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STAR WARS: EP 7 ***SPOILER ZONE*** - Go here if you've seen it (1 Viewer)
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Given that the sequel to Independence Day has already been made, I don't really get what you mean.
Insein
Footballguy
Well it only took 20 years for a sequel to ID4. I don't think that's the best example.
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Hang 10
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Hang 10
Footballguy
Actually, it's a perfect example. 20 years is probably the right amount of time to sell nostalgia.
dparker713
Footballguy
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
And we get trolls who say they dislike a movie, not once, but hundreds of times throughout a particular thread. Why do they love talking about stuff they dislike? Not unlike the people who do this, it's so weird.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Hang 10
Footballguy
Is it trolling to come here and say I've seen it multiple times and loved it? Might offend people who were disappointed. But haven't you already said that you don't understand the point of movie threads? You either like a movie or don't, right?
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
That isn't exactlyvwhat I meant but for your sake, roll with it. You can do what you like as it has no impact on me. Just observed that its weird.
So please, continue to invest your time in a movie thread you didn't even enjoy. Knock yourself out.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
This is what I meant to post. Never was in to straight fantasy which makes me loving game of thrones surprising.
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Insein
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FUBAR
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
The reason TFA is successful is the same reason sequels are made for almost any high grossing film, but TFA itself has nothing to do with other sequels. Godfather and the original trilogy helped create the practice. Plus that the desire to make money exceeds new ideas.
Sequels don't really bother me but I friggin' hate that many series end with the last film broken into two movies. Harry Potter did it will but most do not.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
The very rough rule of thumb in Hollywood is 50% of the gross revenue is profit.I'm thinking it might since I don't believe it has even opened in China yet.. amazing to think Disney might get back it's investment in one movieAlso much better than Freddie Got Fingered and the Ernest film saga.Easily one of the best theatrical experiences I've ever had. Saw it at a local LFX/Atmos screening. I may go back to see it in 3D - how was it for anybody that saw it in that format?
In terms of direction, story, inspired casting (new leads, including the villain, were outstanding, phenomenal), acting, character development, production design, CGI, blending of old and new elements, resonance with the original story (without overdoing it or being too redundant), Jar Jar Binksless-ness, this checked all the boxes.
Based on near universal stellar reviews, my expectations were extremely high. This exceeded them. I can't think of a single thing I didn't like about it. However long it was (?), absolutely no sensation of time (masterful pacing), a transporting experience.
Much better than Battlefield Earth.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0R_FR9pD2k
Much better than 8 Heads In A Duffel Bag.
Force Awakens has only been out like two weeks, and is already closing in on $1.5 billion, halfway to the unprecedented $3 billion mark.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/the-force-awakens-rings-in-2016-with-record-new-years-day-box-office/ar-BBo8pGa?ocid=spartanntp
* Could it get to $4 billion? Dunno, but a positive indicator that it will shatter the old records is a lot of people noting multi-viewings (in some cases, 3-4 X already!!!
So if TFA breaks the record and hits $3 billion, Disney will make roughly $1.5 billion.
belljr
Footballguy
i think he's talking about the 4 billion purchase of the rightsThe very rough rule of thumb in Hollywood is 50% of the gross revenue is profit.So if TFA breaks the record and hits $3 billion, Disney will make roughly $1.5 billion.I'm thinking it might since I don't believe it has even opened in China yet.. amazing to think Disney might get back it's investment in one movieAlso much better than Freddie Got Fingered and the Ernest film saga.Easily one of the best theatrical experiences I've ever had. Saw it at a local LFX/Atmos screening. I may go back to see it in 3D - how was it for anybody that saw it in that format?
In terms of direction, story, inspired casting (new leads, including the villain, were outstanding, phenomenal), acting, character development, production design, CGI, blending of old and new elements, resonance with the original story (without overdoing it or being too redundant), Jar Jar Binksless-ness
Based on near universal stellar reviews, my expectations were extremely high. This exceeded them. I can't think of a single thing I didn't like about it. However long it was (?), absolutely no sensation of time (masterful pacing), a transporting experience.
Much better than Battlefield Earth.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0R_FR9pD2k
Much better than 8 Heads In A Duffel Bag.
