SpyGate (1 Viewer)

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Post on another site from someone that has, for many years, claimed some sort of league insider access. Sometimes he's not been 100% right on, but most of the time he is.Here is his latest:

BB is not out of the woods...........apparently now that NBC pinned down Roger about BB punishment being an open book............word has gotten back to Roger today that the Jets have the smoking gun about radio communication disruption and defensive players wearing wires.........Mangini is going to give the commish the evidence............

Did you watch the interview with goody Goodell last night? I thought he was very evasive and didn't really answer any questions. I think he's gotten such a lack of support around the league for what was perceived as inadequate punishment that he has created the "it is still an open issue" stance so he can bring another hammer down. Seems that Mangini check raised the commish...and now is going all in. Goodell will have to call. Who knows? We'll have to wait and see.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I am naive I guess because I wouldn't have believed him being part of a scandal before......but I just don't believe they'd go as far as using communicating in the headsets. If they did do that, there will be some serious implications.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

I am naive I guess because I wouldn't have believed him being part of a scandal before......but I just don't believe they'd go as far as using communicating in the headsets. If they did do that, there will be some serious implications.

I think they would. Its not hard. Head sets "go out" all the time.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I am naive I guess because I wouldn't have believed him being part of a scandal before......but I just don't believe they'd go as far as using communicating in the headsets. If they did do that, there will be some serious implications.

I think they would. Its not hard. Head sets "go out" all the time.

Defensive players from what I understand aren't allowed to wear mic/headsets inside the helmete to communicate with the sidelines like 1 player from the offense can.

 

[reg]

who is that again? i remember someone on here used to post his stuff, but can't remember the team he claimed he worked for. titans or jags i believe. the typing style is very distinct

 

[PahtyTom]

It's all very gay. The video evidence they showed on Fox was so stupid. I'd be surprised if most the other teams in the NFL didn't do the same thing.

 

[GregR_2]

I am naive I guess because I wouldn't have believed him being part of a scandal before......but I just don't believe they'd go as far as using communicating in the headsets. If they did do that, there will be some serious implications.

I wouldn't have thought he'd have done what he did, at least not after getting the warning from the league, and against an estranged former colleague who knows his dirty laundry.But between what we know definitely happened... and the sheer volume of suspicious stuff that has come out.... man, I don't know what to think now. I mean, the talk about how his cameramen going back to his Browns days acted suspicious, the talk about the extra radio frequencies (which I believe would mean they are talking to the QB after the signal is cut off, not adding radios to defensive player helmets), the taping incident at the Packers game where they said the cameraman was actually signaling to the coaches, the possible miking of his own players, the stuff about opposing team's headsets going out at Foxboro only during key drives...At some point the knowledge he was willing to do what he did, and the volume of other stuff, makes me really wonder. Let's say that the absolute truth on everything that has gone on was going to come out. Full admission with full evidence. Would you make an even money bet that the video taping that was already caught was the only transgression (or intentional one anyway) as he apparently has claimed to the commish?At this point, I don't think I'd take that bet.

 

[corpcow]

It's all very gay. The video evidence they showed on Fox was so stupid. I'd be surprised if most the other teams in the NFL didn't do the same thing.

I didn't see the video evidence... What was it? Link?

 

[massraider]

It's all very gay. The video evidence they showed on Fox was so stupid. I'd be surprised if most the other teams in the NFL didn't do the same thing.

I didn't see the video evidence... What was it? Link?

Jay Glazer on Fox showed the clip. Very simple. The cameraman would focus on the coaches, then pan up to the scoreboard for time, down/distance, to mark the point in the game. Then repeat.

 

[UlyssesNorris]

Interesting. I did get the sense watching all that last night that there may be more to come, but that could just be my acting up.

btw, anyone who hasn't had enough self-righteousness in their life today should be sure to check out Bill Simmons' latest column.

 

[massraider]

btw, anyone who hasn't had enough self-righteousness in their life today should be sure to check out Bill Simmons' latest column.

That was awful. I have read better arguments from Pats fans on this board.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Chris Landry was on the local sports radio show here last week and said that he wasn't surprised at what was going down.

He also said that Belichick had asked him to do some questionable things when he was scouting for the Browns under BB. Landry didn't really elaborate but said that he refused at the time and told BB that if he needed him to do that then he needed a better scout because he obviously wasn't doing a very good job.

One thing he did say that BB asked him to do was to go through the opposing teams garbage up in the coaches box after games looking for info. He said he refused to do that as well.

 

[David Yudkin]

I don't get the big deal about the defenders wearing mikes. I can hear all the signals of every QB on my home theater in perfect clarity. What could they possibly get from the QB that a million people watching the game couldn't?

 

[jonessed]

Post on another site from someone that has, for many years, claimed some sort of league insider access. Sometimes he's not been 100% right on, but most of the time he is.Here is his latest:

BB is not out of the woods...........apparently now that NBC pinned down Roger about BB punishment being an open book............word has gotten back to Roger today that the Jets have the smoking gun about radio communication disruption and defensive players wearing wires.........Mangini is going to give the commish the evidence............

