STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)

[Andy Dufresne]

And believe me...I AM a little mad at myself that I'm being so nitpicky and jaded sounding. I understand it's a pretty good ink blot test for me personally.

 

[shader]

Not understanding the hate for adam driver or the character. I think kylo ren came off exactly as JJ wrote it.

Eta: jobber beat me to it. Didnt refresh the page.

I thought Driver was great. And I think he has the potential to be a bad ### villain. In one sense, he's way worse than Vader; Vader couldn't kill his family and turned good when confronted with that choice. Ren went the other way. He's arguably even more evil.

Yep, and arguably has more power from the start than Vader in IV- ie stopping the laser mid shot.

I dunno, Vader just raised his hand and absorbed several point blank shots from Han in Empire. It was cool to stop it mid air, but give me the dude who stops laser blasts with his hand.

That was V.

Yes but it's not like Vader wasn't a super badass in IV. You see what Anakin does in III, Vader in "Rebels".

What exactly does Vader do in IV to make him a super badass? Force choke a henchman and beat a 90 year old jedi who is accepting his death before even walking into the fight?

If that's all we had, not much, but we do have the prequels and other canon to know what he can do.

I get that, but we also needed multiple movies to learn Vader's powers and skills. People seem to be writing off the new bad guy because he doesn't seem to be the badass they think Vader was. Just saying we didn't see Vader do much in the first part of the last series either.

Anyone doing that is just looking to nitpick. Abrams has clearly said that Kylo Ren isn't a Vader yet. He's in the early villain stages, unlike Vader, who was a fully-formed villain when we first saw him. Not to mention the fact that Snoke clearly said that it was time for Kylo to complete his training.

 

[NewlyRetired]

And believe me...I AM a little mad at myself that I'm being so nitpicky and jaded sounding. I understand it's a pretty good ink blot test for me personally.

I don't mean this as a shot against you or anyone else that did not like it but I kind of feel bad for people who have such high expectations and constantly get disappointed. It must be so frustrating to not enjoy even a simple pop corn movie like EP7.

I have a feeling my standards are much lower but at least that allows me to have a good time at a movie like this.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Thought Carrie Fisher was awful. Any scene she was in flopped, particularly those with Harrison Ford.

 

[shader]

I met the second "real-life" human friend of mine that didn't like the movie yesterday. A few of us were trying to question him on why? His answers were really bad. He claimed that the dialogue was horrible as was the storyline.

Again, these people are just looking for attention. I think some people imagine that being a critic of a popular film is a badge of honor, or somehow makes them "smarter" than everyone else. It's fun to watch.

 

[Insein]

The whole setup feels wrong to me.

After 30 years of Republic why is there a "Resistance"? Who/what are they resisting? If it's the First Order, why doesn't the Republic have a military? Is it a militia?

"Hey everyone, grab your X-Wing...we have a battle to fight!"

And how ineffective is the Republic that it a) enabled a gang like the First Order to rise up and b) build a multi-planet killing weapon out of another planet? Super ineffective I guess since they still have princesses and politicians as generals.

And a mega-weapon...again. That has an easily accessible fatal flaw...AGAIN?

Most battle scenes have no urgency because they're being fought by a bunch of Red Shirts and it's hard to care who lives or dies in them.

General Hux is a bad character. I get that he's supposed to be out of his depth and thus required to be blustery but I couldn't buy it. I felt the same as I did with the bad guy in V for Vendetta. He's not menacing- he's a caricature. And those First Order costumes are ridiculous.

Then there's Carrie Fisher. Ooooofff. I know they were trying to go with as many practical effects as possible but they could have CGI'd her an open mouth, right? Or maybe she was entirely CGI and I was just experiencing the Uncanny Valley effect. Or maybe she uses Botox like she used to use (uses?) cocaine. Either way, it was so bad it took me right out of the story.

Han's death on the Guardrail-less Bridge of Dubious Purpose Other Than Dramatic Effect was telegraphed from more than 12 parsecs away (I'll forgive this one since it's still a kid's movie).