Force Awakens has only been out like two weeks, and is already closing in on $1.5 billion, halfway to the unprecedented $3 billion mark.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/the-force-awakens-rings-in-2016-with-record-new-years-day-box-office/ar-BBo8pGa?ocid=spartanntp
* Could it get to $4 billion? Dunno, but a positive indicator that it will shatter the old records is a lot of people noting multi-viewings (in some cases, 3-4 X already!!!
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Hunger Games did it also - just trying to milk one last film out of a closed-ended trilogy.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Yes I know, that was my point. They won't get their investment back even if they hit 4 billion.i think he's talking about the 4 billion purchase of the rightsThe very rough rule of thumb in Hollywood is 50% of the gross revenue is profit.So if TFA breaks the record and hits $3 billion, Disney will make roughly $1.5 billion.I'm thinking it might since I don't believe it has even opened in China yet.. amazing to think Disney might get back it's investment in one movieAlso much better than Freddie Got Fingered and the Ernest film saga.Easily one of the best theatrical experiences I've ever had. Saw it at a local LFX/Atmos screening. I may go back to see it in 3D - how was it for anybody that saw it in that format?
In terms of direction, story, inspired casting (new leads, including the villain, were outstanding, phenomenal), acting, character development, production design, CGI, blending of old and new elements, resonance with the original story (without overdoing it or being too redundant), Jar Jar Binksless-ness
Based on near universal stellar reviews, my expectations were extremely high. This exceeded them. I can't think of a single thing I didn't like about it. However long it was (?), absolutely no sensation of time (masterful pacing), a transporting experience.
Much better than Battlefield Earth.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0R_FR9pD2k
Much better than 8 Heads In A Duffel Bag.
Force Awakens has only been out like two weeks, and is already closing in on $1.5 billion, halfway to the unprecedented $3 billion mark. http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/the-force-awakens-rings-in-2016-with-record-new-years-day-box-office/ar-BBo8pGa?ocid=spartanntp
* Could it get to $4 billion? Dunno, but a positive indicator that it will shatter the old records is a lot of people noting multi-viewings (in some cases, 3-4 X already!!!
People confuse the published movie revenue with movie profits as they are not equivalent.
snogger
Footballguy
I was talking about overall profit.. Current run in the theater, DVD sales, merchandise, etc.. Truly think once all is said and done they will get their $4 Billion dollar investment back in one movie.. Considering they have 4 or 5 others already in the works I'd say they made a very good investmentYes I know, that was my point. They won't get their investment back even if they hit 4 billion.i think he's talking about the 4 billion purchase of the rightsThe very rough rule of thumb in Hollywood is 50% of the gross revenue is profit.So if TFA breaks the record and hits $3 billion, Disney will make roughly $1.5 billion.I'm thinking it might since I don't believe it has even opened in China yet.. amazing to think Disney might get back it's investment in one movieAlso much better than Freddie Got Fingered and the Ernest film saga.Easily one of the best theatrical experiences I've ever had. Saw it at a local LFX/Atmos screening. I may go back to see it in 3D - how was it for anybody that saw it in that format?
In terms of direction, story, inspired casting (new leads, including the villain, were outstanding, phenomenal), acting, character development, production design, CGI, blending of old and new elements, resonance with the original story (without overdoing it or being too redundant), Jar Jar Binksless-ness
Based on near universal stellar reviews, my expectations were extremely high. This exceeded them. I can't think of a single thing I didn't like about it. However long it was (?), absolutely no sensation of time (masterful pacing), a transporting experience.
Much better than Battlefield Earth.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0R_FR9pD2k
Much better than 8 Heads In A Duffel Bag.
Force Awakens has only been out like two weeks, and is already closing in on $1.5 billion, halfway to the unprecedented $3 billion mark. http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/the-force-awakens-rings-in-2016-with-record-new-years-day-box-office/ar-BBo8pGa?ocid=spartanntp
* Could it get to $4 billion? Dunno, but a positive indicator that it will shatter the old records is a lot of people noting multi-viewings (in some cases, 3-4 X already!!!
People confuse the published movie revenue with movie profits as they are not equivalent.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Remember that the 50% rule of thumb includes expected media sales like dvds but not merchandise.
The actual profit from just the movie itself is much smaller than 50%.