Did you watch the interview with goody Goodell last night? I thought he was very evasive and didn't really answer any questions. I think he's gotten such a lack of support around the league for what was perceived as inadequate punishment that he has created the "it is still an open issue" stance so he can bring another hammer down. Seems that Mangini check raised the commish...and now is going all in. Goodell will have to call. Who knows? We'll have to wait and see.

This would be much worse than Camera-gate and would make Kraft look like a jackass with his comments last night (which I'm sure he wouldn't be thrilled with). Definitely interesting.

 

[Wally Cleaver]

Interesting. I did get the sense watching all that last night that there may be more to come, but that could just be my acting up.btw, anyone who hasn't had enough self-righteousness in their life today should be sure to check out Bill Simmons' latest column.

After reading it, I wondered if I will even bother reading his stuff anymore.

 

[massraider]

Chris Landry was on the local sports radio show here last week and said that he wasn't surprised at what was going down.He also said that Belichick had asked him to do some questionable things when he was scouting for the Browns under BB. Landry didn't really elaborate but said that he refused at the time and told BB that if he needed him to do that then he needed a better scout because he obviously wasn't doing a very good job.One thing he did say that BB asked him to do was to go through the opposing teams garbage up in the coaches box after games looking for info. He said he refused to do that as well.

Jimmy Johnson said he used to go Dumpster-Diving as well.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I don't get the big deal about the defenders wearing mikes. I can hear all the signals of every QB on my home theater in perfect clarity. What could they possibly get from the QB that a million people watching the game couldn't?

Line calls.Of course I believe these could be picked up more effectively with microwave mikes.It would be more interesting to me to learn whether the defensive signal caller, usually the Mike L.B. but i don't know the Pats that well< had an ear piece so that coaches could communicate with him. Also I wonder if Brady's earpiece went dead on time was kept open.

 

[jonessed]

I don't get the big deal about the defenders wearing mikes. I can hear all the signals of every QB on my home theater in perfect clarity. What could they possibly get from the QB that a million people watching the game couldn't?

Line calls.Of course I believe these could be picked up more effectively with microwave mikes.It would be more interesting to me to learn whether the defensive signal caller, usually the Mike L.B. but i don't know the Pats that well< had an ear piece so that coaches could communicate with him. Also I wonder if Brady's earpiece went dead on time was kept open.

The extra frequencies would indicate one of these. That's the first thing that popped into my head when they brought it up around the camera-gate time. Catching them and then relaying the meaning back in real-time would be a nice advantage.

 

[twitch]

So now its illegal headsets/mics in the helmets of DEFENSIVE players?? Offensive players? both? are you guys serious?? are you kidding me? how friggin' ######ed are people???! a helmet that would be left laying around on the sidelines from time to time for perhaps some innnocent bystander to see? and with great players like Bruschil and Brady and the legend and legacies they will be leaving behind when their playing days are done? theyre throwing that all out the window to put a mic in their helmet and find out if the D is in cover 2 or the O is running the draw???! somebody, anybody, PUT THE PIPE DOWN! get a life. you are seriously living in a pretend world if you think that great HOF PEOPLE....because that's what guys like Brady and Bruschi are......they are hall of fame people....people you would be a better person for having known....had anything to do with micing their helmets up and cheating. That IS the new notion?!! Am I getting this correct? Richard Seymour? Willie McGinest? Youve got them pegged as an all-time cheat? GO TELL THEM!

Did you NOT witness the full blown beatdown last night, video and MIC free? How tarnished is that win?? How much evidence does anyone need that the controversy has already been blown beyond belief. Ive heard numerous former players and coaches all week say that while it was cheating, it is relative commonplace. We'll see what the Jets want to try and pursue, but Id say right now, at 0-2 themselves and looking extremely WEAK, they need to focus on their own problems. Clearly, teams dont need much outside help to beat them.

Radio frequencies? Mics and headsets? Cheating Hall of Fame players? Stealing audio? Guys, its football. If you want to join the KGB, move to Russia!! Read another John Grisham book and go take a nap. Allow investigations or rumors or BS 'stories' to play out. Leave it laying on the coach. If there are further punishments down the road on Belichick, so be it. he'll have it coming Im sure if the Commish sees fit. But radios and earpieces in helmets??? Brady, Bruschi, Troy Brown or other team captains with FUTURES beyond football at risk and with so much to lose ALL in on this grand conspiracy?? because that is what all of this suggests. take a vacation in Miami. Get away for a while. or move to Russia.

 

[The Gator]

I don't get the big deal about the defenders wearing mikes. I can hear all the signals of every QB on my home theater in perfect clarity. What could they possibly get from the QB that a million people watching the game couldn't?

Line calls.Of course I believe these could be picked up more effectively with microwave mikes.

It would be more interesting to me to learn whether the defensive signal caller, usually the Mike L.B. but i don't know the Pats that well< had an ear piece so that coaches could communicate with him. Also I wonder if Brady's earpiece went dead on time was kept open.

I don't think the team has control of when the headset is cut off. I believe it is regulated by a league official. Not sure on this, but I think I remember hearing this.

 

[jonessed]

I don't get the big deal about the defenders wearing mikes. I can hear all the signals of every QB on my home theater in perfect clarity. What could they possibly get from the QB that a million people watching the game couldn't?

