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Staff team's preferences:

Stuart - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14

Gray - 1, 2, 8, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 6, 5, 4, 3

Rudnicki - 1, 2, 3, 14, 13, 4, 12, 8, 7, 6, 5, 9, 10, 11

Yudkin - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14

Borbely - 1, 2, 3, 4, 11, 10, 9, 8, 14, 13, 12, 7, 6, 5

Tefertiller - 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 5, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 4

Pasquino - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8

I am going to use Irony Dice Roll (low scores get first choice). I will post the reults here for draft order. Once I have all of the MB emails addresses (have 5 of 7), we will send out full details.

 
David Dodds said:
Here are the selections (listed in alphabetical order):BriBusmanceo3westGridiron MenaceSoaring EagleTremendous UpsideWarehouse NastyPlease PM me your email addresses so that I can mail you further details. For those not selected, we will have one more of the competitions using the WCOFF format. Draft will be next week (Tuesday night). Post for consideration will start on Thursday.
:goodposting: :goodposting:
 
I would be glad to share my thoughts with the MB team regarding strategy if you guys are interested.

GL

 
Bri said:
Andy Dufresne said:
David Dodds said:
Here are the selections (listed in alphabetical order):BriBusmanceo3westGridiron MenaceSoaring EagleTremendous UpsideWarehouse NastyPlease PM me your email addresses so that I can mail you further details. For those not selected, we will have one more of the competitions using the WCOFF format. Draft will be next week (Tuesday night). Post for consideration will start on Thursday.
:boxing:If I had a subscription, I'd cancel it. :whistle:
first time selected since day 1 Thanks DD, hang in there Andy
I'm just messing around. It's my own fault for not following directions (post only once).If anyone needs a co-owner, even if just to bounce an opinion off of, I'm game.
 
Here is the order (dice roll in parenthesis, lowest rolls got first choices):

Rudnicki (20) - 1

Stuart (30) - 2

ceo3west (72) - 3

Bri (82) - 14

Soaring Eagle (95) - 5

Pasquino (100) - 4

Tefertiller (330) - 6

Warehouse Nasty (346) - 9

Gray (379) - 8

Borbely (431) - 11

Gridiron Menace (594) - 7

Busman (772) - 13

Tremendous Upside (842) - 10

Yudkin (919) - 12

 
Staff team's preferences:

Stuart - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14

Gray - 1, 2, 8, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 6, 5, 4, 3

Rudnicki - 1, 2, 3, 14, 13, 4, 12, 8, 7, 6, 5, 9, 10, 11

Yudkin - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14

Borbely - 1, 2, 3, 4, 11, 10, 9, 8, 14, 13, 12, 7, 6, 5

Tefertiller - 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 5, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 4

Pasquino - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8

I am going to use Irony Dice Roll (low scores get first choice). I will post the reults here for draft order. Once I have all of the MB emails addresses (have 5 of 7), we will send out full details.
Probably should have looked this up first :whistle: 3RS for 14 teams

Correct "value" play is 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-14-8-13-9-12-11-10

Oh well, worked out for me.....

 
Here is the order (dice roll in parenthesis, lowest rolls got first choices):Rudnicki (20) - 1Stuart (30) - 2ceo3west (72) - 3Bri (82) - 14Soaring Eagle (95) - 5Pasquino (100) - 4Tefertiller (330) - 6Warehouse Nasty (346) - 9Gray (379) - 8Borbely (431) - 11Gridiron Menace (594) - 7Busman (772) - 13Tremendous Upside (842) - 10Yudkin (919) - 12
1 thru 14AaronChaseceo3westJeff PSoaring EagleJeff TGridiron MenaceCarlton Warehouse NastyTremendous UpsideAnthonyDavidBusmanBri
 
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Here is the order (dice roll in parenthesis, lowest rolls got first choices):Rudnicki (20) - 1Stuart (30) - 2ceo3west (72) - 3Bri (82) - 14Soaring Eagle (95) - 5Pasquino (100) - 4Tefertiller (330) - 6Warehouse Nasty (346) - 9Gray (379) - 8Borbely (431) - 11Gridiron Menace (594) - 7Busman (772) - 13Tremendous Upside (842) - 10Yudkin (919) - 12
1 thru 14AaronChaseceo3westJeff PSoaring EagleJeff TGridiron MenaceCarlton Warehouse NastyTremendous UpsideAnthonyDavidBusmanBri
Seriously, please explain your choice of 14. Chosing that spot just gives away leverage. Do you have a major drop off between 29 and 30? The shark play is 12 then 11 then 13 if you want that end.
 
