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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
they just talked about that on the podcast
they thought it was odd last week, but I'm pretty sure cle has been generous with assists in the past -- just maybe not to this extent.
last year dq was 63-51
they thought it was odd last week, but I'm pretty sure cle has been generous with assists in the past -- just maybe not to this extent.
last year dq was 63-51
Mistabishi
Footballguy
Some of those Jackson assists were hilarious. He'd slap a guy's foot while two others were making the tackles. Then he'd get an assist. Jackson is looking quite pitiful lately btw. He has no vision to shed blocks and it seems the tackle has to have an easy path or he won't make it. He's a LB3 right now benefiting from this assist happy crew.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
I noticed that too. Alonso did appear to be in on every play so I had no issue with his assist totals - but Jackson...c'mon.
TheCommish
Footballguy
I thought Alonso had more solos than what he ended up with. He stuffed a goal line play by himself and was credited with an assist. The random stat crews are the only thing I hate about IDP. Otherwise, I love it.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Couldn't disagree more.
D'Q is a huge reason why Horton's defense was ranked 4th heading into last night's game against the run, top-ten overall. He fits great. He's playing solidly all around.
If you're complaint is that his stat-line isn't loft for IDP fantasy football purposes then sure he's not in a lousy defense that highights him, where every run lane is funnelled to him to fill and load up on tackles to inflate his stat-line. But he's doing a solid job in NFL terms. So is LB Craig Robertson.
I thought that D'Qwell and SS TJ Ward could possibly have more blitz opportunities in this scheme but its not a gimmicky defense. Their are blitzes but they come within a solid scheme. The only fluky-type bitz we've seen is that one from CB Chris Owens on the blind-side where Andy Dalton was rolling to the left and Owens came off the right edge unblocked and nailed him forcing the fumble so it was a half-field read where his guy must have been passed to the safety so schematically it was a sound blitz. A rare odd-ball blitz that worked but Horton must have seen something where he knew Dalton was rolling to one side of the field and only reading one-side which free'd up the CB on the opposite side of the play so he dialed up a blitz to counter that play and it worked.
No NFL fan can honestly look at LB D'Qwell Jackson and say he doesn't fit in Ray Horton's defense.
D'Q and Craig Robertson fit Ray Horton's scheme and the success of the overall defense is proof.
A disgruntled fantasy football fan could say that D'Q isn't racking up big IDP points. That is fine but Horton's job is to run an effective defense and he is and D'Qwell Jackson is a big reason why it has been effective and Ray Horton is on record as saying that he hasn't even opened up half of his defensive playbook.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
Cleveland home games are turning into another Redskin home game with these stat lines.
Mistabishi
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
I checked the pass comps and rush attempts (minus td) cle defense has faced this year and last year, along with the tackles produced.
looks like projected 2013 matches 2012 pretty closely in terms of pass and rush opportunity
looks like the db tackles match up pretty well, however proj 2013 front 7 assist/solo = 91%, while 2012 was only 59%
solos seem like they match up fairly well, so I think the biggest discrepancy is the number of assists awarded --- a 59% clip would've produced only 59, so far, rather than 91. which is 32 extra, or ~50% more.
2013 cle 111 pass comp + 133 rush att = 244
front 7 - 100 solo - 91 assist
db - 94 - 21
proj 2013 cle 355 pass comp + 426 ra = 781
front 7 - 320 - 291 = 91%
db - 301 - 67 = 22%
2012 cle 351 pass comp + 443 rush att = 794
front 7 - 362 - 214 = 59% ast/solo
db - 321 - 73 = 23%
total - 683 - 287
I think I'll edit in cincy, as that was the team they were jokingly(?) comparing this cle crew to.
2012 cincy 330 pass comp + 410 rush att = 740
front 7 - 364 - 248 = 68% assist/solo
db - 247 - 113 = 46%
total - 611 - 361
so, it seems like the cincy front 7 ate up proportionately more tackles compared with the db corps, but total solos are in line with the reduced opps.
front 7 assists are slightly padded, relative to 2012 cle, but what stands out are the padded db assists
this is kind of a hamfisted look as I used season stats due to laziness, rather than splitting out home stats, as I probably should have.
also, projected 2013 cle is probably a little skewed due to 3 home games to 2 road games so far
looks like projected 2013 matches 2012 pretty closely in terms of pass and rush opportunity
looks like the db tackles match up pretty well, however proj 2013 front 7 assist/solo = 91%, while 2012 was only 59%
solos seem like they match up fairly well, so I think the biggest discrepancy is the number of assists awarded --- a 59% clip would've produced only 59, so far, rather than 91. which is 32 extra, or ~50% more.
