Steal of the 2008 dynasty draft (1 Viewer)

[Captain Spaulding]

Our 12 team IDP dynasty league has a 4 round draft each year. Primarily its all rookie draft but you can also draft veterans if there are any out there...a few veterans go in the 3rd and 4th rounds. Between seasons the free agent pool is locked from waiver pickups. Bradshaw never was rostered. Would he be a reach at the 1.07 pick next season? He is already a lock to at least split 50% next season and looks really good as an NFL back to me as of late. I've had alot of failures in picking rookies.

Thoughts! Sorry this is sort of a grey area topic between the assistant coach forum.

 

[loose circuits]

I'd put him at the beginning of the 2nd round. I just see a lot of these backs being picked up by teams and having a shot down the road. Bradshaw's upside is much lower than a guy like Tashard Choice or Matt Forte that can carry the load IMO. Of course that depends on where they end up

I also am not sure Bradshaw is 'guaranteed' 50% of the carries. If Jacobs can stay healthy, I see more of a 70/30 split with Bradshaw being the 3rd down/COP role. At 1.7, I'd much rather have a Jamaal Charles, Ray Rice, or Kevin Smith ahead of Bradshaw for sure.

 

[Couch Potato]

He is already a lock to at least split 50% next season...

There's the flaw in your thinking. He'll more likely be the minor partner in a RBBC and will not get the goal line carries. I don't think that's worth passing up a rookie at 1.07 for. I got MJD lower than that, and also Bowe last year. Boldin, Roethlisberger, Brandon Marshall, and lots of other guys are drafted lower. I'd aim for more upside with that pick than Bradshaw.

 

[dmac37]

I like Bradshaw to be in a RBBC next year, but I see him being on the plus side of 50% as the year goes on. Hind sight now, but why didn't you stash him before the end of the season. As much as I like him, I don't know about taking him at 1.7. Maybe we will know more about the NYG RB situation after the super bowl and during the off season.

 

[AllVolUT]

I'd put him at the beginning of the 2nd round. I just see a lot of these backs being picked up by teams and having a shot down the road. Bradshaw's upside is much lower than a guy like Tashard Choice or Matt Forte that can carry the load IMO. Of course that depends on where they end upI also am not sure Bradshaw is 'guaranteed' 50% of the carries. If Jacobs can stay healthy, I see more of a 70/30 split with Bradshaw being the 3rd down/COP role. At 1.7, I'd much rather have a Jamaal Charles, Ray Rice, or Kevin Smith ahead of Bradshaw for sure.

A healthy Ward played well too. Droughns might vulture some carries...I simply can't see Bradshaw getting upwards of 50% of the carries, barring injury of course.

 

[madd futher]

"I'd put him at the beginning of the 2nd round. I just see a lot of these backs being picked up by teams and having a shot down the road. Bradshaw's upside is much lower than a guy like Tashard Choice or Matt Forte that can carry the load IMO. Of course that depends on where they end up"

"At 1.7, I'd much rather have a Jamaal Charles, Ray Rice, or Kevin Smith ahead of Bradshaw for sure."

I TOTALLY disagree with BOTH of these. All of these guys he mentioned have a MUCH higher risk factor than Bradshaw, and i don't see a compensating reward factor. The best of these is probably Charles, but he is a question mark.

We'll find out a lot more tomorrow, but I'm as high on Bradshaw as you are. From what I've seen so far, the kid is strong, explosive and has excellent vision. I'm projecting 60% or more of the carries next year.

a. My guess is that Ward will go via free agency.

b. Bradshaw is more explosive and less injury prone than Jacobs.

c. Droughns is a journeyman and will not vulture much IMO.

I don't really know who your other main choices are, but I say go for it at 1.07. If there are only the rookies and no other quality RBs available, this looks like a no brainer.

 

[Boone22]

Wow, the rookie hype machine is in full swing. Bradshaw has already proven he can get it done in the NFL. Right now he's playing behind one of the more fragile RBs in the NFL. What is there not to like about his vision, agility, and situation? Do you really think the 1.07 pick will have a better situation? Not to mention any rookie picked at that spot will be unproven.

 

[JPeso]

Bradshaw never was rostered. Would he be a reach at the 1.07 pick next season?

I think if you really wanted Bradshaw you could move down to the end of the 1st and still get him, and pick up value elsewhere. In my eyes, a guy like Kevin Smith will not be in a better position than Bradshaw to get a full-time gig.

