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Steelers Extend Antonio Brown (1 Viewer)
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werdnoynek
Footballguy
take that mike wallace... 
Mr Rodgers neighborhood
Footballguy
Enjoy the bracket coverage, Antonio. This is what it's like to see the opposing teams no.1 corner and a safety over the top.Great cap management. Now you've pissed off the best weapon for Roethlisberger. If I'm Wallace I don't show up until week 10. No point in showing up now.
Boone22
Footballguy
In my opinion he's a better all-around WR than Wallace. If Wallace wants to try to break the bank, lock up Brown long term and trade Wallace.
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Mr Rodgers neighborhood
Footballguy
He runs better routes, but he's not on the same level talent wise. It's not close. Wallace isn't trying to break the bank, the Steelers want to lowball him and pay him WAY under what players of his caliber are getting paid.And Brown won't put up 1200-8 with the bracket coverage. You're all going to be disappointed.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
B-but....how is this possible? The guy in the other thread insists that "the Steelers are broke!"
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Or get Wallace for $2.7 million this year, then franchise tag him in 2013-2014.
And Brown @ $8 million >>>> Wallace @ $12 million, IMO.
And Brown @ $8 million >>>> Wallace @ $12 million, IMO.
exactly how many games have you watched brown play? what does talent mean to you? just speed?
Grid71
Footballguy
Jumping the gun by saying trade wallace. The steelers do want MW to stay with the team, but at a reasonable salary. The signing was a statement that if MW wants to play hardball, there are other deserving players on the roster who can be paid. If wallace wants to be a part of Pgh in the future, he can play for the tender this season then see what happens next. Options to sign & negotiate are over. Who knows? There could be a team out there who wants to over pay for his services ALA Randel El going to Washington years ago.
Boone22
Footballguy
Agreed. It may be jumping the gun but if he's not gonna report then they can at least field offers and see what they can get.
Abspara
Footballguy
not really. the Steelers are quite aware what E. Sanders can do in place of Wallace being out.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
He would have accepted a VJax deal. Now the steelers overpaid for a #2 wr
Return of the Sheep
Footballguy
I think the steelers made a mistake here just to prove a point to wallace. They could have had brown for 2 more years at a discount and let him play hard for that new contract while keeping wallace around for at least 1 more year. Now, they may have overpaid early for brown and lost their #1 deep threat. hmmmm
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I dunno, this is a much more cap efficient deal when you see how its broken down by year. Were in great shape with this contract for the next few years especially.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
How would they have gotten two more years of Brown at a discount?? Not to mention, he's still only going to be making $540k this year, not like that has changed.
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Xue
Footballguy
Brown already plays hard. That's why they're rewarding him now.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Antonio Brown
2010
16 receptions
167 yards
0 Tds
2011
69 receptions
1,108 yards
2 Tds
Combined totals
85 receptions
1,275 yards
2 Tds
Mike Wallace
2009
39 receptions
756 yards
6 Tds
2010
60 receptions
1,257 yards
10 Tds
2011
72 receptions
1,193 yards
8 Tds
Combined totals
171 receptions
3,206 yards
24 Tds
I have always felt that Wallace was a good WR and the numbers show he's a lot better than many are assuming.
Wallace contract isn't in line with his production.
I think the Steelers should have paid him.
I don't think Brown has his talent and the numbers overwhelmingly prove this out.
2010
16 receptions
167 yards
0 Tds
2011
69 receptions
1,108 yards
2 Tds
Combined totals
85 receptions
1,275 yards
2 Tds
Mike Wallace
2009
39 receptions
756 yards
6 Tds
2010
60 receptions
1,257 yards
10 Tds
2011
72 receptions
1,193 yards
8 Tds
Combined totals
171 receptions
3,206 yards
24 Tds
I have always felt that Wallace was a good WR and the numbers show he's a lot better than many are assuming.
Wallace contract isn't in line with his production.
I think the Steelers should have paid him.
