Sources say shooting occurred at Michael Vick birthday party (1 Viewer)

[identikit]

(Rotoworld) Minutes before the shooting that interrupted his 30th birthday party, Eagles QB Michael Vick had to be restrained by friends and placed in a limousine after he had a heated exchange.

Analysis: The report also mentions that once he was inside the limo, Vick exited the vehicle to confront someone. Although the Eagles' brass had recently backed off reports that the team was planning on releasing Vick in light of the shooting incident, ESPN's Chris Mortensen believes that if any verification of Vick's alleged confrontation surfaces, he could be "in jeopardy" with both the Eagles and the NFL.

 

[identikit]

Prosecutor says Vick in confrontation

The Associated Press 14 minutes ago

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. - A lead prosecutor said Wednesday night that Michael Vick(notes) was involved in a confrontation before a shooting following his birthday bash.

Virginia Beach Commonwealth's Attorney Harvey L. Bryant told The Associated Press that Vick was not involved in the shooting and that he left the nightclub "in the three to five minute range" before it occurred.

Bryant would not go into detail about the confrontation, but said there was no evidence the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback was involved in "anything that would amount to aggressive or assaultive conduct."

"He's an athlete and an entertainer, but he's also a human being, and things that would tick you and I off would tick him off," Bryant said in a telephone interview. "But he extricated himself from those things and left with the help and encouragement of some of his friends and supporters."

Police have said Vick was not the shooter. Bryant said the investigation also shows that Vick "was not aware of whether or not anyone was going to be shot, was threatened to be shot or anything to do with any of that business."

Neither Vick's lawyer, Larry Woodward, or his agent, Joel Segal, returned phone messages Wednesday night.

Bryant, who has declined to press charges at this time against anyone in the shooting, said the victim and witnesses have not co-operated. He would not confirm a police statement made Tuesday that they know who the shooter is, but did say that the case remains open.

The victim has not be identified by police, but Woodward said it was Quanis Phillips — a co-defendant in the federal dogfighting case that landed Vick in federal prison. Phillips, who Woodward said was not invited to the party and did not interact with Vick while there, was treated at a hospital and released the following day.

The shooting occurred a block away from the nightclub where Vick was celebrating his 30th birthday.

Vick was interviewed by detectives in the case a few days later.

"He has sat down with Virginia Beach detectives and answered all their questions and, in our view, has been co-operative … and I should say co-operative and truthful," Bryant said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=capr...ub_vick-3879640

 

[az_prof]

Is it against the law now to get mad at an uninvited guest who busts your party and confronts you? Are players supposed to be saints?

FYI, just a reminder for perspective: Tom Cable broke the jaw of an assistant coach and NOTHING HAPPENED. Nothing. No reprimand. No jail. No demotion. No suspension.

 

[AngryPatriot]

Some actions could be against the law if they violate the terms of probation... people have gone back to jail for drinking a couple beers when they're not supposed to by law. we're also talking about the at times nebulous NFL "law" which runs on different principles. And I doubt Tom Cable electrocuted and drowned and fought to the death countless dogs and was convicted for said crimes....

 

[Multiple Scores]

Is it against the law now to get mad at an uninvited guest who busts your party and confronts you? Are players supposed to be saints? FYI, just a reminder for perspective: Tom Cable broke the jaw of an assistant coach and NOTHING HAPPENED. Nothing. No reprimand. No jail. No demotion. No suspension.

Why are you defending Mike Vick? The guy is a piece of human trash. Why do you think what Tom Cable, **** or Harry does has ANYTHING to do with Mike Vick? Why is it anytime anyone says something bad about Vick that names like Cable or Leonard Little or Donte Stallworth become the issue? Let's say those guys are human trash, does that make Mike Vick a saint? What gives? Mike Vick is a waste of space on the planet, why must you defend this GARBAGE?

 

[identikit]

Tony Dungy: Michael Vick may still face NFL punishment from Roger Goodell

Former NFL coach Tony Dungy said Thursday that Michael Vick may not still face repercussions from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell despite police in Virginia clearing him of criminal wrongdoing in a June 25 shooting at his birthday party.

