Stat Changes....Discussion Topic (1 Viewer)

[Beetlejuice]

I'm curious as to how important it really is to the NFL to "get it right" when it comes to stats and judgment plays- for example the two links that are below. The first one is the Boldin play from yesterday, the second the Brees to Moore play from Saturday night. Both of them are very "close" and could go either way as a pass or lateral/run- but both are TD passes as of now. I fully understand that Elias and the NFL could not possibly care less about fantasy football so I'm not going in that direction with the question, my question is how much do they care about calling each play a pass versus a run or for that matter correcting any stat in a given week? Most every week there is a stat change that awards "x" a sack or assigns "y" the fumble instead of "z" or something along those lines. Does the NFLPA push for stats to be as correct as possible due to existing contracts and future negotiations? Does the NFL as a league care enough to push Elias to really study a play that closely (such as these two) or will they only change stats on a play that is glaring and obvious? I realize nobody knows the exact answer...just asking the question as a season ending discussion topic if nothing else.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig.../Anquan-wins-it

http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-orleans-sain.../Moore-TD-catch

 

[Young 8]

a given week? Most every week there is a stat change that awards "x" a sack or assigns "y" the fumble instead of "z" or something along those lines. Does the NFLPA push for stats to be as correct as possible due to existing contracts and future negotiations?

Players careEspecially in "contract years"

 

[PosterNutBag]

here is a thread discussing the Brees to Moore pass/run

 

[Beetlejuice]

I agree...but in the case of both of these examples a statistical change would "penalize" Warner and/or Brees a TD pass. No real change for Boldin or Moore as it becomes rushing yards rather than a reception and receiving yards- but this is a statistical situation where the NFLPA would likely "not" want to see a change. With that being said, the reverse would be true for the NFL- assuming that one less TD pass would have some sort of potential numerical affect on the next Warner or Brees contract? I realize that is being very trivial, but it is what it is.

Again, I'm just curious as to how much it all really matters in the big scheme of things....or if it is close they just leave it as is to appease the players as in this case of the TD pass versus run/lateral. Some of the stat changes are easy to see on film, again using the example of crediting one guy with a sack rather than another or giving a fumble to the QB rather than the RB on a bothed handoff or pitch for example.

 

[PosterNutBag]

I agree...but in the case of both of these examples a statistical change would "penalize" Warner and/or Brees a TD pass. No real change for Boldin or Moore as it becomes rushing yards rather than a reception and receiving yards- but this is a statistical situation where the NFLPA would likely "not" want to see a change. With that being said, the reverse would be true for the NFL- assuming that one less TD pass would have some sort of potential numerical affect on the next Warner or Brees contract? I realize that is being very trivial, but it is what it is.Again, I'm just curious as to how much it all really matters in the big scheme of things....or if it is close they just leave it as is to appease the players as in this case of the TD pass versus run/lateral. Some of the stat changes are easy to see on film, again using the example of crediting one guy with a sack rather than another or giving a fumble to the QB rather than the RB on a bothed handoff or pitch for example.

I would be shocked to hear that the NFLPA has any rooting interest in this at all. My personal opinion as an outsider is that the NFL is just doing it's own due diligence in trying to keep the most accurate statistics and record book possible and that's it.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm curious as to how important it really is to the NFL to "get it right" when it comes to stats and judgment plays- for example the two links that are below. The first one is the Boldin play from yesterday, the second the Brees to Moore play from Saturday night. Both of them are very "close" and could go either way as a pass or lateral/run- but both are TD passes as of now. I fully understand that Elias and the NFL could not possibly care less about fantasy football so I'm not going in that direction with the question, my question is how much do they care about calling each play a pass versus a run or for that matter correcting any stat in a given week? Most every week there is a stat change that awards "x" a sack or assigns "y" the fumble instead of "z" or something along those lines. Does the NFLPA push for stats to be as correct as possible due to existing contracts and future negotiations? Does the NFL as a league care enough to push Elias to really study a play that closely (such as these two) or will they only change stats on a play that is glaring and obvious? I realize nobody knows the exact answer...just asking the question as a season ending discussion topic if nothing else.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig.../Anquan-wins-it

http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-orleans-sain.../Moore-TD-catch

Somebody somewhere in one of these FBG threads suggested emailing or calling Elias and indicated they loved such comments and requests for changes and that they actually looked at them and considered such arguments.Does anyone know if this is true and has anyone ever tried that?

 

[Beetlejuice]

here is a thread discussing the Brees to Moore pass/run

Thanks....I've seen that thread. It is more related to whether or not the change would be made for fantasy purposes and the affect it could have on games for this week. I'm not really going there with this discussion, I'm more interested in the thought behind making a change and how important it is to get those plays and others that may be similar "correct" in the big scheme of things. I guess the question is how closely does Elias really look? Who alerts them to the potential play and the potential stat change that may need to be made? How important is it to the players themselves to get that additional sack and/or TD pass and maybe taking away that stat from their teammate? How much pressure is put on Elias by the NFLPA to "get it right"? How closely does the NFL watch to change a stat that might affect a future contract negotiation ever so insignificantly...assuming previous stats affect future contracts in some way and they obviously do to some extent. I don't think there are many if any statistical incentives in contracts in football as there are in baseball so maybe that is not as important?Lots of different ways to go with this discussion I guess....