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STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)

http://youtu.be/xal1wjko2ig

Lord of the rings <<< Star Wars explained
That stuff aside, helms deep is an amazing cinematic display. The best action in any of these films. There's just no magic in those films for me. Probably because I could never finish the books cause if you think the movies are just about walking, just try to read the books.

Oh and if you can get giant birds to fly you out to halfway home, maybe use them to fly there instead.
Don't forget, the army that showed up at Mordor to be the distraction Frodo and Sam needed, got there just a matter of minutes after making the decision to go be a distraction. Yet Frodo and Sam spent three movies climbing mountains and #### to get there.

I had friends who were really into the books. I tried, but never liked them. Like you said, the story is just dragged out too much.

 
3 out of the 4 non-prequel movies end with a Death Star blowing up.

These movies are fun but are nothing more than vehicles to sell toys.
out of all the things they copied from A New Hope: cute droid, a father/son dynamic to the good guy/bad guy, bad guy wears a mask, desert planet, etc this was the worst imo. I mean they seriously couldn't think of another weapon besides an even bigger death star?
 
It's interesting that people have brought up Marvel a few times, because that's basically what I likened this to. Relatively uninteresting plot (in this case mostly because it was so similar to the original trilogy), likable characters, solid acting, good action, and a few funny one liners thrown in for good measure. The main thing TFA has over the Marvel movies is that it's set in a more interesting universe.

That's all fine and well I suppose, but I was hoping for a bit more, especially after hearing it was good. And I agree that it was a good, fun flick. But we get 4 or 5 of those every year. We rarely get a great movie, and Star Wars had a headstart towards that just being Star Wars. Instead, I felt like they played it safe and shot for "good" and hit it pretty square. Kids won't mind the recycled plot because it is still new to them. Adults won't mind the recycled plot because of nostalgia. Not blowing anyone away, but nice and safe. Maybe a good thing after the way the prequels ended up while having to try an intricate plot (though its problems went far beyond that).

The original trilogy had a lot going for it. Unparalleled special effects, the mystique of the Jedi, and yes an interesting story arch. The former two of those are no longer really possible now that we've seen tons of Jedi and now that lots of movies have great special effects. The one spot that they had to really make a difference, alongside a good villain and the universe itself, was a mind blowing plot. In the end, they didn't really try on that front.

 
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3 out of the 4 non-prequel movies end with a Death Star blowing up.

These movies are fun but are nothing more than vehicles to sell toys.
out of all the things they copied from A New Hope: cute droid, a father/son dynamic to the good guy/bad guy, bad guy wears a mask, desert planet, etc this was the worst imo. I mean they seriously couldn't think of another weapon besides an even bigger death star?
I think this is why Lucas walked off the set
 
Also of the 10 previews before the movie l, I think 9 were super hero/video game movies.

I think I'm too old for this

 
3 out of the 4 non-prequel movies end with a Death Star blowing up.

These movies are fun but are nothing more than vehicles to sell toys.
out of all the things they copied from A New Hope: cute droid, a father/son dynamic to the good guy/bad guy, bad guy wears a mask, desert planet, etc this was the worst imo. I mean they seriously couldn't think of another weapon besides an even bigger death star?
I don't have a problem with the Death Star gimmick.

They are building these movies up to the ultimate good v. evil climax. Can't have the rebels putting everything on the line for a run-of-the-mill battle - it needs to be a save-the-galaxy type battle.

In theory, 8 should be about the development of Rey and Kylo Ren - leading to a confrontation between Rey and Ren, with Ren winning a hard-fought battle, but showing his vulnerability to the light side. 9 will then lead to Rey and Ren ultimately joining together to defeat Snoke.

 
http://youtu.be/xal1wjko2ig

Lord of the rings <<< Star Wars explained
That stuff aside, helms deep is an amazing cinematic display. The best action in any of these films. There's just no magic in those films for me. Probably because I could never finish the books cause if you think the movies are just about walking, just try to read the books.

Oh and if you can get giant birds to fly you out to halfway home, maybe use them to fly there instead.
Don't forget, the army that showed up at Mordor to be the distraction Frodo and Sam needed, got there just a matter of minutes after making the decision to go be a distraction. Yet Frodo and Sam spent three movies climbing mountains and #### to get there.

I had friends who were really into the books. I tried, but never liked them. Like you said, the story is just dragged out too much.
Not to pollute the SW spoilers thread, but that was intentional (being the distraction needed), and no one ever said it was hard to get to the main entrance to Mordor. Frodo and Sam were going in the hard way and trying to stay out of sight. Not a problem with the plot, in any case.

