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Staff vs the Message Board (1 Viewer)

David Dodds

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After some careful thought, we have decided to make this a Three Ring Circus.....or a Triathlon.......or a Trilogy of Terror......

Link to Nomination Thread

Here is the general concept:

1. There will be three seperate contests consisting of 6 staff members and 6 message board members per contest.

2. The contests will be the following:

A. PPR Survivor, 22 rounds, people eliminated most weeks, amnesty, etc.

B. Best Ball Auction (No PPR), no eliminations

C. FFTOC Format, high score through 16 weeks

3. We have opted to do each of these events for a few reasons.

A. We get more staffers and message board members involved.

B. We generate strategy discussion in each of these different formats

C. We think this cross-section of contests displays a wide range of skills.

4. Footballguys Staff (Dodds, Wood, Gray) will select the 18 message board members (Tick is already in because he won the Survivor last year). Once the team is selected though, it will be Tick's responsibility to correctly slot the 18 members into the appropriate contests.

5. There has been a lot of discussion surround staffer's choosing the entrants. We did not do it the last two years and we received a lot of complaints about the selection process. We have opted to open this up fully to everyone and will announce the signup process via the email update on Tuesday. I feel this is the fairest approach going forward. We are not trying to stack the team in favor of the staff. In fact I want the most knowledgeable people in these events because that is likely to generate the best strategies, etc. This is our overall goal. Get great content for the website.

6. Each of these unique leagues will have a strategy discussion component that both staff and Message Board participants will need to write about. This content will all be displayed post-drafts.

7. Besides the 18 message board members, we will also be selecting 3 message board reviewers to follow and comment on each of these leagues both after the drafts and through the season.

8. A signup page stating you are interested will be made available on Tuesday. We are going to limit everyone to 250 words max and only allow posts of interest. Discussion, etc should be in this thread (or others), but not the signup thread.

9. Scoring of each contest will be 10 points for first, 8 for 2nd, 6 for 3rd, 4 for 4th, 2 for 5th and 1 for 6th for each contest.

10. We are allocating the following dollars for the participants:

A. Each MB participant will get $50 for their writeups.

B. Each MB participant will get $15 per point they earn.

C. An additional $900 will be split evenly ($50 each) to the message board should they beat the staff team. 93 total points are available. The team scoring 47 or more will be considered the Champion.

D. Reviewers will get $100 for their writeups, but are not eligible for items A, B and C above.

11. Detailed rules for each of these contests will be published at a later date.

 
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2. The contests will be the following:

A. PPR Survivor, 22 rounds, people eliminated most weeks, amnesty, etc.

B. Best Ball Auction (No PPR), no eliminations

C. FFTOC Format, high score through 16 weeks
these are all survivor types in that we draft then it's done, right? No week to week management?You offerred tons here and please don't misconstrue but in the future please consider adding a traditional redraft league.

 
2.  The contests will be the following:

A. PPR Survivor, 22 rounds, people eliminated most weeks, amnesty, etc.

B. Best Ball Auction (No PPR), no eliminations

C. FFTOC Format, high score through 16 weeks
these are all survivor types in that we draft then it's done, right? No week to week management?You offerred tons here and please don't misconstrue but in the future please consider adding a traditional redraft league.
The first two have no weekly management. The FFTOC is weekly management
 
2.  The contests will be the following:

A. PPR Survivor, 22 rounds, people eliminated most weeks, amnesty, etc.

B. Best Ball Auction (No PPR), no eliminations

C. FFTOC Format, high score through 16 weeks
these are all survivor types in that we draft then it's done, right? No week to week management?You offerred tons here and please don't misconstrue but in the future please consider adding a traditional redraft league.
The first two have no weekly management. The FFTOC is weekly management
David, A 16 week FFTOC game?

I am SO in for that.

Glad to see it too.

