STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)

[NewlyRetired]

With the popularity of the new Star Wars franchise, can a Babylon 5 movie be far behind?

JMS announced during ComicCon this summer that he was about to get started writing a reboot movie.

His hope was to get into production in 2016.

http://www.tvwise.co.uk/2014/08/babylon-5-movie-eyes-2016-production-start/

 

[Rohn Jambo]

James Cameron announcement on Avatar sequel.

http://www.9news.com.au/entertainment/2015/12/24/12/35/director-james-cameron-announces-release-date-for-highly-anticipated-sequel-to-avatar

 

[Slapdash]

How would they do that though? "Uhhhhhhh just forget those first 3 movies that grossed a couple of billion?"

It's JJ. Just use some kind of wormhole time jump thingy. It worked on Star Trek.

Not really

 

[Capella]

James Cameron announcement on Avatar sequel.

http://www.9news.com.au/entertainment/2015/12/24/12/35/director-james-cameron-announces-release-date-for-highly-anticipated-sequel-to-avatar

4 of those movies. My God. I guess people loved them.

 

[tommyboy]

Look, no one flaw is all that egregious. But they add up to a total where it affects my enjoyment.

Go see it again, the 2nd time is best. I had a few of your reactions the 1st time. The 2nd time I saw it I paid more attention to the things I missed the first time and came away more impressed. It's everything George Lucas wished he could have done

 

[Slapdash]

There's a difference between plot holes and stuff that just doesn't work.

And you do not think there was anything in the first three that "just didn't work"?

Not much in the first two. A few in Jedi. Just about everything in the prequels.

Something as simple as the Rebels paying off Han's debt to Jabba?

Sure.This is getting less fun the more I realize you're genuinely being a #### about this.

I am not trying to be a jerk. But you act as if there aren't some very questionable "things that don't work" in the originals. Thats all.

Those exist in all of these movies. It doesn't stop them from being entertaining. It isn't crazy that people point them out. It is expected that people are more forgiving on movies from 30-40 years ago.

 

[Sand]

With the popularity of the new Star Wars franchise, can a Babylon 5 movie be far behind?

JMS announced during ComicCon this summer that he was about to get started writing a reboot movie.

His hope was to get into production in 2016.

http://www.tvwise.co.uk/2014/08/babylon-5-movie-eyes-2016-production-start/

With the popularity of the new Star Wars franchise, can a Babylon 5 movie be far behind?

Time for another Spaceballs IMO

I know I'm in the minority, but the first one was garbage

 

[dparker713]

James Cameron announcement on Avatar sequel.

http://www.9news.com.au/entertainment/2015/12/24/12/35/director-james-cameron-announces-release-date-for-highly-anticipated-sequel-to-avatar

4 of those movies. My God. I guess people loved them.

That movie is absolutely horrible outside of the 3D stuff

 

[Otis]

James Cameron announcement on Avatar sequel.

http://www.9news.com.au/entertainment/2015/12/24/12/35/director-james-cameron-announces-release-date-for-highly-anticipated-sequel-to-avatar

4 of those movies. My God. I guess people loved them.

One of the dumbest cartoons I've ever seen. Couldn't believe grown men here in the FFA going bananas over that one.

 

[Capella]

James Cameron announcement on Avatar sequel.

http://www.9news.com.au/entertainment/2015/12/24/12/35/director-james-cameron-announces-release-date-for-highly-anticipated-sequel-to-avatar

4 of those movies. My God. I guess people loved them.

That movie is absolutely horrible outside of the 3D stuff

Yes. I could see how people would enjoy the 3D. I did. Terrible story though. Disney is transforming like a quarter of their animal kingdom park into avatar-land as well.

 

[PatsWillWin]

James Cameron announcement on Avatar sequel.

http://www.9news.com.au/entertainment/2015/12/24/12/35/director-james-cameron-announces-release-date-for-highly-anticipated-sequel-to-avatar

4 of those movies. My God. I guess people loved them.

That movie is absolutely horrible outside of the 3D stuff

Yeah, and the 3D stuff was boring after about 15 minutes. Absolute garbage of a movie.

 

[Insein]

James Cameron announcement on Avatar sequel.

http://www.9news.com.au/entertainment/2015/12/24/12/35/director-james-cameron-announces-release-date-for-highly-anticipated-sequel-to-avatar

4 of those movies. My God. I guess people loved them.