Speaking to the Dan Patrick radio show, Dungy said Vick, on probation for his 2007 dogfighting conviction, was wrong to put himself in a dangerous situation at the birthday party that was open to the public for an admission fee. "You can't do anything that's going to put a bad face on the NFL," Dungy said, "...he probably didn't live up to that."

While Vick has avoided criminal liability at the party, Dungy noted that the event "could have been disastrous and may still be" if the NFL or federal probation officials decide Vick overstepped boundaries.

Goodell is investigating whether Vick broke the terms of his 2009 reinstatement. Dungy said he spoke to Vick the day after the incident, in which the AP reported that his former codefendant, Quanis Phillips, was shot. Police have identified the shooter but said they can't prosecute now because of a lack of cooperation from the victim and witnesses.

Dungy said Vick is held to a higher standard than other NFL players because of his past legal problems. And he said Goodell -- who told Vick last year he had little margin for error -- may be skeptical of what Vick says because he lied to him in 2007 about his involvement in dogfighting.

"If it were me, with what I know and I don't know everything that the commissioner probably knows, I probably would just move on with this," Dungy said. "But there may be more to it."

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said on Tuesday that the league's review into Vick's case is continuing.

Dungy, who served as Vick's mentor after he finished a 20-month federal sentence last year, said he counseled Vick after the birthday party that he cannot put himself in such dangerous situations where other people and events are out of his control.

"He's made some mistakes that probably he won't make again, hopefully," Dungy said. "Just really not very good judgment and putting himself in a position where you're inviting the public to pay money and come to a birthday party."

The unknown people, alcohol and potential for weapons at such a party are a "recipe for failure," Dungy said.

-- Sean Leahy

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/th.../1?csp=34sports

 

[Foosball God]

Hosting a party doesn't make you responsible for the actions of everyone there.

It can certainly make you liable.

 

[massraider]

Hosting a party doesn't make you responsible for the actions of everyone there.

It can certainly make you liable.

Really? I would think a club owner, rather than a celebrity host, might be a bit more liable.

 

[az_prof]

Is it against the law now to get mad at an uninvited guest who busts your party and confronts you? Are players supposed to be saints? FYI, just a reminder for perspective: Tom Cable broke the jaw of an assistant coach and NOTHING HAPPENED. Nothing. No reprimand. No jail. No demotion. No suspension.

Why are you defending Mike Vick? The guy is a piece of human trash. Why do you think what Tom Cable, **** or Harry does has ANYTHING to do with Mike Vick? Why is it anytime anyone says something bad about Vick that names like Cable or Leonard Little or Donte Stallworth become the issue? Let's say those guys are human trash, does that make Mike Vick a saint? What gives? Mike Vick is a waste of space on the planet, why must you defend this GARBAGE?

Unlike you, I am not God. I can't see into people's souls and judge them "trash" or "garbage." I am defending him because I am sick of lemmings who allow themselves to be fooled into thinking that the NFL is enforcing some kind of "morality." It isn't. That's why Tom Cable is relevant. He is the HC of an NFL team. He assaulted and injured another employee of the NFL, breaking his jaw. Nothing happened. Why? Because the NFL has a double standard when it comes to management and owners versus players. That alone tells you that all this talk about personal conduct clauses is a facade. I guess at bottom, I believe in justice and the idea that people who have done something wrong can serve their penalty and start over and that people who are accused are innocent until proven guilty. That, and I hate hypocrisy.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Is it against the law now to get mad at an uninvited guest who busts your party and confronts you? Are players supposed to be saints?

FYI, just a reminder for perspective: Tom Cable broke the jaw of an assistant coach and NOTHING HAPPENED. Nothing. No reprimand. No jail. No demotion. No suspension.

Why are you defending Mike Vick? The guy is a piece of human trash. Why do you think what Tom Cable, **** or Harry does has ANYTHING to do with Mike Vick? Why is it anytime anyone says something bad about Vick that names like Cable or Leonard Little or Donte Stallworth become the issue? Let's say those guys are human trash, does that make Mike Vick a saint? What gives? Mike Vick is a waste of space on the planet, why must you defend this GARBAGE?