 
2.  The contests will be the following:

A. PPR Survivor, 22 rounds, people eliminated most weeks, amnesty, etc.

B. Best Ball Auction (No PPR), no eliminations

C. FFTOC Format, high score through 16 weeks
these are all survivor types in that we draft then it's done, right? No week to week management?You offerred tons here and please don't misconstrue but in the future please consider adding a traditional redraft league.
The first two have no weekly management. The FFTOC is weekly management
David, A 16 week FFTOC game?

I am SO in for that.

Glad to see it too.
Yes that's how we will score it. No playoffs just highest total score through 16 weeks.
 
2.  The contests will be the following:

A. PPR Survivor, 22 rounds, people eliminated most weeks, amnesty, etc.

B. Best Ball Auction (No PPR), no eliminations

C. FFTOC Format, high score through 16 weeks
these are all survivor types in that we draft then it's done, right? No week to week management?You offerred tons here and please don't misconstrue but in the future please consider adding a traditional redraft league.
The first two have no weekly management. The FFTOC is weekly management
That's the type that sorta took the smallworld.com idea and "ran with it" (enhanced, added, etc) right? IIRC That's your specialty :boxing:
 
2.  The contests will be the following:

A. PPR Survivor, 22 rounds, people eliminated most weeks, amnesty, etc.

B. Best Ball Auction (No PPR), no eliminations

C. FFTOC Format, high score through 16 weeks
these are all survivor types in that we draft then it's done, right? No week to week management?You offerred tons here and please don't misconstrue but in the future please consider adding a traditional redraft league.
The first two have no weekly management. The FFTOC is weekly management
That's the type that sorta took the smallworld.com idea and "ran with it" (enhanced, added, etc) right? IIRC That's your specialty :boxing:
wasn't smallworld a salary cap league where you could use the same player multiple weeks?
 
2.  The contests will be the following:

A. PPR Survivor, 22 rounds, people eliminated most weeks, amnesty, etc.

B. Best Ball Auction (No PPR), no eliminations

C. FFTOC Format, high score through 16 weeks
these are all survivor types in that we draft then it's done, right? No week to week management?You offerred tons here and please don't misconstrue but in the future please consider adding a traditional redraft league.
The first two have no weekly management. The FFTOC is weekly management
That's the type that sorta took the smallworld.com idea and "ran with it" (enhanced, added, etc) right? IIRC That's your specialty :boxing:
wasn't smallworld a salary cap league where you could use the same player multiple weeks?
Nahand they were a nice little company til some big one bought them up :X

It was simply pick 1 QB 1 WR 1 RB and never the same guy again. Very simple yet very tricky and ya gotta plan well.

 
I like the different formats to keep things interesting. Just curious regarding the auction format, what website or software is used for the draft? Or is that yet to be determined?

 
I think the different formats should provide a lot of good discussion on how to win these types of events. That's our primary goal here.

We expanded the survivor format to two leagues before so that draft position would be completely equal. That will now be by random draw. But the other leagues (auction and FFTOC have no bias at all).

 
We will use Fantasy Auctioneer software.
Cool, thanks David. I'm going to give the software a test and consider it for one of my hometown leagues.
we used it for a FBG survivor league a couple years ago and I thought it was pretty cool. I'm sure they've made major improvements on it since then.
 
We will use Fantasy Auctioneer software.
Cool, thanks David. I'm going to give the software a test and consider it for one of my hometown leagues.
we used it for a FBG survivor league a couple years ago and I thought it was pretty cool. I'm sure they've made major improvements on it since then.
Actually they have not enhanced it at all. It could be better, but it works ok.
 
C. An additional $900 will be split evenly ($50 each) to the message board should they beat the staff team.
Very nice touch here David, like the unattainable bonuses you find in some NFL contracts. Sucks for them.
 
We will use Fantasy Auctioneer software.
Cool, thanks David. I'm going to give the software a test and consider it for one of my hometown leagues.
we used it for a FBG survivor league a couple years ago and I thought it was pretty cool. I'm sure they've made major improvements on it since then.
Actually they have not enhanced it at all. It could be better, but it works ok.
wow. surprised to hear that. seemed like a good product that filled a niche in the market and I would have figured they'd put more money into developing it as business picked up. maybe there isn't a huge demand for it though.I agree that it worked fine back then. There were a couple minor glitches early on when some people didn't show up on time, but once we got rolling it worked great.