That might be my least favorite movie of all time. Hot garbage.

 

[Insein]

Look, no one flaw is all that egregious. But they add up to a total where it affects my enjoyment.

Go see it again, the 2nd time is best. I had a few of your reactions the 1st time. The 2nd time I saw it I paid more attention to the things I missed the first time and came away more impressed. It's everything George Lucas wished he could have done

I'm going this week again. I hope I have a better reaction second time. My expectations shouldn't be a factor now.

 

[dparker713]

James Cameron announcement on Avatar sequel.

http://www.9news.com.au/entertainment/2015/12/24/12/35/director-james-cameron-announces-release-date-for-highly-anticipated-sequel-to-avatar

4 of those movies. My God. I guess people loved them.

That might be my least favorite movie of all time. Hot garbage.

I think Titanic is worse. Some lady spends her life with her husband, has children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. As she's about to die she literally throws away millions and dreams of some snot nosed punk she ####ed in a car and then shoves into the icy ocean to die. Talk about a grade a A #####.

 

[Insein]

James Cameron announcement on Avatar sequel.

http://www.9news.com.au/entertainment/2015/12/24/12/35/director-james-cameron-announces-release-date-for-highly-anticipated-sequel-to-avatar

4 of those movies. My God. I guess people loved them.

That might be my least favorite movie of all time. Hot garbage.

I think Titanic is worse. Some lady spends her life with her husband, has children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. As she's about to die she literally throws away millions and dreams of some snot nosed punk she ####ed in a car and then shoves into the icy ocean to die. Talk about a grade a A #####.

Still better than Unobtanium.

 

[PatsWillWin]

James Cameron announcement on Avatar sequel.

http://www.9news.com.au/entertainment/2015/12/24/12/35/director-james-cameron-announces-release-date-for-highly-anticipated-sequel-to-avatar

4 of those movies. My God. I guess people loved them.

That might be my least favorite movie of all time. Hot garbage.

I think Titanic is worse. Some lady spends her life with her husband, has children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. As she's about to die she literally throws away millions and dreams of some snot nosed punk she ####ed in a car and then shoves into the icy ocean to die. Talk about a grade a A #####.

Still better than Unobtanium.

This is the first thing I cite when talking about how ####ty a movie Avatar is. It's just emblematic of the incredibly unoriginal, non-sensical, ######ed writing.

 

[dparker713]

James Cameron announcement on Avatar sequel.

http://www.9news.com.au/entertainment/2015/12/24/12/35/director-james-cameron-announces-release-date-for-highly-anticipated-sequel-to-avatar

4 of those movies. My God. I guess people loved them.

That might be my least favorite movie of all time. Hot garbage.

I think Titanic is worse. Some lady spends her life with her husband, has children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. As she's about to die she literally throws away millions and dreams of some snot nosed punk she ####ed in a car and then shoves into the icy ocean to die. Talk about a grade a A #####.

Still better than Unobtanium.

Come on. The Core is easy rewatchable cheesy sci-fi

 

[Insein]

James Cameron announcement on Avatar sequel.

http://www.9news.com.au/entertainment/2015/12/24/12/35/director-james-cameron-announces-release-date-for-highly-anticipated-sequel-to-avatar

4 of those movies. My God. I guess people loved them.

That might be my least favorite movie of all time. Hot garbage.

I think Titanic is worse. Some lady spends her life with her husband, has children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. As she's about to die she literally throws away millions and dreams of some snot nosed punk she ####ed in a car and then shoves into the icy ocean to die. Talk about a grade a A #####.

Still better than Unobtanium.

Come on. The Core is easy rewatchable cheesy sci-fi

Yea because it doesn't take itself too seriously and has some interesting Sci Fi concepts that have only been touched on in older films that couldn't do the effects Justice.

I genuinely believe Cameron and his Hollywood cronies thought that was an Oscar worthy film.

 

[jon_mx]

One thing I was going to ask was what happened to Han in the 30 years since ROTJ? He was pretty much royalty and a rock star then, had earned multiple rewards and a king's ransom for what he had done, and likely would never have to pay for a drink or a meal again. So he went back to being a two bit smuggler and running a freighter? I understand that was the character that people wanted to remember, but if he wanted to get out of the limelight would he have gone back to living paycheck to paycheck/one transport at a time?

