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Capella
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
ESPN should go back to it`s roots. Great highlights and game talk with people nobody ever heard of. It started to turn into a comedy show with Olberman and Patrick trying to one up each other. That created Kenny Mayne and Stuart Scott and highlights with so much music in the background it was tough to watch. NFL Network should take note and not slide down the same path.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Of course it is, especially for their advertisers. Espn literally promotes their ratings for 18-35 (I think that's the number)
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Millennials don't pay for cable. Millenials watch YouTube, twitch, Netflix, etc...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2015/03/21/the-millennial-trends-that-are-killing-cable/#556b06002293
this is article is nearly a year old but paints the picture pretty vividly:
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
What will eventually have to happen is ESPN won't be able to afford all of those rights and you'll see a few things happen.RUSF18 said:
1) Other networks/outlets will get those rights, but spread out over more outlets. That will include more outlets like Twitter, Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, etc.
2) The cost for those rights will likely go down at some point as their current cost isn't sustainable IMO.
3) That will lead to lower player salaries and all sorts of labor disputes
4) ESPN will vastly cut back their programming and return more to a sports highlight/news Network (or they'll completely tank)
Or I'm just wrong on it all.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Agree with 1-3. As far as 4, they need to completely change their business model... the best bet for sports networks is to specialize: NFL network, MLB network, NBA TV, etc... if everyone has access to everything all the time, they're not going to sit and watch programming about sports they don't care about. SC served a purpose 15 years ago, but if I want to see highlights now I can just go to a game thread on Reddit and have everything in gif form instantly.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
If they went to their niche and showed highlights and discussed news during the Sportscenters (and cut down how many they run a day) and rolled out more shows that really broke down sports and explained tactics and strategies and such, they would do well.
There is a big appetite out there for more in depth discussion of sports. Tons of people watch the NFL Draft. Tons watch the Combine. People love guys like Greg Cosell and Daniel Jeremiah. Put a daily NFL show on during the season that breaks down a game or two a day explaining exactly what offenses were doing, what the defense did to counter it, adjustments coaches made, etc. and I would watch that and I think a lot of other people would too.
There is a big appetite out there for more in depth discussion of sports. Tons of people watch the NFL Draft. Tons watch the Combine. People love guys like Greg Cosell and Daniel Jeremiah. Put a daily NFL show on during the season that breaks down a game or two a day explaining exactly what offenses were doing, what the defense did to counter it, adjustments coaches made, etc. and I would watch that and I think a lot of other people would too.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I like SVP, but it's on too late to be a consistent watch.
I like the 6. There is no way I am their demographic but they work well together.
I really enjoy everything Lebetard lately. Except Bomani Jones.
Hate their baseball coverage completely and it used to be my staple. They don't do enough NHL but that's another fight.
I really like the 3 stars of the night on the 11pm SC. Always quality stuff in that small segment.
Hate the NFL Sunday stuff but the Fantasy Today show is perfect on Sundays. For me.
Eh, what do I know.
I like the 6. There is no way I am their demographic but they work well together.
I really enjoy everything Lebetard lately. Except Bomani Jones.
Hate their baseball coverage completely and it used to be my staple. They don't do enough NHL but that's another fight.
I really like the 3 stars of the night on the 11pm SC. Always quality stuff in that small segment.
Hate the NFL Sunday stuff but the Fantasy Today show is perfect on Sundays. For me.
Eh, what do I know.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I cannot remember the last time I turned on Sportscaster. I used to all the time after a big sporting event or game, but not anymore.
The only shows I ever watch now (which I DVR) are ATH, PTI and Sports Reporters, and of course they get rid of Sports Reporters, one of the few good shows left.
They are declining fast, and even the NFL knows it, which is why they almost always get the worst matchup of the three nights game every week.
The only shows I ever watch now (which I DVR) are ATH, PTI and Sports Reporters, and of course they get rid of Sports Reporters, one of the few good shows left.
They are declining fast, and even the NFL knows it, which is why they almost always get the worst matchup of the three nights game every week.
Corporation
Angry Bovine
I really like the SVP SC, but I also loved his radio show. I understand them trying new things, but I think they understand that some things work and others don't. I think this one doesn't.