 
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2. The contests will be the following:

A. PPR Survivor, 22 rounds, people eliminated most weeks, amnesty, etc.

B. Best Ball Auction (No PPR), no eliminations

C. FFTOC Format, high score through 16 weeks
these are all survivor types in that we draft then it's done, right? No week to week management?You offerred tons here and please don't misconstrue but in the future please consider adding a traditional redraft league.
I agree with bri here re draft leagues with serpetine drafts are easily what the most FF hobbiests play.
 
2. The contests will be the following:

A. PPR Survivor, 22 rounds, people eliminated most weeks, amnesty, etc.

B. Best Ball Auction (No PPR), no eliminations

C. FFTOC Format, high score through 16 weeks
these are all survivor types in that we draft then it's done, right? No week to week management?You offerred tons here and please don't misconstrue but in the future please consider adding a traditional redraft league.
The first two have no weekly management. The FFTOC is weekly management
David, A 16 week FFTOC game?

I am SO in for that.

Glad to see it too.
Yes that's how we will score it. No playoffs just highest total score through 16 weeks.
yes me too if if i was lucky enough to be choosen it would be my first choice of drafts and traditional Total Points formats is what I seem to do my bext winning in :)
 
Hey DonnyT, I read your novel in the begging, er, nomination thread. I guess you missed the 250 word part.

as he said: - The 250 word limit will be strictly enforced. Words, links, etc all count.

D-I-S-Q-U-A-L-I-F-I-E-D.

 
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Hey DonnyT, I read your novel in the begging, er, nomination thread. I guess you missed the 250 word part.

as he said: - The 250 word limit will be strictly enforced. Words, links, etc all count.

D-I-S-Q-U-A-L-I-F-I-E-D.
:lmao: He can still edit it...
 
I'm going to stay out of the nomination thread and not enter the Staff vs Message Board Triathlon. Something has recently come up concerning an ailing family member which will require me to be out of town a lot this summer, and at this point I'm not sure how much or exactly when I'll be needed. I have to be able to stay flexible with that, and adding much in the way of unnecessary commitments doesn't work for me right now.

So, I've read the first dozen or so nomination entries with an unbiased eye. I'd like to offer some advice to those who haven't yet entered. Those who have entered can edit their applications, so the advice is for some of them too. I'm not staff, I've not been chosen to pick anyone, and if I'm way off in what I have to say below, so be it. This is all just Couch Potato opinion.

IMO it's important that entrants keep in mind the reasons for this contest, and if they are serious about being chosen they should prepare their responses with those reasons in mind. Footballguys.com is a business. It's run by some pretty savvy people who want the business to continue to grow and succeed. The main site will have many, many subscribers who will read the contest writeups and not know or care who Couch Potato or DONNYT33 or anyone else on the MB is. They will be reading for the value of the content. To quote David in the initial post of this thread, "In fact I want the most knowledgeable people in these events because that is likely to generate the best strategies, etc. This is our overall goal. Get great content for the website."

Now, think about that for a minute. Does posting 5,000 times on a message board mean I'm going to provide great content? Does winning my league the last three years mean I'm going to provide great content? Both are indicators that I'm really into FF, but by themseleves the answer is no. I've been selected in the past for these contests and I saw it as a great privilege. I had no right to be selected. It wasn't my turn because I'm a great guy or I posted a lot or my message board buddies liked me. It was because I found a way to demonstrate that I was qualified to be chosen.

