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Sproles "wowing" in Camp (1 Viewer)

He really is in the best possible situation.Expectations based on draft position are low. All anyone expects is some kick returns. All game long opponents key on Tomlinson and then in the second/third quarter Sproles comes in against a tiring defense in passing situations most likely. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he averages 5+ yards per carry in a half dozen carries a game under those circumstances.BTW I was thinking the exact same thing about Lionel James. One of my favorite Chargers ever.

 
For the love of all things holy can we please stop comparing these guys to Barry Sanders. Barry is a once in a 1,000 years human being freak. Sproles will NEVER be a featured back in the NFL. See all the Quentin Griffin threads from last year. Will he serve a purpose. Yes. Can he move a pile 25 times a game, 16 games a year. No.So if he has value or not depends on what you are expecting from him.And another thing... please, please, please stop talking about minicamps like it is week 14 of the regular NFL season. Good college defenses were able to stop Sproles in his tracks. 1st team NFL defenses primed for a regular season game will have no problem.This is like Quentin Griffin all over again. :wall:

 
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Good college defenses were able to stop Sproles in his tracks.
only when the k state offense was not balanced and they could key on him. in his junior year, when the k state offense was more multidimensional, he was a heisman finalist and almost unstoppable.
 
I'm going to Training Camp tommorrow, I'll give you my report on Sproles. He looked awesome live at minicamp, but now the pads will be on. Oklahoma Drill tommorrow, gotta love Martys Old Skool ways.

 
For the love of all things holy can we please stop comparing these guys to Barry Sanders. Barry is a once in a 1,000 years human being freak. Sproles will NEVER be a featured back in the NFL. See all the Quentin Griffin threads from last year. Will he serve a purpose. Yes. Can he move a pile 25 times a game, 16 games a year. No.

So if he has value or not depends on what you are expecting from him.

And another thing... please, please, please stop talking about minicamps like it is week 14 of the regular NFL season. Good college defenses were able to stop Sproles in his tracks. 1st team NFL defenses primed for a regular season game will have no problem.

This is like Quentin Griffin all over again. :wall:
Agreed - Sproles is not Barry. I disagree - Sproles is not Griffin either.

The truth is somewhere in between, I personally see Sproles as in the Westbrook mold.

 
For the love of all things holy can we please stop comparing these guys to Barry Sanders. Barry is a once in a 1,000 years human being freak. Sproles will NEVER be a featured back in the NFL. See all the Quentin Griffin threads from last year. Will he serve a purpose. Yes. Can he move a pile 25 times a game, 16 games a year. No.

So if he has value or not depends on what you are expecting from him.

And another thing... please, please, please stop talking about minicamps like it is week 14 of the regular NFL season. Good college defenses were able to stop Sproles in his tracks. 1st team NFL defenses primed for a regular season game will have no problem.

This is like Quentin Griffin all over again. :wall:
Agreed - Sproles is not Barry. I disagree - Sproles is not Griffin either.

The truth is somewhere in between, I personally see Sproles as in the Westbrook mold.
at first i was thinking dante hall - but he's more complete than hall. a name that came up in a conversation with another FBG fit perfectly:ERIC METCALF

 
Sproles>>Michael Turner

It's not even close, Sproles would have murdered the MAC schedule.
:goodposting: I'm glad I finished the thread otherwise I would have double posted the same thing.

As one of the resident Big XII/Nebraska guys, I'm VERY happy to see Sproles out of the Big XII. It's going to be very interesting to see how they get him on the field.

FF-wise, I kind of agree with Oz that Sproles could be in the Westbrook mold. The only problem with that is Westy had Staley & CBuck to compete with. How far will Westy talent get you when competing against LT2?

 
Sproles>>Michael Turner

It's not even close, Sproles would have murdered the MAC schedule.
:goodposting: I'm glad I finished the thread otherwise I would have double posted the same thing.

As one of the resident Big XII/Nebraska guys, I'm VERY happy to see Sproles out of the Big XII. It's going to be very interesting to see how they get him on the field.

FF-wise, I kind of agree with Oz that Sproles could be in the Westbrook mold. The only problem with that is Westy had Staley & CBuck to compete with. How far will Westy talent get you when competing against LT2?
You're right. LT has Westbrook + Priest type talent.
 