Kylo Ren is definitely a Millennial villain. You know damn well what I mean. I bet his most powerful force power is being super ironic.

And how many jails post guards INSIDE the cells? I know they had to show Rey's Force awakening but it's those plot contrivance that drive me crazy. It did in the OTHER jailbreak scene - "hey guys, you don't need to check my security clearance because I'm wearing this Stormtrooper armor. Soooo, I'll just be taking this most important prisoner ever, by myself, to Ren. Cool? Cool."

On the plus side, Ridley and Boyega nailed it. Really, they were terrific.

The lightsaber mystique is cool. How did Maz acquire the Cloud City version and Ben's chest?

The effects ARE really good. BB-8 is a nice addition to the Star Wars universe.

I'll go see it again and maybe this is all a case of it being too far from what I expected but as of now it is a huge letdown.

Almost all of my complaints as well.

 

[shader]

Thought Carrie Fisher was awful. Any scene she was in flopped, particularly those with Harrison Ford.

In a movie full of really good acting, she was definitely the worst. It's probably why she didn't get a lot of lines.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I met the second "real-life" human friend of mine that didn't like the movie yesterday. A few of us were trying to question him on why? His answers were really bad. He claimed that the dialogue was horrible as was the storyline.

Again, these people are just looking for attention. I think some people imagine that being a critic of a popular film is a badge of honor, or somehow makes them "smarter" than everyone else. It's fun to watch.

Yeah. That's it Dr Freud.

 

[Politician Spock]

And believe me...I AM a little mad at myself that I'm being so nitpicky and jaded sounding. I understand it's a pretty good ink blot test for me personally.

I don't mean this as a shot against you or anyone else that did not like it but I kind of feel bad for people who have such high expectations and constantly get disappointed. It must be so frustrating to not enjoy even a simple pop corn movie like EP7.

I have a feeling my standards are much lower but at least that allows me to have a good time at a movie like this.

Well said. I can't imagine living a life with such high expectations that even the best movie to come out in a long time sucks.

Is this how people turn into crotchity old men?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

For you guys that are being nitpicky please go back and watch New Hope and Empire with the same eye and get back to us.

 

[shader]

The whole setup feels wrong to me.

After 30 years of Republic why is there a "Resistance"? Who/what are they resisting? If it's the First Order, why doesn't the Republic have a military? Is it a militia?

"Hey everyone, grab your X-Wing...we have a battle to fight!"

And how ineffective is the Republic that it a) enabled a gang like the First Order to rise up and b) build a multi-planet killing weapon out of another planet? Super ineffective I guess since they still have princesses and politicians as generals.

And a mega-weapon...again. That has an easily accessible fatal flaw...AGAIN?

Most battle scenes have no urgency because they're being fought by a bunch of Red Shirts and it's hard to care who lives or dies in them.

General Hux is a bad character. I get that he's supposed to be out of his depth and thus required to be blustery but I couldn't buy it. I felt the same as I did with the bad guy in V for Vendetta. He's not menacing- he's a caricature. And those First Order costumes are ridiculous.

Then there's Carrie Fisher. Ooooofff. I know they were trying to go with as many practical effects as possible but they could have CGI'd her an open mouth, right? Or maybe she was entirely CGI and I was just experiencing the Uncanny Valley effect. Or maybe she uses Botox like she used to use (uses?) cocaine. Either way, it was so bad it took me right out of the story.

Han's death on the Guardrail-less Bridge of Dubious Purpose Other Than Dramatic Effect was telegraphed from more than 12 parsecs away (I'll forgive this one since it's still a kid's movie).

Kylo Ren is definitely a Millennial villain. You know damn well what I mean. I bet his most powerful force power is being super ironic.

And how many jails post guards INSIDE the cells? I know they had to show Rey's Force awakening but it's those plot contrivance that drive me crazy. It did in the OTHER jailbreak scene - "hey guys, you don't need to check my security clearance because I'm wearing this Stormtrooper armor. Soooo, I'll just be taking this most important prisoner ever, by myself, to Ren. Cool? Cool."