Just would have been nice if they threw in that he blew through his money, gambled it away, someone had robbed him blind, etc. to explain how after 30 years he was back to where he started.

Han blew all his wealth on hookers and blow.

 

[bagger]

But there was a reason for the Rebellion to exist.

And I cared when it was Luke in the X-Wing attacking the Death Star.

And there was a time when the Death Star was a new idea. But that was two planet killing buildings ago.

And Tarkin was cool and threatening. Hux is ridiculous.

I disagree that the SAME criticisms can all be levelled on the old movies.

you really think a rag tag bunch of rebels could initiate regime change throughout an entire galaxy by blowing up a space station? The United States can't even do it on a backwater desert country in the Middle East. Of course the republic is not strong enough to totally take over the galaxy and if they were portrayed as such people would be complaining about that.It's simple, the republic isn't that strong. They were able to gain hold of some planets, but not others. On the ones they didn't they are secretly financing the resistance to fight against the first order on their planets while the republic formally tries to establish law and order on the ones they control. They aren't strong enough to wage a full scale war against the first order which is militaristicly still stronger.

This is not complicated people.

Yes it is.This is 30 years after Endor.

i am sure the special forces ewok unit sent to Planet X was enough to maintain the republics dominance over the empire.

Did you miss the part at the end of ROTJ that shows an entire galaxy relieved that he Empire has ended? There was a Senate up until the Emperor dissolved it. It's reasonable to assume it was reconstituted quickly and certainly early in the 30 year interim.

everyone in Iraq was relieved when saddam was toppled. Now we have Isis.

 

[jon_mx]

I wonder if the Republic had the debates on whether it was better not to call it the evil empire out of fear of radicalizing them.

 

[PatsWillWin]

But there was a reason for the Rebellion to exist.

And I cared when it was Luke in the X-Wing attacking the Death Star.

And there was a time when the Death Star was a new idea. But that was two planet killing buildings ago.

And Tarkin was cool and threatening. Hux is ridiculous.

I disagree that the SAME criticisms can all be levelled on the old movies.

you really think a rag tag bunch of rebels could initiate regime change throughout an entire galaxy by blowing up a space station? The United States can't even do it on a backwater desert country in the Middle East. Of course the republic is not strong enough to totally take over the galaxy and if they were portrayed as such people would be complaining about that.It's simple, the republic isn't that strong. They were able to gain hold of some planets, but not others. On the ones they didn't they are secretly financing the resistance to fight against the first order on their planets while the republic formally tries to establish law and order on the ones they control. They aren't strong enough to wage a full scale war against the first order which is militaristicly still stronger.

This is not complicated people.

Yes it is.This is 30 years after Endor.

i am sure the special forces ewok unit sent to Planet X was enough to maintain the republics dominance over the empire.

Did you miss the part at the end of ROTJ that shows an entire galaxy relieved that he Empire has ended? There was a Senate up until the Emperor dissolved it. It's reasonable to assume it was reconstituted quickly and certainly early in the 30 year interim.

everyone in Iraq was relieved when saddam was toppled. Now we have Isis.

Yeah. They were celebrating the Emperor dying, not sure that it was the Empire was dead. And even if it is dead, that doesn't magically put the Republic in control of everything. You will have splinter organizations, certain governors that were put in place by the Empire (in IV when the Senate was dissolved), etc. Big mess to clean up.

That said, I agree with this part of Andy's criticism - I still have no why why the "Resistance" was not simply the Republic's army. Why the Republic had to "hide" the fact that it supported the Resistance in its fight against the First Order, or even what the First Order exactly is. Do they represent a certain group of systems? Are they just a big army dressed in cool looking, Empire-style uniforms, chilling on a planet waiting to blow #### up again?

They could've made this part a little (a lot) clearer.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Well I googled it and found this article, which explains a lot, apparently mostly from the novel version. That's pretty crappy that all of this background was left out of the movie. It would've taken an extra scrolling paragraph, that's it.

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/star-wars-force-awakens-spoilers-first-order-resistance-and-republic-explained-499823

 

[dparker713]

Well I googled it and found this article, which explains a lot, apparently mostly from the novel version. That's pretty crappy that all of this background was left out of the movie. It would've taken an extra scrolling paragraph, that's it.