Sproles>>Michael Turner

It's not even close, Sproles would have murdered the MAC schedule.
I'm not so sure about that. Are you comparing college numbers? Or are we talking NFL here. Two different leagues. Turner chimed in with a very solid game at the end of last season. Here's what the scout's said about these two:

Michael Turner

Positives: Has a thick and well-defined chest with broad shoulders, muscular arms, tight waist, good bubble, thick thighs and calves … Shows good quickness off the line and adequate vision and instincts … Strong inside runner with good body lean and burst hitting the crease … Has the power to break tackles at the line of scrimmage and in the open field … Shows the speed to bounce outside when the rush lanes are clogged … Does not show a true burst, but has good acceleration working in space … Shows excellent ball security with only two fumbles among his last 508 carries … Runs hard and with good effort … Has the built-up speed to run past defenders once he gets free … Improving receiver with adequate hands on the pitch-out … Shows patience waiting for blocks to develop as a returner, doing a nice job of picking a side, then cutting back across the grain.

Negatives: Runs from an I-back position and gets a good portion of his carries on pitchouts … Despite his success as a runner, he still needs to do a better job of anticipating and reading blocks in front of him … While he has the speed to turn the corner, he must learn to square up and get up field … Marginal route runner who looks for the ball too late and is slow to settle into his patterns … More of a body catcher than one who would reach and extend for the ball … Lacks a commitment to make a consistent effort as a blocker (does not play physical without the ball) … Flexibility is questioned, especially with his history of hamstring problems … Has had success as a runner, but if he read his blocks better and showed more awareness for hole development rather than make cuts in the hole too early, his production would increase.

AGILITY TESTS

4.42 in the 40-yard dash … 400-pound bench press … 385-pound squat … 295-pound power clean … Bench presses 225 pounds 20 times … 31½-inch vertical jump … 13 chin ups … 7.4 percent body fat … 29 3/8-inch arm length … 9 5/8-inch hands … Left-handed.

Darren Sproles

Positives: Has a very short and compact build, but is naturally strong and shows good muscle definition, good bubble and thick thighs … Possesses above-average power and explosion coming off the snap … Does a very good job of finding the rush lanes and accelerating through the holes … Has excellent hip swerve, wiggle and balance to slip through tight creases … Despite his size, he has the strength, vision and cutback ability to drive hard for the inside yardage … His low center of gravity and leg drive allow him to break arm tackles … His lateral agility and body control will generally see the initial tackler miss when Sproles turns the corner … Has excellent agility to bounce outside to the perimeter when the holes are clogged … Instinctive setting up his blocks and has that second gear needed to elude in the open … Will lower his shoulder and fight for extra yardage … Has the vision to spot and beat angles … Rarely outruns his blockers and does a good job of spinning, sliding, jump cutting and keeping his feet when attacking the hole … Very effective route runner who can even line up in the slot … Crisp runner on flares and is a natural hands catcher … His natural running instincts are evident when he generates a sudden burst when hitting the seam … Shifty and elusive in the open, he demonstrates good ball security, holding on to the pigskin high and tight.

Negatives: Has a very small frame, but it packs impressive power … Can get rag-dolled by the larger defenders when he tries to pick up the blitz … Has good hands and runs decent routes, but the KSU system did not involve him in the passing game much … Does a good job of securing the ball, but has smaller than ideal hands … Poor intelligence test scores might indicate a problem digesting a complicated playbook … Good returner, but does not like to fair catch and needs to work behind his blocks better in this area (does show patience waiting for blocks to develop as a running back, though) … Seems to run out of gas late in games (overuse) and might be better served as a third-down back at the next level.

COMBINE: 4.49 in the 40-yard dash … 2.58 20-yard dash … 1.53 10-yard dash … 3.96 20-yard shuttle … 11.13 60-yard shuttle … 6.96 three-cone drill … 33-inch vertical jump … 8-foot-9 broad jump … Bench-pressed 225 pounds 23 times … 28¼-inch arm length … 8¼-inch hands.

 
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Sproles WILL be a everydown back in the NFL...everyone said he couldn't be an everydown back in prep football, then they said he couldn't be in high school, then when he came as a freshman to KSU they said he'd never be anything more than a special teams player...well we all know the results.

 
Sproles WILL be a everydown back in the NFL...everyone said he couldn't be an everydown back in prep football, then they said he couldn't be in high school, then when he came as a freshman to KSU they said he'd never be anything more than a special teams player...well we all know the results.
This is The N.F.L.(Not For Little Man)Got it? So please,He's fast.

He'll be the first one to go Home. :lmao:

 
I have been reading and hearing great things about Sproles since his first mini camp. Defenders are tackling air left and right out there.
So in the no pads, no tackling practices, defenders were "tackling air." Got it. Thanks.
exactly, they could not even TAG or touch him, nevermind get close enough to put a hit on him,
 
Yes it is the NFL and he will succeed once again when all the doubters call him out. The only time Sproles missed any team was his first or second year when he had a shoulder injury that kept him out for maybe 5 games. He was healthy for most his college career despite having so many touches on offense and special teams. He will succeed because he won't get very many good hits on him because it is so hard to take a clean shot on him. Not many running backs were as healthy as Sproles was in his college career.