 

[KoolKat]

He is already a lock to at least split 50% next season...

There's the flaw in your thinking. He'll more likely be the minor partner in a RBBC and will not get the goal line carries. I don't think that's worth passing up a rookie at 1.07 for. I got MJD lower than that, and also Bowe last year. Boldin, Roethlisberger, Brandon Marshall, and lots of other guys are drafted lower. I'd aim for more upside with that pick than Bradshaw.

If Ward comes back and is healthy, there is no reason to think he couldn't get 5-10 touches a game too.

 

[Statorama]

Wow, the rookie hype machine is in full swing.

 

[loose circuits]

He is already a lock to at least split 50% next season...

There's the flaw in your thinking. He'll more likely be the minor partner in a RBBC and will not get the goal line carries. I don't think that's worth passing up a rookie at 1.07 for. I got MJD lower than that, and also Bowe last year. Boldin, Roethlisberger, Brandon Marshall, and lots of other guys are drafted lower. I'd aim for more upside with that pick than Bradshaw.

If Ward comes back and is healthy, there is no reason to think he couldn't get 5-10 touches a game too.

Ward is out the door as a UFA.Guess it all depends on where the rookies go. I wonder how Bradshaw has 'proven' he's a quality RB. A few good carries does not make a NFL career. Need I refer to guys like Fason, Moore, Suggs, Goings, etc... who all showed a little and then disappeared

 

[az_prof]

Depending on how the carries are split in the SB today, whether Ward is resigned, and what happens in the off season, this may be a very Shark move. Jacobs has played well but he has been injury prone and has had problems fumbling. Although Bradshaw is on the small side, he is not so small that he could not become an everydown back.

 

[Captain Spaulding]

He is already a lock to at least split 50% next season...

There's the flaw in your thinking. He'll more likely be the minor partner in a RBBC and will not get the goal line carries. I don't think that's worth passing up a rookie at 1.07 for. I got MJD lower than that, and also Bowe last year. Boldin, Roethlisberger, Brandon Marshall, and lots of other guys are drafted lower. I'd aim for more upside with that pick than Bradshaw.

If Ward comes back and is healthy, there is no reason to think he couldn't get 5-10 touches a game too.

Ward is out the door as a UFA.Guess it all depends on where the rookies go. I wonder how Bradshaw has 'proven' he's a quality RB. A few good carries does not make a NFL career. Need I refer to guys like Fason, Moore, Suggs, Goings, etc... who all showed a little and then disappeared

Yes, there have been several "late season" unknown rookie superstars who's career fell apart the following season. But considering my inability to pick rookies in the middle of the 1st round (O. Smith, Ginn Jr. and Rashad Woods to name a few failures over the years in the middle/late of the 1st round), it might be wise to trade down to later in the 1st round and take the lower risk / NFL proven (debatable) Bradshaw just based on my poor personal draft history. Bradshaw likely will fall under the radar and in my lap in the late 1st round as well and I can get perhaps a decent IDP guy in return for the trade-up. Or I could go with the "I'm due" thinking mode that I just draft a rookie at 1.07 and hope luck factors in and I get a stud or at least a top 30 fantasy performer in a few years. I could use a developmental/rookie QB.

 

[Two Deep]

I'd put him at the beginning of the 2nd round. I just see a lot of these backs being picked up by teams and having a shot down the road. Bradshaw's upside is much lower than a guy like Tashard Choice or Matt Forte that can carry the load IMO. Of course that depends on where they end upI also am not sure Bradshaw is 'guaranteed' 50% of the carries. If Jacobs can stay healthy, I see more of a 70/30 split with Bradshaw being the 3rd down/COP role. At 1.7, I'd much rather have a Jamaal Charles, Ray Rice, or Kevin Smith ahead of Bradshaw for sure.

What I've seen is Bradshaw behind the wheel during crunch time and Jacobs taking a seat. Bradshaw will be the main back with Jacobs getting short yard and goal line duty. MARK IT DOWN.

 

[Warhogs]

I don't know that I would say he is a steal at mid first round but I certainly would not fault any team for starting to look at him at that point.

 

[Dope]

He is already a lock to at least split 50% next season...

There's the flaw in your thinking. He'll more likely be the minor partner in a RBBC and will not get the goal line carries. I don't think that's worth passing up a rookie at 1.07 for. I got MJD lower than that, and also Bowe last year. Boldin, Roethlisberger, Brandon Marshall, and lots of other guys are drafted lower. I'd aim for more upside with that pick than Bradshaw.