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/star-wars-force-awakens-spoilers-first-order-resistance-and-republic-explained-499823

The background is nice, I just don't think it's necessary. The story is about the efforts of two groups at war and trying to find Luke.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Well I googled it and found this article, which explains a lot, apparently mostly from the novel version. That's pretty crappy that all of this background was left out of the movie. It would've taken an extra scrolling paragraph, that's it.

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/star-wars-force-awakens-spoilers-first-order-resistance-and-republic-explained-499823

The background is nice, I just don't think it's necessary. The story is about the efforts of two groups at war and trying to find Luke.

I've started writing this post like five times, keep deleting it. I'm at a loss as to how you can say that it's unnecessary to know this information about the two groups - especially when the movie treats them as three groups.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

26 questions (mostly) answered:

www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-questions/

I'm going to like this a lot more the second time. I'll just take a potty break when Carrie Fisher has her big scene.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Big picture though re: AD, if you go into a space opera/action movie and get bothered by things like "What kind of prison puts guards inside the cell?" I don't think you're going to have a good time. And as has been pointed out here, there are Grand Canyon size holes/leaps in the original trilogy that get overlooked, mostly because we were all younger when we saw them.

I'm not sure who Rey's parents end up being, but I really hope she's a nobody. I would really hate it if she turns out to be a Skywalker. It just makes the universe feel very small when everyone is related to each other. A droid with a secret map to Luke Skywalker just happens to roll by Skywalker's secret/hidden/abandoned daughter in the middle of a desert planet? That would annoy me.

And, case in point, that's not too dissimilar to what happened in IV (a message sent by Luke's sister ends up in a droid that is sold to Luke's adoptive uncle), but I don't mind it in IV because, you know, I saw it as a dumb kid.

But Rey being Skywalker's kid will be the third main character being someone's kid, just stop already.

 

[dparker713]

Well I googled it and found this article, which explains a lot, apparently mostly from the novel version. That's pretty crappy that all of this background was left out of the movie. It would've taken an extra scrolling paragraph, that's it.

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/star-wars-force-awakens-spoilers-first-order-resistance-and-republic-explained-499823

The background is nice, I just don't think it's necessary. The story is about the efforts of two groups at war and trying to find Luke.

I've started writing this post like five times, keep deleting it. I'm at a loss as to how you can say that it's unnecessary to know this information about the two groups - especially when the movie treats them as three groups.

There are 3 groups but the movie only really deals with 2 of them.

And as for the rest of the background, that's about how I figured things were in my head. Not so much that the First Order had reappeared recently but everything else was fairly the same.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Big picture though re: AD, if you go into a space opera/action movie and get bothered by things like "What kind of prison puts guards inside the cell?" I don't think you're going to have a good time. And as has been pointed out here, there are Grand Canyon size holes/leaps in the original trilogy that get overlooked, mostly because we were all younger when we saw them.

Like I said before, any one of them isn't too bad but when they pile up the conveniences (Not necessarily the inconsistencies) really begin to bother me. It's an actual physical feeling I get of approaching the "You have exceeded the level of disbelief I am willing to suspend." It's a high, but not unlimited threshold.

 

[Mario Kart]

Well I googled it and found this article, which explains a lot, apparently mostly from the novel version. That's pretty crappy that all of this background was left out of the movie. It would've taken an extra scrolling paragraph, that's it.

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/star-wars-force-awakens-spoilers-first-order-resistance-and-republic-explained-499823

The background is nice, I just don't think it's necessary. The story is about the efforts of two groups at war and trying to find Luke.

I've started writing this post like five times, keep deleting it. I'm at a loss as to how you can say that it's unnecessary to know this information about the two groups - especially when the movie treats them as three groups.

I'm getting sick and tired of substandard writing and how lazy these writers have been lately. Where are the days where we can see lightsabers but have a movie written like Casablanca? Or, written like the Ten Commandments? Enough is enough.

 

[FUBAR]

Big picture though re: AD, if you go into a space opera/action movie and get bothered by things like "What kind of prison puts guards inside the cell?" I don't think you're going to have a good time. And as has been pointed out here, there are Grand Canyon size holes/leaps in the original trilogy that get overlooked, mostly because we were all younger when we saw them.