Line calls.Of course I believe these could be picked up more effectively with microwave mikes.

It would be more interesting to me to learn whether the defensive signal caller, usually the Mike L.B. but i don't know the Pats that well< had an ear piece so that coaches could communicate with him. Also I wonder if Brady's earpiece went dead on time was kept open.

I don't think the team has control of when the headset is cut off. I believe it is regulated by a league official. Not sure on this, but I think I remember hearing this.

You could always open up another frequency that isn't regulated.

 

[flypro]

So now its illegal headsets/mics in the helmets of DEFENSIVE players?? Offensive players? both? are you guys serious?? are you kidding me? how friggin' ######ed are people???! a helmet that would be left laying around on the sidelines from time to time for perhaps some innnocent bystander to see? and with great players like Bruschil and Brady and the legend and legacies they will be leaving behind when their playing days are done? theyre throwing that all out the window to put a mic in their helmet and find out if the D is in cover 2 or the O is running the draw???! somebody, anybody, PUT THE PIPE DOWN! get a life. you are seriously living in a pretend world if you think that great HOF PEOPLE....because that's what guys like Brady and Bruschi are......they are hall of fame people....people you would be a better person for having known....had anything to do with micing their helmets up and cheating. That IS the new notion?!! Am I getting this correct? Richard Seymour? Willie McGinest? Youve got them pegged as an all-time cheat? GO TELL THEM!

Did you NOT witness the full blown beatdown last night, video and MIC free? How tarnished is that win?? How much evidence does anyone need that the controversy has already been blown beyond belief. Ive heard numerous former players and coaches all week say that while it was cheating, it is relative commonplace. We'll see what the Jets want to try and pursue, but Id say right now, at 0-2 themselves and looking extremely WEAK, they need to focus on their own problems. Clearly, teams dont need much outside help to beat them.

Radio frequencies? Mics and headsets? Cheating Hall of Fame players? Stealing audio? Guys, its football. If you want to join the KGB, move to Russia!! Read another John Grisham book and go take a nap. Allow investigations or rumors or BS 'stories' to play out. Leave it laying on the coach. If there are further punishments down the road on Belichick, so be it. he'll have it coming Im sure if the Commish sees fit. But radios and earpieces in helmets??? Brady, Bruschi, Troy Brown or other team captains with FUTURES beyond football at risk and with so much to lose ALL in on this grand conspiracy?? because that is what all of this suggests. take a vacation in Miami. Get away for a while. or move to Russia.

Bruschi is a Hall of Famer

I think we know who needs to put the pipe down

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I am naive I guess because I wouldn't have believed him being part of a scandal before......but I just don't believe they'd go as far as using communicating in the headsets. If they did do that, there will be some serious implications.

I wouldn't have thought he'd have done what he did, at least not after getting the warning from the league, and against an estranged former colleague who knows his dirty laundry.But between what we know definitely happened... and the sheer volume of suspicious stuff that has come out.... man, I don't know what to think now. I mean, the talk about how his cameramen going back to his Browns days acted suspicious, the talk about the extra radio frequencies (which I believe would mean they are talking to the QB after the signal is cut off, not adding radios to defensive player helmets), the taping incident at the Packers game where they said the cameraman was actually signaling to the coaches, the possible miking of his own players, the stuff about opposing team's headsets going out at Foxboro only during key drives...

At some point the knowledge he was willing to do what he did, and the volume of other stuff, makes me really wonder. Let's say that the absolute truth on everything that has gone on was going to come out. Full admission with full evidence. Would you make an even money bet that the video taping that was already caught was the only transgression (or intentional one anyway) as he apparently has claimed to the commish?

At this point, I don't think I'd take that bet.

The theory is that the defensive line was mic'd up and transmitting the QB's audible's etc. to the sideline. It was then analyzed and used for the 2nd half.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I don't get the big deal about the defenders wearing mikes. I can hear all the signals of every QB on my home theater in perfect clarity. What could they possibly get from the QB that a million people watching the game couldn't?

Line calls.Of course I believe these could be picked up more effectively with microwave mikes.

It would be more interesting to me to learn whether the defensive signal caller, usually the Mike L.B. but i don't know the Pats that well< had an ear piece so that coaches could communicate with him. Also I wonder if Brady's earpiece went dead on time was kept open.

I don't think the team has control of when the headset is cut off. I believe it is regulated by a league official. Not sure on this, but I think I remember hearing this.

Correct. The league turns it off as to the specified, authorized frequency. Is that the only frequency available? I do remember seeing a shot last night of frequency checkers from the NFL on the sidelines. I found that interesting.I personally don't think the Patriots have to cheat to compete at a very high level. I have, however, seen overly focused folks become blinded in their pursuit of their goals. Bellichecks personality seems ripe for such. I hope he did not fall into such folly. Time will tell.

 

[BassNBrew]

I don't get the big deal about the defenders wearing mikes. I can hear all the signals of every QB on my home theater in perfect clarity. What could they possibly get from the QB that a million people watching the game couldn't?

Line calls.Of course I believe these could be picked up more effectively with microwave mikes.