 
Look, don't put me firmly in the Sproles won't make in the NFL camp. But, by saying what you guys are saying, you are completely discrediting Michael Turner. Turner doesn't suck. As a matter of fact, he is every bit the prospect Darren Sproles is. It'll be more of a battle than the Sproles camp here is making it out to be.

 
Negatives: Has a very small frame, but it packs impressive power … Can get rag-dolled by the larger defenders when he tries to pick up the blitz … Has good hands and runs decent routes, but the KSU system did not involve him in the passing game much … Does a good job of securing the ball, but has smaller than ideal hands … Poor intelligence test scores might indicate a problem digesting a complicated playbook … Good returner, but does not like to fair catch and needs to work behind his blocks better in this area (does show patience waiting for blocks to develop as a running back, though) … [b]Seems to run out of gas late in games (overuse) and might be better served as a third-down back at the next level.

I'm not sure but doesn't third down backs usually pick up blitzes well and be better than average at catching passes?

....."rag-dolled" by blitzes.....smaller than ideal hands.....better served as a third down back :potkettle:

 
Negatives: Has a very small frame, but it packs impressive power … Can get rag-dolled by the larger defenders when he tries to pick up the blitz … Has good hands and runs decent routes, but the KSU system did not involve him in the passing game much … Does a good job of securing the ball, but has smaller than ideal hands … Poor intelligence test scores might indicate a problem digesting a complicated playbook … Good returner, but does not like to fair catch and needs to work behind his blocks better in this area (does show patience waiting for blocks to develop as a running back, though) … [b]Seems to run out of gas late in games (overuse) and might be better served as a third-down back at the next level.

I'm not sure but doesn't third down backs usually pick up blitzes well and be better than average at catching passes?

....."rag-dolled" by blitzes.....smaller than ideal hands.....better served as a third down back :potkettle:
Do you really think they're envisioning Sproles as being brought in for blocking purposes? I think their point is that he'd create matchup problems for linebackers while running routes out of the backfield. Not that they'd bring him in to max protect. In all likelihood, you can't accurately predict a blitz. But, it's not hard to figure out what the scouting report was getting at.
 
Are you comparing college numbers?
The college numbers are pretty close. Turner is the 13th all-time leading rusher in NCAA history. Sproles is 11th.
That's what I'm getting at. There's a few in this thread who aren't even giving Turner a shot. Pretty unrealistic that Sproles just runs right by him.
 
Negatives: Has a very small frame, but it packs impressive power … Can get rag-dolled by the larger defenders when he tries to pick up the blitz … Has good hands and runs decent routes, but the KSU system did not involve him in the passing game much … Does a good job of securing the ball, but has smaller than ideal hands … Poor intelligence test scores might indicate a problem digesting a complicated playbook … Good returner, but does not like to fair catch and needs to work behind his blocks better in this area (does show patience waiting for blocks to develop as a running back, though) … [b]Seems to run out of gas late in games (overuse) and might be better served as a third-down back at the next level.

I'm not sure but doesn't third down backs usually pick up blitzes well and be better than average at catching passes?

....."rag-dolled" by blitzes.....smaller than ideal hands.....better served as a third down back :potkettle:
Do you really think they're envisioning Sproles as being brought in for blocking purposes? I think their point is that he'd create matchup problems for linebackers while running routes out of the backfield. Not that they'd bring him in to max protect. In all likelihood, you can't accurately predict a blitz. But, it's not hard to figure out what the scouting report was getting at.
sproles just plain not big enough to take on blitzers, and thats never gonna change. he can cut block them, but a lot of DE/OLB types are more than athletic enough to get around that.
 
Look, don't put me firmly in the Sproles won't make in the NFL camp. But, by saying what you guys are saying, you are completely discrediting Michael Turner. Turner doesn't suck. As a matter of fact, he is every bit the prospect Darren Sproles is. It'll be more of a battle than the Sproles camp here is making it out to be.
:goodposting: turner gets no respect and i have no idea why.

 
From this morning's camp report: "Sproles lined up out wide on a few occasions. This will likely be the norm heading into the season as they look to get the dynamic playmaker some touches."

 
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From this morning's camp report: "Sproles lined up out wide on a few occasions. This will likely be the norm heading into the season as they look to get the dynamic playmaker some touches."
Good find. The guy flat out creats matchup problems, and he will be used. I still lean toward Turner as the backup.
 
Sproles college highlights

I've only watched "Darren Sproles Part 1", but it is goot.
Things I didn't know...........what's a goot?Is it another West Coast Thing? I asked Lhucks was a Poser was and he said he forgot I was from the Midwest. Is goot another term like that?

I asked my wife and she said he must mean it's a hoot.......I don't know though.

 
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