Here is the order (dice roll in parenthesis, lowest rolls got first choices):Rudnicki (20) - 1Stuart (30) - 2ceo3west (72) - 3Bri (82) - 14Soaring Eagle (95) - 5Pasquino (100) - 4Tefertiller (330) - 6Warehouse Nasty (346) - 9Gray (379) - 8Borbely (431) - 11Gridiron Menace (594) - 7Busman (772) - 13Tremendous Upside (842) - 10Yudkin (919) - 12
1 thru 14AaronChaseceo3westJeff PSoaring EagleJeff TGridiron MenaceCarlton Warehouse NastyTremendous UpsideAnthonyDavidBusmanBri
Seriously, please explain your choice of 14. Chosing that spot just gives away leverage. Do you have a major drop off between 29 and 30? The shark play is 12 then 11 then 13 if you want that end.
Bri does get what amounts to be the #1 pick for Rounds 3 and beyond.This draft is flipped ("3RR" / 3rd Rd Reversal according to NFFC, "3RS" or Third Round Serpentine from my perspective).Basically it is 1-14, 14-1 and then 14-1, 1-14 repeated. Easiest thought is to say you've traded your first two picks for your polar opposite and assume you're living at that pick for Round 3 and beyond. (Example - Pick 4. I am picking 11th in the 3rd, 5th, 7th, etc. and 4th in Rounds 4, 6, 8, etc. In Round 1 I'm 4th and Round 2 I'm 11th.)So 14 is 14, 1, 1, 14, 1, 14, 1....Bri has 3 of the first 29 players off his board.
 
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Correct "value" play is 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-14-8-13-9-12-11-10
I disagree and I'd assume so do all the who do I pick with the 4-7 thead people.How do you reason that out?
Read the article, Bri....
Notice the word "value" in quotes. The article talks about straight draft pick value, nothing more.I like the back end of the draft here, but just not as much as you. I also see BnB's point of having Pick 11-13 vs. 14 to have a shot at a better RB1.
 
Seriously, please explain your choice of 14. Chosing that spot just gives away leverage. Do you have a major drop off between 29 and 30? The shark play is 12 then 11 then 13 if you want that end.
With all due respect, not here, not now. Feel free to email me (all MB participants)bri at footballhangout and we can discuss strategy if you'd like.
 
Correct "value" play is 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-14-8-13-9-12-11-10
I disagree and I'd assume so do all the who do I pick with the 4-7 thead people.How do you reason that out?
Read the article, Bri....
Notice the word "value" in quotes. The article talks about straight draft pick value, nothing more.I like the back end of the draft here, but just not as much as you. I also see BnB's point of having Pick 11-13 vs. 14 to have a shot at a better RB1.
Too rigid IMO. NFL draft pick calculator is all well and good if people pick in order but we draft with humans with different ideas and thoughts. A fun read and interesting thought process/breakdown but I don't feel it'd be practical applying it.
 
Here is the order (dice roll in parenthesis, lowest rolls got first choices):Rudnicki (20) - 1Stuart (30) - 2ceo3west (72) - 3Bri (82) - 14Soaring Eagle (95) - 5Pasquino (100) - 4Tefertiller (330) - 6Warehouse Nasty (346) - 9Gray (379) - 8Borbely (431) - 11Gridiron Menace (594) - 7Busman (772) - 13Tremendous Upside (842) - 10Yudkin (919) - 12
1 thru 14AaronChaseceo3westJeff PSoaring EagleJeff TGridiron MenaceCarlton Warehouse NastyTremendous UpsideAnthonyDavidBusmanBri
Seriously, please explain your choice of 14. Chosing that spot just gives away leverage. Do you have a major drop off between 29 and 30? The shark play is 12 then 11 then 13 if you want that end.
Bri does get what amounts to be the #1 pick for Rounds 3 and beyond.This draft is flipped ("3RR" / 3rd Rd Reversal according to NFFC, "3RS" or Third Round Serpentine from my perspective).Basically it is 1-14, 14-1 and then 14-1, 1-14 repeated. Easiest thought is to say you've traded your first two picks for your polar opposite and assume you're living at that pick for Round 3 and beyond. (Example - Pick 4. I am picking 11th in the 3rd, 5th, 7th, etc. and 4th in Rounds 4, 6, 8, etc. In Round 1 I'm 4th and Round 2 I'm 11th.)So 14 is 14, 1, 1, 14, 1, 14, 1....Bri has 3 of the first 29 players off his board.
I figured that much out in the 1.5 seconds it took me to read 3RR. Unless there's a huge magical drop at one of those tiers, pinning yourself to the end is a guppy move.
 