It would be more interesting to me to learn whether the defensive signal caller, usually the Mike L.B. but i don't know the Pats that well< had an ear piece so that coaches could communicate with him. Also I wonder if Brady's earpiece went dead on time was kept open.

I don't think the team has control of when the headset is cut off. I believe it is regulated by a league official. Not sure on this, but I think I remember hearing this.

You could always open up another frequency that isn't regulated.

And how would the Jets know about this unless they were messing around with "other frequencies"?

 

[jonessed]

I don't get the big deal about the defenders wearing mikes. I can hear all the signals of every QB on my home theater in perfect clarity. What could they possibly get from the QB that a million people watching the game couldn't?

Line calls.Of course I believe these could be picked up more effectively with microwave mikes.

It would be more interesting to me to learn whether the defensive signal caller, usually the Mike L.B. but i don't know the Pats that well< had an ear piece so that coaches could communicate with him. Also I wonder if Brady's earpiece went dead on time was kept open.

I don't think the team has control of when the headset is cut off. I believe it is regulated by a league official. Not sure on this, but I think I remember hearing this.

You could always open up another frequency that isn't regulated.

And how would the Jets know about this unless they were messing around with "other frequencies"?

The NFL has confirmed that there were extra frequencies in use by the Pats. I haven't heard that they had any evidence as to what they were being used for though.

 

[massraider]

I don't get the big deal about the defenders wearing mikes. I can hear all the signals of every QB on my home theater in perfect clarity. What could they possibly get from the QB that a million people watching the game couldn't?

Line calls.Of course I believe these could be picked up more effectively with microwave mikes.

It would be more interesting to me to learn whether the defensive signal caller, usually the Mike L.B. but i don't know the Pats that well< had an ear piece so that coaches could communicate with him. Also I wonder if Brady's earpiece went dead on time was kept open.

I don't think the team has control of when the headset is cut off. I believe it is regulated by a league official. Not sure on this, but I think I remember hearing this.

You could always open up another frequency that isn't regulated.

And how would the Jets know about this unless they were messing around with "other frequencies"?

One answer is because they have former employees of the Pats on their staff.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Let me begin by saying I am a Dolphins Fan, which means by default I am not a BB apologist. They were caught, they should be punished.

But am I the only one who thinks Mangini looks like a punk? From everything I have read and heard this is a fairly common practice and when someone is "caught" by an opposing team they self police it. Last year when Green Bay caught the Pats they didn't turn them in, they just made them stop. From all of the analysts comments it has always gone on and the teams took care of it when discovered.

The Jets going to the commish about this just somehow reminds me of one of my kids tattling on another for something minor like swearing. I really wonder if he has stepped over some line among the other coaches, and if it will ultimately be detrimental to his career.

I guess I would feel better about the whole thing if the NFL had caught him, not a peer. Only because it seems like there is an unspoken rule among coaches regarding this practice.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I don't get the big deal about the defenders wearing mikes. I can hear all the signals of every QB on my home theater in perfect clarity. What could they possibly get from the QB that a million people watching the game couldn't?

Line calls.Of course I believe these could be picked up more effectively with microwave mikes.

It would be more interesting to me to learn whether the defensive signal caller, usually the Mike L.B. but i don't know the Pats that well< had an ear piece so that coaches could communicate with him. Also I wonder if Brady's earpiece went dead on time was kept open.

I don't think the team has control of when the headset is cut off. I believe it is regulated by a league official. Not sure on this, but I think I remember hearing this.

You could always open up another frequency that isn't regulated.

And how would the Jets know about this unless they were messing around with "other frequencies"?

The NFL has confirmed that there were extra frequencies in use by the Pats. I haven't heard that they had any evidence as to what they were being used for though.

One speculation I heard was that they were micing a player to record the calls made at the line.

 

[shaunmzs]

So now its illegal headsets/mics in the helmets of DEFENSIVE players?? Offensive players? both? are you guys serious?? are you kidding me? how friggin' ######ed are people???! a helmet that would be left laying around on the sidelines from time to time for perhaps some innnocent bystander to see? and with great players like Bruschil and Brady and the legend and legacies they will be leaving behind when their playing days are done? theyre throwing that all out the window to put a mic in their helmet and find out if the D is in cover 2 or the O is running the draw???! somebody, anybody, PUT THE PIPE DOWN! get a life. you are seriously living in a pretend world if you think that great HOF PEOPLE....because that's what guys like Brady and Bruschi are......they are hall of fame people....people you would be a better person for having known....had anything to do with micing their helmets up and cheating. That IS the new notion?!! Am I getting this correct? Richard Seymour? Willie McGinest? Youve got them pegged as an all-time cheat? GO TELL THEM!

Did you NOT witness the full blown beatdown last night, video and MIC free? How tarnished is that win?? How much evidence does anyone need that the controversy has already been blown beyond belief. Ive heard numerous former players and coaches all week say that while it was cheating, it is relative commonplace. We'll see what the Jets want to try and pursue, but Id say right now, at 0-2 themselves and looking extremely WEAK, they need to focus on their own problems. Clearly, teams dont need much outside help to beat them.