I don't think Brown has his talent and the numbers overwhelmingly prove this out.
Return of the Sheep
Footballguy
Let him play out his rookie deal and then tender him for a year. Follow that up with a nice contract for 5 yrs or so if he plays up to it. While I love the talent we haven't seen him put a full season together against top corners. This would also possibly allow them to sign wallace long-term. Now it looks like the wallace relationship may be strained.My ideal situation all summer was to sign sanders long-term at a discount, tender wallace, and let brown play out this year. Then next yr franchise wallace and tender brown. Then the following yr sign brown long-term and let wallace walk.
Return of the Sheep
Footballguy
I agree. I just don't think it was the best timing.
ptsteelers
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Reportedly he and Brown are pretty tight. Not surprising that he'd be happy for him.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
People saying Wallace is clearly better than Brown, consider that Brown didn't even start getting all the first-team reps until week 7 last year. Despite that :
His 28 3rd down catches ranked 3rd in the NFL.
He became the first player in NFL history with 1,000 receiving and 1,000 return yards in the same season.
He was voted by his teammates as the Steelers most valuable player last season - on a team with Ben Roethlisberger, Wallace, James Harrison, LaMarr Woodly, and Troy Polamalu and Maurkice Pouncey, both of whom were All-Pro last season.
His 28 3rd down catches ranked 3rd in the NFL.
He became the first player in NFL history with 1,000 receiving and 1,000 return yards in the same season.
He was voted by his teammates as the Steelers most valuable player last season - on a team with Ben Roethlisberger, Wallace, James Harrison, LaMarr Woodly, and Troy Polamalu and Maurkice Pouncey, both of whom were All-Pro last season.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Xue
Footballguy
You can't compare seasonal totals when they didn't receive the same amount of snaps during that time span.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Sure he can, it "proves" his point. Ignore the fact that during the time that Brown and Wallace were both full-time starters that Brown outperformed Wallace, despite being 2 years younger and having far less experience as a starting WR. Ignore the fact that Brown took $8M per while Wallace turned down $10M per. In his world, you can't determine what a player is worth to your team, the player just determines what he wants and if you choose not to pay the player that much, you "can't afford him."You can't compare seasonal totals when they didn't receive the same amount of snaps during that time span.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
You give a guy a thumbs up for a quality post and the Steelers homers have to come charging into a second thread. Have a good read below:Sure he can, it "proves" his point. Ignore the fact that during the time that Brown and Wallace were both full-time starters that Brown outperformed Wallace, despite being 2 years younger and having far less experience as a starting WR. Ignore the fact that Brown took $8M per while Wallace turned down $10M per. In his world, you can't determine what a player is worth to your team, the player just determines what he wants and if you choose not to pay the player that much, you "can't afford him."You can't compare seasonal totals when they didn't receive the same amount of snaps during that time span.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
And?Here's a Shark Pool tip : when threads center around Steelers' players, then yeah - you're probably going get Steelers homers in the thread. Wallace could have had $10,000,000 per for five years. He turned it down. Now, he'll likely have to get paid elsewhere. He probably will, and good for him. You'll notice the Steelers fans and the front office pretty much universally agree he's not worth more than that. The fact that you do is completely and utterly irrelevant.You give a guy a thumbs up for a quality post and the Steelers homers have to come charging into a second thread. Have a good read below:Sure he can, it "proves" his point. Ignore the fact that during the time that Brown and Wallace were both full-time starters that Brown outperformed Wallace, despite being 2 years younger and having far less experience as a starting WR. Ignore the fact that Brown took $8M per while Wallace turned down $10M per. In his world, you can't determine what a player is worth to your team, the player just determines what he wants and if you choose not to pay the player that much, you "can't afford him."You can't compare seasonal totals when they didn't receive the same amount of snaps during that time span.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
It really is. He's cuttable without much of a cap hit after about 2 years of this extension if he doesn't pan out for some reason. They could cut him with 3 years left on the deal and only take about a $5M cap hit if they needed to, though I highly doubt it will come to that.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
I'll notice that Steelers fans support the front office pretty much universally because they have a basement full of Steelers gear. Team over individual. That is the way it works. What you think is irrelevant, just like me.The Steelers could not afford both Wallace and Brown. They chose Brown because it fit their cap and they could not make it work with Wallace, just like I stated in post #1 of the other thread.