I think pick #4 is by far the worst (no value in the first round and then picking late in the 2nd and third). Forget the math for a second, it's the worst spot to have this season. If I was in this I would have chosen it like this:

1, 2, 7, 8, 9 (prefer to be in the middle to scoop value), 3, 10, 6, 11, 5, 12, 13, 14, 4

 
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Here is the order (dice roll in parenthesis, lowest rolls got first choices):Rudnicki (20) - 1Stuart (30) - 2ceo3west (72) - 3Bri (82) - 14Soaring Eagle (95) - 5Pasquino (100) - 4Tefertiller (330) - 6Warehouse Nasty (346) - 9Gray (379) - 8Borbely (431) - 11Gridiron Menace (594) - 7Busman (772) - 13Tremendous Upside (842) - 10Yudkin (919) - 12
1 thru 14AaronChaseceo3westJeff PSoaring EagleJeff TGridiron MenaceCarlton Warehouse NastyTremendous UpsideAnthonyDavidBusmanBri
Seriously, please explain your choice of 14. Chosing that spot just gives away leverage. Do you have a major drop off between 29 and 30? The shark play is 12 then 11 then 13 if you want that end.
Bri does get what amounts to be the #1 pick for Rounds 3 and beyond.This draft is flipped ("3RR" / 3rd Rd Reversal according to NFFC, "3RS" or Third Round Serpentine from my perspective).Basically it is 1-14, 14-1 and then 14-1, 1-14 repeated. Easiest thought is to say you've traded your first two picks for your polar opposite and assume you're living at that pick for Round 3 and beyond. (Example - Pick 4. I am picking 11th in the 3rd, 5th, 7th, etc. and 4th in Rounds 4, 6, 8, etc. In Round 1 I'm 4th and Round 2 I'm 11th.)So 14 is 14, 1, 1, 14, 1, 14, 1....Bri has 3 of the first 29 players off his board.
I figured that much out in the 1.5 seconds it took me to read 3RR. Unless there's a huge magical drop at one of those tiers, pinning yourself to the end is a guppy move.
This "discussion" exemplifies the beauty of KDS and 3RR. Have fun guys and lets here more of your convictions on draft spot value in this system. :mellow: :tumbleweed: :boxing:
 
I'm happy to share my thoughts as well. I've done countless hours of research preparing for the NFFC Main Event. Let me know if anyone cares to hear it. Or PM me and I'll share too.

 
Personally I really like my 11th draw. I think that if you can't have #1 or #2, then 9-11 is where you want to be. You potentially can get a stud RB and have your options open in the 2nd round whether or not to come back with another top RB or follow suit with a top WR. You then pick again at the top of the 3rd, which is money. I would rather give up my top of the 3rd round pick for LT2 and Jackson, but other than those players, I'll take the early 3rd round pick every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Now we are just waiting for David to send us the MFL link and we are all set to go.

- GM

 
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If I had my choice I would have gone with th 9 - 11 as my first choice after 1 and 2. Unfortunately my buddy chose this and now I have to live with the 5th pick :D . Looking forward to competing against some of the FBG staff once again and looking forward to taking the Gamebreakers title this year from them.

 
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No one knows what happens from year to year...

Drafting guys like the 06 Gore's, MJD's, Addai's etc typically wins leagues...as drafting a bust in the first round will cause people to lose leagues while drafting the late round "surprises" wins leagues....

Yes LT is the consensus #1 pick but every else has question marks...but this league along with others will be won in the late rounds and lost in the early ones....

Scott (Stormchasers) and I have very different ideas of which pick is better to have as does most of the message board and staff which will make this a very interesting and entertaining draft to participate in....

Looking forward to tomorrow...

 
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Everyone should soon receive info on their password for the MFL site. Please let me know if you don't see it.

 
The MB doesn't stand a chance in hell...sorry

Pasquino, JT, Yudkin...that alone would be too much but then you toss in Chase, CG, and Rudni...MB will be confused in the middle rounds. Of course the 1st 3-4 rounds will go pretty normal but honestly we just had a league of what I would consider highly "on top of it" mix of staff and MB and there was so little room for error that just a pick here or there and it made for some uncomfortable line ups...

Maybe David can slay Goliath...I'm not in the mix but if any of the MB folks want any tips on the drafting habits of these fine horsemen that have been assembled, feel free to PM me or get everyone's email together and I will be glad to share with you my experiences.

Actually...TU, Bri, and Nasty might give them a run for their money depending on what their plans are.