Radio frequencies? Mics and headsets? Cheating Hall of Fame players? Stealing audio? Guys, its football. If you want to join the KGB, move to Russia!! Read another John Grisham book and go take a nap. Allow investigations or rumors or BS 'stories' to play out. Leave it laying on the coach. If there are further punishments down the road on Belichick, so be it. he'll have it coming Im sure if the Commish sees fit. But radios and earpieces in helmets??? Brady, Bruschi, Troy Brown or other team captains with FUTURES beyond football at risk and with so much to lose ALL in on this grand conspiracy?? because that is what all of this suggests. take a vacation in Miami. Get away for a while. or move to Russia.

You make it sound as if NFL players are a bunch of road scholars. Mike Vick ring a bell?

 

[jonessed]

Let me begin by saying I am a Dolphins Fan, which means by default I am not a BB apologist. They were caught, they should be punished.But am I the only one who thinks Mangini looks like a punk? From everything I have read and heard this is a fairly common practice and when someone is "caught" by an opposing team they self police it. Last year when Green Bay caught the Pats they didn't turn them in, they just made them stop. From all of the analysts comments it has always gone on and the teams took care of it when discovered.The Jets going to the commish about this just somehow reminds me of one of my kids tattling on another for something minor like swearing. I really wonder if he has stepped over some line among the other coaches, and if it will ultimately be detrimental to his career.I guess I would feel better about the whole thing if the NFL had caught him, not a peer. Only because it seems like there is an unspoken rule among coaches regarding this practice.

I have yet to hear of another team videotaping signals. If it happens all the time then there shouldn't be a problem identifying one other team.Does Mangini look like a punk? BB was cheating and knew that Mangini knew he was cheating, but did it anyway. I would have given him up just for being a complete idiot (or that arrogant I suppose).

 

[j3r3m3y]

You make it sound as if NFL players are a bunch of road scholars. Mike Vick ring a bell?

Steve Young?There are some very intelligent people in the NFL.

 

[Ten Yard Fight]

So now its illegal headsets/mics in the helmets of DEFENSIVE players?? Offensive players? both? are you guys serious?? are you kidding me? how friggin' ######ed are people???! a helmet that would be left laying around on the sidelines from time to time for perhaps some innnocent bystander to see? and with great players like Bruschil and Brady and the legend and legacies they will be leaving behind when their playing days are done? theyre throwing that all out the window to put a mic in their helmet and find out if the D is in cover 2 or the O is running the draw???! somebody, anybody, PUT THE PIPE DOWN! get a life. you are seriously living in a pretend world if you think that great HOF PEOPLE....because that's what guys like Brady and Bruschi are......they are hall of fame people....people you would be a better person for having known....had anything to do with micing their helmets up and cheating. That IS the new notion?!! Am I getting this correct? Richard Seymour? Willie McGinest? Youve got them pegged as an all-time cheat? GO TELL THEM!

Did you NOT witness the full blown beatdown last night, video and MIC free? How tarnished is that win?? How much evidence does anyone need that the controversy has already been blown beyond belief. Ive heard numerous former players and coaches all week say that while it was cheating, it is relative commonplace. We'll see what the Jets want to try and pursue, but Id say right now, at 0-2 themselves and looking extremely WEAK, they need to focus on their own problems. Clearly, teams dont need much outside help to beat them.

Radio frequencies? Mics and headsets? Cheating Hall of Fame players? Stealing audio? Guys, its football. If you want to join the KGB, move to Russia!! Read another John Grisham book and go take a nap. Allow investigations or rumors or BS 'stories' to play out. Leave it laying on the coach. If there are further punishments down the road on Belichick, so be it. he'll have it coming Im sure if the Commish sees fit. But radios and earpieces in helmets??? Brady, Bruschi, Troy Brown or other team captains with FUTURES beyond football at risk and with so much to lose ALL in on this grand conspiracy?? because that is what all of this suggests. take a vacation in Miami. Get away for a while. or move to Russia.

You make it sound as if NFL players are a bunch of road scholars. Mike Vick ring a bell?

Yeah, and couldn't the same argument be made to say that no future hall of famer would ever take steroids?

 

[j3r3m3y]

I have yet to hear of another team videotaping signals.

According to Jimmie Johnson and Barry Switzer it happens all the time, they admitted to doing it on yesterdays pre-game show.

 

[jonessed]

I have yet to hear of another team videotaping signals.

According to Jimmie Johnson and Barry Switzer it happens all the time, they admitted to doing it on yesterdays pre-game show.

Stealing signals or having someone videotape them? If it is really that common then someone I am sure will out another team here shortly.

 

[massraider]

Let me begin by saying I am a Dolphins Fan, which means by default I am not a BB apologist. They were caught, they should be punished.But am I the only one who thinks Mangini looks like a punk? From everything I have read and heard this is a fairly common practice and when someone is "caught" by an opposing team they self police it. Last year when Green Bay caught the Pats they didn't turn them in, they just made them stop. From all of the analysts comments it has always gone on and the teams took care of it when discovered.The Jets going to the commish about this just somehow reminds me of one of my kids tattling on another for something minor like swearing. I really wonder if he has stepped over some line among the other coaches, and if it will ultimately be detrimental to his career.I guess I would feel better about the whole thing if the NFL had caught him, not a peer. Only because it seems like there is an unspoken rule among coaches regarding this practice.