On the plus side, Ridley and Boyega nailed it. Really, they were terrific.

The lightsaber mystique is cool. How did Maz acquire the Cloud City version and Ben's chest?

The effects ARE really good. BB-8 is a nice addition to the Star Wars universe.

I'll go see it again and maybe this is all a case of it being too far from what I expected but as of now it is a huge letdown.

Almost all of my complaints as well.

It's called nitpicking. Little things that aren't really relevant.

Yeah the weapon had a fatal flaw, but it took three people sneaking onto the ground floor, taking a commander hostage, lowering the shields, setting a bunch of explosive devices which creates just enough of a hole for a jet to get in and blow things up. Then once the chain reaction started, the planet was literally a bomb anyway.

I suppose they could have said "well this weapon is too powerful, so I guess the first order wins", but that isn't the way Star Wars movies go.

The Republic is obviously not very effective and not very big. It rose from a shattered empire, and never really seems to have done much. Considering we never really saw the Republic in action and that it was destroyed pretty early on, I would think that's pretty apparent. What's the criticism here? That the Republic wasn't powerful enough?

Hans death was really dramatic. You could hear the gasps and shock going through the audience when it happened. One of the biggest moments in the history of the series.

Was it telegraphed? Yeah probably telegraphed back in the early 1980's when Harrison Ford said he wanted Han to die.

We all knew Harrison wasn't going to be in 3 movies and figured he would die.

I suppose he should have been hit by a random blaster out of nowhere so that it wouldn't be telegraphed?

Some advice for nitpickers. Stop channeling your inner critic, stop being a nerd, go back and watch the movie and enjoy it.

I could pick A New Hope apart in 100 different ways, most notably the horrific acting, but we don't. Why? Because it's Star Wars. It's fun, it's awesome. Just go enjoy it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And believe me...I AM a little mad at myself that I'm being so nitpicky and jaded sounding. I understand it's a pretty good ink blot test for me personally.

I don't mean this as a shot against you or anyone else that did not like it but I kind of feel bad for people who have such high expectations and constantly get disappointed. It must be so frustrating to not enjoy even a simple pop corn movie like EP7.I have a feeling my standards are much lower but at least that allows me to have a good time at a movie like this.

But Star Wars can no longer fit in as a Popcorn Movie. It's too big for that and has been positioned as such.Guardians of the Galaxy was a Popcorn Movie. Star Wars is supposed to be a bit more at this point.

 

[shader]

For you guys that are being nitpicky please go back and watch New Hope and Empire with the same eye and get back to us.

They weren't middle-aged, cynical movie critics when they were 5 years old.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

For you guys that are being nitpicky please go back and watch New Hope and Empire with the same eye and get back to us.

Have been doing it for almost 40 years, friend. The flaws are just not the same or as large. I'm really glad people enjoyed it. I wish I was one of them.

 

[The General]

I met the second "real-life" human friend of mine that didn't like the movie yesterday. A few of us were trying to question him on why? His answers were really bad. He claimed that the dialogue was horrible as was the storyline.

Again, these people are just looking for attention. I think some people imagine that being a critic of a popular film is a badge of honor, or somehow makes them "smarter" than everyone else. It's fun to watch.

Yeah. That's it Dr Freud.

 

[shader]

And believe me...I AM a little mad at myself that I'm being so nitpicky and jaded sounding. I understand it's a pretty good ink blot test for me personally.

I don't mean this as a shot against you or anyone else that did not like it but I kind of feel bad for people who have such high expectations and constantly get disappointed. It must be so frustrating to not enjoy even a simple pop corn movie like EP7.I have a feeling my standards are much lower but at least that allows me to have a good time at a movie like this.

But Star Wars can no longer fit in as a Popcorn Movie. It's too big for that and has been positioned as such.Guardians of the Galaxy was a Popcorn Movie. Star Wars is supposed to be a bit more at this point.

