Startup Dynasty Draft (1 Viewer)

[jeter23]

We are nearing the point of the offseason in which many startup dynasty drafts are held. In the next three weeks leading up to the NFL draft, I will be posting a series of polls asking about how you see this year's dynasty drafts unfolding.

The polls will be based on the following lineup in a 12 team league-

QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, TE, Flex (RB, WR, TE) K, D

As far as scoring, assume 4 points for passing TDs and PPR for all positions.

If you vote for other, please post and let us know who you voted for.

(1.01) 1. Ladanian Tomlinson, RB

(1.02) 2. Steven Jackson, RB

(1.03) 3. Larry Johnson, RB

(1.04) 4. Reggie Bush, RB

(1.05) 5. Frank Gore, RB

(1.06) 6. Brian Westbrook, RB

(1.07) 7. Clinton Portis, RB

(1.08) 8. Joseph Addai,RB

(1.09) 9. Laurence Maroney, RB

(1.10) 10. Larry Fitzgerald, WR

(1.11) 11. Peyton Manning, QB

(1.12) 12. Willie Parker, RB

(2.01) 13. Maurice Jones Drew, RB

(2.02) 14. Ronnie Brown, RB

(2.03) 15. Adrian Peterson, RB

(2.04) 16. Steve Smith, WR

(2.05) 17. Rudi Johnson, RB

(2.06) 18. Chad Johnson, WR

(2.07) 19. Willis McGahee, RB

(2.08) 20. Shaun Alexander, RB

(2.09) 21. Reggie Wayne, WR

(2.10) 22. Carson Palmer, QB

(2.11) 23. Antonio Gates, TE

 

[-OZ-]

With LT already on the team, I'd be looking at Roy, Holt or Boldin here. I voted Roy.

 

[fruity pebbles]

With LT already on the team, I'd be looking at Roy, Holt or Boldin here. I voted Roy.

Me too

 

[ravnzfan]

w/Palmer and Gates gone, the 1.1 owner frowns in disgust ---he was hopeing against hope that the Palmer/Gates combo would fall to him, landing him RB1-QB2-TE1 and firmly at the top of the VBD chart and virtually unstopable

that said...a WR double dip awaits, adding an experienced vet like Holt, coupled w/Rookie phenom-in-the-waiting Calvin Johnson

 

[Sheriff66]

Give me Johnson...Roy would be my second choice.

 

[Bri]

Boldin's not ranked right around here IMO.

He's phenomenal, he gets hurt, Fitz comes to town, now he's just good....huh?

He missed 8 games due to injury and still has 4600 in 4 years, 2 100 rec years and......folks really gotta re-think their opinion of this guy. Start comparing his first 4 years #s to others and he stacks up wonderfully.

Roy needs 1800 this year just to stay on pace with Boldin.

Again, Boldin doesn't get enough love around here and it's weird.

 

[-OZ-]

w/Palmer and Gates gone, the 1.1 owner frowns in disgust ---he was hopeing against hope that the Palmer/Gates combo would fall to him, landing him RB1-QB2-TE1 and firmly at the top of the VBD chart and virtually unstopablethat said...a WR double dip awaits, adding an experienced vet like Holt, coupled w/Rookie phenom-in-the-waiting Calvin Johnson

I'm curious as to why Calvin is ahead of Roy here. Is it rookie hype?a pick for the future while LT is on the team?Do people really believe that CJ will be a top 10 WR immediately?Are the votes mixed between Boldin and Roy, thus pushing CJ ahead?If I have LT, I'm taking the WR who has already produced at a top level, preferably one who is still young.I don't see CJ outproducing Roy in the near future. Certainly not in Oakland, Tampa Bay or any of the teams likely to draft him. (although I probably would have traded up for Palmer)

 

[LBH]

Boldin's not ranked right around here IMO.He's phenomenal, he gets hurt, Fitz comes to town, now he's just good....huh? He missed 8 games due to injury and still has 4600 in 4 years, 2 100 rec years and......folks really gotta re-think their opinion of this guy. Start comparing his first 4 years #s to others and he stacks up wonderfully.Roy needs 1800 this year just to stay on pace with Boldin. Again, Boldin doesn't get enough love around here and it's weird.

I agree with you, and the fact hes going to be used much in the same way that Hines Ward was used with the Steelers makes me think hes going to have a huge year given that hes more physically gifted than Ward has ever been(at least imo)

 

[Pickle Rody]

I voted for, and like Boldin over the other WR's listed. You can pick another WR or RB with the next pick. Since it's PPR, I'd go WR. Holt over Cal Johnson at this time, but would ultimately depend on where Cal lands next weekend.