I think the fact that no coaches have rushed to BB's defense, and in fact many have thrown him under the bus, tells us that this practice may not be all that common.As far as the code of silence if you suspect the other team of cheating, alert NFL security. These guys are trying to win games. Code of silence? Mangini is a guy with a job, he's not the last of the Samurai.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Let me begin by saying I am a Dolphins Fan, which means by default I am not a BB apologist. They were caught, they should be punished.But am I the only one who thinks Mangini looks like a punk? From everything I have read and heard this is a fairly common practice and when someone is "caught" by an opposing team they self police it. Last year when Green Bay caught the Pats they didn't turn them in, they just made them stop. From all of the analysts comments it has always gone on and the teams took care of it when discovered.The Jets going to the commish about this just somehow reminds me of one of my kids tattling on another for something minor like swearing. I really wonder if he has stepped over some line among the other coaches, and if it will ultimately be detrimental to his career.I guess I would feel better about the whole thing if the NFL had caught him, not a peer. Only because it seems like there is an unspoken rule among coaches regarding this practice.

I think the fact that no coaches have rushed to BB's defense, and in fact many have thrown him under the bus, tells us that this practice may not be all that common.As far as the code of silence if you suspect the other team of cheating, alert NFL security. These guys are trying to win games. Code of silence? Mangini is a guy with a job, he's not the last of the Samurai.

You don't have to be a Samurai to offer what is known in many fields as professional courtesy. Like I said, they were caught last year and no one said a word about it. Don't get me wrong, I am not advocating cheating. And you are right, several people have thrown him under the bus. But the fact that no one is defending him is not surprising, you would have to be a fool to try and defend him publicly. The fact that no one is speaking up for the one being lynched does not mean everyone else has clean hands.

 

[twitch]

So now its illegal headsets/mics in the helmets of DEFENSIVE players?? Offensive players? both? are you guys serious?? are you kidding me? how friggin' ######ed are people???! a helmet that would be left laying around on the sidelines from time to time for perhaps some innnocent bystander to see? and with great players like Bruschil and Brady and the legend and legacies they will be leaving behind when their playing days are done? theyre throwing that all out the window to put a mic in their helmet and find out if the D is in cover 2 or the O is running the draw???! somebody, anybody, PUT THE PIPE DOWN! get a life. you are seriously living in a pretend world if you think that great HOF PEOPLE....because that's what guys like Brady and Bruschi are......they are hall of fame people....people you would be a better person for having known....had anything to do with micing their helmets up and cheating. That IS the new notion?!! Am I getting this correct? Richard Seymour? Willie McGinest? Youve got them pegged as an all-time cheat? GO TELL THEM!

Did you NOT witness the full blown beatdown last night, video and MIC free? How tarnished is that win?? How much evidence does anyone need that the controversy has already been blown beyond belief. Ive heard numerous former players and coaches all week say that while it was cheating, it is relative commonplace. We'll see what the Jets want to try and pursue, but Id say right now, at 0-2 themselves and looking extremely WEAK, they need to focus on their own problems. Clearly, teams dont need much outside help to beat them.

Radio frequencies? Mics and headsets? Cheating Hall of Fame players? Stealing audio? Guys, its football. If you want to join the KGB, move to Russia!! Read another John Grisham book and go take a nap. Allow investigations or rumors or BS 'stories' to play out. Leave it laying on the coach. If there are further punishments down the road on Belichick, so be it. he'll have it coming Im sure if the Commish sees fit. But radios and earpieces in helmets??? Brady, Bruschi, Troy Brown or other team captains with FUTURES beyond football at risk and with so much to lose ALL in on this grand conspiracy?? because that is what all of this suggests. take a vacation in Miami. Get away for a while. or move to Russia.

You make it sound as if NFL players are a bunch of road scholars. Mike Vick ring a bell?

Yeah, and couldn't the same argument be made to say that no future hall of famer would ever take steroids?

not really. any individual player can roid up anytime they want in the privacy of their own home, and not drag dozens of other people in on it. and if that individual gets caught, he will himself pay the price. one vs many. Im not seeing it.

 

[GregR_2]

Let me begin by saying I am a Dolphins Fan, which means by default I am not a BB apologist. They were caught, they should be punished.But am I the only one who thinks Mangini looks like a punk? From everything I have read and heard this is a fairly common practice and when someone is "caught" by an opposing team they self police it. Last year when Green Bay caught the Pats they didn't turn them in, they just made them stop. From all of the analysts comments it has always gone on and the teams took care of it when discovered.The Jets going to the commish about this just somehow reminds me of one of my kids tattling on another for something minor like swearing. I really wonder if he has stepped over some line among the other coaches, and if it will ultimately be detrimental to his career.I guess I would feel better about the whole thing if the NFL had caught him, not a peer. Only because it seems like there is an unspoken rule among coaches regarding this practice.

