your stance...nice

He didn't say he was an elite athlete. He said elite talent (his talent his playing WR). No one really knows if he is or isn't at this point - but if an NFL team thinks he is, then that is why they will take him in the top 10.

 

[tdmills]

At this point, everyone knows I don't think of Watkins as a FF WR1. But i'm very confused as to why an NFL team would spend a top 10 pick on Watkins. In a WR Draft class this deep, why spend a top 10 pick on a WR when you can just grab one a tier behind Watkins in the 2nd round?

If Cleveland took Bortles or Johnny Football in round 1 and followed it up with a Cody Latimer/Benjamin/Allen Robinson vs Sammy Watkins and Zach Mettinberger.

Because most people feel he's an elite talent...

1) that doesn't answer the question2) define elite athlete?

An elite athlete would be someone who is better than the rest ability/quality wise. Elite means superior or the best. I think you know that but you're just being dense.If a team thinks Watkins is elite, why would they pass him up for someone who isn't? The NFL is real, not the fantasy we all love and come to these forums to discuss. They aren't looking for value... They're looking to win championships. That isn't done by passing up elite players to pick up a guy who's good, but isn't elite because it's better value.

Dense or i'm a realist.

Below is how he ranked at the combine in terms of WRs:

Watkins is 6'0 3/4 = nowhere near elite

32 in long arms = 21st in arm length

9 5/8 hand size = tied for 11th at the combine

4.43 speed = tied for 7th at the combine

1.53 10 yard split = tied for 11th at the combine

4.34 20 yard short shuttle = 33rd at the combine

16 rebs of 225 = 9th at the combine

34 inch vertical = 28th at the combine

6.95 3 cone drill = 19th at the combine

10'6 broad jump = tied for 4th at the combine

So are we really answering why you wouldn't take him with a top 10 pick, if an NFL team cared about your opinion?

Is it that hard to see the other side of the coin

- he's not Julio athletic

- it's a deep wr class