It's the most basic of all movies. When the prequels got away from that, it completely lost the feel.

IV-VI are painfully simple. Good guys vs Bad guys with big weapons, great music, fun action, a few laughs, and a few shocking reveals and deaths. Why was VII supposed to be "a bit more"?

 

[Capella]

Dufresne - for instance you complaining about the Han death is a ridiculous fanboy complaint. My wife who has only seen parts of the original trilogy gasped when he was killed, as did my whole theatre. You saying it was telegraphed is because you already knew he was going to die because you're too "inside".

You probably fit into less than 1% of the people watching this movie. They aren't going to change it just so some internet mark can be impressed with the out of nowhere death scene.

 

[shader]

For you guys that are being nitpicky please go back and watch New Hope and Empire with the same eye and get back to us.

Have been doing it for almost 40 years, friend. The flaws are just not the same or as large.I'm really glad people enjoyed it. I wish I was one of them.

One of your "flaws" was "Kylo Ren is definitely a Millennial Villain".

Cmon man.

It's cool to say you didn't like it. But none of your flaws are significant. They are all quite nitpicky.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

For you guys that are being nitpicky please go back and watch New Hope and Empire with the same eye and get back to us.

Have been doing it for almost 40 years, friend. The flaws are just not the same or as large.I'm really glad people enjoyed it. I wish I was one of them.

Really?? The Empire cant find the last jedi that happens to be on the same planet that his father is from and just so happens to have the same last name, and just so happens to be living with his uncle who is not in hiding and has the same last name, and his father just so happens to be the most force sensitive ever? Gotcha

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Dufresne - for instance you complaining about the Han death is a ridiculous fanboy complaint. My wife who has only seen parts of the original trilogy gasped when he was killed, as did my whole theatre. You saying it was telegraphed is because you already knew he was going to die because you're too "inside".

You probably fit into less than 1% of the people watching this movie. They aren't going to change it just so some internet mark can be impressed with the out of nowhere death scene.

I suppose I've watched too many movies.The heroes split up. Ren sensed Han and baited him onto the bridge. I don't think you need Force powers to see how that plays out.

 

[Capella]

Dufresne - for instance you complaining about the Han death is a ridiculous fanboy complaint. My wife who has only seen parts of the original trilogy gasped when he was killed, as did my whole theatre. You saying it was telegraphed is because you already knew he was going to die because you're too "inside".

You probably fit into less than 1% of the people watching this movie. They aren't going to change it just so some internet mark can be impressed with the out of nowhere death scene.

I suppose I've watched too many movies.The heroes split up. Ren sensed Han and baited him onto the bridge. I don't think you need Force powers to see how that plays out.

Nope. But it was still shocking to many. Not all of the people watching have insider theories on the message boards.

 

[shader]

Dufresne - for instance you complaining about the Han death is a ridiculous fanboy complaint. My wife who has only seen parts of the original trilogy gasped when he was killed, as did my whole theatre. You saying it was telegraphed is because you already knew he was going to die because you're too "inside".

You probably fit into less than 1% of the people watching this movie. They aren't going to change it just so some internet mark can be impressed with the out of nowhere death scene.

I suppose I've watched too many movies.The heroes split up. Ren sensed Han and baited him onto the bridge. I don't think you need Force powers to see how that plays out.

But Kylo was a Millennial villain, and they are very moody, so you never know....

 

[Politician Spock]

And believe me...I AM a little mad at myself that I'm being so nitpicky and jaded sounding. I understand it's a pretty good ink blot test for me personally.

I don't mean this as a shot against you or anyone else that did not like it but I kind of feel bad for people who have such high expectations and constantly get disappointed. It must be so frustrating to not enjoy even a simple pop corn movie like EP7.I have a feeling my standards are much lower but at least that allows me to have a good time at a movie like this.

But Star Wars can no longer fit in as a Popcorn Movie. It's too big for that and has been positioned as such.Guardians of the Galaxy was a Popcorn Movie. Star Wars is supposed to be a bit more at this point.