 
3 out of the 4 non-prequel movies end with a Death Star blowing up.

These movies are fun but are nothing more than vehicles to sell toys.
out of all the things they copied from A New Hope: cute droid, a father/son dynamic to the good guy/bad guy, bad guy wears a mask, desert planet, etc this was the worst imo. I mean they seriously couldn't think of another weapon besides an even bigger death star?
I don't have a problem with the Death Star gimmick.

They are building these movies up to the ultimate good v. evil climax. Can't have the rebels putting everything on the line for a run-of-the-mill battle - it needs to be a save-the-galaxy type battle.

In theory, 8 should be about the development of Rey and Kylo Ren - leading to a confrontation between Rey and Ren, with Ren winning a hard-fought battle, but showing his vulnerability to the light side. 9 will then lead to Rey and Ren ultimately joining together to defeat Snoke.
so basically empire strikes back and return of the Jedi again
 
3 out of the 4 non-prequel movies end with a Death Star blowing up.

These movies are fun but are nothing more than vehicles to sell toys.
out of all the things they copied from A New Hope: cute droid, a father/son dynamic to the good guy/bad guy, bad guy wears a mask, desert planet, etc this was the worst imo. I mean they seriously couldn't think of another weapon besides an even bigger death star?
I don't have a problem with the Death Star gimmick.

They are building these movies up to the ultimate good v. evil climax. Can't have the rebels putting everything on the line for a run-of-the-mill battle - it needs to be a save-the-galaxy type battle.

In theory, 8 should be about the development of Rey and Kylo Ren - leading to a confrontation between Rey and Ren, with Ren winning a hard-fought battle, but showing his vulnerability to the light side. 9 will then lead to Rey and Ren ultimately joining together to defeat Snoke.
so basically empire strikes back and return of the Jedi again
Pretty much - but in a trilogy, you kind of need to set it up as GGs win round 1, BGs rally in round 2, and GGs win the ultimate battle in round 3.

They could have set it up in 7, so that the BGs won - i.e. the starkiller gets off its shot and destroys the rebel base, but that Rey and a few key players escaped. Then in 8, it could have been small gains made by rebels to regain their footing - maybe infiltrating the First Order and delivering a small set-back, followed up by 9 where the Rebels launch the big attack and defeat the First Order.

But, given that each trilogy is about a skywalker - they all follow the same basic format - 1. We discover the hero; 2. Hero develops his/her powers; and 3. Hero fulfills their destiny.

 
3 out of the 4 non-prequel movies end with a Death Star blowing up.

These movies are fun but are nothing more than vehicles to sell toys.
out of all the things they copied from A New Hope: cute droid, a father/son dynamic to the good guy/bad guy, bad guy wears a mask, desert planet, etc this was the worst imo. I mean they seriously couldn't think of another weapon besides an even bigger death star?
It was unnecessary and lazy

 
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This was all very predictable. I posted a week before it came out that people would whine about the plot being simple, even though I had no idea what the plot was.

But it's Star Wars. It's about good vs evil, it's about the journey of a couple people from ordinary nobodies to heros.

It's not a complex thing.

I mean seriously we all know that Kylo and Snoke will rise up to the point where they almost win, and then ultimately Rey and Finn will win in the end. I mean this is basic stuff.

Again, people that hate on this movie are serious dorks.
Why strive to make an excellent, interesting movie when you can make a billion with a popular brand and a safe, run of the mill movie. It depresses me that the first thought that goes into these movies is "how do we make money," rather than "how can we make this movie great."

I'm by no means a star wars fanboy, or a serious dork. I just hope to get an enjoyable movie with a decent plot.

I think a Nirvana quote works nicely here:

"I wish I was like you, easily amused."
:goodposting: :lol:
I fully understand complaints about the plot, but I've no idea what you're expecting here. Star Wars was never going to be a think piece. The original movies are the simplest of morality plays.
all the star wars have the same huge plot holeIf the bad guys have immense technological superiority AND the single most powerful dark side lord then they would just have that guy figure out where the jedi are and murder them. There would never be a need for a star killer base etc...

 
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3 out of the 4 non-prequel movies end with a Death Star blowing up.

These movies are fun but are nothing more than vehicles to sell toys.
out of all the things they copied from A New Hope: cute droid, a father/son dynamic to the good guy/bad guy, bad guy wears a mask, desert planet, etc this was the worst imo. I mean they seriously couldn't think of another weapon besides an even bigger death star?
Didn't the last movie end with finding Luke??? :confused:

 
Just returned from a 2nd viewing.. well worth it.. just so much fun.. a lot of young kids there today and it was fun to listen to them oh and ah and clap.. brought me back to my younger days and viewing the first trilogy.. :thumbup:

 
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This was all very predictable. I posted a week before it came out that people would whine about the plot being simple, even though I had no idea what the plot was.