 
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This draft is flipped ("3RR" / 3rd Rd Reversal according to NFFC, "3RS" or Third Round Serpentine from my perspective).
:lmao: :shrug:I'm glad you agree, but its too late. NFFC has claimed 3RR as this style and unless you just want to promote confusion (something I tried to avoid previously, NFFC refused) their style is now 3RR. Even David used it, thus its getting ingrained.A true third round flop is the Banzai Method. I am hoping you will use the terminology Jeff. It will make things easier and at this point, proper. It will also make me smile, thanks Jeff. ;) I think you can see both terms now being used around the net. But the first FF Info site the "Banzai Method" (3rd flop) was used at, was right here at FBG. That I'm sure of.**As you had asked, so far the best I can track down (from an owner who used to be in the league) is that "Banzai" came from the name of a team (not the league itself as I had thought before) within a money league in the mid-late 90s.Its proven hard to get a hold of people from so long ago.
 
ceo3west said:
The MB doesn't stand a chance in hell...sorryPasquino, JT, Yudkin...that alone would be too much but then you toss in Chase, CG, and Rudni...MB will be confused in the middle rounds. Of course the 1st 3-4 rounds will go pretty normal but honestly we just had a league of what I would consider highly "on top of it" mix of staff and MB and there was so little room for error that just a pick here or there and it made for some uncomfortable line ups...Maybe David can slay Goliath...I'm not in the mix but if any of the MB folks want any tips on the drafting habits of these fine horsemen that have been assembled, feel free to PM me or get everyone's email together and I will be glad to share with you my experiences.Actually...TU, Bri, and Nasty might give them a run for their money depending on what their plans are.
I wish there was an icon for ***kisser.
Mistake #1...I have offered to give you insight into what and how at least half the staff will draft and you have decided to throw out an insult instead of gethering info like the Staff will be loaded with tonight...are you going to come unglued tonight and lose your temper in the 4th or 5th round?I was only trying to help fellow MB...soothing the opposition and coming in with the aw shucks atitude deosn't hurt either.
 
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How about the non-playing MBers just go ahead and grace us with their draft advice instead of making offers of the advice? Swing away, sharks, swing away.

 
ceo3west said:
The MB doesn't stand a chance in hell...sorryPasquino, JT, Yudkin...that alone would be too much but then you toss in Chase, CG, and Rudni...MB will be confused in the middle rounds. Of course the 1st 3-4 rounds will go pretty normal but honestly we just had a league of what I would consider highly "on top of it" mix of staff and MB and there was so little room for error that just a pick here or there and it made for some uncomfortable line ups...Maybe David can slay Goliath...I'm not in the mix but if any of the MB folks want any tips on the drafting habits of these fine horsemen that have been assembled, feel free to PM me or get everyone's email together and I will be glad to share with you my experiences.Actually...TU, Bri, and Nasty might give them a run for their money depending on what their plans are.
I wish there was an icon for ***kisser.
Mistake #1...I have offered to give you insight into what and how at least half the staff will draft and you have decided to throw out an insult instead of gethering info like the Staff will be loaded with tonight...are you going to come unglued tonight and lose your temper in the 4th or 5th round?I was only trying to help fellow MB...soothing the opposition and coming in with the aw shucks atitude deosn't hurt either.
I appreciate the offer, but coming out and saying "MB will be confused by the middle rounds" without knowing how the MB drafts is quite an assumption.
 
Is there going to be some neurosurgery pop quiz in the middle rounds that will flummox us poor MBers?

I think the biggest advantage the staffers will have over the MBers on the whole will be favorable draft position with 3 of the top 4 picks and #s 1 and 2...

3rr will help alleviate that somewhat...

 
Based off what I've seen, I expect the staff will have a fairly similar strategy to what I will have with regards to draft technique with the possible exception of Wimer. Should make for a very interesting and tough draft.

In case anyone was wondering, I chose the 9 spot because it allows you to get 2 of the top 20 players and I feel there is a dropoff in talent somewhere around 35. With the 3RR it allows me to get 3 of the first 34 picks. In hindsight, maybe the 6-7 spot would have been a little better because it would have moved me up the elite RB chain a couple picks and there is likely to be some player drafted in the first 35 picks that I am not as high on so I could have still snagged one of "my guys".

I expect a tough draft and I'm looking forward to the opportunity.

 
Based off what I've seen, I expect the staff will have a fairly similar strategy to what I will have with regards to draft technique with the possible exception of Wimer. Should make for a very interesting and tough draft. In case anyone was wondering, I chose the 9 spot because it allows you to get 2 of the top 20 players and I feel there is a dropoff in talent somewhere around 35. With the 3RR it allows me to get 3 of the first 34 picks. In hindsight, maybe the 6-7 spot would have been a little better because it would have moved me up the elite RB chain a couple picks and there is likely to be some player drafted in the first 35 picks that I am not as high on so I could have still snagged one of "my guys".I expect a tough draft and I'm looking forward to the opportunity.
I see this league being decided by picks in the mid to late rounds, not the first few rounds. After the first few picks, everyone will be drafting from a somewhat even talent pool. The 3RR will help offset the gains of the early drafters. Regular contributors in the 18th round will be more valuable than someone that does slightly better than expected in round 3.
 