A bit more what?.... Real?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

For you guys that are being nitpicky please go back and watch New Hope and Empire with the same eye and get back to us.

Have been doing it for almost 40 years, friend. The flaws are just not the same or as large.I'm really glad people enjoyed it. I wish I was one of them.

Really?? The Empire cant find the last jedi that happens to be on the same planet that his father is from and just so happens to have the same last name, and just so happens to be living with his uncle who is not in hiding and has the same last name, and his father just so happens to be the most force sensitive ever? Gotcha

Tatooine was a nothing planet in the middle of nowhere with no Imperial presence. It was controlled by the Hutts. And his uncle's last name was Lars.And Vader didn't know about Luke's existence and thus had no reason to look for him.

And if the emperor had knowledge of Luke it was in his interest to keep him there until he needed to replace Vader.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Dufresne - for instance you complaining about the Han death is a ridiculous fanboy complaint. My wife who has only seen parts of the original trilogy gasped when he was killed, as did my whole theatre. You saying it was telegraphed is because you already knew he was going to die because you're too "inside".

You probably fit into less than 1% of the people watching this movie. They aren't going to change it just so some internet mark can be impressed with the out of nowhere death scene.

I suppose I've watched too many movies.The heroes split up. Ren sensed Han and baited him onto the bridge. I don't think you need Force powers to see how that plays out.

But Kylo was a Millennial villain, and they are very moody, so you never know....

Try not to take it personally. That part was a joke.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And believe me...I AM a little mad at myself that I'm being so nitpicky and jaded sounding. I understand it's a pretty good ink blot test for me personally.

I don't mean this as a shot against you or anyone else that did not like it but I kind of feel bad for people who have such high expectations and constantly get disappointed. It must be so frustrating to not enjoy even a simple pop corn movie like EP7.I have a feeling my standards are much lower but at least that allows me to have a good time at a movie like this.

But Star Wars can no longer fit in as a Popcorn Movie. It's too big for that and has been positioned as such.Guardians of the Galaxy was a Popcorn Movie. Star Wars is supposed to be a bit more at this point.

A bit more what?.... Real?

More than "just a Popcorn Movie."

 

[Jobber]

Thought Carrie Fisher was awful. Any scene she was in flopped, particularly those with Harrison Ford.

I think that's why they limited her screen time.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Folks. I'm not saying you're wrong or "simple" or whatever for liking it.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

For you guys that are being nitpicky please go back and watch New Hope and Empire with the same eye and get back to us.

Have been doing it for almost 40 years, friend. The flaws are just not the same or as large.I'm really glad people enjoyed it. I wish I was one of them.

Really?? The Empire cant find the last jedi that happens to be on the same planet that his father is from and just so happens to have the same last name, and just so happens to be living with his uncle who is not in hiding and has the same last name, and his father just so happens to be the most force sensitive ever? Gotcha

Tatooine was a nothing planet in the middle of nowhere with no Imperial presence. It was controlled by the Hutts. And his uncle's last name was Lars.And Vader didn't know about Luke's existence and thus had no reason to look for him.

And if the emperor had knowledge of Luke it was in his interest to keep him there until he needed to replace Vader.

Tatooin was freaking Vaders home planet, Uncle Owen had a Skywalker stepmother who was mother to Vader and you are willing to buy that Vader couldn't sense his own son's presence, even though its shown later that he could. C'mon dude. You are a being a bit of a fraud here.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

For you guys that are being nitpicky please go back and watch New Hope and Empire with the same eye and get back to us.

Have been doing it for almost 40 years, friend. The flaws are just not the same or as large.I'm really glad people enjoyed it. I wish I was one of them.

Really?? The Empire cant find the last jedi that happens to be on the same planet that his father is from and just so happens to have the same last name, and just so happens to be living with his uncle who is not in hiding and has the same last name, and his father just so happens to be the most force sensitive ever? Gotcha

Tatooine was a nothing planet in the middle of nowhere with no Imperial presence. It was controlled by the Hutts. And his uncle's last name was Lars.And Vader didn't know about Luke's existence and thus had no reason to look for him.

