Starting to Regret Taking Bush (1 Viewer)

[RageRhino]

I don't know but i am seriously second guessing myself for this selection. Not based off last night but based off the fact that i still see Deuce getting the majority of the carries. I think i may have shot myself in the foot by taking him.

 

[Da Guru]

Bush will be a hit or miss type of utility player. He will break a few screen passes here and there, and maybe a run here and there, but he looks really small out there. I don`t see him gettin much goal line work.

 

[Raider Nation]

 

[diesel7982]

I really dont know how people go through life jumping to conclusions so quickly.

Is this an FF-phenomenon only?

 

[Tillmanisahero]

I think he'll be ok but if you are in a PPR league you'll be very please with him as a third rounder.

 

[RatMan]

I really dont know how people go through life jumping to conclusions so quickly.Is this an FF-phenomenon only?

They probably use the Jump to Conclusions Mat the dude from Office Space invented.

 

[:ptts:]

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Bush's value is highest in PPR leagues, if you took him in one of those, dont worry.

But traditional TD leagues, not a good pick IMO

 

[helix]

Picking any Saints is a huge risk. That team just looks bad. Bush will put up some numbers, but it will not be consistent. I doubt he is an everyweek starter in a 10 man league (start 2 RB's).

 

[sstack4]

Don't feel too bad some guy in our league took him at the 14th pick in the 2nd round and in the first round he took P. Manning. Can't do worse than that.

 

[SigEp316]

I really dont know how people go through life jumping to conclusions so quickly.Is this an FF-phenomenon only?

agreed....Bush in the 3rd made me laugh out loud

 

[JimmyD]

I'd only consider Bush in flex leagues where I could draft him in the second round and know that I can get away with starting him and 2 other RB. Then the hit and miss of him is a little easier to absorb. Starting him as a #2RB could cost people enough games to miss the playoffs.

 

[Wingnut]

This is why you NEVER draft a player based on a SINGLE preseason performance, especially a ROOKIE.

Some folks never learn.

 

[dickey moe]

I don't know but i am seriously second guessing myself for this selection. Not based off last night but based off the fact that i still see Deuce getting the majority of the carries. I think i may have shot myself in the foot by taking him.

I think you picked him up at about the right spot. At least you didn't reach in the 1st Round, which it seems like a lot of people are starting to do.

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

I think he'll be ok but if you are in a PPR league you'll be very please with him as a third rounder.

Yes. You might also want to see if your league awards points if a rb gets a special teams TD, as it looks like Bush will be returning kicks.

 

[Chaka]

Don't feel too bad some guy in our league took him at the 14th pick in the 2nd round and in the first round he took P. Manning. Can't do worse than that.

The one thing I notice about Reggie is that he seems not to take negative yardage on plays. Even when the D-line breaks through on the snap Reggie seems to understand the importance of at least geting the ball back to the LOS.The Saints will be bad this year but Reggie looks like he will make the most of his touches (I am thinking 15/game).p.s. I quoted this sstack because it further emphasizes my belief that leagues in which the best QB in the NFL is not considered worthy of a first round pick are a joke.

 

[J-Co]

Mid 3rd / late 2nd in PPR seems about right to me. My thinking is that he's going to get a lot of looks but plays for a terrible team. He'll rack up decent yards and a bunch of receptions. Not going to be a consistent scorer though (maybe once every other week give or take). On one hand playing from behind a lot helps him because unlike Deuce he will stay involved in the passing game after the running game has been all but abandoned. I pretty much consider Deuce undraftable at this point (i.e. < Fred Taylor, Ahman Green, and a host of rookie/backup RBs with upside).

But don't discount just how bad this team is going to be and just how BRUTAL their schedule is. They'll be hard pressed to win 5 games. That limits what I can expect from him. Put him in Westbrook's spot in PHI and I'd take him a round earlier.

 

[#@%&$!?]

