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Spygate II: The Apple Doesn't Fall Far From The Tree (1 Viewer)

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http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16720519

In an echo of the New England Patriots' "Spygate" scandal, the NFL is investigating whether a Broncos employee videotaped a San Francisco 49ers walk-through at London's Wembley Stadium four weeks ago.

Broncos chief operating officer Joe Ellis confirmed Friday that Steve Scarnecchia, the team's director of video operations, is on a "personal leave of absence" while team and league officials investigate the matter, but he declined to comment further. Scarnecchia did not travel with the team to San Diego last weekend and has not been at the team's Dove Valley complex this week.

 
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Something must be wrong here - I was pretty sure that the Patriots are the only team in the league to have ever done this.

 
I guess it is possible that Scarnecchia thought of this on his own maybe trying to impress his bosses or somesuch.

I believe he's Dante's son and thus he's been around the NFL his whole life, heard a million stories etc.

 
Was Steve the Pats video director in 2007. I know the assistant was who got caught, but was he the director?

 
wiki link to original http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_National...ing_controversy

I always thought the same as Johnson, that many teams did it and it was a bit odd the Pats would be dopey and continue to do so despite the commish telling every team to stop. The reaction was insane, totally ignoring that every team (or enough teams) did it that would initialize Goodell to send a memo to everyone saying to stop doing it.

 
Coaching staff gathered in the projector room ... cups of coffee at hand, prepared to pore over hours of video ... McDaniels yells : "Kill the lights, Roll tape!" ...

After 30 seconds ... a voice rings out: "Hey, we gotta tackle #21 !!!" ... end tape.

Off to Picadilly Square ...

:thumbup:

 
What would be funny about this is that the Broncos still lost the freaking game. That Josh McDaniels sure is a genius. :thumbup:

 
To be accurate, this should be called Dolphins gate II, as it concerns the procurement of walkthru tape, similar to the walkthru tape of the Patriots that was offered to the Dolphins a few years back as opposed to a sequel to Spygate which substantively had to do with procurement of in game play calling footage.

But since its McDaniels, people choose to accept the non sequitor.

 
wiki link to original http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_National...ing_controversy

I always thought the same as Johnson, that many teams did it and it was a bit odd the Pats would be dopey and continue to do so despite the commish telling every team to stop. The reaction was insane, totally ignoring that every team (or enough teams) did it that would initialize Goodell to send a memo to everyone saying to stop doing it.
How many other teams lost draft picks because of their activities?
To be accurate, this should be called Dolphins gate II, as it concerns the procurement of walkthru tape, similar to the walkthru tape of the Patriots that was offered to the Dolphins a few years back as opposed to a sequel to Spygate which substantively had to do with procurement of in game play calling footage.

But since its McDaniels, people choose to accept the non sequitor.
:nerd: You killed an ant with a sledgehammer, just go with the flow VBD.
 
There is no doubt taping helps. The Patriots knew the first 20 scripted plays the Rams ran in the SB. Friggen cheaters. That was one of the times when you can easily say the better team didn't win.

 
I think it was Cecil and some other guys interviewing Mike Klis on 87.7 The Ticket today. One viewers synopsis:

Klis:

Working the story now.

Scarnecchia brought over from the Pats, Klis says unquestionably McD's worst move in his tenure was bringing in someone from the Pats Video department. (says worse than Cutler or anything else)

Not good times for the Broncos or McD.

Cecil emphasized that nothing has been proven...

Mike Klis said the Broncos are going to issue a statement (that won't be good enough in his opinion). Says they will talk about the staff member that video'd that practice will be dealt/has been dealt with.

Pats 16-0 during Spygate... Broncos 3-7.

Pat Bowlen doesn't like to be embarrassed. Is McD gone after this? According to Mike Klis, this could very well be the final straw. Expect the Broncos to support McD but if the NFL investigates and finds the Broncos guilty of filming violations, that support will likely not go as far as saving his job.

Pretty much it. Little side talk and joking about how bad the Broncos are and how not even cheating can save them.

 
During the Todd Haley refusing to shake the hand of Josh McDaniels hullabaloo they re-ran the tape multiple times to try and figure out what Todd Haley said to Josh as he wagged his finger in his face and they determined that Haley said.

"I've been hearning lots of $h!* about you."

Putting two and two together it seems that Haley may have been hinting at what McDaniels has been accused of.

 
McD is the de-facto head. The buck stops with him. if this goes to ####, it's on McD. If found to be true, he has to go.

I've been a supporter of McD up until the raider game, been indifferent since them, and now I'm leaning towards the Fire McD side.

