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Beef Ravioli

Beef Ravioli

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Never been accept for passing through. Going to be going through again in a couple of weeks and would like to stay the night and enjoy some part of the city. It’s going to be a Monday late afternoon/evening when we arrive and we will leave on Tuesday morning. So maybe a nice restaurant would be about all we could fit in. Any suggestions or insider information would be greatly appreciated! 

 
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Beef Ravioli said:
Never been accept for passing through. Going to be going through again in a couple of weeks and would like to stay the night and enjoy some part of the city. It’s going to be a Monday late afternoon/evening when we arrive and we will leave on Tuesday morning. So maybe a nice restaurant would be about all we could fit in. Any suggestions or insider information would be greatly appreciated! 
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Where are you staying? Transportation? What do you like?

 
I can stay wherever we want. I will be driving my car. We like nice restaurants but would prefer to stay away from the chains (Ruth Chris, Morton’s, etc) as I have them all around me here in Cbus. 

What about Benton Park? Saw a restaurant review that looked interesting. Can’t remember the restaurants name. Several Airbnb’s available in Benton Park. 

Wide open for your suggestions! 

Edit to add, the restaurant in Benton Park was Sidney Street Cafe but they are closed on Monday’s.

 
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Good luck with your decision!

In Clayton:

Oceano Bistro, Cafe Napoli, 801 Fish  -- all really good fine dining, reasonably priced but not cheap

Other places to consider:

Urban Chestnut microbrewery (Midtown), Pappy's Smokehouse (downtown), Guerrilla Street Food (best value, but not fine dining, 3 locations, one close to Clayton), Salt and Smoke (I've never been there, but I've heard great things), Seoul Taco (good value, it is a franchise), Blackthorn Pub and Pizza (deep dish is awesome, I'm from Chicago and it's better than what I get in Chicago), MIssion Taco, Sauce on the Side

Annie Gunn's is rated high and ok, but extremely expensive.

Seven Gables is nice (not a five star, but nice and clean) as a hotel and close to most places to eat and drink in Clayton so you don't have to drive.

 
makoman said:
Good luck with your decision!

In Clayton:

Oceano Bistro, Cafe Napoli, 801 Fish  -- all really good fine dining, reasonably priced but not cheap

Other places to consider:

Urban Chestnut microbrewery (Midtown), Pappy's Smokehouse (downtown), Guerrilla Street Food (best value, but not fine dining, 3 locations, one close to Clayton), Salt and Smoke (I've never been there, but I've heard great things), Seoul Taco (good value, it is a franchise), Blackthorn Pub and Pizza (deep dish is awesome, I'm from Chicago and it's better than what I get in Chicago), MIssion Taco, Sauce on the Side

Annie Gunn's is rated high and ok, but extremely expensive.

Seven Gables is nice (not a five star, but nice and clean) as a hotel and close to most places to eat and drink in Clayton so you don't have to drive.
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If you had to choose one area to stay in based on your best place to eat, what would it be? 

 
Beef Ravioli said:
If you had to choose one area to stay in based on your best place to eat, what would it be? 
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My favorite for fine dining is Oceano Bistro, but I like the fresh fish there, so I guess it's Clayton.  Good beer as well, but there are bars close for before or after.

 
Clayton is not cheap, but a lot of good places around there.  

Lot of good restaurants on The Hill and in the U-City Loop as well. 

Definitely some good places in Soulard, but don't veer too far from there if you walk around and whatnot. 

Avoid East St Louis and North St Louis like the plague. 

 
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Just ate at Sydney Street weekend before last. It had been a while. We were kicking ourselves for waiting for so long. Soooooooo good.

Finding fine dining open on Mondays is going to be hard. 

 
Clayton is nice and has some good restaurants (another vote for Oceano for a great meal) but it's more of a business district and doesn't have much else to offer as far as being enjoyable to walk around, etc.

I would consider the Central West End as it has a nicer look to it and similarly has some restaurants there to eat.  It's relatively close to the Loop as well and another vote for Salt+Smoke for BBQ that's located in the Loop.  If you do end up in the Central West End, make your way to the St. Louis Cathedral Basilica.  Absolutely breathtaking church that looks like it belongs in Europe. 