But it's Star Wars. It's about good vs evil, it's about the journey of a couple people from ordinary nobodies to heros.

It's not a complex thing.

I mean seriously we all know that Kylo and Snoke will rise up to the point where they almost win, and then ultimately Rey and Finn will win in the end. I mean this is basic stuff.

Again, people that hate on this movie are serious dorks.
Why strive to make an excellent, interesting movie when you can make a billion with a popular brand and a safe, run of the mill movie. It depresses me that the first thought that goes into these movies is "how do we make money," rather than "how can we make this movie great."

I'm by no means a star wars fanboy, or a serious dork. I just hope to get an enjoyable movie with a decent plot.

I think a Nirvana quote works nicely here:

"I wish I was like you, easily amused."
:goodposting: :lol:
I fully understand complaints about the plot, but I've no idea what you're expecting here. Star Wars was never going to be a think piece. The original movies are the simplest of morality plays.
all the star wars have the same huge plot holeIf the bad guys have immense technological superiority AND the single most powerful dark side lord then they would just have that guy figure out where the jedi are and murder them. There would never be a need for a star killer base etc...
Is the dark side stronger?No. No. No. Quicker, easier, more seductive.

 
Lol. No its better than OK. Much, much better. OK is a movie like "white chicks". The Force Awakens" is like 10 times more interesting and enjoyable than that

 
Lol. No its better than OK. Much, much better. OK is a movie like "white chicks". The Force Awakens" is like 10 times more interesting and enjoyable than that
Just so I'm clear White Chicks is an okay movie in your world? It's not complete trash?

 
Lol. No its better than OK. Much, much better. OK is a movie like "white chicks". The Force Awakens" is like 10 times more interesting and enjoyable than that
Just so I'm clear White Chicks is an okay movie in your world? It's not complete trash?
yes. Trash would be dumb and dumberer
I recently watched MI: Rogue Nation, Intersteller and Martian. Those were all OK, if not good. TFA is fantastic next to those three.
 
but it's better than lord of the rings,
Lotr was boring to me. I can't say if it was bad or not because I slept through half of the first one and never watched any of the others again.
Lotr sucks
I will fight each and every one of you. Alphabetically or all at once, don't care. Now shut your whore mouths and get back to railing on SW.
Whoa. you certainly take your gay midget love stories seriously
 
but it's better than lord of the rings,
Lotr was boring to me. I can't say if it was bad or not because I slept through half of the first one and never watched any of the others again.
Lotr sucks
I will fight each and every one of you. Alphabetically or all at once, don't care. Now shut your whore mouths and get back to railing on SW.
Whoa. you certainly take your gay midget love stories seriously
Yes...yes I do :boxing:

 
Lol. No its better than OK. Much, much better. OK is a movie like "white chicks". The Force Awakens" is like 10 times more interesting and enjoyable than that
Only 10? I thought White Chicks set the film industry back 50 years or so.

 
Lol. No its better than OK. Much, much better. OK is a movie like "white chicks". The Force Awakens" is like 10 times more interesting and enjoyable than that
Just so I'm clear White Chicks is an okay movie in your world? It's not complete trash?
yes. Trash would be dumb and dumberer
Dumb and Dumberer didn't make me want to punch the TV the whole time at the sight of two large black men in drag as 2 attractive white chicks.

 
Lol. No its better than OK. Much, much better. OK is a movie like "white chicks". The Force Awakens" is like 10 times more interesting and enjoyable than that
Just so I'm clear White Chicks is an okay movie in your world? It's not complete trash?
yes. Trash would be dumb and dumberer
I recently watched MI: Rogue Nation, Intersteller and Martian. Those were all OK, if not good. TFA is fantastic next to those three.
Only because it's Star Wars and we're nostalgic and want it to be awesome. Objectively it's the same caliber as those movies. It even has basically an identical Rotten Tomatoes score to those ones.

 
Lol. No its better than OK. Much, much better. OK is a movie like "white chicks". The Force Awakens" is like 10 times more interesting and enjoyable than that
Just so I'm clear White Chicks is an okay movie in your world? It's not complete trash?
yes. Trash would be dumb and dumberer
I recently watched MI: Rogue Nation, Intersteller and Martian. Those were all OK, if not good. TFA is fantastic next to those three.
Only because it's Star Wars and we're nostalgic and want it to be awesome. Objectively it's the same caliber as those movies. It even has basically an identical Rotten Tomatoes score to those ones.
I agree. It's pretty much on par with those movies but I enjoyed it more because of my love for the characters and star wars universe.
 