2013 cle 111 pass comp + 133 rush att = 244
front 7 - 100 solo - 91 assist
db - 94 - 21
proj 2013 cle 355 pass comp + 426 ra = 781
front 7 - 320 - 291 = 91%
db - 301 - 67 = 22%
2012 cle 351 pass comp + 443 rush att = 794
front 7 - 362 - 214 = 59% ast/solo
db - 321 - 73 = 23%
total - 683 - 287
I think I'll edit in cincy, as that was the team they were jokingly(?) comparing this cle crew to.
2012 cincy 330 pass comp + 410 rush att = 740
front 7 - 364 - 248 = 68% assist/solo
db - 247 - 113 = 46%
total - 611 - 361
so, it seems like the cincy front 7 ate up proportionately more tackles compared with the db corps, but total solos are in line with the reduced opps.
front 7 assists are slightly padded, relative to 2012 cle, but what stands out are the padded db assists
this is kind of a hamfisted look as I used season stats due to laziness, rather than splitting out home stats, as I probably should have.
also, projected 2013 cle is probably a little skewed due to 3 home games to 2 road games so far
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Mac on crack.
Said the Browns would struggle against the run because our inside linebackers were too small.
Browns are one of the top defenses in the NFL against the run.
Mac jumped the gun too soon on CB Buster Skrine but much to his credit he came back to own up to that take but he hasn't with D'Q and Craig Robertson being too small and now he pushes that bad take to the evelope by saying D'Qwell is misfit in Ray Horton's scheme.
Unless people are new to IDP they know the each team has different scoreres for tackles and assisted tackles. Pittsburgh used to be one of the stingiest scorers for tackles period. Arizona used to dish them out like candy at Halloween. If their are skewed solo VS assist tackles with the Browns scorers then its very useful IDP information but D'Q is thee-guy calling plays in the huddle.
He's not a misfit in Horton's system, unless you're on crack. Best way to prove he's miscast to explain how the Cleveland defense has been top-five. Go ahead explain that one Mac.
Said the Browns would struggle against the run because our inside linebackers were too small.
Browns are one of the top defenses in the NFL against the run.
Mac jumped the gun too soon on CB Buster Skrine but much to his credit he came back to own up to that take but he hasn't with D'Q and Craig Robertson being too small and now he pushes that bad take to the evelope by saying D'Qwell is misfit in Ray Horton's scheme.
Unless people are new to IDP they know the each team has different scoreres for tackles and assisted tackles. Pittsburgh used to be one of the stingiest scorers for tackles period. Arizona used to dish them out like candy at Halloween. If their are skewed solo VS assist tackles with the Browns scorers then its very useful IDP information but D'Q is thee-guy calling plays in the huddle.
He's not a misfit in Horton's system, unless you're on crack. Best way to prove he's miscast to explain how the Cleveland defense has been top-five. Go ahead explain that one Mac.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
From today.
D'Qwell Jackson is getting props for his role in leading the Browns defense.
Horton made some interesting comments a few weeks back about how linebackers have been changing all over the NFL from big run stuffers to chaning to offset the new passing attacks that the league has incorporated.
If you think about it, very few teams operate smash mouth run first offenses.
This story doesn't delve into the macro aspect of the league and the new role of linebackers, it just gives justified props to D'Qwell Jackson.
He really has been playing good NFL football even if IDP players are upset or don't want to hear it.
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2013/10/06/jackson-guiding-browns-into-new-defensive-system.html
Jackson guiding Browns into new defensive system... Horton immediately knew that Jackson, an eight-year NFL veteran and the longest-tenured member of the Browns, meant business. Horton also realized that Jackson would be invaluable in helping the team convert from the 4-3 scheme employed by former defensive coordinator **** Jauron to his 3-4, multifront system.