 

[Ned]

Torry Holt [ 11 ] ** [20.75%]Anquan Boldin [ 9 ] ** [16.98%]Calvin Johnson [ 10 ] ** [18.87%]Roy Williams [ 7 ] ** [13.21%]

this is sick. i dont care how good of a prospect you are im not drafting you in front of these other 3 wrs. especially roy and anquan.

 

[EBF]

Good lord Calvin Johnson is overrated.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Good luck with the runoff Jeter. Clear as mud.

 

[jeter23]

Good luck with the runoff Jeter. Clear as mud.

Yeah, I hate the runoffs, but we need one almost every time. I will wait a while longer on this one.

 

[ravnzfan]

w/Palmer and Gates gone, the 1.1 owner frowns in disgust ---he was hopeing against hope that the Palmer/Gates combo would fall to him, landing him RB1-QB2-TE1 and firmly at the top of the VBD chart and virtually unstopable

that said...a WR double dip awaits, adding an experienced vet like Holt, coupled w/Rookie phenom-in-the-waiting Calvin Johnson

I'm curious as to why Calvin is ahead of Roy here. Is it rookie hype?

a pick for the future while LT is on the team?

Do people really believe that CJ will be a top 10 WR immediately?

Are the votes mixed between Boldin and Roy, thus pushing CJ ahead?

If I have LT, I'm taking the WR who has already produced at a top level, preferably one who is still young.

I don't see CJ outproducing Roy in the near future. Certainly not in Oakland, Tampa Bay or any of the teams likely to draft him.

(although I probably would have traded up for Palmer)

yet the same could be said for Roy when he went to Det, or Boldin/Fitz when they went to Az---now how do you feel about those players?a little study---I've looked back over the 6 drafts from '00-'05 and examined the 2 best WR's from each class

(not the 2 highest selected, but the 2 best, based on their production--the assumption here is CJ is 1 of the 2 best WR's in '07 class)

I charted rookie production for each player, and then the amount of time it took to break 1000 yd season...

the results (best-worst rookie seasons...yr drafted-stats)

'03-Boldin.......101-1377-8

'03-AJohnson...66-976-4

'04-RWilliams...54-817-8

'04-LFitzgerald...58-780-8

'00-DJackson.....53-713-6

'05-BEdwards....32-512-3

'02-DBranch......43-489-2

'05-MkClayton....44-471-2

'01-Wayne.........27-345-0

'02-JWalker......23-319-1

'00-PBurress.....23-273-0

'00-SMoss.......hurt

next, we look at the #of seasons it took to break 1000yds/best season, ranked by production in yards (yrs---stat line)

(2)-Fitzgerald...103-1409-10

(3)-Walker.......89-1382-12

(1)-Boldin........101-1377-8

(3)-RWilliams....82-1310-7

(4)-RWayne.....77-1210-12

(2)-AJohnson....79-1142-6

(3)-SMoss........74-1105-10

(2)-DJackson...70-1081-8

(2)-PBurress....66-1008-6

(4)-DBranch.....78-998-5

(2)-MClayton....67-939-5

(2)-BEdwards....61-884-6

omitting Edwards and Clayton in section 2 (as they've only played 2 yrs and haven't broken 1K), 5 of the 10 players broke 1K by their 2nd season, 4 of the 5 in their 3rd, while that slacker Reggie Wayne took 4

in projecting Calvin Johnson, let's throw out '03 phenom seasons by Boldin and AJ, and project him the avg of Roy Williams (Det) and Larry Fitzgerald (AZ, and w/Boldin)

rookie projection: 56-800-8

how soon to 1K yd year, and what might that season be?

again, let's throw out the top 2 and avg 3&4(Boldin and Roy)

2nd year: 90-1345-8

if we like Roy Williams so much (and we should), I see Johnson being at least as productive as Williams was yrs 1 and 2, if not more...and you get a guy 2 yrs younger

keep in mind some of these players are on Detroit, Arizona, Cleveland, Baltimore and Houston---not exactly passing giants!

I can take that risk w/a player like Calvin----keeping in mind only because Tomlinson and another WR vet like Holt, Williams or Boldin is paired w/him

 

[cstu]

With LT already on the team, I'd be looking at Roy, Holt or Boldin here. I voted Roy.