I'm not sure who Rey's parents end up being, but I really hope she's a nobody. I would really hate it if she turns out to be a Skywalker. It just makes the universe feel very small when everyone is related to each other. A droid with a secret map to Luke Skywalker just happens to roll by Skywalker's secret/hidden/abandoned daughter in the middle of a desert planet? That would annoy me.

And, case in point, that's not too dissimilar to what happened in IV (a message sent by Luke's sister ends up in a droid that is sold to Luke's adoptive uncle), but I don't mind it in IV because, you know, I saw it as a dumb kid.

But Rey being Skywalker's kid will be the third main character being someone's kid, just stop already.

That, and when something happens once it can be explained - they knew where to find Ben (maybe Leia set the coordinates in r2d2 and she knew as she has the force), Ben was on the same planet as Luke to watch over him. The selling part we just accept, once. It's the repetition that kills our level of disbelief.

I want Rey to have been trained by Luke before Kylo went to the dark side and Luke, being a manic depressive with daddy issues, stopped training Jedi and became a recluse. I'd have to rewatch to remember, but did Rey ever say the Jedi weren't real or was that fin and she played dumb? Didn't she say "you're the Han solo who worked with Luke. .."?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Big picture though re: AD, if you go into a space opera/action movie and get bothered by things like "What kind of prison puts guards inside the cell?" I don't think you're going to have a good time. And as has been pointed out here, there are Grand Canyon size holes/leaps in the original trilogy that get overlooked, mostly because we were all younger when we saw them.

I'm not sure who Rey's parents end up being, but I really hope she's a nobody. I would really hate it if she turns out to be a Skywalker. It just makes the universe feel very small when everyone is related to each other. A droid with a secret map to Luke Skywalker just happens to roll by Skywalker's secret/hidden/abandoned daughter in the middle of a desert planet? That would annoy me.

And, case in point, that's not too dissimilar to what happened in IV (a message sent by Luke's sister ends up in a droid that is sold to Luke's adoptive uncle), but I don't mind it in IV because, you know, I saw it as a dumb kid.

But Rey being Skywalker's kid will be the third main character being someone's kid, just stop already.

That, and when something happens once it can be explained - they knew where to find Ben (maybe Leia set the coordinates in r2d2 and she knew as she has the force), Ben was on the same planet as Luke to watch over him. The selling part we just accept, once.It's the repetition that kills our level of disbelief.

I want Rey to have been trained by Luke before Kylo went to the dark side and Luke, being a manic depressive with daddy issues, stopped training Jedi and became a recluse. I'd have to rewatch to remember, but did Rey ever say the Jedi weren't real or was that fin and she played dumb? Didn't she say "you're the Han solo who worked with Luke. .."?

I think Luke/Han/Jedi stuff was legend to many the way it looked in Awakens. As for repetition leading to disbelief are you guys kidding me? Have you not been on this planet that long or not studied its history?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

Really? That would have made things better? What a freaking kill joy.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

Really? That would have made things better? What a freaking kill joy.

Dude. Get bent.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

Really? That would have made things better? What a freaking kill joy.

Dude. Get bent.

Or you could read Aftermath and maybe that would have helped you enjoy the movie, though not a great book.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I didn't know the film came with pre-requisites.

Was there a syllabus?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I didn't know the film came with pre-requisites.

Was there a syllabus?

I mean if you need to have everything explained to you and make total sense I would assume reading the 1st canon book to be released would be pretty obvious. I also assumed you watched New Hope, Empire and Jedi but after you saying there weren't that many plot holes in those films, this is all starting to make sense.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I didn't know the film came with pre-requisites.

Was there a syllabus?

I mean if you need to have everything explained to you and make total sense I would assume reading the 1st canon book to be released would be pretty obvious. I also assumed you watched New Hope, Empire and Jedi but after you saying there weren't that many plot holes in those films, this is all starting to make sense.

It's baloney to say you have to read a book before you see a movie so that you can make sense of that movie's primary conceit.Especially if you're expecting your audience to stay spoiler free - something that was continually cited by Abrams as a primary concern

 

[PatsWillWin]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

But it sounds like the Republic doesn't support the Resistance. It sounds like Leia broke off and started it because she thought the Republic was being too reluctant to recognize the threat FO represents.