Unlike you, I am not God. I can't see into people's souls and judge them "trash" or "garbage."

First off, I am not a God either, just a mere mortal.When a person in their mid 20's takes a dog (could be a cat, chicken, horse, cow, pig, sheep, etc and gets pleasure by torturing them by means of electrocution, drowning, shooting and slamming their skulls into the concrete then that is a soul I paint as a dark, mean and vicious. A person who does stuff like that is trash, garbage, scum. Period.

 

[massraider]

Is it against the law now to get mad at an uninvited guest who busts your party and confronts you? Are players supposed to be saints?

FYI, just a reminder for perspective: Tom Cable broke the jaw of an assistant coach and NOTHING HAPPENED. Nothing. No reprimand. No jail. No demotion. No suspension.

Why are you defending Mike Vick? The guy is a piece of human trash. Why do you think what Tom Cable, **** or Harry does has ANYTHING to do with Mike Vick? Why is it anytime anyone says something bad about Vick that names like Cable or Leonard Little or Donte Stallworth become the issue? Let's say those guys are human trash, does that make Mike Vick a saint? What gives? Mike Vick is a waste of space on the planet, why must you defend this GARBAGE?

Unlike you, I am not God. I can't see into people's souls and judge them "trash" or "garbage."

First off, I am not a God either, just a mere mortal.When a person in their mid 20's takes a dog (could be a cat, chicken, horse, cow, pig, sheep, etc and gets pleasure by torturing them by means of electrocution, drowning, shooting and slamming their skulls into the concrete then that is a soul I paint as a dark, mean and vicious. A person who does stuff like that is trash, garbage, scum. Period.

Doesn't mean he had anything to do with the shooting, or should be suspended for it.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Is it against the law now to get mad at an uninvited guest who busts your party and confronts you? Are players supposed to be saints?

FYI, just a reminder for perspective: Tom Cable broke the jaw of an assistant coach and NOTHING HAPPENED. Nothing. No reprimand. No jail. No demotion. No suspension.

Why are you defending Mike Vick? The guy is a piece of human trash. Why do you think what Tom Cable, **** or Harry does has ANYTHING to do with Mike Vick? Why is it anytime anyone says something bad about Vick that names like Cable or Leonard Little or Donte Stallworth become the issue? Let's say those guys are human trash, does that make Mike Vick a saint? What gives? Mike Vick is a waste of space on the planet, why must you defend this GARBAGE?

Unlike you, I am not God. I can't see into people's souls and judge them "trash" or "garbage."

First off, I am not a God either, just a mere mortal.When a person in their mid 20's takes a dog (could be a cat, chicken, horse, cow, pig, sheep, etc and gets pleasure by torturing them by means of electrocution, drowning, shooting and slamming their skulls into the concrete then that is a soul I paint as a dark, mean and vicious. A person who does stuff like that is trash, garbage, scum. Period.

Doesn't mean he had anything to do with the shooting, or should be suspended for it.

Thanks Captain Obvious.

 

[massraider]

Thanks Captain Obvious.

Nice arguments you are making here. Want some pots and pans to bang together?Isn't that what this thread is about? The events at the nightclub, Vick's possible involvement, and possible punishment? Vick not being a nice person, is that in question? Does anyone doubt that?

 

[Ray_T]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

I'm not sure that is necessarily the case unless you can prove that one of Vicks buddies pulled the trigger.I've been in a nightclub when someone got shot outside. I didnt see it happen, and I didnt know any of the people involved and I didnt even know it had happened until the police arrived.This does not mean I hang with a bad crowd. It happens sometimes. If they are linking Vick just because he was at the club, That is wrong and unfair to him. If they are linking Vick because one of his Entourage shot the guy, then that is another matter.

Were you hosting a private party at this club?