 

[cstu]

w/Palmer and Gates gone, the 1.1 owner frowns in disgust ---he was hopeing against hope that the Palmer/Gates combo would fall to him, landing him RB1-QB2-TE1 and firmly at the top of the VBD chart and virtually unstopable

that said...a WR double dip awaits, adding an experienced vet like Holt, coupled w/Rookie phenom-in-the-waiting Calvin Johnson

I'm curious as to why Calvin is ahead of Roy here. Is it rookie hype?

a pick for the future while LT is on the team?

Do people really believe that CJ will be a top 10 WR immediately?

Are the votes mixed between Boldin and Roy, thus pushing CJ ahead?

If I have LT, I'm taking the WR who has already produced at a top level, preferably one who is still young.

I don't see CJ outproducing Roy in the near future. Certainly not in Oakland, Tampa Bay or any of the teams likely to draft him.

(although I probably would have traded up for Palmer)

yet the same could be said for Roy when he went to Det, or Boldin/Fitz when they went to Az---now how do you feel about those players?a little study---I've looked back over the 6 drafts from '00-'05 and examined the 2 best WR's from each class

(not the 2 highest selected, but the 2 best, based on their production--the assumption here is CJ is 1 of the 2 best WR's in '07 class)

I charted rookie production for each player, and then the amount of time it took to break 1000 yd season...

the results (best-worst rookie seasons...yr drafted-stats)

'03-Boldin.......101-1377-8

'03-AJohnson...66-976-4

'04-RWilliams...54-817-8

'04-LFitzgerald...58-780-8

'00-DJackson.....53-713-6

'05-BEdwards....32-512-3

'02-DBranch......43-489-2

'05-MkClayton....44-471-2

'01-Wayne.........27-345-0

'02-JWalker......23-319-1

'00-PBurress.....23-273-0

'00-SMoss.......hurt

next, we look at the #of seasons it took to break 1000yds/best season, ranked by production in yards (yrs---stat line)

(2)-Fitzgerald...103-1409-10

(3)-Walker.......89-1382-12

(1)-Boldin........101-1377-8

(3)-RWilliams....82-1310-7

(4)-RWayne.....77-1210-12

(2)-AJohnson....79-1142-6

(3)-SMoss........74-1105-10

(2)-DJackson...70-1081-8

(2)-PBurress....66-1008-6

(4)-DBranch.....78-998-5

(2)-MClayton....67-939-5

(2)-BEdwards....61-884-6

omitting Edwards and Clayton in section 2 (as they've only played 2 yrs and haven't broken 1K), 5 of the 10 players broke 1K by their 2nd season, 4 of the 5 in their 3rd, while that slacker Reggie Wayne took 4

in projecting Calvin Johnson, let's throw out '03 phenom seasons by Boldin and AJ, and project him the avg of Roy Williams (Det) and Larry Fitzgerald (AZ, and w/Boldin)

rookie projection: 56-800-8

how soon to 1K yd year, and what might that season be?

again, let's throw out the top 2 and avg 3&4(Boldin and Roy)

2nd year: 90-1345-8

if we like Roy Williams so much (and we should), I see Johnson being at least as productive as Williams was yrs 1 and 2, if not more...and you get a guy 2 yrs younger

keep in mind some of these players are on Detroit, Arizona, Cleveland, Baltimore and Houston---not exactly passing giants!

I can take that risk w/a player like Calvin----keeping in mind only because Tomlinson and another WR vet like Holt, Williams or Boldin is paired w/him

You actually get a guy who is nearly 4 years younger, but that isn't enough for me to draft him over Roy. I would much rather have the guy who is just entering his prime and a proven FF stud over the potential of a rookie. I'm not sure why you are down on Detroit's passing offense considering what he did in his first year in Martz's offense (one that almost made MIKE FURREY into a 100 catch WR!).

 

[ravnzfan]

w/Palmer and Gates gone, the 1.1 owner frowns in disgust ---he was hopeing against hope that the Palmer/Gates combo would fall to him, landing him RB1-QB2-TE1 and firmly at the top of the VBD chart and virtually unstopable

that said...a WR double dip awaits, adding an experienced vet like Holt, coupled w/Rookie phenom-in-the-waiting Calvin Johnson

I'm curious as to why Calvin is ahead of Roy here. Is it rookie hype?

a pick for the future while LT is on the team?

Do people really believe that CJ will be a top 10 WR immediately?

Are the votes mixed between Boldin and Roy, thus pushing CJ ahead?

If I have LT, I'm taking the WR who has already produced at a top level, preferably one who is still young.