 
Jeff Legwold and Dave Kreiger of the Denver Post report that the league is looking into whether the Broncos recorded a San Fran walk-through practice at Wembley Stadium on October 30, the day before the two teams played there. On the 30th, each team had access to the venue for the session aimed at reviewing key portions of the game plan.

Per the Post, Broncos COO Joe Ellis confirmed that Broncos director of video operations Steve Scarnecchia is on a “personal leave of absence” as the NFL and the team investigate the situation.

McDaniels was employed by the Patriots during the infamous Spygate scandal, which arose from the videotaping of in-game defensive coaching signals. Scarnecchia left after the 2004 season, and he became the Jets’ director of video operations under coach Eric Mangini in 2006. Both McDaniels and Scarnecchia arrived in New England in 2001.
linkMore tapes for the NFL to burn.

 
There is no doubt taping helps. The Patriots knew the first 20 scripted plays the Rams ran in the SB. Friggen cheaters. That was one of the times when you can easily say the better team didn't win.
link?if you like, I can provide you with a link to the allegations of the rams attempting to spy on the patriots pre-sb practice sessions from a nearby hotel window, prompting the patriots to move all their practice sessions to an indoor facility."You're witnessing the beginning of a dynasty." - Ricky Proehl
 
There is no doubt taping helps. The Patriots knew the first 20 scripted plays the Rams ran in the SB. Friggen cheaters. That was one of the times when you can easily say the better team didn't win.
Too bad the game wasn't decided after the first 20 plays; then you'd have a point.And then if the Patriots hadn't gone on to be one of the most successful franchises in the 2000's (and the Rams one of the worst), you'd also have a point.It's unfortunate your 10-year old case of sour grapes has gotten in the way of facts.
 
There is no doubt taping helps. The Patriots knew the first 20 scripted plays the Rams ran in the SB. Friggen cheaters. That was one of the times when you can easily say the better team didn't win.
Lol, I'm sure Belichek will care what you think when hes voted into the hall of fame. Do you yell at the TV when the Pats are on? It must drive you crazy that the announcers almost always refer to Belichek as a 'genius'.Whatever you think about the stupid spygate story, no one that matters cares. Belichek just keeps bringing wins to New England, and the announcers praise him for it every week.
 
San Francisco runs the most unimaginative offense in the NFL. McDaniels has to be a total moron if he really needs this type of advantage to beat the Niners. It doesn't help that he's 5-15 over the last 20 games.

 
NFL Network's Jason La Canfora is reporting that the Broncos and head coach Josh McDaniels have both been fined $50,000 for illegally taping an opponent's practice.

The Broncos were under investigation by the NFL for taping a 49ers walk-through in Week 8 in London. Team video director Steve Scarnecchia reportedly took the video and presented it to McDaniels, who declined to view it. Team officials were made aware of the incident following the team's return from London, and self reported it to the NFL. Scarnecchia has been terminated from his position and will face a possible life-time ban from the NFL. We question that Scarnecchia was working without orders from McDaniels, unless taping was something Scarnecchia had been doing all year long. The whole situation is fishy.

 
To be accurate, this should be called Dolphins gate II, as it concerns the procurement of walkthru tape, similar to the walkthru tape of the Patriots that was offered to the Dolphins a few years back as opposed to a sequel to Spygate which substantively had to do with procurement of in game play calling footage.But since its McDaniels, people choose to accept the non sequitor.
I haven't read anything that indicates the Broncos bought the tape as opposed to filmed it with their employees, just like the Pats. The league also determined that the Dolphins did no wrong by using TV footage to prepare for their opponent, yet penalties were levied against the Pats and Broncos because what they did was against the rules and thus cheating. Although the Pats were caught red handed taping actual game footage, there were also accusations of taping walk throughs as well so that distinction between what was taped is a bit flimsy. How again is this situation more similar to the Dolphins than to the Patriots?
 
will face a possible life-time ban from the NFL.
That won't happen.With his dad working 30? years for the Pats, I don't think he has any loyalties to the Broncos. If pushed, and it seems he is being, I'd bet he squeals on what happened.I imagine we'll learn the Broncos were fools to make him the scapegoat. They should have taken the punishment and moved on.
 
How again is this situation more similar to the Dolphins than to the Patriots?
How? Because apparently people have forgotten about the Jets doing this too (or allegedly doing this)The Pats are who people remember and who they want.This will become his protege Mangini, his buddy Saban (he was there then right?) and now his student McDaniels. It'll go back on BB, just wait. The similarity is they are all pawns and people want the king.
 