Because I'm bored and desperately need a life, I went to tvsportsratings.com, which shows the cable nielsens for a given period. I picked a date from last year to show the ratings of the 6PM sportscenter, then picked one of the last episodes of the old show. I also picked the debut of the new show, then the next 2 weeks, followed by last week's episode (which is exactly 1 year later from the 2016 edition). Here is what the numbers show:
Date / Total Viewers (000s) / 18 - 49 Viewers (000s)
3/7/16 / 618 / 339
1/31/17 / 475 / 238 - One of the last "old" editions
2/7/17 / 732 / 462 - First Show with His and Hers
2/14/17 / 531 / 308
2/21/17 / 500 / 294
3/7/17 / 443 / 235
Ideally that would be in a table but I hate the new board. As always with statistics, I'm sure you could produce other ones. I have no idea about the dates I picked other than getting their premiere. You can see from March 7, 2016 to one of their last editions in January a big decline in total viewers and young viewers. Predictably with the amount of promotion that went into the new show, the best numbers were with the premiere. It does not appear that those were sticky viewers however, as they showed a larger decline 1 week later than the old show did between their 10 month gap. The following 2 weeks continued to show decline, and the year over year numbers show the old edition with a healthy lead in total viewers and younger viewers. I did check to ensure that March Madness selection didn't occur 1 week earlier last year, which would have explained the larger number.
So, I'm not sure if the ratings for His and Hers are really up over the predecessors. I'm quite sure that with all the data points my somewhat random sample could be disproved. Even if the numbers are marginally better, ESPN has put a lot more promotion expense into this than they had the previous edition, negating some of the benefit (if there is any). I don't think the His and Hers SportsCenter will be around on March 8, 2018 (at least not in the current format).
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Capella
Footballguy
Hmmm. Richard Deitsch from SI was talking about it. I'll have to find the article or tweet.
Corporation
Angry Bovine
Yeah like I said the numbers I pulled randomly could be skewed (unintentionally) but it appears the show is declining pretty rapidly. There's almost always a decline of some sort, but it doesn't appear to be building buzz and numbers as it goes. I tried to pick the same day of the week each time to avoid weekly peaks and valleys.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I don't know a single person in real life who has talked about the new Sportscaster at 6 pm EST. I imagine it is pretty awful, though, since Jemele Hill is neck and neck with Stephen A. Smith as far as worst of the worst goes. Michael Smith was good when he used to be on Around the Horn, but that seems like a long time ago.
Jayrok
Footballguy
It appears to be black culture. Jemele Hill used the phrase "unapologetically black" in describing her and Smith as a team, as if the color of one's skin is something to apologize for. Of course they aren't saying that and of course it isn't about skin color. It's about black culture.TLEF316 said:
ESPN has always had diversity on the sets of their various shows, But they're all centered around sports and highlights. ESPN has seen the success of major network shows like Empire and Scandal, and comedies like Blackish... and they're trying to have a sports-related show on their network that is fresh and will appeal to a more diverse fan base (not just highlight fans).
There will be game highlights and commentary on sports news of the day (Brady rumored to retire, Leveon Bell undergoes season ending surgery), but they'll include discussions on pop culture too (Beyonce is having triplets, Amy Schumer isn't happy with Trump). And if there is big news they'll spend most of the show on it (e.g. Police shooting a black man).
SportsCenter is on most of the day for highlights, etc. People weren't watching His and Hers because it was on at noon. They believe the 6 pm is a prime slot for people to tune into the network after they get home from work, so they didn't want to simply move a show called His and Hers to that slot. So they kept the SC title and moved the noon show to that prime slot and called it The Six.
They know that older sports fans who want highlights and commentary won't stick around but they're hoping to grab a crop of new, younger, culturally hip viewers to bring a shot in the arm to the network. The problem they'll find, imo, is that they're off the mark when casting their net for these new viewers. Shows like Scandal and Empire appeal mostly to black women. I'm sure many of them like sports, but not sure they will tune in for The Six.
Now if ESPN will produce a show called The Real Wives of the NBA or something like that, they'll have a hit on their hands.
Tom Skerritt
Footballguy
Chapelboy
Footballguy
Chapelboy
Footballguy
As an old guy of 50, it is amazing to me how ESPN used to be the "go to" channel for everything sports...and now I click right past it. I do check the 30 for 30 to see if something new shows up, but otherwise those are on Netflix anyway. I am nostalgic for old ESPN as well as CNN Sports Latenight with Charles and Hickman. Those guys were great.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Caught the 6 oclock Sportscenter after PTI this week - wtf?
I think outside of PTI (which I record and prob watch 2 of 5 per week), 30/30 is the only program I will watch on that network at this point.