Some restaurants in CWE -- Brasserie, Wildflower, and Taste are solid options.

 
Thanks guys! I know nice restaurants may be closed on a Monday but that’s when the calendar has me passing through. We may end up at a Taco Bell? 

 
Beef Ravioli said:
Thanks guys! I know nice restaurants may be closed on a Monday but that’s when the calendar has me passing through. We may end up at a Taco Bell? 
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Nah, there's plenty of good options open on Monday.  Do you have the whole day?  Anything else you're interested in doing/seeing? 

 
gianmarco said:
Nah, there's plenty of good options open on Monday.  Do you have the whole day?  Anything else you're interested in doing/seeing? 
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Yeah, I was checking out the restaurants and we will be fine with finding something. 

I won’t be rolling in till late afternoon so probably not real worried about finding something to do other than a great meal at a nice place.

I found some decent Airbnb’s over in the Clayton area. I will have my car. Would you recommend driving over to CWE at one of the places you mentioned if we want to take a walk or just head to one of the restaurants in Clayton? 

Thanks again for your help! Wish we could get there earlier and see some things but it is what it is. 

Edit to add: my wife loves a great steak. If you had a recommendation for that, that would be great!

 
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Beef Ravioli said:
Yeah, I was checking out the restaurants and we will be fine with finding something. 

I won’t be rolling in till late afternoon so probably not real worried about finding something to do other than a great meal at a nice place.

I found some decent Airbnb’s over in the Clayton area. I will have my car. Would you recommend driving over to CWE at one of the places you mentioned if we want to take a walk or just head to one of the restaurants in Clayton? 

Thanks again for your help! Wish we could get there earlier and see some things but it is what it is. 

Edit to add: my wife loves a great steak. If you had a recommendation for that, that would be great!
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Nah, if you are staying in Clayton, I'd eat there. Oceano is great, and while it's a seafood restaurant, you can get a good filet there as well.

I've heard great things about 801 Chophouse. And another restaurant I like that will serve a good steak and overall great meal is 1111 Mississippi. It's about a 15 minute drive from Clayton and then you can take a quick drive around downtown then head back to Clayton.

Take a look at a few of those and see what interests. Of note, I'm only a couple minutes away from Clayton so let me know if any other questions.

 
gianmarco said:
Nah, if you are staying in Clayton, I'd eat there. Oceano is great, and while it's a seafood restaurant, you can get a good filet there as well.

I've heard great things about 801 Chophouse. And another restaurant I like that will serve a good steak and overall great meal is 1111 Mississippi. It's about a 15 minute drive from Clayton and then you can take a quick drive around downtown then head back to Clayton.

Take a look at a few of those and see what interests. Of note, I'm only a couple minutes away from Clayton so let me know if any other questions.
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This is awesome help! I will let you know what we end up with. 

 
gianmarco said:
Nah, if you are staying in Clayton, I'd eat there. Oceano is great, and while it's a seafood restaurant, you can get a good filet there as well.

I've heard great things about 801 Chophouse. And another restaurant I like that will serve a good steak and overall great meal is 1111 Mississippi. It's about a 15 minute drive from Clayton and then you can take a quick drive around downtown then head back to Clayton.

Take a look at a few of those and see what interests. Of note, I'm only a couple minutes away from Clayton so let me know if any other questions.
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I ate at the Chophouse once. The steak was not good. I'd heard great things and continue to do so, but my one experience there was not good, so I have chalked it up to my experience being the outlier. 801 Fish across the street was stellar. Took 8 people there last fall and everything was out of this world. 

1111 Mississippi is really good. Been a few times. 

As for steak, it's going to sound nuts, but 1904 Steak House at River City Casino. They make an amazing steak and their pastry chef is outstanding

If I'm eating in Clayton, there's one place at the top of my list. Bar Les Freres.

 
@TheFanatic & @gianmarco my Airbnb in Clayton fell through. Looking at a new place that on the map is near Olive Blvd in between Delmar Blvd and Page Ave near Heman Park. Looks like a neighborhood of University City.

Do you know the area? Not very far from Clayton but I know just a few blocks can make a difference here in Cbus. 

Thanks for all the information you have shared! 