Again, Footballguys.com is looking for qualified people. Not every actor showing up at an audition has the right to a role. This is your audition, folks. Admittedly, some do have an advantage right out of the gate. The selection committe knows who some of the applicants are, has worked with them in the past, knows they are good, knows they will follow through on the writeups, knows they write well, etc. Is it unfair that they have an advantage? No, I don't think so. To carry the acting audition analogy further, if a well-known actor and a lesser-known actor are in competition for the same part, the lesser-known actor is going to have to work harder to prove he should be the guy. That's just how it is. It doesn't mean that the same people will be chosen every year though. If the better-known actor smugly assumes he's in without giving a real effort, he may be surprised to find the casting director has bypassed him. If the effort to impress isn't there when auditioning, maybe it won't be there when it really counts either. David Dodds has mentioned being burned in the past by people not following through with their writeups. Don't give the selectors cause for doubt when considering you.

I think that to give yourself your best chance to qualify as one of the MB team members, you will want to do a few things in your application:

(1) Demonstrate past success in fantasy football competitions. Don't tell me you won your online league last year, show me. LINK is just one word out of your 250, so use it. But better than one LINK would be seeing several LINKs showing success. We all know that a fair amount of luck can be involved in winning a championship, so show me you were 10-4 in this league, and 11-3 in that league, and 9-5 in that other league, and 10-4 the previous year, or whatever.

Anyone can tell me how great they are. Back it up somehow. Show me a track record that demonstrates you understand how to be successful. If you can't do that, why should I pick you? How can I know you're really any good? Just because you say so? How do I know you're not going to embarrass the business I'm running by having to reveal that one of the supposed geniuses I selected for this competition drafted like a clueless rookie?

(2) Write well. Those who don't write well will view this as an unfair requirement, but they really need to understand, again, that FBG is running a business and wants to provide a quality package to their subscribers. Rambling, incoherent, misspelled, generally unreadable commentary will not help sell subscriptions.

Does being a poor writer make you a bad guy? A poor FF player? Someone without good knowledge or strategy? No, of course not. But presentation does matter. Part of having great content for FBG subscribers is presentation of that content. I may be one helluva reporter, but if I can't write well I'm never going to have a byline in the New York Times. And, if I can't write at least tolerably well I'm not going to be selected to do writeups for FBG. It doesn't have to be Hemmingway, but it can't be of really poor quality either.

You don't write well? Still serious about qualifying as one of the 18? Hey, if you believe you have a lot to offer in terms of knowledge and strategy and opinion, don't let your lack of literary training disqualify you. This doesn't have to be a deal breaker. Just be smart about it. Find someone who does write well and have him or her proofread and edit your application (just be sure you commit to having him do the same with your writeups should you be selected).

(3) Based on what I've read so far, I have a few quick hitters for you. There will be lots of applicants for these available spots, and you don't want stupid little things to cause you to lose out when the decisions get difficult.

-- Writing something that violates David's stated rules of application would be viewed by me as an indication of inability to follow directions and therefore warrant a quick disqualification.

-- I can tell you that the selectors don't give a damn what your member number is or isn't. In fact if it were me, I'd view negatively anyone listing it as a presumed advantage.

-- Writing something very short, assuming the selectors are just waiting for YOUR entry, which in effect says "You know who I am, pick me and we'll win" should guarantee you will not be selected. Demonstrating you are not willing to put effort into the application process is a big red flag for me.

-- Be respectful and balanced. The selectors' BS detector is pretty good, and they won't be impressed with excessive bragging, sucking up, or someone with a chip on his shoulder. By excessive bragging, I mean spending a lot of effort telling them how great you are. Spend those words giving them your evidence, and let them evaluate for themselves how good you are.

-- Having been a MBer a long time or being a prolific poster can be an advantage, but only if you make it so. Yes, it helps that your name is known, but it's more important that you LINK to things you've written which demonstrate quality thinking, writing skills, and interest in the hobby.

-- IMHO, being Couch Potato, I think a little subtle humor is a good thing if you can fit it in without distracting from the message. It never hurts to have someone evaluating you with a smile on his face.

Well, that's about it. Good luck to all.