The NFL has concluded that former Broncos director of video operations Steve Scarnecchia indeed recorded a portion of the 49ers’ walk-through practice conducted at Wembley Stadium in London. But the league also has concluded that coach Josh McDaniels refused to watch the tape.

The end result? Scarnecchia has been fired with cause, the Broncos have been fined $50,000 because they are responsible for the conduct of their employees, and McDaniels has been fined $50,000 for not immediately reporting the infraction.

Because the league has determined that Scarnecchia is a repeat offender of the policy in question (the specific nature of the prior violation is not yet clear, given that he left the Patriots after the 2004 season), the league will conduct a hearing aimed at determining whether he should be barred from further employment with the league or any of its teams.

“The investigation disclosed that on October 30, the day before the Broncos played the 49ers in London, Steve Scarnecchia, Denver’s video director, was present in Wembley Stadium,” Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote in a letter to Broncos owner Pat Bowlen. “He was properly at the stadium, along with players, coaches and other club staff, to prepare for the October 31 game. During this time, the Broncos conducted their final walk-thru. After the Denver players and most of the other team staff left Wembley, Mr. Scarnecchia remained behind to continue setting up his equipment for the next day. At one point he noticed that the 49ers were conducting their walk-thru practice, and he surreptitiously recorded a portion (approximately six minutes in length) of that practice.”

Goodell’s letter carefully points out that the investigation revealed no active culpability on McDaniels’ part. “Our investigators immediately and independently interviewed Coach McDaniels and did so under circumstances that would have made it impossible for him to have spoken to Mr. Scarnecchia in advance. (It is also significant that your staff had not previously discussed the matter with Coach McDaniels; thus, his meeting with NFL Security was the first time that he had been questioned on the matter.) Coach McDaniels recounted essentially the same sequence of events as Mr. Scarnnechia had previously disclosed — namely, that Mr. Scarnecchia had come to him and advised that he had recorded the walk-thru, and that Coach McDaniels told Mr. Scarnecchia that he was not interested in watching the tape and did not do so,” Goodell wrote.

“Based on our investigation, we have found no evidence to suggest that Coach McDaniels or any other member of the coaching staff watched the tape. Nor have we identified any evidence to suggest that any member of the coaching staff or club management directed Mr. Scarnecchia to record the practice. We are aware of no evidence that would indicate the recording of any other opposing team practices or walk-thrus, or the like. And there is no reason to believe that the improper videotaping in London had any competitive effect on the October 31 game between the Broncos and 49ers.”
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“The coach’s failure to do so is inconsistent with the Policy on Integrity of the Game, which imposes an obligation on executives, head coaches and others with knowledge of violations to report them promptly,” Goodell wrote. “Because Coach McDaniels failed to do so, I have decided to impose a fine on him of $50,000. I have also, as you know, personally discussed this matter with Coach McDaniels, and have emphasized his critical role in fostering and maintaining a culture of integrity within the football organization. I believe that he now understands his responsibilities in this respect, and am hopeful that he will live up to those responsibilities in the future.
:shock:
 
How again is this situation more similar to the Dolphins than to the Patriots?
How? Because apparently people have forgotten about the Jets doing this too (or allegedly doing this)The Pats are who people remember and who they want.This will become his protege Mangini, his buddy Saban (he was there then right?) and now his student McDaniels. It'll go back on BB, just wait. The similarity is they are all pawns and people want the king.
:shock: I get that people want blood from BB, it was such a great story what he did with the Pats and then the cheating thing kinda ruins the mystique a little. Kinda like McGuire and the home run records in baseball. A lot of hate may be misplaced, but that wasn't what I was taking issue with. An allegation was made that this incident is more like the Dolphins incident than Spygate, which I don't think is true at all. The Dolphins used TV footage, Pats/Broncos used employees to tape. The Dolphins didn't get sanctioned by the NFL, the Pats/Broncos did. It may not be the same, but it is certainly more similar to the Pats incident than the Dolphins one.
 
To be accurate, this should be called Dolphins gate II, as it concerns the procurement of walkthru tape, similar to the walkthru tape of the Patriots that was offered to the Dolphins a few years back as opposed to a sequel to Spygate which substantively had to do with procurement of in game play calling footage.But since its McDaniels, people choose to accept the non sequitor.
I haven't read anything that indicates the Broncos bought the tape as opposed to filmed it with their employees, just like the Pats. The league also determined that the Dolphins did no wrong by using TV footage to prepare for their opponent, yet penalties were levied against the Pats and Broncos because what they did was against the rules and thus cheating. Although the Pats were caught red handed taping actual game footage, there were also accusations of taping walk throughs as well so that distinction between what was taped is a bit flimsy. How again is this situation more similar to the Dolphins than to the Patriots?
the substance of the fine against belichick was for taping opposing coaches on the sideline in game as a means of determining playcalls, a commonplace practice in the nfl that goodell had to re-enforce repeatedly with coaching personnel around the league before it was comprehensively stopped.allegations aside, there is no connection between "spygate" and filming of walkthrus, and such allegations have been levied against the dolphins, rams and a myriad of teams.
 