I wasn't a Star Wars kid growing up. Yes I had the action figures but i don't remember really being all that into them.

I own the blu rays. 1 and 2 were complete trash. The rest were ok

I went and saw the new one so I could take my daughter, we just watched 4,5,6, 3 and she loves them. That may be the 3rd time I've seen most of these movies ever.

I enjoyed 7 but to me it felt like a remake of 4. :shrug:

I won't go see it again or anything.

 
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This is a huge thread already.

So, I saw it once, and I enjoyed it.

Read a few things in here and other places where it's written/posted matter-of-factly that Ben/Kylo Ren was a student of Luke & he killed all the other students.

Was this in the movie somewhere? I don't remember it if it was, but I did only watch it the one time.

 
This is a huge thread already.

So, I saw it once, and I enjoyed it.

Read a few things in here and other places where it's written/posted matter-of-factly that Ben/Kylo Ren was a student of Luke & he killed all the other students.

Was this in the movie somewhere? I don't remember it if it was, but I did only watch it the one time.
Yes
 
This is a huge thread already.

So, I saw it once, and I enjoyed it.

Read a few things in here and other places where it's written/posted matter-of-factly that Ben/Kylo Ren was a student of Luke & he killed all the other students.

Was this in the movie somewhere? I don't remember it if it was, but I did only watch it the one time.
Yes
OK...thanks. Mind sharing where/when/how it was covered?

 
This is a huge thread already.

So, I saw it once, and I enjoyed it.

Read a few things in here and other places where it's written/posted matter-of-factly that Ben/Kylo Ren was a student of Luke & he killed all the other students.

Was this in the movie somewhere? I don't remember it if it was, but I did only watch it the one time.
Yes
OK...thanks. Mind sharing where/when/how it was covered?
I believe it was soon after Finn/Rey met Han (just before Han gave the speech about the stories from the OT being true if I'm remembering right). They tell him they have the map and then Han tells them about the reason behind Luke's disappearance, which was due to the aforementioned Kylo Ren slaughter (though Han referred to him only as "one of the apprentices" at the time).It is then referenced again later when Han/Leia are talking.

 
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I like Lotr better.....but I don't think Lotr is that much a better story than the OT (it's leaps and bounds better than the Prequels)....it just had the luxury of A) being an incredibly detailed book and B) coming out after the OT and standing on its shoulders. One thing I do like is how Peter Jackson really embraced the home media market and did the Extended Editions........if Disney wanted to make even more money on these things.....a nice additional 40 minutes on the Force Awakens Blu Ray would be gold.

 
Finally got to see it today. Really enjoyed it (and :wub: me some Daisy Ridley)

A few random thoughts (which may have been covered upthread and TL;DR and all that)

1. Carrie Fisher has turned into her mother. Didn't click for me until almost the end of the movie

2. While I enjoyed some of the Han/Chewie banter, it got a little TOO "jokey" at times. (Although Chewie handing Han the jacket was :lmao: )

3. So, when the Falcon is flying over water it kicks up a huge wake, but when it took off from the rebel base, everyone stood waving from 10 feet behind it?

4. I'm not sure if Maz Kanata is a tribute to Linda Hunt or Edna Mode

 
Linda hunt played Edna mode ;)

Eta...that's not true but I like to believe it

 
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Easily one of the best theatrical experiences I've ever had. Saw it at a local LFX/Atmos screening. I may go back to see it in 3D - how was it for anybody that saw it in that format?

In terms of direction, story, inspired casting (new leads, including the villain, were outstanding, phenomenal), acting, character development, production design, CGI, blending of old and new elements, resonance with the original story (without overdoing it or being too redundant), Jar Jar Binksless-ness :) , this checked all the boxes.

Based on near universal stellar reviews, my expectations were extremely high. This exceeded them. I can't think of a single thing I didn't like about it. However long it was (?), absolutely no sensation of time (masterful pacing), a transporting experience.

Much better than Battlefield Earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0R_FR9pD2k
:lmao:

Much better than 8 Heads In A Duffel Bag.

 
Finally got to see it today. Really enjoyed it (and :wub: me some Daisy Ridley)

A few random thoughts (which may have been covered upthread and TL;DR and all that)

1. Carrie Fisher has turned into her mother. Didn't click for me until almost the end of the movie

2. While I enjoyed some of the Han/Chewie banter, it got a little TOO "jokey" at times. (Although Chewie handing Han the jacket was :lmao: )

3. So, when the Falcon is flying over water it kicks up a huge wake, but when it took off from the rebel base, everyone stood waving from 10 feet behind it?