CP

 
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CP-I hope whatever the problem with your family is works out for the better. My best wishes to you and my prayers will be with you brother.

 
My prayers are with you in your difficulties. VERY :goodposting: ...................

but I wish you hadn't been so helpful to my opponents. :P

 
What's a Best Ball auction?
I think it is just a regular auction draft. Once the draft is over, rosters are frozen. Then, each week, your best starting lineup counts. Unlike a survivor league though, no teams are eliminated. I think you play against all other teams in the league each week so the best team goes 11-0 and the worst team goes 0-11. Best overall record at the end of the year would win.I think the Survivor I contest last year was done in best ball format, but was a draft league instead of auction.

 
I mentioned in this thread on Tuesday that I wouldn't be applying for the contest because I have an ill family member that I need to be available for. It didn't occur to me that my explanation would get responses. I'm humbled by the kind words and well wishes I've received in this thread, in PMs, in emails, and even on my league message boards from so many of you. I know I have friends here. FBG is good people. Thank you all so very much.

Bruce

 
2.  The contests will be the following:

A. PPR Survivor, 22 rounds, people eliminated most weeks, amnesty, etc.

B. Best Ball Auction (No PPR), no eliminations

C. FFTOC Format, high score through 16 weeks
these are all survivor types in that we draft then it's done, right? No week to week management?You offerred tons here and please don't misconstrue but in the future please consider adding a traditional redraft league.
The first two have no weekly management. The FFTOC is weekly management
That's the type that sorta took the smallworld.com idea and "ran with it" (enhanced, added, etc) right? IIRC That's your specialty :boxing:
wasn't smallworld a salary cap league where you could use the same player multiple weeks?
Nahand they were a nice little company til some big one bought them up :X

It was simply pick 1 QB 1 WR 1 RB and never the same guy again. Very simple yet very tricky and ya gotta plan well.
Smallworld had a few different games. The one Joffer is talking about is where multiple teams could have the same people. It was about managing your cap and making moves at teh right time. I won the baseball league in 99' (330,000 teams) and havn't played any fantasy baseball since as it takes up so much time. It was very cool though. What David is doing is different
 
- We will lock down all posts at Midnight ET on Tuesday, June 13th. All posts can be edited up until that point.
Is that one minute after 11:59 PM on Monday night?Or is it one minute after 11:59 on Tuesday night?

I'm surprised at the small number of applicants.

 
- We will lock down all posts at Midnight ET on Tuesday, June 13th. All posts can be edited up until that point.
Is that one minute after 11:59 PM on Monday night?Or is it one minute after 11:59 on Tuesday night?

I'm surprised at the small number of applicants.
Wednesday it is dead.
 
Great advice Couch Potato! Glad I read your post.

I have tried to adjust my post based on some of your advice.

:goodposting:

Like others, I wish you the best and pray for blessings for your family situation.

Believe it or not, some things are actually more important than Fantasy Football.

But only a few......... ;)

 
David, can I ask for a quick clarification? In the nomination thread, I noticed that there are some posts with links. These link to written pieces that far surpass the 250 word limit. So does the LINKED MATERIAL count against our word limit? If they don't count, I'll link to my published FBG article.

 
David, can I ask for a quick clarification? In the nomination thread, I noticed that there are some posts with links. These link to written pieces that far surpass the 250 word limit. So does the LINKED MATERIAL count against our word limit? If they don't count, I'll link to my published FBG article.
Just the words in the link count.
 
I have been reading the posts in the nomination thread and can say that, for me,

I only see three posts that really stand out right now:

RikishiBoy - the poem angle is just different. I always gravitate to the odd or different stuff for some reason........

Marvin 88 - Nice links! Proven writer. Grovel boy........grovel......

BassNBrew - Well written. Honest and humble.......

Note: Watched Marvin88, BassNBrew and all the others during the Survivor I contests for the Haiku's and the humorous stories. I also followed the Survivor I league during the year and can say that I enjoyed that contest format and league format. I only wish I could have been a part of it.

 

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