If Ward comes back and is healthy, there is no reason to think he couldn't get 5-10 touches a game too.

Ward is out the door as a UFA.Guess it all depends on where the rookies go. I wonder how Bradshaw has 'proven' he's a quality RB. A few good carries does not make a NFL career. Need I refer to guys like Fason, Moore, Suggs, Goings, etc... who all showed a little and then disappeared

Yes, there have been several "late season" unknown rookie superstars who's career fell apart the following season. But considering my inability to pick rookies in the middle of the 1st round (O. Smith, Ginn Jr. and Rashad Woods to name a few failures over the years in the middle/late of the 1st round), it might be wise to trade down to later in the 1st round and take the lower risk / NFL proven (debatable) Bradshaw just based on my poor personal draft history. Bradshaw likely will fall under the radar and in my lap in the late 1st round as well and I can get perhaps a decent IDP guy in return for the trade-up. Or I could go with the "I'm due" thinking mode that I just draft a rookie at 1.07 and hope luck factors in and I get a stud or at least a top 30 fantasy performer in a few years. I could use a developmental/rookie QB.

In a normal year, I might agree with you...but not this year.There is a lot of upside talent to be had throughout the entire 1st round.

 

[Dope]

Another thing...just because you had a string of bad luck and you are frustrated shouldn't mean that you start doing crazy things.

1st rounders by me in my dynasty league:

Joey Harrington

Ron Dayne

Koren Robinson

Reggie Williams

Andre Johnson (got one!)

JJ Arrington

***Traded pick that would have been Joe Addai...got Travis Henry***

Marshawn Lynch (got another!)

Just keep doing as much research as you can and keep your head up.

It'll get better

 

[Riffraff]

I would roll the dice with Bradshaw after the first 4 rookie picks, if you need a RB.

* He's proving he can run well at the NFL level (insert Michael Turner hype here).

* He was 6th in NCAA rushing his final year, he has some pedigree for success.

* He has a very good offensive line to run behind.

* Coaching must believe in him to give him the rock in crunch time each week.

* Brandon Jacobs' contract ends after 2008. Opportunity knocks even more.

Pretty much every other rookie RB at the 1.05 spot will be RBBC anyways.

Well worth the gamble.

 

[BigJim®]

He is already a lock to at least split 50% next season...

There's the flaw in your thinking. He'll more likely be the minor partner in a RBBC and will not get the goal line carries. I don't think that's worth passing up a rookie at 1.07 for. I got MJD lower than that, and also Bowe last year. Boldin, Roethlisberger, Brandon Marshall, and lots of other guys are drafted lower. I'd aim for more upside with that pick than Bradshaw.

If Ward comes back and is healthy, there is no reason to think he couldn't get 5-10 touches a game too.

Ward is out the door as a UFA.Guess it all depends on where the rookies go. I wonder how Bradshaw has 'proven' he's a quality RB. A few good carries does not make a NFL career. Need I refer to guys like Fason, Moore, Suggs, Goings, etc... who all showed a little and then disappeared

Yes, there have been several "late season" unknown rookie superstars who's career fell apart the following season. But considering my inability to pick rookies in the middle of the 1st round (O. Smith, Ginn Jr. and Rashad Woods to name a few failures over the years in the middle/late of the 1st round), it might be wise to trade down to later in the 1st round and take the lower risk / NFL proven (debatable) Bradshaw just based on my poor personal draft history. Bradshaw likely will fall under the radar and in my lap in the late 1st round as well and I can get perhaps a decent IDP guy in return for the trade-up. Or I could go with the "I'm due" thinking mode that I just draft a rookie at 1.07 and hope luck factors in and I get a stud or at least a top 30 fantasy performer in a few years. I could use a developmental/rookie QB.

In a normal year, I might agree with you...but not this year.There is a lot of upside talent to be had throughout the entire 1st round.

We hear this most years. It only seems like an abnormal year at this point because all years seem like an abnormal year until we get to 1 year down the road and realize it was a normal year. We'll see... the talent in this class seems silimar to most years in my estimation. Also, there doesn't seem to be an abundance of RB jobs open IMHO.

 

[Yenrub]

He is already a lock to at least split 50% next season...