 
TheFanatic said:
I ate at the Chophouse once. The steak was not good. I'd heard great things and continue to do so, but my one experience there was not good, so I have chalked it up to my experience being the outlier. 801 Fish across the street was stellar. Took 8 people there last fall and everything was out of this world. 

1111 Mississippi is really good. Been a few times. 

As for steak, it's going to sound nuts, but 1904 Steak House at River City Casino. They make an amazing steak and their pastry chef is outstanding

If I'm eating in Clayton, there's one place at the top of my list. Bar Les Freres.
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Bar Les Freres closed on Monday’s 

 
Beef Ravioli said:
@TheFanatic & @gianmarco my Airbnb in Clayton fell through. Looking at a new place that on the map is near Olive Blvd in between Delmar Blvd and Page Ave near Heman Park. Looks like a neighborhood of University City.

Do you know the area? Not very far from Clayton but I know just a few blocks can make a difference here in Cbus. 

Thanks for all the information you have shared! 
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No, I wouldn't stay in that area.

 
Plans are solidifying a bit. Looks like we are going to get out of town a bit earlier than I thought and with the hour we gain, we could be at the arch between 2&3 local time. Wife wants to walk around a bit in that area. Any suggestions of things to see/do in and around the arch? 

 
Beef Ravioli said:
Plans are solidifying a bit. Looks like we are going to get out of town a bit earlier than I thought and with the hour we gain, we could be at the arch between 2&3 local time. Wife wants to walk around a bit in that area. Any suggestions of things to see/do in and around the arch? 
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The arch has a museum underneath that's was just redone. The City Museum is really cool, but a bit of a hike on foot depending on your level of fitness. 

Oh, and big bummer on Bar Les Freres. It was soooooo good. 

 
TheFanatic said:
The arch has a museum underneath that's was just redone. The City Museum is really cool, but a bit of a hike on foot depending on your level of fitness. 

Oh, and big bummer on Bar Les Freres. It was soooooo good. 
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Would you think the arch museum is worth the visit? Museums are not normally the top of our list but we have enjoyed several (holocaust, Ellis Iland, Liberty Island were our tops) and are open to this. 

We are thinking about the top of the arch and river cruise???

 
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Beef Ravioli said:
Would you think the arch museum is worth the visit? Museums are not normally the top of our list but we have enjoyed several (holocaust, Ellis Iland, Liberty Island were our tops) and are open to this. 

We are thinking about the top of the arch and river cruise???
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That I can't help you with. I barely remember the old museum before they redid it. I can also barely remember the river cruise. Check out the City Museum. Not just for kids. 

 
Update: The original place I was targeting to stay (near Clayton) fell through and I began searching for more options. Ended up downtown at the Hilton right next to the ballpark. Very cool area! 

We got in later than I had hoped and it was colder than we were thinking it would be. We walked down to the arch but there were not any more trams running today. We have tickets for tomorrow morning.

Because of the temps and how late we got in, we chose a restaurant based more on convenience rather than our first choice. We went to Carmine’s Steakhouse. It was pretty good. Our steak was on par with what I would get at Ruth Chris or Morton’s.

We don’t have much time tomorrow to explore after we do the arch but we definitely would like to come back sometime, preferably for a baseball game!!! It looks like an amazing area where we are staying! 

 
Beef Ravioli said:
Update: The original place I was targeting to stay (near Clayton) fell through and I began searching for more options. Ended up downtown at the Hilton right next to the ballpark. Very cool area! 

We got in later than I had hoped and it was colder than we were thinking it would be. We walked down to the arch but there were not any more trams running today. We have tickets for tomorrow morning.

Because of the temps and how late we got in, we chose a restaurant based more on convenience rather than our first choice. We went to Carmine’s Steakhouse. It was pretty good. Our steak was on par with what I would get at Ruth Chris or Morton’s.

We don’t have much time tomorrow to explore after we do the arch but we definitely would like to come back sometime, preferably for a baseball game!!! It looks like an amazing area where we are staying! 
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I've parked at Carmine's before but never actually eaten there. I can't think of anyone who has eaten there besides you. How was it priced?

Oh, and sorry about the cold weather. It went from high 80's to the 40's overnight last week and has not turned back. I had a fire in the fireplace yesterday!