 

[AAABatteries]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

Im not sure I get this. Completely agree that Fisher was bad but I don't understand this part. I don't read any of the books or know anything outside of the movies but how would that have changed what happened in the movie? I'm seriously asking because I just assumed this part but even if my assumption is wrong I don't see how it matters.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Big picture though re: AD, if you go into a space opera/action movie and get bothered by things like "What kind of prison puts guards inside the cell?" I don't think you're going to have a good time. And as has been pointed out here, there are Grand Canyon size holes/leaps in the original trilogy that get overlooked, mostly because we were all younger when we saw them.

I'm not sure who Rey's parents end up being, but I really hope she's a nobody. I would really hate it if she turns out to be a Skywalker. It just makes the universe feel very small when everyone is related to each other. A droid with a secret map to Luke Skywalker just happens to roll by Skywalker's secret/hidden/abandoned daughter in the middle of a desert planet? That would annoy me.

And, case in point, that's not too dissimilar to what happened in IV (a message sent by Luke's sister ends up in a droid that is sold to Luke's adoptive uncle), but I don't mind it in IV because, you know, I saw it as a dumb kid.

But Rey being Skywalker's kid will be the third main character being someone's kid, just stop already.

That, and when something happens once it can be explained - they knew where to find Ben (maybe Leia set the coordinates in r2d2 and she knew as she has the force), Ben was on the same planet as Luke to watch over him. The selling part we just accept, once.It's the repetition that kills our level of disbelief.

I want Rey to have been trained by Luke before Kylo went to the dark side and Luke, being a manic depressive with daddy issues, stopped training Jedi and became a recluse. I'd have to rewatch to remember, but did Rey ever say the Jedi weren't real or was that fin and she played dumb? Didn't she say "you're the Han solo who worked with Luke. .."?

She definitely said she thought that all that force stuff was a myth.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I didn't know the film came with pre-requisites.

Was there a syllabus?

I mean if you need to have everything explained to you and make total sense I would assume reading the 1st canon book to be released would be pretty obvious. I also assumed you watched New Hope, Empire and Jedi but after you saying there weren't that many plot holes in those films, this is all starting to make sense.

It's baloney to say you have to read a book before you see a movie so that you can make sense of that movie's primary conceit.Especially if you're expecting your audience to stay spoiler free - something that was continually cited by Abrams as a primary concern

Well get use to it. There are two more books coming. Hopefully they are much better than Aftermath.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

But there was a reason for the Rebellion to exist.

And I cared when it was Luke in the X-Wing attacking the Death Star.

And there was a time when the Death Star was a new idea. But that was two planet killing buildings ago.

And Tarkin was cool and threatening. Hux is ridiculous.

I disagree that the SAME criticisms can all be levelled on the old movies.

you really think a rag tag bunch of rebels could initiate regime change throughout an entire galaxy by blowing up a space station? The United States can't even do it on a backwater desert country in the Middle East. Of course the republic is not strong enough to totally take over the galaxy and if they were portrayed as such people would be complaining about that.It's simple, the republic isn't that strong. They were able to gain hold of some planets, but not others. On the ones they didn't they are secretly financing the resistance to fight against the first order on their planets while the republic formally tries to establish law and order on the ones they control. They aren't strong enough to wage a full scale war against the first order which is militaristicly still stronger.

This is not complicated people.

Yes it is.This is 30 years after Endor.

i am sure the special forces ewok unit sent to Planet X was enough to maintain the republics dominance over the empire.

Did you miss the part at the end of ROTJ that shows an entire galaxy relieved that he Empire has ended? There was a Senate up until the Emperor dissolved it. It's reasonable to assume it was reconstituted quickly and certainly early in the 30 year interim.

everyone in Iraq was relieved when saddam was toppled. Now we have Isis.

Yeah. They were celebrating the Emperor dying, not sure that it was the Empire was dead. And even if it is dead, that doesn't magically put the Republic in control of everything. You will have splinter organizations, certain governors that were put in place by the Empire (in IV when the Senate was dissolved), etc. Big mess to clean up.

That said, I agree with this part of Andy's criticism - I still have no why why the "Resistance" was not simply the Republic's army. Why the Republic had to "hide" the fact that it supported the Resistance in its fight against the First Order, or even what the First Order exactly is. Do they represent a certain group of systems? Are they just a big army dressed in cool looking, Empire-style uniforms, chilling on a planet waiting to blow #### up again?