Had to think about how to say this to express it accurately.I think less of Mangini and Belichick both for having acted like prima donnas over Mangini's leaving to coach the Jets and everything that has ensued since. As this incident falls more than partially within that soap opera, yes it makes me think slightly less of Mangini. Because it seemed done out of spite more than anything else is what makes me think less of him, the same as the other crap that has gone on between them.Now if this was... I don't know... pick some head coach with no connection to BB. Lane Kiffin or if he doesn't fit, someone else with no connection, no past rivalry, no bone to pick. If such a person had turned him in because it's cheating and illegal, I don't think I would have thought any worse of him for it. Anymore than I would think poorly of an NHL coach for having the ref check a goalie stick, or an MLB coach for having a ref check a bat he suspected to be corked.Now whether it hurts Mangini in NFL circles, I can't really say. I'm sure there will be some people that it might, and I'm sure there are some others who were happy to see it happen and so it wouldn't hurt Mangini in their eyes.

 

[twitch]

So now its illegal headsets/mics in the helmets of DEFENSIVE players?? Offensive players? both? are you guys serious?? are you kidding me? how friggin' ######ed are people???! a helmet that would be left laying around on the sidelines from time to time for perhaps some innnocent bystander to see? and with great players like Bruschil and Brady and the legend and legacies they will be leaving behind when their playing days are done? theyre throwing that all out the window to put a mic in their helmet and find out if the D is in cover 2 or the O is running the draw???! somebody, anybody, PUT THE PIPE DOWN! get a life. you are seriously living in a pretend world if you think that great HOF PEOPLE....because that's what guys like Brady and Bruschi are......they are hall of fame people....people you would be a better person for having known....had anything to do with micing their helmets up and cheating. That IS the new notion?!! Am I getting this correct? Richard Seymour? Willie McGinest? Youve got them pegged as an all-time cheat? GO TELL THEM!

Did you NOT witness the full blown beatdown last night, video and MIC free? How tarnished is that win?? How much evidence does anyone need that the controversy has already been blown beyond belief. Ive heard numerous former players and coaches all week say that while it was cheating, it is relative commonplace. We'll see what the Jets want to try and pursue, but Id say right now, at 0-2 themselves and looking extremely WEAK, they need to focus on their own problems. Clearly, teams dont need much outside help to beat them.

Radio frequencies? Mics and headsets? Cheating Hall of Fame players? Stealing audio? Guys, its football. If you want to join the KGB, move to Russia!! Read another John Grisham book and go take a nap. Allow investigations or rumors or BS 'stories' to play out. Leave it laying on the coach. If there are further punishments down the road on Belichick, so be it. he'll have it coming Im sure if the Commish sees fit. But radios and earpieces in helmets??? Brady, Bruschi, Troy Brown or other team captains with FUTURES beyond football at risk and with so much to lose ALL in on this grand conspiracy?? because that is what all of this suggests. take a vacation in Miami. Get away for a while. or move to Russia.

You make it sound as if NFL players are a bunch of road scholars. Mike Vick ring a bell?

nice Mike Vick reference. give it up.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I think less of Mangini and Belichick both for having acted like prima donnas over Mangini's leaving to coach the Jets and everything that has ensued since. As this incident falls more than partially within that soap opera, yes it makes me think slightly less of Mangini. Because it seemed done out of spite more than anything else is what makes me think less of him, the same as the other crap that has gone on between them.

That is well said, maybe that's part of why it is bugging me as well. The whole drama just seems so petty.

 

[twitch]

So now its illegal headsets/mics in the helmets of DEFENSIVE players?? Offensive players? both? are you guys serious?? are you kidding me? how friggin' ######ed are people???! a helmet that would be left laying around on the sidelines from time to time for perhaps some innnocent bystander to see? and with great players like Bruschil and Brady and the legend and legacies they will be leaving behind when their playing days are done? theyre throwing that all out the window to put a mic in their helmet and find out if the D is in cover 2 or the O is running the draw???! somebody, anybody, PUT THE PIPE DOWN! get a life. you are seriously living in a pretend world if you think that great HOF PEOPLE....because that's what guys like Brady and Bruschi are......they are hall of fame people....people you would be a better person for having known....had anything to do with micing their helmets up and cheating. That IS the new notion?!! Am I getting this correct? Richard Seymour? Willie McGinest? Youve got them pegged as an all-time cheat? GO TELL THEM!

Did you NOT witness the full blown beatdown last night, video and MIC free? How tarnished is that win?? How much evidence does anyone need that the controversy has already been blown beyond belief. Ive heard numerous former players and coaches all week say that while it was cheating, it is relative commonplace. We'll see what the Jets want to try and pursue, but Id say right now, at 0-2 themselves and looking extremely WEAK, they need to focus on their own problems. Clearly, teams dont need much outside help to beat them.

Radio frequencies? Mics and headsets? Cheating Hall of Fame players? Stealing audio? Guys, its football. If you want to join the KGB, move to Russia!! Read another John Grisham book and go take a nap. Allow investigations or rumors or BS 'stories' to play out. Leave it laying on the coach. If there are further punishments down the road on Belichick, so be it. he'll have it coming Im sure if the Commish sees fit. But radios and earpieces in helmets??? Brady, Bruschi, Troy Brown or other team captains with FUTURES beyond football at risk and with so much to lose ALL in on this grand conspiracy?? because that is what all of this suggests. take a vacation in Miami. Get away for a while. or move to Russia.