4. I'm not sure if Maz Kanata is a tribute to Linda Hunt or Edna Mode
Reminds me of Gune from Titan AE

 
This is a huge thread already.

So, I saw it once, and I enjoyed it.

Read a few things in here and other places where it's written/posted matter-of-factly that Ben/Kylo Ren was a student of Luke & he killed all the other students.

Was this in the movie somewhere? I don't remember it if it was, but I did only watch it the one time.
Yes
OK...thanks. Mind sharing where/when/how it was covered?
when Han first finds Rey and Finn, he explains that Luke tried to rebuild the Jedi Order but went into exile after one of his students went to the dark side and destroyed all that Luke built.

After that Luke went into exile with the thought that he went looking for the first Jedi temple.

We later find out that Kylo was the student that went dark and that he was Ben Solo.

 
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Easily one of the best theatrical experiences I've ever had. Saw it at a local LFX/Atmos screening. I may go back to see it in 3D - how was it for anybody that saw it in that format?

In terms of direction, story, inspired casting (new leads, including the villain, were outstanding, phenomenal), acting, character development, production design, CGI, blending of old and new elements, resonance with the original story (without overdoing it or being too redundant), Jar Jar Binksless-ness :) , this checked all the boxes.

Based on near universal stellar reviews, my expectations were extremely high. This exceeded them. I can't think of a single thing I didn't like about it. However long it was (?), absolutely no sensation of time (masterful pacing), a transporting experience.

Much better than Battlefield Earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0R_FR9pD2k
:lmao:

Much better than 8 Heads In A Duffel Bag.
Also much better than Freddie Got Fingered and the Ernest film saga.

Force Awakens has only been out like two weeks, and is already closing in on $1.5 billion, halfway to the unprecedented $3 billion mark.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/the-force-awakens-rings-in-2016-with-record-new-years-day-box-office/ar-BBo8pGa?ocid=spartanntp

* Could it get to $4 billion? Dunno, but a positive indicator that it will shatter the old records is a lot of people noting multi-viewings (in some cases, 3-4 X already!!! :) ). That is obviously one of the keys needed to gun down Avatar like so many previous hapless death stars - also, a high percentage of the overall box office sales enjoying premium ticket prices commanded by 3D and IMAX-type screenings.

 
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Also much better than Freddie Got Fingered and the Ernest film saga.

Force Awakens has only been out like two weeks, and is already closing in on $1.5 billion, halfway to the unprecedented $3 billion mark.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/the-force-awakens-rings-in-2016-with-record-new-years-day-box-office/ar-BBo8pGa?ocid=spartanntp

* Could it get to $4 billion? Dunno, but a positive indicator that it will shatter the old records is a lot of people noting multi-viewings (in some cases, 3-4 X already!!! :) ). That is obviously one of the keys needed to gun down Avatar like so many previous hapless death stars - also, a high percentage of the overall box office sales enjoying premium ticket prices commanded by 3D and IMAX-type screenings.
Imagine how much money it will make when they blow up a fourth Death Star!

 
Easily one of the best theatrical experiences I've ever had. Saw it at a local LFX/Atmos screening. I may go back to see it in 3D - how was it for anybody that saw it in that format?

In terms of direction, story, inspired casting (new leads, including the villain, were outstanding, phenomenal), acting, character development, production design, CGI, blending of old and new elements, resonance with the original story (without overdoing it or being too redundant), Jar Jar Binksless-ness :) , this checked all the boxes.

Based on near universal stellar reviews, my expectations were extremely high. This exceeded them. I can't think of a single thing I didn't like about it. However long it was (?), absolutely no sensation of time (masterful pacing), a transporting experience.

Much better than Battlefield Earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0R_FR9pD2k
:lmao:

Much better than 8 Heads In A Duffel Bag.
Also much better than Freddie Got Fingered and the Ernest film saga.

Force Awakens has only been out like two weeks, and is already closing in on $1.5 billion, halfway to the unprecedented $3 billion mark.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/the-force-awakens-rings-in-2016-with-record-new-years-day-box-office/ar-BBo8pGa?ocid=spartanntp

* Could it get to $4 billion? Dunno, but a positive indicator that it will shatter the old records is a lot of people noting multi-viewings (in some cases, 3-4 X already!!! :) ). That is obviously one of the keys needed to gun down Avatar like so many previous hapless death stars - also, a high percentage of the overall box office sales enjoying premium ticket prices commanded by 3D and IMAX-type screenings.
I'm thinking it might since I don't believe it has even opened in China yet.. amazing to think Disney might get back it's investment in one movie :shock:

 

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