They could've made this part a little (a lot) clearer.

The need to secretly support the Resistance is because the majority of the senate voted against a standing army. Probably because the last senate backed army turned on them and installed the Empire.

 

[PatsWillWin]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

Im not sure I get this. Completely agree that Fisher was bad but I don't understand this part. I don't read any of the books or know anything outside of the movies but how would that have changed what happened in the movie? I'm seriously asking because I just assumed this part but even if my assumption is wrong I don't see how it matters.

It would've changed it for me because it was confusing to me in the movie. And when things like that are confusing in the movie, it makes me wonder WTF is going on, and if I missed something. Which takes me out of the movie.

Keep in mind I gave this movie an 8.5/10, but the whole Republic/Resistance thing was confusing and not explained.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

Im not sure I get this. Completely agree that Fisher was bad but I don't understand this part. I don't read any of the books or know anything outside of the movies but how would that have changed what happened in the movie? I'm seriously asking because I just assumed this part but even if my assumption is wrong I don't see how it matters.

It would've changed it for me because it was confusing to me in the movie. And when things like that are confusing in the movie, it makes me wonder WTF is going on, and if I missed something. Which takes me out of the movie.

Keep in mind I gave this movie an 8.5/10, but the whole Republic/Resistance thing was confusing and not explained.

Right, it's the first of many "wait..what?" moments that pile up. And since it starts the whole enterprise off on that foot my first thought was, "I have a based feeling about this."

 

[AAABatteries]

A lot would have been better for me if they'd simply written the Crawl a little differently. Even just the second paragraph...

"Weakened by false security, the unprepared Republic is forced to secretly support The Resistance. Led by General Leia Organa Solo, they are desperate to find her brother, Luke...."

Or something like that.

Im not sure I get this. Completely agree that Fisher was bad but I don't understand this part. I don't read any of the books or know anything outside of the movies but how would that have changed what happened in the movie? I'm seriously asking because I just assumed this part but even if my assumption is wrong I don't see how it matters.

It would've changed it for me because it was confusing to me in the movie. And when things like that are confusing in the movie, it makes me wonder WTF is going on, and if I missed something. Which takes me out of the movie.

Keep in mind I gave this movie an 8.5/10, but the whole Republic/Resistance thing was confusing and not explained.

Maybe I over simplify my fantasy/sci-fi but I just assume it's good vs. evil. I believe you that you say you were confused, I still don't really see how that changes much of anything with the movie.

 

[Otis]

Incredibly dorky overuse of the word "canon" in here.

 

[Insein]

Well I googled it and found this article, which explains a lot, apparently mostly from the novel version. That's pretty crappy that all of this background was left out of the movie. It would've taken an extra scrolling paragraph, that's it.

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/star-wars-force-awakens-spoilers-first-order-resistance-and-republic-explained-499823

The background is nice, I just don't think it's necessary. The story is about the efforts of two groups at war and trying to find Luke.

I've started writing this post like five times, keep deleting it. I'm at a loss as to how you can say that it's unnecessary to know this information about the two groups - especially when the movie treats them as three groups.

I've given up trying to explain it. The problem is ours I guess. They basically banked on the hardcore fan seeking out the back story on their own while the casual fan or just regular person would be fine with the watered down plot.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Well I googled it and found this article, which explains a lot, apparently mostly from the novel version. That's pretty crappy that all of this background was left out of the movie. It would've taken an extra scrolling paragraph, that's it.

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/star-wars-force-awakens-spoilers-first-order-resistance-and-republic-explained-499823

The background is nice, I just don't think it's necessary. The story is about the efforts of two groups at war and trying to find Luke.

I've started writing this post like five times, keep deleting it. I'm at a loss as to how you can say that it's unnecessary to know this information about the two groups - especially when the movie treats them as three groups.

I've given up trying to explain it. The problem is ours I guess. They basically banked on the hardcore fan seeking out the back story on their own while the casual fan or just regular person would be fine with the watered down plot.

Exactly. Hardcore fans are reading the books and comics, everyone else can enjoy Awakens for what it is, a great Star Wars flick. If you need everything explained to enjoy the movie, read the books and new comics. You will find out what CPO's arm is red!