Good luck with Bush. He'll break some flashy runs and put up a few big games, do just enough to keep the hype going, then be useless for his other starts. Its call the 'Michael Vick syndrome.'

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

I think what you saw last night from the New Orleans Saints was just about the worst garbage a team could bring for an entire 1st half.

Keeping that in mind Bush still had 5 touches and had an opportunity to return a punt.

Despite New Orleans being a bad team you have to think they will be able to put some points on the board this season.

Had New Orleans had the ball just a little bit more we probably would have seen a little more Reggie.

Project his numbers over the 2nd half and you get 4 receptions ~30 yards and 15 yards rushing

In PPR leagues that still is around 8 points.

Keep in mind this is Bush's floor - what you saw last night.

 

[ujohnd]

Don't have too much remorse, the all-knowing, ESPN 'injury-man' himself, Chris Mortenson 'Mort' took Bush in the first round last night, so maybe you schooled your entire league!!!!?!!!??!!

 

[Z-Dog]

I think what you saw last night from the New Orleans Saints was just about the worst garbage a team could bring for an entire 1st half.Keeping that in mind Bush still had 5 touches and had an opportunity to return a punt. Despite New Orleans being a bad team you have to think they will be able to put some points on the board this season.Had New Orleans had the ball just a little bit more we probably would have seen a little more Reggie.Project his numbers over the 2nd half and you get 4 receptions ~30 yards and 15 yards rushingIn PPR leagues that still is around 8 points.Keep in mind this is Bush's floor - what you saw last night.

Bush's floor is lying in a crumpled heap after taking a hit tat was too big for his body.

 

[Legion of Doom]

Picking any Saints is a huge risk. That team just looks bad. Bush will put up some numbers, but it will not be consistent. I doubt he is an everyweek starter in a 10 man league (start 2 RB's).

Bingo! RB has tons of potential,but that alone cannot overcome the enigma that is 'aints'

 

[theswami]

...snipp.s. I quoted this sstack because it further emphasizes my belief that leagues in which the best QB in the NFL is not considered worthy of a first round pick are a joke.

Not to hijack the thread but why are leagues that don't over-emphasize QB points a joke?

Frankly, if you look at the better teams in NFL history that won Superbowls, how many had the elite statistical QBs? Not very many. I won't play NFL historian here because there are better people who can do that but I'm thinking about the Niners (Montana) and Cowboys (Aikman) as two very recent examples of teams winning multiple big games without the best statistical QB.

In FF just like in the NFL, you often do not need to have the best statistical QB to win. I happen to like that.

 

[saintfool]

meh. the saints offense hasn't really clicked. it's still trying to gel with all the new faces and the o-line is still patchwork because of injuries. they will look bad in the early going. the good news is that Saints offense looks equally bad and it can't be chalked up to injuries. i see a lot of playing from behind and garbage time opportunities for a player like Bush. if you're PPR then this is a goldmine...

 

[aardball44]

I really dont know how people go through life jumping to conclusions so quickly.Is this an FF-phenomenon only?

Lots of folks in the real world are wishing they'd passed on the Bush Kool-Aid, too.

 

[WhoDat]

I think what you saw last night from the New Orleans Saints was just about the worst garbage a team could bring for an entire 1st half.

Keeping that in mind Bush still had 5 touches and had an opportunity to return a punt.

Despite New Orleans being a bad team you have to think they will be able to put some points on the board this season.

Had New Orleans had the ball just a little bit more we probably would have seen a little more Reggie.

Project his numbers over the 2nd half and you get 4 receptions ~30 yards and 15 yards rushing

In PPR leagues that still is around 8 points.

Keep in mind this is Bush's floor - what you saw last night.

And that will be a problem they face all...season...long. If you can't stop the run, you can't run the football. You will have the terms and conditions of the game dictated to you not vice versa. The Cowboys whipped the Saints *** last night and did a great job of boxing Bush in with the exception of the lone PA play to Horn. Bush's talent will never be in question. He is a freakish player. His temporary situation for the upcoming season, though, should be and last night will be representative of what some of his boxscores for this upcoming season are going to look like.