And if the emperor had knowledge of Luke it was in his interest to keep him there until he needed to replace Vader.

Tatooin was freaking Vaders home planet, Uncle Owen had a Skywalker stepmother who was mother to Vader and you are willing to buy that Vader couldn't sense his own son's presence, even though its shown later that he could. C'mon dude. You are a being a bit of a fraud here.

Vader could sense him when he was near, not half a galaxy away. He didn't have Cerebro in his stasis pod.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

For you guys that are being nitpicky please go back and watch New Hope and Empire with the same eye and get back to us.

Have been doing it for almost 40 years, friend. The flaws are just not the same or as large.I'm really glad people enjoyed it. I wish I was one of them.

Really?? The Empire cant find the last jedi that happens to be on the same planet that his father is from and just so happens to have the same last name, and just so happens to be living with his uncle who is not in hiding and has the same last name, and his father just so happens to be the most force sensitive ever? Gotcha

Tatooine was a nothing planet in the middle of nowhere with no Imperial presence. It was controlled by the Hutts. And his uncle's last name was Lars.And Vader didn't know about Luke's existence and thus had no reason to look for him.

And if the emperor had knowledge of Luke it was in his interest to keep him there until he needed to replace Vader.

Tatooin was freaking Vaders home planet, Uncle Owen had a Skywalker stepmother who was mother to Vader and you are willing to buy that Vader couldn't sense his own son's presence, even though its shown later that he could. C'mon dude. You are a being a bit of a fraud here.

Vader could sense him when he was near, not half a galaxy away. He didn't have Cerebro in his stasis pod.

Once again you are buying into what you want to buy into. FRAUD I SAY!

 

[fruity pebbles]

Folks. I'm not saying you're wrong or "simple" or whatever for liking it.

Im with you man, i was disappointed too. Really think this movie would be in the 60s on RT if it didnt have the Star Wars name and the last 3 movies werent so attrocious. After those 3, virtually anything seems oscar worthy. Did have the Star Wars feel which was nice, didnt think it was a bad movie, good actually. Just not my kind of movie anymore i guess.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

For you guys that are being nitpicky please go back and watch New Hope and Empire with the same eye and get back to us.

Have been doing it for almost 40 years, friend. The flaws are just not the same or as large.I'm really glad people enjoyed it. I wish I was one of them.

Really?? The Empire cant find the last jedi that happens to be on the same planet that his father is from and just so happens to have the same last name, and just so happens to be living with his uncle who is not in hiding and has the same last name, and his father just so happens to be the most force sensitive ever? Gotcha

Tatooine was a nothing planet in the middle of nowhere with no Imperial presence. It was controlled by the Hutts. And his uncle's last name was Lars.And Vader didn't know about Luke's existence and thus had no reason to look for him.

And if the emperor had knowledge of Luke it was in his interest to keep him there until he needed to replace Vader.

Tatooin was freaking Vaders home planet, Uncle Owen had a Skywalker stepmother who was mother to Vader and you are willing to buy that Vader couldn't sense his own son's presence, even though its shown later that he could. C'mon dude. You are a being a bit of a fraud here.

Vader could sense him when he was near, not half a galaxy away. He didn't have Cerebro in his stasis pod.

Are you also willing to buy that he was in the same room with Luke a few times before he know that Luke was his son?

 

[bentley]

Folks. I'm not saying you're wrong or "simple" or whatever for liking it.

Seriously. I loved I but I'm Team Andy here. Nothing wrong with discussing some weaknesses.

 

[Insein]

Guess I'll go into the next movie expecting another death Star and more generic good vs bad plot set in generic galaxy X, so I'm not disappointed this time.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

After seeing it a second time I think Rey could just as likely be Luke's or Han/Leia's.

