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SP Mock Invitational--5th round? Uh huh....5th round...... (1 Viewer)
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
If other Vikings fans want to send me their wish lists for pick 54 I will be happy to listen. Last night I was hoping that Joseph would be the pick there, so I am re-evaluating who are the best remaining targets.
Currently 6 picks away from 54
Currently 6 picks away from 54
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Almost shocked by the WRs. Last mock we did, Coleman was #8 or #9 overall and somehow he dropped to my pick at #30. I'd be shocked if there isn't a run on them as there are a few solid ones left (one might say BPA) and some WR needy teams as well. Same with some RBs.
Amazing how different each mock seems to be, even in one week with very little news outside of the Eagles trade. Coleman went top 10 last week, #30 this week. Almost a knee jerk reaction to the last one. Andy took Cook for Denver, got some flack and now he's still on the board. Funny.
coolnerd
Footballguy
The draft is the ultimate "butterfly effect' event...all it takes is for one team to take say a WR earlier than everyone expects and then that unexpected run takes place...Also, like we do in fantasy, i believe teams tier players so that a run is merely team trying to get players before that level drops off. ..Many people think this is one of the more unpredictable drafts because of a tier of good, not great which starts in the first and goes solidly into the 3rd round.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Not a bad pick for the Browns. With no real QB on the roster their offense will come from FG attempts after good punt returns.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Mass is on the clock!
massraider
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
2.49 Bills select Su'a Cravens, LB/S, USC
Linebacker? Safety? Don't bother Rex Ryan with these kind of details. Cravens is a player, and will roam the nickel defense, and be a movable chess piece for Ryan.
Linebacker? Safety? Don't bother Rex Ryan with these kind of details. Cravens is a player, and will roam the nickel defense, and be a movable chess piece for Ryan.
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massraider
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
I'm a savvy GM.Son of a #####!!! Make me wait 4 days and then take my guy?!?!
####!!!!
Take Jeremy Cash. Same guy.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Borden
Footballguy
This is who I wanted but had to put Clark on the top of the list. Obviously I wouldn't have gotten Joseph either way but I really like this guy.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
At the risk of sounding ridiculous, he is squarely in my top 10. Been doing dozens of mocks for the Steelers on Fanspeak and have tried DTs, CBs and safeties in the first round. My conclusion . . . GET JOSEPH FIRST! Pick him at 1.25 and let the chips fall where they may. Thought about trading back to 1.32 or top of the 2nd to take him and recoup our missing mid-round pick, but not worth it if say, Baltimore jumps us to snipe him. I'll take Joseph at 1.25 and sprint to the podium. Not many other players that are such sure things to be a difference maker in this draft.Biabreakable said:
Well, with another 11 picks before me, pretty sure everyone I like will be gone. Ah, I miss the days of Andy's mock where we got the Panthers Alexander in the first and Butler in the 2nd. Heck I was 2 picks away from Shon Coleman in the 3rd (I would have jumped at the chance to trade up if I was paying attention).
ETA: No chance Connor Cook lasts until the end of the 2nd round.
ETA: No chance Connor Cook lasts until the end of the 2nd round.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
With the 51st pick in the draft the NYJets select Yannick Ngakoue, OLB Maryland.
I got this guy in the third round the last mock, but I don't think he falls that far again and I still think he's good value here and fills a desperate edge rusher need.
I got this guy in the third round the last mock, but I don't think he falls that far again and I still think he's good value here and fills a desperate edge rusher need.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Right or wrong I like hearing people say they are not ok with letting the players they are drafting fall.
I'd love to not let them fall, but my previous pick at 30 went at 20 and my previous pick at 62 went at 24. So, not only did I not have a chance at my (and Spider321's) previous 1st round pick, but my previous 2nd round pick was also gone before my 1st round pic in this mock. Fall, they did not.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I just mean not being indecisive or willing to hit on a 16 trying to see if you could get the guy later. Shows some conviction in the pick.
3 picks away I am feeling more fluid than locked in with one guy on the board now.
3 picks away I am feeling more fluid than locked in with one guy on the board now.