The Dats are void of any difference making talent beyond the DL. There is nobody at LB or either S position capable of stopping or supporting the run with any type of consistency. They can't stop the run. Period. They are going to struggle against the pass. Often. I realize they have a few developmental players on defense at the LB and S position but, as of today, none of them are prepared to stop NFL caliber players on each and every down. Those youngsters are going to take their lumps this year. The Saint's offense is not the problem, as it appears Brees is recovering; Horn is back in decent shape; there are some options at WR 3/4; Deuce is back on the field and the OL will eventually come together. The defense, though, is and it will be something that alters how many touches Bush gets over a game and season.

The Saints are going to be playing from 10 down in the 3rd more often than not. Bush is going to be worth a fortune in a redraft league that rewards PPR or will initially pay dividends in a dynasty league. Teams are going to give him that check down underneath if and when they have hung a double digit lead on that defense. Bush's value is going to be HUGE. Saintsfool nailed that one.

However, in a straight redraft that does not award any points for receptions he is going to find it difficult to get his over the course of this year. If the Saints defense cannot force a 3 and out here and there or keep a team out of 2 & 4 or 3 & 3 or keep the Saints within 7 or less, then Bush might not produce the type of rookie numbers that seem to be expected.

Bush and Co. are going to face a number of defenses that can put as much, if not more, talent on the field than the Cowboys did last night. The road is not going to get any easier. I think people in redraft formats are starting to think Bush is about to have a Campbell, Dorsett, Simms, Anderson or James type of rookie season. I just don't see it happening. There are far too many problems for the Saints on defense.

 

[MLBrandow]

I don't know but i am seriously second guessing myself for this selection. Not based off last night but based off the fact that i still see Deuce getting the majority of the carries. I think i may have shot myself in the foot by taking him.

Can't believe that you guys think this is going to be a half/half break.Deuce is the starting RB.Bush is the 3DB + WR2.Both will see significant time in double backfield formations.This team will run a lot more than it has in the past. Teams with two solid RB threats tend to run the ball upwards of 500-550 times a season, around 30-33 attempts a game.Being that NO is expected to suck, and I wouldn't give them more than 6 wins, with their slightly improved defense, we'd likely temper our expectations to around 460-475 (slightly up from their 3-year average).Deuce McAllister290/1150/13, 37/300/1 = 1450/14Reggie Bush95/550/3, 45/525/6 = 1075/9 I'll be drinking that down it all season.

 

[switz]

Can't believe that you guys think this is going to be a half/half break.Deuce is the starting RB.Bush is the 3DB + WR2.Both will see significant time in double backfield formations.This team will run a lot more than it has in the past. Teams with two solid RB threats tend to run the ball upwards of 500-550 times a season, around 30-33 attempts a game.Being that NO is expected to suck, and I wouldn't give them more than 6 wins, with their slightly improved defense, we'd likely temper our expectations to around 460-475 (slightly up from their 3-year average).Deuce McAllister290/1150/13, 37/300/1 = 1450/14Reggie Bush95/550/3, 45/525/6 = 1075/9 I'll be drinking that down it all season.

You are kidding right? How many RBs, their first year back from a torn ACL, have EVER rushed for a grand. Especially as Deuce was not looking great the last couple years as it was...Deuce may "start" the season, but Bush will be the starter before long. And There is no way he is limited to third down RB even in game one.

 

[doughboydeluxe]

Can't believe that you guys think this is going to be a half/half break.Deuce is the starting RB.Bush is the 3DB + WR2.Both will see significant time in double backfield formations.This team will run a lot more than it has in the past. Teams with two solid RB threats tend to run the ball upwards of 500-550 times a season, around 30-33 attempts a game.Being that NO is expected to suck, and I wouldn't give them more than 6 wins, with their slightly improved defense, we'd likely temper our expectations to around 460-475 (slightly up from their 3-year average).Deuce McAllister290/1150/13, 37/300/1 = 1450/14Reggie Bush95/550/3, 45/525/6 = 1075/9 I'll be drinking that down it all season.