 
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The following information is  helpful for getting around town:

  1. There are 75 “unofficial neighborhoods” in the City of St. Louis . St. Louisians commonly give directions–especially for restaurants—to strangers based on these neighborhoods, which aren’t marked on any maps that are handed out by the tourist board, the AAA or Map Quest.
  2. There are 54 school districts–on the Missouri side alone–each of which has their own school bus system with scheduled times to block traffic.
  3. There are 91 official municipalities in St. Louis County . Each municipality has its own rules and regulations, and often their own police departments.
  4. More importantly, most have their own snow removal contracts so it’s not uncommon to drive down a road in winter and have one block plowed, the next salted, the next piled with snow and the last partially cleared by residents wanting to get out of their driveways.
  5. Snow plowing is never a problem in the City of St. Louis . They plow nothing, and if the forecast calls for snow, they close everything. Exception “The Hill” (refer to #1 above) where each homeowner goes out to the street and shovels out one car-sized rectangle and then stands watch over it.
  6. Any car parked longer than 4 hours on the street in the city is considered a parts store.
  7. The City of Ballwin actually proposed that drivers use connecting strip mall parking lots to get from place to place rather than drive on Manchester Road to cut the traffic on Manchester (And for good reason. There is a stoplight at every intersection on Manchester ).
  8. Laclede Station Road , McCausland, Lindbergh, Watson, Reavis Barracks, Fee Fee, McKnight, Airport Road , Midland , McKelvey, and Olive mysteriously change names as you cross intersections.
  9. Gravois Road, Spoede and Chouteau can be pronounced only by St. Louis natives. (Highway 40 is pronounced as “farty”.)
  10. A St. Louisian from South County has never or rarely been to North County and vise versa. West County just has everything delivered.
  11. No native St. Louisian knows that Lindbergh runs from South County to North County . And if you tell them, they will not believe you.
  12. Lindbergh belongs to every neighborhood except Kirkwood , who had the nerve to creatively change the name to ” Kirkwood Road ” (which may be the reason for number 11.).
  13. There are 2 interchanges to exit from Highway 40 onto Clayton Road and 2 for Big Bend . Stay alert, people!
  14. If you need directions to O’Fallon, make sure to specify Illinois or Missouri . This is also true for Troy , Maryville , St. Charles , Springfield and Columbia .
  15. The Page Avenue extension and Airport expansion projects took over 20 years to get approved. St. Louisians lost track of how many political figures claimed them as their own ideas.
  16. St. Louisians were aghast when the federal government required them to redo the highway signs to indicate that the federal highways went to cities in other states instead of local municipalities.
  17. Drivers are starting to cut their OWN plates rather than go through the Missouri Department of Motor Vehicles to get new tags. You can also purchase tags from dealers behind Quick Shops in the city. They are cheaper, the clerks are nicer, and the service is faster.
  18. Lambert Field and St. Louis International Airport really are the same place. The East Terminal, however, is a different place but also at Lambert/St Louis International.
  19. Highway 270 is our daily version of the NASCAR circuit.
  20. You can go all four directions on Highway 270: North and South in West County , East and West in South County , and East and West in North County Confused? So are the St. Louis drivers.
  21. The outer belt is Highway 270 which turns into Highway 255 in South County . The inner belt is Highway 170. Highway 370 is an outer-outer belt. Highway 40 is the same as Interstate 64 (but only through the middle part of St. Louis .) If you are listening to traffic reports and they are calling it 64, the traffic jam is in Illinois . If they are calling it 40, the traffic jam is in Missouri .
  22. The morning rush hour is from 6:00 to 10:00 AM. The evening rush hour is from 3:00 to 7:00 PM. Friday’s rush hour starts Thursday morning.
  23. Never ever try to cross a bridge in St. Louis during rush hour unless you have a sack lunch and a port-a-potty in the car.
  24. “Yield” signs are for decoration only. No native St. Louisian will ever grasp the concept. (Actually, the drivers who are supposed to yield will not, and the drivers who are not supposed to yield will wait politely for the ones who are supposed to yield, so it all works out.)
  25. If someone actually has their turn signal on, it is probably a factory defect, or has been on for the last 17 miles.
  26. Construction on Highways 40, 64, 70, 255, 270, 44, 55 and 170 is a way of life, and a permanent form of entertainment.
  27. All blue-haired old ladies in Cadillac’s driving on Olive west of 270 have the right of way.
  28.  If it snows or rains, stay home!
  29. St Charles is whole another story
  30. anyone who left stl may we never forget.
  31. If the car has a Joy 99.1 sticker or Illinois plates steer clear because they do not know how to drive and will hit you probably with the turn signal on for no reason (see number 25)
 