Bruschi is a Hall of Famer

I think we know who needs to put the pipe down

hall of fame people. I didnt say he was HOF bound, but Im sure his peers will judge his playing significance when his days are over. Id say being a stalwart MLB leader for his entire career on a team with 3 and potentially more titles will not be a bad resume, though. read more carefully if youre gonna come back with the pipe reference.

 

[jonessed]

I think less of Mangini and Belichick both for having acted like prima donnas over Mangini's leaving to coach the Jets and everything that has ensued since. As this incident falls more than partially within that soap opera, yes it makes me think slightly less of Mangini. Because it seemed done out of spite more than anything else is what makes me think less of him, the same as the other crap that has gone on between them.

That is well said, maybe that's part of why it is bugging me as well. The whole drama just seems so petty.

What was Mangini supposed to do? BB was basically daring Mangini to call him out. You know I cheat, and you know how I cheat, but I'm going to go to your home stadium on opening day and cheat right in front of you anyway.

 

[massraider]

But the fact that no one is defending him is not surprising, you would have to be a fool to try and defend him publicly. The fact that no one is speaking up for the one being lynched does not mean everyone else has clean hands.

And I'm not saying that. But if Mangini was violating some sort of unspoken code, it's a dumb code. And this code isn't coming from the coaches, not from what I've heard.If I am a head coach in the NFL, and my job security, my livelihood, is reliant on winning games, and the other team is trying to unlevel the playing field, I am going to make them stop. Period. This isn't 2nd grade, where the offense that tattle-tales report are insignificant. This is big business.If I knew that Lane Kiffin was aware the Broncos were illegally stealing signals, but wasn't doing anything about it because of some unspoken code of silence, and perhaps put the Raiders at a disadvantage, I would scream for his firing every day till he was gone.Jets fans have gone from a coach (Herm), that thought it was no big deal, to a coach that has seen fit to make it stop. And in the process cost the Pats a 1st round pick. If I was a Jets fan, I'll take the squealer.One fantastic benifit to this is that it has made Jets/Pats must-see TV for me as long as Mangini and BB are there. Divisional bad blood is good stuff.

 

[twitch]

I think less of Mangini and Belichick both for having acted like prima donnas over Mangini's leaving to coach the Jets and everything that has ensued since. As this incident falls more than partially within that soap opera, yes it makes me think slightly less of Mangini. Because it seemed done out of spite more than anything else is what makes me think less of him, the same as the other crap that has gone on between them.

That is well said, maybe that's part of why it is bugging me as well. The whole drama just seems so petty.

I really dont buy so much of the stories about these 2 guys and their drama. These are NFL head coaches. Busy guys with alot to do, with many far more important things to worry about then soap operas. They dont have time to get caught up in meaningless issues like this. just a bunch about nothing. nice little TV drama when the teams square off. actual significance? not much.

 

[massraider]

I think less of Mangini and Belichick both for having acted like prima donnas over Mangini's leaving to coach the Jets and everything that has ensued since. As this incident falls more than partially within that soap opera, yes it makes me think slightly less of Mangini. Because it seemed done out of spite more than anything else is what makes me think less of him, the same as the other crap that has gone on between them.

That is well said, maybe that's part of why it is bugging me as well. The whole drama just seems so petty.

I really dont buy so much of the stories about these 2 guys and their drama. These are NFL head coaches. Busy guys with alot to do, with many far more important things to worry about then soap operas. They dont have time to get caught up in meaningless issues like this. just a bunch about nothing. nice little TV drama when the teams square off. actual significance? not much.

Wow. Strongly disagree there. These guys are still human.

 

[David Yudkin]

I think the fact that no coaches have rushed to BB's defense, and in fact many have thrown him under the bus, tells us that this practice may not be all that common.

What current NFL coach in their right mind would come out and say, "Sure, we do this all the time. Heck, we do stuff way worse than that!"No current player or coach could hint at anything without getting slammed by the league, which is why we are only seeing former coaches and players discussing this as commonplace.

 

[jonessed]

I think the fact that no coaches have rushed to BB's defense, and in fact many have thrown him under the bus, tells us that this practice may not be all that common.

What current NFL coach in their right mind would come out and say, "Sure, we do this all the time. Heck, we do stuff way worse than that!"No current player or coach could hint at anything without getting slammed by the league, which is why we are only seeing former coaches and players discussing this as commonplace.

It's not like BB outed himself.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I think the fact that no coaches have rushed to BB's defense, and in fact many have thrown him under the bus, tells us that this practice may not be all that common.

What current NFL coach in their right mind would come out and say, "Sure, we do this all the time. Heck, we do stuff way worse than that!"No current player or coach could hint at anything without getting slammed by the league, which is why we are only seeing former coaches and players discussing this as commonplace.

Exactly.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I think the fact that no coaches have rushed to BB's defense, and in fact many have thrown him under the bus, tells us that this practice may not be all that common.

What current NFL coach in their right mind would come out and say, "Sure, we do this all the time. Heck, we do stuff way worse than that!"No current player or coach could hint at anything without getting slammed by the league, which is why we are only seeing former coaches and players discussing this as commonplace.

It's not like BB outed himself.

And it isn't like EVERY coach is publicly criticizing him either.