I don't see CJ outproducing Roy in the near future. Certainly not in Oakland, Tampa Bay or any of the teams likely to draft him.

(although I probably would have traded up for Palmer)

yet the same could be said for Roy when he went to Det, or Boldin/Fitz when they went to Az---now how do you feel about those players?a little study---I've looked back over the 6 drafts from '00-'05 and examined the 2 best WR's from each class

(not the 2 highest selected, but the 2 best, based on their production--the assumption here is CJ is 1 of the 2 best WR's in '07 class)

I charted rookie production for each player, and then the amount of time it took to break 1000 yd season...

the results (best-worst rookie seasons...yr drafted-stats)

'03-Boldin.......101-1377-8

'03-AJohnson...66-976-4

'04-RWilliams...54-817-8

'04-LFitzgerald...58-780-8

'00-DJackson.....53-713-6

'05-BEdwards....32-512-3

'02-DBranch......43-489-2

'05-MkClayton....44-471-2

'01-Wayne.........27-345-0

'02-JWalker......23-319-1

'00-PBurress.....23-273-0

'00-SMoss.......hurt

next, we look at the #of seasons it took to break 1000yds/best season, ranked by production in yards (yrs---stat line)

(2)-Fitzgerald...103-1409-10

(3)-Walker.......89-1382-12

(1)-Boldin........101-1377-8

(3)-RWilliams....82-1310-7

(4)-RWayne.....77-1210-12

(2)-AJohnson....79-1142-6

(3)-SMoss........74-1105-10

(2)-DJackson...70-1081-8

(2)-PBurress....66-1008-6

(4)-DBranch.....78-998-5

(2)-MClayton....67-939-5

(2)-BEdwards....61-884-6

omitting Edwards and Clayton in section 2 (as they've only played 2 yrs and haven't broken 1K), 5 of the 10 players broke 1K by their 2nd season, 4 of the 5 in their 3rd, while that slacker Reggie Wayne took 4

in projecting Calvin Johnson, let's throw out '03 phenom seasons by Boldin and AJ, and project him the avg of Roy Williams (Det) and Larry Fitzgerald (AZ, and w/Boldin)

rookie projection: 56-800-8

how soon to 1K yd year, and what might that season be?

again, let's throw out the top 2 and avg 3&4(Boldin and Roy)

2nd year: 90-1345-8

if we like Roy Williams so much (and we should), I see Johnson being at least as productive as Williams was yrs 1 and 2, if not more...and you get a guy 2 yrs younger

keep in mind some of these players are on Detroit, Arizona, Cleveland, Baltimore and Houston---not exactly passing giants!

I can take that risk w/a player like Calvin----keeping in mind only because Tomlinson and another WR vet like Holt, Williams or Boldin is paired w/him

You actually get a guy who is nearly 4 years younger, but that isn't enough for me to draft him over Roy. I would much rather have the guy who is just entering his prime and a proven FF stud over the potential of a rookie. I'm not sure why you are down on Detroit's passing offense considering what he did in his first year in Martz's offense (one that almost made MIKE FURREY into a 100 catch WR!).

we missed the point here---I'd take Holt, Roy or Boldin w/1 pick ... and Johnson w/the otherand I'm comparing where these guys went as rookies and the perception of the team they were drafted to---not the perception of the team as it is today

several have talked about how the situation in Oak, TB, etc would have them shy away from Johnson...the situations on the those teams stunk for the guys I mentioned, yet the rookie years and the 1st 1K season by the top 25-33% of those players was certainly enough for me to overlook the situation and draft the talent---ie, BPA

...and by most accounts, Calvin Johnson is the best player available in this draft

I admit my risk/tolerance is twice that of most people...EBF almost fell out of his chair when we drafted MOX-IV and I selected Larry Johnson w/the 1.12 of the original veteran draft----WITH the Padre still starting!

I made the playoffs that year and again this past season, plus drafted/traded for CPalmer, DDriver, RWayne, Furrey, Mk Clayton (in a 14 team league)



I do not put a team together the same twice....w/LT and another top flight WR already rostered, I absolutey take CJ on the turn

 

[jeter23]

Cadillac Williams [ 9 ] [12.33%]

DeAngelo Williams [ 3 ] [4.11%]

Cedric Benson [ 9 ] [12.33%]

Torry Holt [ 18 ] [24.66%]

Anquan Boldin [ 13 ] [17.81%]

Calvin Johnson [ 11 ] [15.07%]

Roy Williams [ 9 ] [12.33%]

Other [ 1 ] [1.37%]