For example Avatar made $2.8 billion in revenue but only $1 billion in profit. Here is a list of how movies have fared comparing their world wide gross to the profit
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/06/19/the-top-10-most-profitable-films-in-box-office-his.aspx
The actual profit from just the movie itself is much smaller than 50%.
For example Avatar made $2.8 billion in revenue but only $1 billion in profit. Here is a list of how movies have fared comparing their world wide gross to the profit
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/06/19/the-top-10-most-profitable-films-in-box-office-his.aspx
Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
So if you're trying to dominate the galaxy and you have technology to build a death star why wouldn't you? Gotta have something, simple military domination doesn't seem to work. Occupying a galaxy so there isn't perpetual civil war seems pretty difficult in the Star Wars universe.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
They're getting most of their immediate investment back through merchandising. Merchandise sales are expected to hit $5 billion in the next 12 months. They don't get all of the profits, but it's a real nice chunk of change to take off the purchase price. It's already looking like Lucas sold low.Yes I know, that was my point. They won't get their investment back even if they hit 4 billion.People confuse the published movie revenue with movie profits as they are not equivalent.i think he's talking about the 4 billion purchase of the rightsThe very rough rule of thumb in Hollywood is 50% of the gross revenue is profit.So if TFA breaks the record and hits $3 billion, Disney will make roughly $1.5 billion.I'm thinking it might since I don't believe it has even opened in China yet.. amazing to think Disney might get back it's investment in one movieAlso much better than Freddie Got Fingered and the Ernest film saga.Easily one of the best theatrical experiences I've ever had. Saw it at a local LFX/Atmos screening. I may go back to see it in 3D - how was it for anybody that saw it in that format?
In terms of direction, story, inspired casting (new leads, including the villain, were outstanding, phenomenal), acting, character development, production design, CGI, blending of old and new elements, resonance with the original story (without overdoing it or being too redundant), Jar Jar Binksless-ness
Based on near universal stellar reviews, my expectations were extremely high. This exceeded them. I can't think of a single thing I didn't like about it. However long it was (?), absolutely no sensation of time (masterful pacing), a transporting experience.
Much better than Battlefield Earth.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0R_FR9pD2k
Much better than 8 Heads In A Duffel Bag.
Force Awakens has only been out like two weeks, and is already closing in on $1.5 billion, halfway to the unprecedented $3 billion mark. http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/the-force-awakens-rings-in-2016-with-record-new-years-day-box-office/ar-BBo8pGa?ocid=spartanntp
* Could it get to $4 billion? Dunno, but a positive indicator that it will shatter the old records is a lot of people noting multi-viewings (in some cases, 3-4 X already!!!
cstu
Footballguy
If you can't dominate the galaxy with a fleet of Super Star Destroyers then it's time to start looking for a new career.
dparker713
Footballguy
Death Stars are incredibly expensive. In the old EU it was argued that the financial burden of building the Death Stars contributed as much or more to the downfall of the empire as the death of the emperor
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shadyridr
Footballguy
cuz they keep getting blown up
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I made it 3 weeks without spoilers or reviews and saw it yesterday. All my friends had great things to say about it. I wasn't as blown away as them but liked it well enough.
The good:
- The new guys (Driver and Issac most specifically were awesome, as was the girl who played Rey)
- The subtle homages, tributes and humor
- Ren in very subtle ways acting like young Anakin but still being an intemidating presence
- The CGI was fantastic, whatever mixing they did with real props I couldn't tell
-Han's death
-Luke's reveal
The bad
- Took a little too long to get Han and Chewie on scene. I get not wanting to wholeheartedly focus on the classic characters but I think that's what most people wanted to see. I think Luke MIA hurt the movie some too.
-The Han/Chewie storyline I was a little disappointed with but that was personal preference.
- How easy it was for Rey to use the force and both Rey and Fin to use a light saber. It wasn't that bad but it was still forced in my opinion.
The ugly
-Chemistry between Fisher and Ford was a miss. Not surprising, maybe just weird to hear them talk about their child.
- Han's death, I thought it was well done and will allow for a darker second movie. Ford took over the movie from entering on the scene. Luke was always entertaining but having an anti hero was always a big part of the original franchise. No one has the bravado of Ford and no one was as strong as him in this. Makes me concerned moving forward.