Yep, I got it. Just lamenting not even having that option, including the guys I was able to get last draft. I am way more fluid this time because all the guys I thought would be there that I wouldn't let fall haven't been there yet. Last 10 picks or so have been rough. Still a lot of solid guys, but still worried the ones I love will be gone.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I open to offers for pick 54 if you or another team wanted to move up stbugs
Your next pick is at 62?
Your next pick is at 62?
coolnerd
Footballguy
Houston Texans select Sterling Shepard WR Oklahoma
Texans get more speed and quickness at the WR position. some think Sheppard can play on the outside, but projects as a slot to many. for me, it does not matter, just continuing add talent to the WR position is more important than a guy with the right label.
Texans get more speed and quickness at the WR position. some think Sheppard can play on the outside, but projects as a slot to many. for me, it does not matter, just continuing add talent to the WR position is more important than a guy with the right label.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Nice pick coolnerd I had him on the short list.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Not sure if the Washington GM checked in today or not or how that might be decided.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
The Vikings trade pick 54 to the Bears for picks 72 106 and 150
Washington still on the clock.
B&J you could send your top two to massraider and he can execute the pick for you if Washington is going to be awhile.
Thanks for the trade. The Texans took one of my targets, I also was strongly thinking about taking Michael Thomas with pick 54. But as we have a WR already I felt good about moving back and adding some picks to possibly help me make a move up in the 3rd round with now that I have more assets to be able to do so.
The Vikings are looking to trade up. Available draft capital and their values from the chart:
9(72) Bears 7.4 230
23(86) Vikings 6.2 160
8(106) Bears 4.9 82
23(121) Vikings 4.1 52
11(150) Bears 2.7 32
23(160) Vikings 2.3 27.4
We are looking to move up to pick 59 or later range by giving up pick 72 and 106 which are worth 312 points on the JJ or 12.3 on the Chase chart.
At around pick 62 the value of my offer falls to pick 72 and 121 which are worth 282 points on the JJ or 11.5 on the Chase chart.
At around pick 66 the value of my offer falls to pick 72 and 150 which are worth 262 points on the JJ or 10.1 on the CC.
If someone wanted to move down to pick 86 instead of pick 72 then there would be some other options and combinations that might work for both teams.
Washington still on the clock.
B&J you could send your top two to massraider and he can execute the pick for you if Washington is going to be awhile.
Thanks for the trade. The Texans took one of my targets, I also was strongly thinking about taking Michael Thomas with pick 54. But as we have a WR already I felt good about moving back and adding some picks to possibly help me make a move up in the 3rd round with now that I have more assets to be able to do so.
The Vikings are looking to trade up. Available draft capital and their values from the chart:
9(72) Bears 7.4 230
23(86) Vikings 6.2 160
8(106) Bears 4.9 82
23(121) Vikings 4.1 52
11(150) Bears 2.7 32
23(160) Vikings 2.3 27.4
We are looking to move up to pick 59 or later range by giving up pick 72 and 106 which are worth 312 points on the JJ or 12.3 on the Chase chart.
At around pick 62 the value of my offer falls to pick 72 and 121 which are worth 282 points on the JJ or 11.5 on the Chase chart.
At around pick 66 the value of my offer falls to pick 72 and 150 which are worth 262 points on the JJ or 10.1 on the CC.
If someone wanted to move down to pick 86 instead of pick 72 then there would be some other options and combinations that might work for both teams.
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steelers1080
Footballguy
Dang, really like this guy but I thought he'd be there in the 3rd.
I tried to do just this! Tried to go back to 32 but the value just wasn't there.
steelers1080
Footballguy
I swear, if Artie Burns is still there I'm going CB CB in the first 2 rounds... Maybe.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Thats who I took in the second round last mock for the Jets and thought of doing so again, despite taking Alexander in the first this time. But with Revis, Skrine and a few good young guys already in tow I went with a more pressing need.
steelers1080
Footballguy
It wouldn't be the worst thing for the Steelers. They haven't been great at drafting CBs, so a scattergun approach would probably be best, but in rounds 1 and 2 is a bit of a reach. That would give them WJIII, Artie, Gay, Golson, and Cockrell, with the hopes that some combo of that would turn out well. Gay (31) and Golson are supposed to be nickel corners, so drafting 2 outside corners to compete with Cockrell isn't ridiculous... just improbable.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I dunno. You need 3 good corners at least as the most common offensive alignment is at least 3 WR. As one of the corners is 31 years old the Steelers really need two more assuming your 1st rounder starts for the next four years at one spot.