There's the flaw in your thinking. He'll more likely be the minor partner in a RBBC and will not get the goal line carries. I don't think that's worth passing up a rookie at 1.07 for. I got MJD lower than that, and also Bowe last year. Boldin, Roethlisberger, Brandon Marshall, and lots of other guys are drafted lower. I'd aim for more upside with that pick than Bradshaw.

If Ward comes back and is healthy, there is no reason to think he couldn't get 5-10 touches a game too.

Ward is out the door as a UFA.Guess it all depends on where the rookies go. I wonder how Bradshaw has 'proven' he's a quality RB. A few good carries does not make a NFL career. Need I refer to guys like Fason, Moore, Suggs, Goings, etc... who all showed a little and then disappeared

:LeeCorsovoice:Not so fast my friend

Couple of quotes from the article

While the Giants were enjoying the end to this season, they still had an eye toward the next one. Apparently, they want Derrick Ward to be a part of it.

Ward didn't know any specifics about the negotiations when asked about them after yesterday's rally at Giants Stadium. But he did say his leg is fully healed, and he could have been back in time for the Super Bowl.

"I actually could have been back for the Dallas game," he said.

 

[mozzy84]

he got cut in my league towards the end of the year also. I have the 10th pick and if he is there (which he probably will be) I would scoop him up as of now....alot can change come august though.

 

[madd futher]

JPeso "I think if you really wanted Bradshaw you could move down to the end of the 1st and still get him, and pick up value elsewhere. In my eyes, a guy like Kevin Smith will not be in a better position than Bradshaw to get a full-time gig."

I have the 5th pick in one deep keeper league and the 9th pick in another.

I have him rated just after the big 3 rooks (McFadden, Stewart, Mendenhall) and about even with Felix Jones. That could change depending on where the rookies go or in the very unlikely event that Ward somehow re-signs with NY. I will almost surely take him at 1.05, however, and will be SHOCKED if he is still around at 1.9. He is a TALENT.

 

[SayWhat?]

JPeso "I think if you really wanted Bradshaw you could move down to the end of the 1st and still get him, and pick up value elsewhere. In my eyes, a guy like Kevin Smith will not be in a better position than Bradshaw to get a full-time gig."

I have the 5th pick in one deep keeper league and the 9th pick in another.

I have him rated just after the big 3 rooks (McFadden, Stewart, Mendenhall) and about even with Felix Jones. That could change depending on where the rookies go or in the very unlikely event that Ward somehow re-signs with NY. I will almost surely take him at 1.05, however, and will be SHOCKED if he is still around at 1.9. He is a TALENT.

Taking a 7th round talent that will likely at best always be a part of a RBBC over a 1st round talent like Felix Jones? That's a recipe for mediocrity in a dynasty league IMO.

 

[BigTex]

Bradshaw was not rostered in one of the leagues I'm in but he was the talk of conversation when we had our league Superbowl Party.

 

[KellysHeroes]

what will be Droughns and D Ward role in the offense next yr?

I saw on Roto that the Giants have contacted FA Ward about a contract... not sure what to make of Droughns' future either

 

[The Moz]

Bradshaw outplayed Jacobs every time he was on the field. NO Giants RB looked as good as Bradshaw did when he got a real chance to play out there !

Ward is gone so is droughns or droughns would strictly be a FB if he stayed. Bradshaw and Jacobs will split carries - with Bradshaw being just as good a short yardage guy as Jacobs I think whoever is in when they are in at the Goal line stays in.

In a Dynasty draft I would take McFadden, Mendenhal , Stewart , F. Jones , and then Bradshaw !

 

[PranksterJD]

JPeso "I think if you really wanted Bradshaw you could move down to the end of the 1st and still get him, and pick up value elsewhere. In my eyes, a guy like Kevin Smith will not be in a better position than Bradshaw to get a full-time gig."

I have the 5th pick in one deep keeper league and the 9th pick in another.

I have him rated just after the big 3 rooks (McFadden, Stewart, Mendenhall) and about even with Felix Jones. That could change depending on where the rookies go or in the very unlikely event that Ward somehow re-signs with NY. I will almost surely take him at 1.05, however, and will be SHOCKED if he is still around at 1.9. He is a TALENT.

Taking a 7th round talent that will likely at best always be a part of a RBBC over a 1st round talent like Felix Jones? That's a recipe for mediocrity in a dynasty league IMO.

So is always judging players based on their draft position.