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Xue
Footballguy
Wallace produced because he's been given playing time. That's about all it proves. How can it prove that Brown is lacking in talent? Brown was lacking in playing time. Why don't someone show us the snap count data and where they stack up? You know, something that's actual useful and meaningful.Sure he can, it "proves" his point. Ignore the fact that during the time that Brown and Wallace were both full-time starters that Brown outperformed Wallace, despite being 2 years younger and having far less experience as a starting WR. Ignore the fact that Brown took $8M per while Wallace turned down $10M per. In his world, you can't determine what a player is worth to your team, the player just determines what he wants and if you choose not to pay the player that much, you "can't afford him."You can't compare seasonal totals when they didn't receive the same amount of snaps during that time span.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Yes, team over individual. Imagine that....And they could have afforded Wallace just fine, except that he wants more than he's worth. The Steelers will pay players, they just won't overpay them, which is what they'd have been doing if they gave Wallace the money he's looking for. He's not worth "Fitzgerald money." I'm not sure if you can't see it or are just choosing not to. I'm phrasing this delicately so you don't get all upset again.I'll notice that Steelers fans support the front office pretty much universally because they have a basement full of Steelers gear. Team over individual. That is the way it works. What you think is irrelevant, just like me.The Steelers could not afford both Wallace and Brown. They chose Brown because it fit their cap and they could not make it work, just like I stated in post #1 of the other thread.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
It won't fit with his "argument."Wallace produced because he's been given playing time. That's about all it proves. How can it prove that Brown is lacking in talent? Brown was lacking in playing time. Why don't someone show us the snap count data and where they stack up? You know, something that's actual useful and meaningful.Sure he can, it "proves" his point. Ignore the fact that during the time that Brown and Wallace were both full-time starters that Brown outperformed Wallace, despite being 2 years younger and having far less experience as a starting WR. Ignore the fact that Brown took $8M per while Wallace turned down $10M per. In his world, you can't determine what a player is worth to your team, the player just determines what he wants and if you choose not to pay the player that much, you "can't afford him."You can't compare seasonal totals when they didn't receive the same amount of snaps during that time span.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Larry Fitz's dad must have a basement full of Steelers gear in Minnesota.@FitzBeatSr: Give Pittsburgh credit they do it right.The Steelers don't play games with business.Larry Jr learned a lot being next door to Steelers@Pitt
@FitzBeatSr: Signing Antonio Brown-extending Mike Tomlin 3 years.The Rooneys rule you might say. Evident most Vince Lombardi Trophys.
I think the timing by the Steelers is perfect. If Wallace holds out until week ten, Brown will probably put up very good numbers in 2012. That would likely make him a lot more expensive to sign long-term heading into next season than he is now.The Steelers have locked Brown up at a pre-full-breakout price (if last year was only a partial breakout), and did so with minimal risk since he's cuttable in a couple years if he doesn't live up to the contract.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Or, you know, when they havent even played the same amount of seasons. I would guess Wallace has well over twice as many snaps as Brown. Hopefully someone who has a subscription to Pro Football Focus can post the exact snap counts though since theyre the only site Im aware of that does snap counts.You can't compare seasonal totals when they didn't receive the same amount of snaps during that time span.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I almost want Wallace to hold out at this point because I want to see what Brown does as the clear #1 guy.
jacobo_moses
Footballguy
At times last season Brown was drawing the no 1 Corners. (So being treated as the No 1 WR on the team anyway) Look at the Thur night game vs the Browns. When Joe Haden was covering him?? Exactly. Need I say anymore. Last time I checked Joe Haden was a pretty dang good CB.