rooster, it isnt about pointing a finger at the dolphins, jets, rams or any other team for that matter. the point is "spygate" and the associated penalties were about trying to figure out playcalling from opposing coaches ingame not about trying to steal walkthru scripts. if you want to throw in allegations into the discussion too, dont get bent of out shape if other teams are dragged into the allegations discussion.

 
rooster, it isnt about pointing a finger at the dolphins, jets, rams or any other team for that matter. the point is "spygate" and the associated penalties were about trying to figure out playcalling from opposing coaches ingame not about trying to steal walkthru scripts. if you want to throw in allegations into the discussion too, dont get bent of out shape if other teams are dragged into the allegations discussion.
I would think Patriots fans would be the ones not wanting to get allegations dragged into the discussion (with the Rams super bowl walkthrough allegations that would directly contradict what you keep using as evidence). In the Dolphins case, it wasn't even walkthroughs, it was TV Game footage where the sound was enhanced and analyzed by the team. In any event, allegations or not, this incident is clearly more similar to Spygate than any other for the team being sanctioned alone and I think it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
 
I love the NFL's idea of an investigation. "Well, we asked him (McDaniels) and his story more or less matched up with others so it must be true." It reminds me ot their tampering investigation on the Vikings over Favre. There they said they asked Favre and once he denied it what more could they do? I swear, if you are an owner or an employee of the administration of a team you could be caught in another team's facility, with burgler tools, walking out with their playbook, film stock, the head coach's computer, and their back up Q.B. under your arm and if you denied wrong-doing the league would throw up their hands.

Now if you are a player and you get accused of impropriety they have no trouble disciplining you, even before facts are known or charges filed.

 
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Profootballtalk.com

NFL Executive Vice President Jeff Pash and Denver Broncos Chief Operating Officer Joe Ellis spoke with reporters Saturday in a conference call about the Broncos’ taping of the 49ers’ walk-through practice on October 30, and both men attempted to paint former Broncos director of video operations Steve Scarnecchia as a rogue employee who acted alone.

In fact, Pash praised the Broncos and owner Pat Bowlen, saying “they set an example” of the way a team should handle an employee breaking the rules.

“It came to our attention because the Broncos came and reported it to us,” Pash said. “Specifically Mr. Bowlen and Joe Ellis and the team’s counsel.”

Ellis said no one else involved with the Broncos had any knowledge of Scarnecchia’s actions.

“This is an incident done by one employee, and one employee only,” Ellis said, adding that the team reported the incident because “That’s what the integrity of the game policy requires us to do, and we follow the rules.”

Still, Broncos coach Josh McDaniels, who has been fined $50,000, didn’t immediately come forward to report one of his subordinate’s wrongdoing. McDaniels learned that Scarnecchia had taped the walk-through on October 30, but the league office didn’t find out until November 8.

“Josh should have come forward as soon as he found out,” Ellis acknowledged.

Although McDaniels’ tardiness in reporting the infraction could conceivably result in the Broncos firing McDaniels for cause, Ellis said that the team doesn’t consider anything McDaniels did to be a fireable offense, and McDaniels will be judged based on the team’s won-loss record — which Ellis admitted isn’t good enough, at 3-7.

“We’re disappointed with the season as it’s gone thus far, but we have six games left to play,” Ellis said. “This particular incident that one employee took advantage of or decided to take does not sway Mr. Bowlen’s feelings one way or the other. He understands that Josh made a mistake. Josh has acknowledged that and apologized.”

Ultimately, both Pash and Ellis fingered Scarnecchia as the person who should take the blame. And Pash pointed out that Scarnecchia, who as a member of the video staff in New England “was identified as one of the people who had been involved in improperly recording game signals,” had no margin for error.

So from the perspective of both the Broncos and the league office, Scarnecchia is the man who deserves to take the fall.