Han and leia 100% know something about Rey. Whether it's Luke's daughter or theirs, I can't be sure. Too many looks, body language, that hug etc. similar to how Obi-wan hesitates when telling Luke what happened to his father the first time.

The huge chasm that opens between Rey and Kylo also very symbolic.

The way Luke looks at her is with big regret and pride though. He's sad that's it's come to this but knows what he has to do.

Kylo was hurt bad by chewie's blast. He was basically ####### with Finn although Finn has skill. Once Finn nicked him, Kylo disarmed him and injured him almost fatally.

Kylo was scared of Rey at first. Then was aggressive but again ####### with her because needed to take her alive.

Rey getting in Han Solo seat instead of being chewie's copilot also big possible clue. But the whole R2 waking for her ....

Oh I think Kylo suspects she's somebody he knows.

Han knows something. Don't think falcon there randomly either.

Han and leia scenes have a lot more than what's on surface. Han has looks that he gives himself. There's going to be some twist in episode 8.

I think finn's backstory will be important. He may end up with the force as well.

I agree that the Resistence exisitng as opposed to The Republic just having a military doesn't make sense. Also is unclear what planets were destroyed and why (senate?).

 

[dparker713]

The whole setup feels wrong to me.

After 30 years of Republic why is there a "Resistance"? Who/what are they resisting? If it's the First Order, why doesn't the Republic have a military? Is it a militia?

"Hey everyone, grab your X-Wing...we have a battle to fight!"

And how ineffective is the Republic that it a) enabled a gang like the First Order to rise up and b) build a multi-planet killing weapon out of another planet? Super ineffective I guess since they still have princesses and politicians as generals.

Most battle scenes have no urgency because they're being fought by a bunch of Red Shirts and it's hard to care who lives or dies in them

I don't get why you'd have a hard time accepting there are multiple governments in the galaxy. The Empire couldn't control all the systems under its nominal authority. And avoiding an all out war with a new government in the outer rim seems perfectly reasonable.

And please with the red shirt thing. The only character we knew at all in the Battle of Yavin was Luke. Everyone else in that sequence is a red shirt

 

[AcerFC]

I agree that the Resistence exisitng as opposed to The Republic just having a military doesn't make sense. Also is unclear what planets were destroyed and why (senate?).

I believe the novel goes into this in a lot more detail. But I think you are right. Its where the government was.

 

[beer 30]

Thought Carrie Fisher was awful. Any scene she was in flopped, particularly those with Harrison Ford.

I think that's why they limited her screen time.

And it was still too much. I think that was my biggest problem with the movie, the acting of Carrie Fisher & Harrison Ford. They were bad in a way that really took away from the really, really good that was going on. And what's worse is they only got rid of half of the issue. Fisher isn't going anywhere unless they blow up her planet with a new generation death asteroid or something. Which I would thoroughly be in favor of.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

It sounds like the Republic was secretly supporting the Resistence. Not sure why that would have been necessary.

 

[dparker713]

It sounds like the Republic was secretly supporting the Resistence. Not sure why that would have been necessary.

It would be a war by proxy.

 

[Capella]

Thought Carrie Fisher was awful. Any scene she was in flopped, particularly those with Harrison Ford.

I think that's why they limited her screen time.

And it was still too much. I think that was my biggest problem with the movie, the acting of Carrie Fisher & Harrison Ford. They were bad in a way that really took away from the really, really good that was going on. And what's worse is they only got rid of half of the issue. Fisher isn't going anywhere unless they blow up her planet with a new generation death asteroid or something. Which I would thoroughly be in favor of.

I thought ford was terrific. Fisher was obviously awful.

 

[bentley]

Thought Carrie Fisher was awful. Any scene she was in flopped, particularly those with Harrison Ford.

I think that's why they limited her screen time.

And it was still too much. I think that was my biggest problem with the movie, the acting of Carrie Fisher & Harrison Ford. They were bad in a way that really took away from the really, really good that was going on. And what's worse is they only got rid of half of the issue. Fisher isn't going anywhere unless they blow up her planet with a new generation death asteroid or something. Which I would thoroughly be in favor of.