... Jackson, 30, has clicked with Horton from the start, and their chemistry has been a catalyst for the defense’s improvement. Last season, the defense ranked 23rd overall (363.8 yards allowed per game), tied for 18th against the run (118.6 rushing yards allowed per game), ranked 25th against the pass (245.2 passing yards allowed) and finished 19th in points allowed (23.0).
... Many believed the 6-foot, 240-pound Jackson would not be as effective as an inside linebacker in Horton’s scheme as he was the past two seasons as a middle linebacker in Jauron’s 4-3 system. But Jackson has 49 tackles, 21 more than any other Browns player and the most in the NFL entering Sunday, two passes defensed and a forced fumble.
“D’Qwell studies day in and day out, and he’s a perfectionist,” Horton said. “For us, we just knew that he could play football, and it doesn’t really matter what scheme you play. You make a call and let your players do it. If anybody ever says, ‘He’s not this type of player,’ I’m like, ‘Is he a football player? Let’s just go play football.’ Now obviously you’ve got to call different things and then suit what they do best, but it’s still football. It’s still tackling when it comes down to it, and he is a gifted athlete.”
Still, Jackson’s greatest contribution to the Browns isn’t his on-field production.
“DQ is a great leader,” strong safety T.J. Ward said. “He makes the defense move. He is the heart and soul of our defense, and what he says goes. If you follow him, you are following someone who’s doing everything right. He is going to leave his heart and soul on the field. That’s what you want from a leader. I think
He embodies everything Horton wants from the defense.
“He’s really instrumental in changing the culture with us,” Horton said. “This is what it takes to be a championship-caliber type defense, and he’s been really an extra coach on the field for me.” ...
D'Qwell Jackson is getting props for his role in leading the Browns defense.
Horton made some interesting comments a few weeks back about how linebackers have been changing all over the NFL from big run stuffers to chaning to offset the new passing attacks that the league has incorporated.
If you think about it, very few teams operate smash mouth run first offenses.
This story doesn't delve into the macro aspect of the league and the new role of linebackers, it just gives justified props to D'Qwell Jackson.
He really has been playing good NFL football even if IDP players are upset or don't want to hear it.
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2013/10/06/jackson-guiding-browns-into-new-defensive-system.html
Jackson guiding Browns into new defensive system... Horton immediately knew that Jackson, an eight-year NFL veteran and the longest-tenured member of the Browns, meant business. Horton also realized that Jackson would be invaluable in helping the team convert from the 4-3 scheme employed by former defensive coordinator **** Jauron to his 3-4, multifront system.
... Jackson, 30, has clicked with Horton from the start, and their chemistry has been a catalyst for the defense’s improvement. Last season, the defense ranked 23rd overall (363.8 yards allowed per game), tied for 18th against the run (118.6 rushing yards allowed per game), ranked 25th against the pass (245.2 passing yards allowed) and finished 19th in points allowed (23.0).
... Many believed the 6-foot, 240-pound Jackson would not be as effective as an inside linebacker in Horton’s scheme as he was the past two seasons as a middle linebacker in Jauron’s 4-3 system. But Jackson has 49 tackles, 21 more than any other Browns player and the most in the NFL entering Sunday, two passes defensed and a forced fumble.
“D’Qwell studies day in and day out, and he’s a perfectionist,” Horton said. “For us, we just knew that he could play football, and it doesn’t really matter what scheme you play. You make a call and let your players do it. If anybody ever says, ‘He’s not this type of player,’ I’m like, ‘Is he a football player? Let’s just go play football.’ Now obviously you’ve got to call different things and then suit what they do best, but it’s still football. It’s still tackling when it comes down to it, and he is a gifted athlete.”
Still, Jackson’s greatest contribution to the Browns isn’t his on-field production.
“DQ is a great leader,” strong safety T.J. Ward said. “He makes the defense move. He is the heart and soul of our defense, and what he says goes. If you follow him, you are following someone who’s doing everything right. He is going to leave his heart and soul on the field. That’s what you want from a leader. I think
He embodies everything Horton wants from the defense.
“He’s really instrumental in changing the culture with us,” Horton said. “This is what it takes to be a championship-caliber type defense, and he’s been really an extra coach on the field for me.” ...