 
K8! said:
I love the NFL's idea of an investigation. "Well, we asked him (McDaniels) and his story more or less matched up with others so it must be true." It reminds me ot their tampering investigation on the Vikings over Favre. There they said they asked Favre and once he enied it what more could they do? I swear, if you are an owner or an employee of the administration of a team you could be caught in another team's facility, with burgler tools walking, out with their playbook, film stock, the head coach's computer, and their back up Q.B. under your arm and if you denied wrong-doing the league would throw up their hands.Now if you are a player and you get accused of impropriety they have no trouble disciplining you.
Exactly.
 
bulger2holt said:
There is no doubt taping helps. The Patriots knew the first 20 scripted plays the Rams ran in the SB. Friggen cheaters. That was one of the times when you can easily say the better team didn't win.
Sorry we ruined your dynasty-that-never-was and made one of our own. :goodposting:
 
In September, Goodell fined coach Bill Belichick $500,000, the team $250,000, and took away one of New England's first-round draft picks after ruling the team illegally filmed defensive signals of New York Jets coaches in the season opener.
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Walsh was told by the player, whose identity Specter would not divulge, that he memorized Tampa Bay's signals, then watched from the sideline for the Buccaneers' defensive calls. He would decipher the signals and pass them along to Weis, who would relay the information to the quarterback on the field. Specter said the player told Walsh the tape allowed the Patriots to anticipate 75 percent of the play calls. The Patriots lost that Sept. 3, 2000, game, 21-16.

Specter also said Walsh, who worked for the Patriots from 1997-2003 before being fired, told him he saw Steve Scarnecchia, son of Patriots offensive line coach Dante Scarnecchia and the Jets' current video director, filming signals for the Patriots.
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bulger2holt said:
There is no doubt taping helps. The Patriots knew the first 20 scripted plays the Rams ran in the SB. Friggen cheaters. That was one of the times when you can easily say the better team didn't win.
Sorry we ruined your dynasty-that-never-was and made one of our own. :whistle:
You have to admit that it wasn't a true dynasty :shock: NE's that is.
 
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bulger2holt said:
There is no doubt taping helps. The Patriots knew the first 20 scripted plays the Rams ran in the SB. Friggen cheaters. That was one of the times when you can easily say the better team didn't win.
Sorry we ruined your dynasty-that-never-was and made one of our own. :hifive:
No biggie. They set a record for scoring 500+ points in three straight years, went to 2 SB's, winning 1, will have 5 HOF'ers and have a name named after them. (GSOT). There will always be only one GSOT. They should have won 3 straight SB's. Hakim's fumble cost them the 2000 SB. It just shows you there is plenty of luck involved in winning championships. The best team doesn't always win, just like the 07 Pats. They were by far the best team that year and should have won too.
 
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bulger2holt said:
There is no doubt taping helps. The Patriots knew the first 20 scripted plays the Rams ran in the SB. Friggen cheaters. That was one of the times when you can easily say the better team didn't win.
Sorry we ruined your dynasty-that-never-was and made one of our own. :hifive:
No biggie. They set a record for scoring 500+ points in three straight years, went to 2 SB's, winning 1, will have 5 HOF'ers and have a name named after them. (GSOT). There will always be only one GSOT. They should have won 3 straight SB's. Hakim's fumble cost them the 2000 SB. It just shows you there is plenty of luck involved in winning championships. The best team doesn't always win, just like the 07 Pats. They were by far the best team that year and should have won too.
:thumbup: :lmao:
 
bulger2holt said:
There is no doubt taping helps. The Patriots knew the first 20 scripted plays the Rams ran in the SB. Friggen cheaters. That was one of the times when you can easily say the better team didn't win.
Sorry we ruined your dynasty-that-never-was and made one of our own. :goodposting:
I remember when dynasties were made of sterner stuff than tuck rules and videogates. I remember when you had to have four or five championships in 7 or 8 years.
 
bulger2holt said:
There is no doubt taping helps. The Patriots knew the first 20 scripted plays the Rams ran in the SB. Friggen cheaters. That was one of the times when you can easily say the better team didn't win.
Sorry we ruined your dynasty-that-never-was and made one of our own. :goodposting:
I remember when dynasties were made of sterner stuff than tuck rules and videogates. I remember when you had to have four or five championships in 7 or 8 years.
It's good to reminisce :thumbup:
 
bulger2holt said:
There is no doubt taping helps. The Patriots knew the first 20 scripted plays the Rams ran in the SB. Friggen cheaters. That was one of the times when you can easily say the better team didn't win.
Sorry we ruined your dynasty-that-never-was and made one of our own. :shrug:
I remember when dynasties were made of sterner stuff than tuck rules and videogates. I remember when you had to have four or five championships in 7 or 8 years.
It's good to reminisce :lmao:
Just the other day I was remembering when I could see see my toes and my tallywacker. Those were the days my friend, I thought they'd never end ...
 

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