You are kidding right? How many RBs, their first year back from a torn ACL, have EVER rushed for a grand. Especially as Deuce was not looking great the last couple years as it was...Deuce may "start" the season, but Bush will be the starter before long. And There is no way he is limited to third down RB even in game one.

And there's no way Deuce is within 8 receptions of Bush, either. And there's no way Deuce touches the ball almost 200 times more than Bush.

 

[sstack4]

Don't feel too bad some guy in our league took him at the 14th pick in the 2nd round and in the first round he took P. Manning. Can't do worse than that.

The one thing I notice about Reggie is that he seems not to take negative yardage on plays. Even when the D-line breaks through on the snap Reggie seems to understand the importance of at least geting the ball back to the LOS.The Saints will be bad this year but Reggie looks like he will make the most of his touches (I am thinking 15/game).p.s. I quoted this sstack because it further emphasizes my belief that leagues in which the best QB in the NFL is not considered worthy of a first round pick are a joke.

I wasn't stating that taking P. Manning was a bad move in the 1st round, but that I don't think I would take R. Bush as my first RB after already passing on the other guys in the first round.

 

[cr8f]

Bush is small? He's 6' and 205 lbs. Taller than Alexander but weighs less. He's strong and fast.

Barber, Tiki 5'10" 205

The NO offense is very manilla right now as Tampa was last year with Cadillac. Bush will line up everywhere. He'll block for Deuce on a misdirection then suddenly be on the right with the ball in his hands.

Make sure you gys come back in November and re-read your un-imaginative comments.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Bush is small? He's 6' and 205 lbs. Taller than Alexander but weighs less. He's strong and fast. Barber, Tiki 5'10" 205The NO offense is very manilla right now as Tampa was last year with Cadillac. Bush will line up everywhere. He'll block for Deuce on a misdirection then suddenly be on the right with the ball in his hands. Make sure you gys come back in November and re-read your un-imaginative comments.

I agree with you....It will be great when all these guys who are doubting him now are asking where in the first round of next years FF drafts should they take Bush.

 

[Gopher State]

This is why you NEVER draft a player based on a SINGLE preseason performance, especially a ROOKIE.Some folks never learn.

very I see Bush getting maybe 12 touches in the back field per game, as he will be busy returning kicks etc. I also see him as more of a receiver in their game plan.I like Duce as a late FF pick this year, I can see him getting 16 carries and all the goal line love, granted we are talking the Saints here, so I have to temper my outlook for both players. Bottom line in 06, were not talking 07 future etc., Bush is to much of a risk to take in the 2 or 3 round of any redraft. I agree 07 and beyond maybe better.

 

[Dr. Pepper]

I don't know but i am seriously second guessing myself for this selection. Not based off last night but based off the fact that i still see Deuce getting the majority of the carries. I think i may have shot myself in the foot by taking him.

no worries my friend..he is a first round pick, and i have proven it in multiple drafts this year..

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Reggie Bush had 4 rushes and Deuce had 2

I think we will see Reggie get 300 total touches this year via the run or catch.

In a PPR league I still see him cracking the top 10.

 

[PsychoMan]

i took him rd 6 of a 10 teamer ... i also considered him round 5, but took willie parker instead ... i would not have taken him before round 5 though ...

 

[Capt Hook]

I don't know but i am seriously second guessing myself for this selection. Not based off last night but based off the fact that i still see Deuce getting the majority of the carries. I think i may have shot myself in the foot by taking him.

So let me see if I have this right - you are second guessing yourself and whining about a pick based on what happened (or didn't) in a pre season game? Sack it up it was your pick