I think outside of PTI (which I record and prob watch 2 of 5 per week), 30/30 is the only program I will watch on that network at this point.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I was trying to see highlights of the elite 8 the other day and turned on espn. Sportscenter was on...and they were showing an interview with Geno Auriemma. Everything seemed normal until they asked him about his stance on global warming... huh? What does that have to do with basketball?
need2know
Footballguy
mr. furley
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
As long as they keep SC6, they'll be fine"It's a bloodbath", "Disney has ordered a Code Red": as many as 70 layoffs of on-air talent, writers, and analysts, up from 40/50 estimate.
mr. furley
Footballguy
the 30 studio shows per day recapping highlights are just too much.
the GMA style morning show with 11 hosts is unnecessary. there's no need for this pop culture talk show style sports highlight show.
and, #### sake, there really isn't need for an hour long pre & post game show for every single game.
the GMA style morning show with 11 hosts is unnecessary. there's no need for this pop culture talk show style sports highlight show.
and, #### sake, there really isn't need for an hour long pre & post game show for every single game.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
damn straight - Hill and Smiff be all "hip" and "urban" yo - don't hate, congratulate
The General
Footballguy
I can't even remember the last time I actually watched Sportscenter. Maybe on in the background when I'm traveling.
30 for 30 and live sports have been the only ESPN programming I really remember tuning into watch for years.
30 for 30 and live sports have been the only ESPN programming I really remember tuning into watch for years.
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
So ESPN's strategy clearly is to gut its NHL and MLB coverage, as well as college and regional reporters on the web site.
Among those out (so far):
NHL
Pierre Lebrun
Scott Burnside
Joe MacDonald
MLB
Jayson Stark
Jim Bowden
Doug Padilla (Dodgers)
Mark Saxon
NFL
Ed Werder
Trent Dilfer
Paul Kuharsky (Titans)
College
Brett McMurphy
Dana O'Neil
Brendan Fitzgrerald (ESPNU)
Eamonn Brennan
C.L. Brown
Austin Ward (B1G football)
Jesse Temple (Wisconsin.B1G)
Derek Tyson (recruiting)
Jeremy Crabtree (recruiting)
Soccer
Mike Goodman
General
Johnette Howard
Jean-Jacques Taylor
According to Deadspin ... Additionally, The Hollywood Reporter reports that Karl Ravech, Ryen Russillo, and Hannah Storm will see their roles “significantly reduced.”
Among those out (so far):
NHL
Pierre Lebrun
Scott Burnside
Joe MacDonald
MLB
Jayson Stark
Jim Bowden
Doug Padilla (Dodgers)
Mark Saxon
NFL
Ed Werder
Trent Dilfer
Paul Kuharsky (Titans)
College
Brett McMurphy
Dana O'Neil
Brendan Fitzgrerald (ESPNU)
Eamonn Brennan
C.L. Brown
Austin Ward (B1G football)
Jesse Temple (Wisconsin.B1G)
Derek Tyson (recruiting)
Jeremy Crabtree (recruiting)
Soccer
Mike Goodman
General
Johnette Howard
Jean-Jacques Taylor
According to Deadspin ... Additionally, The Hollywood Reporter reports that Karl Ravech, Ryen Russillo, and Hannah Storm will see their roles “significantly reduced.”
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Talk about doing a ####ty job of who to get rid of, that network is a ####### disaster.
There is so much "talent" they could've gotten rid of, but looks like they won't.
There is so much "talent" they could've gotten rid of, but looks like they won't.
Capella
Footballguy
Pretty sure it was a long contract.
Sucks for everybody fired today. As for the carnival acts who are staying, they are bringing in more money than they cost.
John Bender
Footballguy
No big loss to me. MLB Network for me is the best thing around for a baseball fan - it's essentially the same as Red Zone for NFL every night of the week they aren't broadcasting the game with great commentators/personalities. Haven't watched baseball tonight in years :(
otb_lifer
Footballguy
brilliantly scathing take on that rolling ####show - and, to no one's real surprise, Hill comes off like a complete and utter ####tard.
give that dude a Pulitzer or a Peabody or a Nobel!
HOLLA!
otb_lifer
Footballguy
i couldn't give two glorious ##### about it getting canceled, or if it stays on the air for twenty more years.Some of you dudes are uncomfortably interested in that show getting cancelled.
it's garbage, and the dude nailed how ridiculous it is in his piece above.
if that's the Flagship show for ESPN, so be it - doesn't change my life in the least.
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