I thought ford was terrific. Fisher was obviously awful.

I agree. He did grizzled Han way better than grizzled Indy. Assuming that the script he had to work with is a big part of it.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

It sounds like the Republic was secretly supporting the Resistence. Not sure why that would have been necessary.

It would be a war by proxy.

So maybe there was some treaty where the systems that were occupied by the First Order were not technically a part of the Republic (along with other neutral self governed systems) and they agreed to let those systems be ruled outside of the Republic government. But there was a faction within the Republic that recognized that the First Order was gaining power and influence and doing something more. So the Resistence was formed with secret supplies and financing by the Republic to put them down?Kind of like that.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Folks. I'm not saying you're wrong or "simple" or whatever for liking it.

Apologize if you answered elsewhere, but was VII better than the prequels, not as good, or on par with?

 

[need2know]

Yeah ford was awesome, but I'm biased towards him. He's prob like my favorite from when I was growing up between Indiana Jones and Han solo

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Folks. I'm not saying you're wrong or "simple" or whatever for liking it.

Apologize if you answered elsewhere, but was VII better than the prequels, not as good, or on par with?

Definitely better than.

 

[Capella]

Dufresne - for instance you complaining about the Han death is a ridiculous fanboy complaint. My wife who has only seen parts of the original trilogy gasped when he was killed, as did my whole theatre. You saying it was telegraphed is because you already knew he was going to die because you're too "inside".

You probably fit into less than 1% of the people watching this movie. They aren't going to change it just so some internet mark can be impressed with the out of nowhere death scene.

I suppose I've watched too many movies.The heroes split up. Ren sensed Han and baited him onto the bridge. I don't think you need Force powers to see how that plays out.

I'd say it's more that you just can't allow yourself to enjoy a movie.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

For you guys that are being nitpicky please go back and watch New Hope and Empire with the same eye and get back to us.

Have been doing it for almost 40 years, friend. The flaws are just not the same or as large.I'm really glad people enjoyed it. I wish I was one of them.

Really?? The Empire cant find the last jedi that happens to be on the same planet that his father is from and just so happens to have the same last name, and just so happens to be living with his uncle who is not in hiding and has the same last name, and his father just so happens to be the most force sensitive ever? Gotcha

Tatooine was a nothing planet in the middle of nowhere with no Imperial presence. It was controlled by the Hutts. And his uncle's last name was Lars.And Vader didn't know about Luke's existence and thus had no reason to look for him.

And if the emperor had knowledge of Luke it was in his interest to keep him there until he needed to replace Vader.

Tatooin was freaking Vaders home planet, Uncle Owen had a Skywalker stepmother who was mother to Vader and you are willing to buy that Vader couldn't sense his own son's presence, even though its shown later that he could. C'mon dude. You are a being a bit of a fraud here.

Vader could sense him when he was near, not half a galaxy away. He didn't have Cerebro in his stasis pod.

Are you also willing to buy that he was in the same room with Luke a few times before he know that Luke was his son?

No he wasn't. The first time they "share a room" is on Cloud City.He senses him first during the trench run on the first Death Star because it's there that the Force really begins to awaken in him.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Dufresne - for instance you complaining about the Han death is a ridiculous fanboy complaint. My wife who has only seen parts of the original trilogy gasped when he was killed, as did my whole theatre. You saying it was telegraphed is because you already knew he was going to die because you're too "inside".

You probably fit into less than 1% of the people watching this movie. They aren't going to change it just so some internet mark can be impressed with the out of nowhere death scene.

I suppose I've watched too many movies.The heroes split up. Ren sensed Han and baited him onto the bridge. I don't think you need Force powers to see how that plays out.

I'd say it's more that you just can't allow yourself to enjoy a movie.

That would be true if I didn't enjoy any movies. But that's not true either.You guys aren't very good at psychoanalysis.