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Jayrod said:
The following information is  helpful for getting around town:

  1. There are 75 “unofficial neighborhoods” in the City of St. Louis . St. Louisians commonly give directions–especially for restaurants—to strangers based on these neighborhoods, which aren’t marked on any maps that are handed out by the tourist board, the AAA or Map Quest.
  2. There are 54 school districts–on the Missouri side alone–each of which has their own school bus system with scheduled times to block traffic.
  3. There are 91 official municipalities in St. Louis County . Each municipality has its own rules and regulations, and often their own police departments.
  4. More importantly, most have their own snow removal contracts so it’s not uncommon to drive down a road in winter and have one block plowed, the next salted, the next piled with snow and the last partially cleared by residents wanting to get out of their driveways.
  5. Snow plowing is never a problem in the City of St. Louis . They plow nothing, and if the forecast calls for snow, they close everything. Exception “The Hill” (refer to #1 above) where each homeowner goes out to the street and shovels out one car-sized rectangle and then stands watch over it.
  6. Any car parked longer than 4 hours on the street in the city is considered a parts store.
  7. The City of Ballwin actually proposed that drivers use connecting strip mall parking lots to get from place to place rather than drive on Manchester Road to cut the traffic on Manchester (And for good reason. There is a stoplight at every intersection on Manchester ).
  8. Laclede Station Road , McCausland, Lindbergh, Watson, Reavis Barracks, Fee Fee, McKnight, Airport Road , Midland , McKelvey, and Olive mysteriously change names as you cross intersections.
  9. Gravois Road, Spoede and Chouteau can be pronounced only by St. Louis natives. (Highway 40 is pronounced as “farty”.)
  10. A St. Louisian from South County has never or rarely been to North County and vise versa. West County just has everything delivered.
  11. No native St. Louisian knows that Lindbergh runs from South County to North County . And if you tell them, they will not believe you.
  12. Lindbergh belongs to every neighborhood except Kirkwood , who had the nerve to creatively change the name to ” Kirkwood Road ” (which may be the reason for number 11.).
  13. There are 2 interchanges to exit from Highway 40 onto Clayton Road and 2 for Big Bend . Stay alert, people!
  14. If you need directions to O’Fallon, make sure to specify Illinois or Missouri . This is also true for Troy , Maryville , St. Charles , Springfield and Columbia .
  15. The Page Avenue extension and Airport expansion projects took over 20 years to get approved. St. Louisians lost track of how many political figures claimed them as their own ideas.
  16. St. Louisians were aghast when the federal government required them to redo the highway signs to indicate that the federal highways went to cities in other states instead of local municipalities.
  17. Drivers are starting to cut their OWN plates rather than go through the Missouri Department of Motor Vehicles to get new tags. You can also purchase tags from dealers behind Quick Shops in the city. They are cheaper, the clerks are nicer, and the service is faster.
  18. Lambert Field and St. Louis International Airport really are the same place. The East Terminal, however, is a different place but also at Lambert/St Louis International.
  19. Highway 270 is our daily version of the NASCAR circuit.
  20. You can go all four directions on Highway 270: North and South in West County , East and West in South County , and East and West in North County Confused? So are the St. Louis drivers.
  21. The outer belt is Highway 270 which turns into Highway 255 in South County . The inner belt is Highway 170. Highway 370 is an outer-outer belt. Highway 40 is the same as Interstate 64 (but only through the middle part of St. Louis .) If you are listening to traffic reports and they are calling it 64, the traffic jam is in Illinois . If they are calling it 40, the traffic jam is in Missouri .
  22. The morning rush hour is from 6:00 to 10:00 AM. The evening rush hour is from 3:00 to 7:00 PM. Friday’s rush hour starts Thursday morning.
  23. Never ever try to cross a bridge in St. Louis during rush hour unless you have a sack lunch and a port-a-potty in the car.
  24. “Yield” signs are for decoration only. No native St. Louisian will ever grasp the concept. (Actually, the drivers who are supposed to yield will not, and the drivers who are not supposed to yield will wait politely for the ones who are supposed to yield, so it all works out.)
  25. If someone actually has their turn signal on, it is probably a factory defect, or has been on for the last 17 miles.
  26. Construction on Highways 40, 64, 70, 255, 270, 44, 55 and 170 is a way of life, and a permanent form of entertainment.
  27. All blue-haired old ladies in Cadillac’s driving on Olive west of 270 have the right of way.
  28.  If it snows or rains, stay home!
  29. St Charles is whole another story
  30. anyone who left stl may we never forget.
  31. If the car has a Joy 99.1 sticker or Illinois plates steer clear because they do not know how to drive and will hit you probably with the turn signal on for no reason (see number 25)
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:lmao:

So damn true ... and I'm not from here, just lived here the past 15 years.

 
TheFanatic said:
I've parked at Carmine's before but never actually eaten there. I can't think of anyone who has eaten there besides you. How was it priced?

Oh, and sorry about the cold weather. It went from high 80's to the 40's overnight last week and has not turned back. I had a fire in the fireplace yesterday!
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Very similar to a Ruth Chris price wise. I wouldn’t go there again but it wasn’t bad. I would rate the steaks I have had at RC’s slightly better but I wanted to try something local. If we would have had more time and it wasn’t so cold (we were not prepared) we probably would have gone elsewhere. 

Like I said in the update, I love that area and hope to get down there for a game next season. 

Oh, and we got up in the arch this morning. Very cool!!! 

 
Thanks for all of the advice but I have another question for the St Louis peeps. 

Is Wildwood, MO considered to be part of St. Louis? Anyone know anything about Wildwood? Thanks! 

 
Yes, Wildwood is considered part of St Louis.  The St Louis "area" is actually many, many different cities all clustered together.

That said, I did not grow up here.  So, probably don't know as much about Wildwood as others.  I know it is one of the nicer/upscale cities compared to others.  What did you want to know about it?

 
Beef Ravioli said:
Thanks for all of the advice but I have another question for the St Louis peeps. 

Is Wildwood, MO considered to be part of St. Louis? Anyone know anything about Wildwood? Thanks! 
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Well it's not far from Times Beach - which you might want to read about. Had an issue with Dioxin contamination. And all around there were dumps that became superfund problems. If you are going to move there dig deep into environmental issues. Also be aware of flooding issues - lots of creeks and stuff feed into Meremac and Missouri rivers around there - it is somewhat hilly - you could never experience issues - but watch the low lying areas. It's considered part of St. Louis - it was way out there and as people kept moving away from city or commuting to the I-270 corridors for work it became a place to live - just know that the roads and stuff are like the typical "new" suburbs there - not as many services and lots of traffic on smaller roads for big home tract areas.

 
bryhamm said:
Yes, Wildwood is considered part of St Louis.  The St Louis "area" is actually many, many different cities all clustered together.

That said, I did not grow up here.  So, probably don't know as much about Wildwood as others.  I know it is one of the nicer/upscale cities compared to others.  What did you want to know about it?
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Just a general feel about it. I was asked if I would be interested in looking at a job out that way. Most of the folks in that job live in and around Wildwood.

Odds are that nothing develops with me and the job but since I had this thread from last fall, I figured I would ask.

 
Whoa! Just watching our local news and the weather. I see St Louis is getting lots of snow. What’s a typical winter like? 

 
Beef Ravioli said:
Whoa! Just watching our local news and the weather. I see St Louis is getting lots of snow. What’s a typical winter like? 
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Lots of snow here is 6 inches. 

Been here 10 years, probably average 5-10 snowfalls per winter.  Usually doesn't last more than a couple days. 

Temps usually in the 20's-30's, will occasionally get into single digits and below and also had 60 degrees for one day last week. 

I'm not a big winter person, but overall not that bad. 

 
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