OK, I will post what I have observed from the drafts and leagues where I have played with the staffers...I'm selling you SOBs down the river :goodposting:

1. Rudni: I have been a couple of best ball staff/MB leagues with him. TO be honest I don't know of a lot of articles that I key in on with Aaron and think of him more as the board patrol than I do a FF guru of sorts. He has the #1 pick so its obvious he will have a leg up in this league. I wouldn't spend a lot of time trying to out think his moves...not disresepcting him but in this pack of staff I would put him more towards the back. And that's what sucks about him getting the best player on the board early...would have been better if he had to make a real decision.

2. Chase: Have not competed against Chase as much as I have debated with him going back to his "Jets" log in days. Chase knows all that stats or can access them in nanoseconds it seems. He has strong opinions on players so it would behoove you to go in and do a search of him over the past couple of months...epsecially in any of the player spotlights as you will see his feeling about possible palyers and use that to your advantage. The staff drew the top two picks so they have a nice early advantage. To finish up on Chase...great poster, strong knowledge of the football world and probably a guy that will not miss a lot when he makes his picks.

6. Pasquino: 1st thing you have to understand is Pasquino knows more than everyone including you. He really does, graduate of CalTech I do believe, the man has a lot of mathematical skills(he would know which is the better pizza deal). Also Pasquino is a Philly homer. He will sell the rights to his 1st born if he can lock up Brian Westbrook early. So whoever has the number 5 might get him off his game by interceding and taking Westy early. JP doesn't dazzle me in drafts but you can definitely keep his rankings out in front of you because he follows them to a tea during the draft. He literally will post "I have Joey Galloway #27 on my board and I need a WR, so I am taking him here as the whatever number off the board..." Pasquino gets a middle slot which means this 3RR theory of his has almost no impact on him as he and the fellow we will talk about next don't really have to worry about their slots getting tossed around.

7. Jeff Terfetiller(JT in the OK): I probably know JT better than any of the other FBG Staff...it was truly a great day when they made him part of the staff. Many knew him as Wannabee and he probably helped more guys in the AC Forum than anyone else on the MB. He has a great knowledge of the game but what he really excels in is finding the value plays at WR in the sweet spots of the 3rd thru 8th rounds. JT is a true VBD drafter and probably got a lot of his knowledge form the ole Cheatsheets days when things were 1st being put together. JT doesn't get rattled and will put together a solid draft. He tends to like the 30 something year old WR that everyone else passes on so you find him with Bruce, Driver, Galloway, the guys that don't get any love but keep grinding out top20 years.

9. Clayton Gray: Writes the SOS the entire year...he knows exactly who will outperform their ADP based on things relating to easy schedules. Pay close attention and read up on his SOS articles before tonight. Also look for his posts in the SHark Pool over the past 30-60 days much the same as Chase. I see them as close in ability and drafting and think they will mirror each other a bit in the draft.

10. Borberly: I drafted with Borberly in a dynasty league earlier this year...he hails from Detroit, roots for Detroit...guess waht fills quite a few of his roster spots...Detroit Lions of course. Borberly is a great guy but again with these other Staff on here, I would put him towards the back of the pack but that doesn't mean he is a pushover or anything. Sharp guy but he's a homer. :rolleyes:

14. Yudkin: So David gets to clean up the mess at the end of the rounds...you guys are in big trouble. Yudkin is very analytical and reads and thinks more than he just wildly posts on the MB. His tendencies are that he can change directions on the fly. he took Peyton Manning at 2.11 in a recent draft I was in with him and his reasonsing was that he couldn't allow the LT owner to pair him with Manning...and that's what you are in for with Yudkin. He is thinking about the composite of your team as much or more than he is his team. He knows he will field a solid team but anything he can do to damage your chances he is on board for.

Good Luck

 
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I wouldn't spend a lot of time trying to out think his moves...not disresepcting him but in this pack of staff I would put him more towards the back. And that's what sucks about him getting the best player on the board early...would have been better if he had to make a real decision.
good bulletin board material here
 
enough of the crap - WHERE are the results? :lmao: sorry, from the comments last night I though the draft was imminent.

MB guys REPRESENT and kick some staffars :wub:

 
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