Overall I think JJ hit the right notes. He has always been more upbeat and overt in his works. I look forward to what Rian Johnson will bring to the franchise. I am expecting a much darker and more concise flick with twists and turns as that is what he does best. I could see all the original main characters outside of Chewie dying (the quicker the better for Carrie Fisher now). I also expect lest angst from Kylo Ren as killing his father pretty much is the completion of his fall to the dark side. I hope that this movie does not end up the best of the three.
The good:
- The new guys (Driver and Issac most specifically were awesome, as was the girl who played Rey)
- The subtle homages, tributes and humor
- Ren in very subtle ways acting like young Anakin but still being an intemidating presence
- The CGI was fantastic, whatever mixing they did with real props I couldn't tell
-Han's death
-Luke's reveal
The bad
- Took a little too long to get Han and Chewie on scene. I get not wanting to wholeheartedly focus on the classic characters but I think that's what most people wanted to see. I think Luke MIA hurt the movie some too.
-The Han/Chewie storyline I was a little disappointed with but that was personal preference.
- How easy it was for Rey to use the force and both Rey and Fin to use a light saber. It wasn't that bad but it was still forced in my opinion.
The ugly
-Chemistry between Fisher and Ford was a miss. Not surprising, maybe just weird to hear them talk about their child.
- Han's death, I thought it was well done and will allow for a darker second movie. Ford took over the movie from entering on the scene. Luke was always entertaining but having an anti hero was always a big part of the original franchise. No one has the bravado of Ford and no one was as strong as him in this. Makes me concerned moving forward.
Overall I think JJ hit the right notes. He has always been more upbeat and overt in his works. I look forward to what Rian Johnson will bring to the franchise. I am expecting a much darker and more concise flick with twists and turns as that is what he does best. I could see all the original main characters outside of Chewie dying (the quicker the better for Carrie Fisher now). I also expect lest angst from Kylo Ren as killing his father pretty much is the completion of his fall to the dark side. I hope that this movie does not end up the best of the three.
tommyboy
Footballguy
Yes but that's just ticket revenue. They'll get the rest of their investment back from licensing, distribution and merchandise.Yes I know, that was my point. They won't get their investment back even if they hit 4 billion.People confuse the published movie revenue with movie profits as they are not equivalent.i think he's talking about the 4 billion purchase of the rightsThe very rough rule of thumb in Hollywood is 50% of the gross revenue is profit.So if TFA breaks the record and hits $3 billion, Disney will make roughly $1.5 billion.I'm thinking it might since I don't believe it has even opened in China yet.. amazing to think Disney might get back it's investment in one movieAlso much better than Freddie Got Fingered and the Ernest film saga.Easily one of the best theatrical experiences I've ever had. Saw it at a local LFX/Atmos screening. I may go back to see it in 3D - how was it for anybody that saw it in that format?
In terms of direction, story, inspired casting (new leads, including the villain, were outstanding, phenomenal), acting, character development, production design, CGI, blending of old and new elements, resonance with the original story (without overdoing it or being too redundant), Jar Jar Binksless-ness
Based on near universal stellar reviews, my expectations were extremely high. This exceeded them. I can't think of a single thing I didn't like about it. However long it was (?), absolutely no sensation of time (masterful pacing), a transporting experience.
Much better than Battlefield Earth.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0R_FR9pD2k
Much better than 8 Heads In A Duffel Bag.
Force Awakens has only been out like two weeks, and is already closing in on $1.5 billion, halfway to the unprecedented $3 billion mark. http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/the-force-awakens-rings-in-2016-with-record-new-years-day-box-office/ar-BBo8pGa?ocid=spartanntp
* Could it get to $4 billion? Dunno, but a positive indicator that it will shatter the old records is a lot of people noting multi-viewings (in some cases, 3-4 X already!!!
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Disney meets Star Wars
http://www.popsugar.com/tech/Disney-Star-Wars-Princess-Art-38256909#photo-38256925
http://www.popsugar.com/tech/Disney-Star-Wars-Princess-Art-38256909#photo-38256925
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Already poised to become the fourth highest grossing box office ever in a few days, less than three weeks from release, and as noted, set to open in China next week (second largest market in the world).