As they are starters I don't think you want to be starting lesser talent, so 3 1st round corners would be ideal, or a goal every team should have to fill their starting positions with top level talent.
If you think a corner is the BPA I think you take that player which also fills a need.
For me if I had stayed at pick 54 the BPA was Michael Thomas and I would have drafted him there despite already drafting a WR in round one. If I had not already drafted a WR I likely would not have traded the pick because of the need for a starter from this position.
I don't care that people know I have Michael Thomas at the top of my list since I already told massraider that before. No reason he should have more information than the rest of you.
As they are starters I don't think you want to be starting lesser talent, so 3 1st round corners would be ideal, or a goal every team should have to fill their starting positions with top level talent.
If you think a corner is the BPA I think you take that player which also fills a need.
For me if I had stayed at pick 54 the BPA was Michael Thomas and I would have drafted him there despite already drafting a WR in round one. If I had not already drafted a WR I likely would not have traded the pick because of the need for a starter from this position.
I don't care that people know I have Michael Thomas at the top of my list since I already told massraider that before. No reason he should have more information than the rest of you.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Borden
Footballguy
If you're on a fantasy football website on the week of the NFL draft, you ain't got no secrets when it comes to WRs.
That said, I won't say a peep about who my next two targets are. And I will likely try to derail any conversations about them.
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massraider
Footballguy
steelers1080
Footballguy
True, but the chances of a person forgetting that a player is still there is higher if people stop mentioning them.If you're on a fantasy football website on the week of the NFL draft, you ain't got no secrets when it comes to WRs.
That said, I won't say a peep about who my next two targets are. And I will likely try to derail any conversations about them.
Also, question about Artie Burns. Just found out that he's had a really rough last year, his father has been in jail since he was 9, and his mother passed away this year, so he's the guardian of his younger brothers (16 and 13). He also is raising a ~20 month year old baby with his girlfriend. Would teams see this as a positive, since he's showing such maturity and his character seems to be impeccable? Or a negative, since he'll have lots of exterior (non-football related) stress for such a young person to have that many responsibilities on top of his football requirements?
massraider
Footballguy
Yep. Some teams have too many good linebackers, some have too many good WRs.
No one has enough CBs.
Consider this: You have one player who plays 65% of the snaps. And another who plays 40% of the snaps. Which one is worth a 1st round pick?
Not a trick question. One is a slot corner, the other is the run-stuffing defensive tackle. Big, run-stuffers are going to go in the 1st round this year, and not see any nickel snaps. Further: 2 down MLB are going to go in the first three rounds.
But if someone takes a slot corner in the 2nd, there will be questions. This Cyrus Jones kid from Alabama is a punt returner, and played great for Alabama. But he's short. Going to be a steal for someone.
That doesn't reflect the NFL we watch today, and eventually, people will realize that.
massraider
Footballguy
Depends how is he handling it.
The more I think about it, the more I think that ALL of these kids have exterior pressure. I saw a funny interview with Jalen Ramsey, and he was talking about all the new aunties and uncles coming out of the woodwork--his mom would send him messages, ''Oh look, you have a new Auntie!!''
I think a lot of them wind up with financial responsibilities they shouldn't have. Tough to feel bad for young kids with money, but a lot of them get fleeced by relatives, so I do sympathize.
Borden
Footballguy
Positive. Once he's in the NFL, it will basically be like his wife/girlfriend/whatever is a stay at home mom with 3 kids. He's shown the ability to go through hard times and stay on the right path. Definitely seems to be a high character guy.
massraider
Footballguy
5 WRs taken in the top 53, I think?
And 10 interior defensive linemen. Not counting the edge guys.
3 true LB taken in top 17, only 1 (Cravens) since.
1 RB
3 QB
3 interior OL
And 10 interior defensive linemen. Not counting the edge guys.
3 true LB taken in top 17, only 1 (Cravens) since.
1 RB
3 QB
3 interior OL