Irrelevant.he and his buddies could well have been in a private room and may have had nothing to do with the incident.I will say one more time. If Vick or one of his buddies were involved in the actual incident, or if the shooting happened in the VIP room he had booked for his group then the accusation is fair. If neither of the above situations applies we are laying blame on him for something beyond his control. Any idiot can walk into a club and pull a gun & shoot someone. This does not mean that everyone in the bar would be bad citizens or bad people.No I am not trying to protect Vick. I jumped on him for the dogfighting thing as hard as anyone and feel that it did reflect on the type of character he has. With that being said, I still want him to be treated fairly and this looks to me like a story where the press took some facts and put them together to create a story to make some money. I dont see any actual proof that he is guilty of anything, and Vick has not been arrested to my knowledge. This is an unfortunate incident, but I see nothing that Vick has done here to lead me to believe he should be suspended further.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Thanks Captain Obvious.

Nice arguments you are making here. Want some pots and pans to bang together?Isn't that what this thread is about? The events at the nightclub, Vick's possible involvement, and possible punishment?

Vick not being a nice person, is that in question? Does anyone doubt that?

A couple of things:1. You needn't butt in where you weren't invited.

2. At least try and use logic when posting. In response to the bolded above, I will quote AGAIN what I quoted in the first place and had bolded it, I am unsure how you justify butting in and respond directly to a post that 100% contradicts your post. I can only guess you are trolling for a fish.

Unlike you, I am not God. I can't see into people's souls and judge them "trash" or "garbage."

Lastly if you somehow don't understand, then don't bother saying anything because I can't help, not because I can't but because I don't really have the time or am I willing to put in the energy. Have a nice day champ.

 

[massraider]

I must have missed it where az_prof invited your response to his statement. Wasn't aware we now had to wait for an invitation to respond.

And thanks for the long explanation about how you don't have time to explain things to me.

 

[identikit]

Report: Vick not allowed to leave Pennsylvania

Posted by Michael David Smith on July 11, 2010 9:32 AM ET

Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Michael Vick has been barred by probation officials from leaving Pennsylvania following a shooting outside his birthday party in Virginia last month, NBC-10 in Philadelphia is reporting.

According to the report, Vick has already missed two scheduled appearances, one at a football camp in Baltimore on Friday and another at a weekend golf tournament in Atlanta.

Vick also stayed in Philadelphia rather than attending another "All White" party in Washington, D.C., on the Fourth of July.

Vick is not considered a suspect in the shooting of his dog fighting co-defendant Quanis Phillips, but he may have violated his probation by attending the same party as Phillips.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...e-pennsylvania/

 

[H.K.]

Michael Vick-QB- Eagles Jul. 12 - 8:56 am et

The Eagles continue to insist that Michael Vick will be at training camp barring something "new and revelatory," sources tell beat writer Jeff McLane.

The Eagles continue to put out these denials that Vick is not in any danger of being cut, but we caution strongly against taking them at their word. The franchise has been known to lie directly to the media's face multiple times in the past.

Source: Jeff McLane on Twitter

 

[identikit]

Vick cleared by NFL

The NFL has completed its investigation into the shooting at Michael Vick's birthday party last month in Virginia Beach and he has been cleared to play, a league spokesman told the Daily News today.

In an email, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said, "there is no change in his playing status."

The league could have disciplined Vick under the personal conduct policy even though police have said Vick will not be charged. Vick's attorney has said he was gone from the scene before the shooting took place.

Vick reportedly met with comissioner Roger Goodell, with Goodell urging Vick to tighten his circle to family and close friends. The NFL has said it will not comment on what it deems private conversations between players and Goodell.

The announcement comes as Vick, rookies and selected veterans are scheduled to report to Lehigh today for the start of training camp.

Vick is expected to answer questions from reporters for the first time since the incident.

Quanis Phillips, one of Vick's codefendants in the dogfighting ring, was shot in the leg outside the party.

Virginia Beach police say they know the identity of the shooter but cannot file charges because witnesses are being uncooperative.

Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles...l#ixzz0uo29EAjK

 

[TommyGilmore]

Vick cleared by NFL

That's unpossible according to this thread.

 

[fatness]

Vick cleared by NFL

There are some funny posts earlier in this thread.

 

[moderated]

Innocent