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/box-office-%e2%80%98star-wars-the-force-awakens%e2%80%99-barreling-towards-%e2%80%98avatar%e2%80%99s%e2%80%99-record/ar-BBo9APz?ocid=spartanntp
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/box-office-%e2%80%98star-wars-the-force-awakens%e2%80%99-barreling-towards-%e2%80%98avatar%e2%80%99s%e2%80%99-record/ar-BBo9APz?ocid=spartanntp
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Disclaimer: I saw ROTJ in the theater with my aunt but was too young to really remember it. Was always a big fan of the movies and the merch but got burnt out by my last long term GF who was crazy about it and got me BobaFet everything.
This new one was pretty MEH to me.
The first flight of the MF was great... I enjoyed the humor. The new characters (minus Kylo) were okay enough. BB8 was pretty awesome.
What I disliked was the repetition, the accelerated skills, the length, the weak-### bad guy.
Seriously, like, did Rey see the first movie? The way she did the Jedi mind trick was so lame... she just decided to try that? Cmon.
Definitely wouldn't go see it in theaters again. I actually kind of want to go back and watch Ep I before I see it again to maybe increase me appreciation for the new one.
I don't have kids, which I can see how that would increase your enjoyment of the film. I'm kind of surprised by how much love it's getting though.
This new one was pretty MEH to me.
The first flight of the MF was great... I enjoyed the humor. The new characters (minus Kylo) were okay enough. BB8 was pretty awesome.
What I disliked was the repetition, the accelerated skills, the length, the weak-### bad guy.
Seriously, like, did Rey see the first movie? The way she did the Jedi mind trick was so lame... she just decided to try that? Cmon.
Definitely wouldn't go see it in theaters again. I actually kind of want to go back and watch Ep I before I see it again to maybe increase me appreciation for the new one.
I don't have kids, which I can see how that would increase your enjoyment of the film. I'm kind of surprised by how much love it's getting though.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
we won't know until 8 or 9 but there has been plenty of speculation on this topic through out this thread and online that she had already received some training before being left on the planet and having her memory suppressed after Luke lost Kylo to the dark side.
All speculation at this point.
She should've tried it on the junker guy that was jipping her on the salvaged parts.
I enjoyed the call backs like that to the older films, that one was poorly timed and executed though IMO.
That was the first time she overtly used the force right?
Hang 10
Footballguy
Weren't those flashbacks to when she was like 4 years old? How much training could she have gotten back when she was but a wee "youngling"?
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
no idea. That is why we need to wait until 8 or 9 to get our answers for this particular question.
It is was noted earlier in the thread that the jedi believe in training people very young. I have no idea what they are taught.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
yes, it was the first we saw of it and it came after she had the "awakening" from touching Luke's lightsaber.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
My son is four. I shudder to think what the galaxy would be like if he and others his age were taught out to mind control people.
See, that's total crap to me. It wasn't even in a moment of immediate danger where she might accidentally use the force instinctively. She just sort of nonchalantly tried it... and failed... and tried again?!
shadyridr
Footballguy
huh? Right before kylo ren tried to extract information from her and he couldn't do it. Instead she read his mind and knew he was scared of not being as strong as darth Vader. That's when she realized she may have the force and what made her attempt to use it on the guard.
Hang 10
Footballguy
You're right it was a skill that she only would even be aware of from watching the first star wars. How did she even know that it was thing? It's like something out of spaceballs.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
That is how I saw the scene as well.
In fact we even hear Kylo say later that she realizes her power and that it is going to build quickly.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Hang 10
Footballguy
Sorry, that's just how I saw it. The scene was even played as comedy. "and uh..drop your weapon"
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
It was comedy. Intentionally. Why else would they have Daniel Craig do it?Sorry, that's just how I saw it. The scene was even played as comedy. "and uh..drop your weapon"
Hang 10
Footballguy
I just said it was played as comedy. Like spaceballs.It was comedy. Intentionally. Why else would they have Daniel Craig do it?Sorry, that's just how I saw it. The scene was even played as comedy. "and uh..drop your weapon"
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I guess I misunderstood your point. I thought you were criticizing the scene for playing out like comedy.I just said it was played as comedy. Like spaceballs.It was comedy. Intentionally. Why else would they have Daniel Craig do it?Sorry, that's just how I saw it. The scene was even played as comedy. "and uh..drop your weapon"
What was the point then?
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