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Steelers' LaMarr Woodley Sacked by NFL (1 Viewer)
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The Hank
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Just like many of the other fines handed out, this one is a joke. The NFL is getting ridiculous.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Why do they fine a player if no penalty was called?
McBokonon
Footballguy
This post is overly critical of the National Football League and was made in a public forum, which is unacceptable. I have no choice but to fine you $25000.00.
buck naked
Footballguy
Ridiculous.
two_dollars
Footballguy
This one and the Justin Tuck one are absolutely mind bogglingly stupid. We really should just give the QB's red jerseys and flags at this point.
HellToupee
Footballguy
how soon does the NFL initiate a 2 hand tag rule on QBs
tombonneau
Footballguy
The NFL seems to be pretty consistent in that they will issue a fine (and sometimes a flag) if after the defensive player has the QB wrapped up and the sack is imminent he then drives the QB into the turf with unnecessary force. You can say it defies the spirit of the game, but I do see the consistency in these calls and generally these types of fines can be avoided by the defensive player. They don't need to drive the QB down into the turf by throwing all of their weight on top of him, or in the case of Woodley whipping him into the turf. They are doing it intentionally and they are doing it to inflict more pain on the QB.
In Woodley's case, I think it was pretty clear cut that he didn't need to whip Campbell down with such intensity. The gray area is when they flag/fine DLs for wrapping up the QB and then driving them to the turf with all their weight.
At the end of the day, defensive players clearly know at this point that the league is going to protect QBs from unnecessary hits, whether they like it or not, so they just need to play along or pay more fines.
In Woodley's case, I think it was pretty clear cut that he didn't need to whip Campbell down with such intensity. The gray area is when they flag/fine DLs for wrapping up the QB and then driving them to the turf with all their weight.
At the end of the day, defensive players clearly know at this point that the league is going to protect QBs from unnecessary hits, whether they like it or not, so they just need to play along or pay more fines.
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treat88
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Unnecessary? As in unnecessary roughness? As in a play that draws a flag from the official?If it's not flagged on the field, and there is no rule addressing the action otherwise it is a legal hit and should not be subject to a fine.
If it's illegal fine a player for whatever amount is reasonable. Don't play the "unnecessary" BS thing though.
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Say that the next time a QB makes a Defensive player look stupid by getting outta of a sack.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Just because an official didn't flag it doesn't mean it isn't a penalty or fine-worthy. Teams send tapes to the league every week of missed calls. It's part of the game. Refs are all too human.
tombonneau
Footballguy
I don't see how you could argue there is any way Campbell was getting out of that sack. He was wrapped up on his way to the ground when Woodley decided to twisted him around so that he could deliver the maximum impact on the hit. It was avoidable and a conscious decision by Woodley.
Blue-Kun
Footballguy
I'm glad you can make that call with the benefit of hindsight and multiple angles. Very compelling case here.
Anyone remember the Vince Young play a year ago? D-Player gets to him, wraps him up, but is very careful NOT to get the penalty, yet ends up giving up a bomb as a result? Many of these fines are just going way too far.
two_dollars
Footballguy
Yep, VY should have been levied a fine for throwing the ball downfield on that play when the D-Lineman already wrapped him up.I'm glad you can make that call with the benefit of hindsight and multiple angles. Very compelling case here.
Many of these fines are just going way too far.
tombonneau
Footballguy
I didn't have multiple angles, just the one on the link. And I remember seeing the play live and being surprised there was no flag, esp. with all the attention the Steelers are drawing to themselves calling football a "pansy" sport and complaining about fines.And I distinctly recall the Mathias Kiwenkua (butchered sp ...) and the general reaction being complete consternation in the media that he just let VY go. There was little talk about the play coming about because of the pansification of the NFL. The consensus at the time was it was just a bonehead play. (And a fluke one at that that we haven't seen the likes of since.)Just for the record, I applaud the physical style that the Steelers play and agree that is how the game should be played. But the reality is that in today's NFL QBs=$$$ and the Steelers must recognize that if they want to cultivate an image of a bad boy physical team that is going to smack you around, they will occasionally (in the league's eyes) go too far and that these types of fines are going to be a concomitant result.I'm glad you can make that call with the benefit of hindsight and multiple angles. Very compelling case here.
treat88
Footballguy
I respect your take. I disagree with it absolutely.If it's legal, it shouldn't be fined. Under any circumstance.Show me a rule that Woodley broke. There isn't one. If the league wants to give clear directives of what types of tackles are legal and illegal, that is fine. They haven't. He did nothing wrong.This after the fact, subjective oversight is bad for the game.I do understand the reality of the game and the $$$ involved, it doesn't excuse the lack of consistency in the application or lack thereof of Goodell's spurious idea of "unnecessary".I didn't have multiple angles, just the one on the link. And I remember seeing the play live and being surprised there was no flag, esp. with all the attention the Steelers are drawing to themselves calling football a "pansy" sport and complaining about fines.And I distinctly recall the Mathias Kiwenkua (butchered sp ...) and the general reaction being complete consternation in the media that he just let VY go. There was little talk about the play coming about because of the pansification of the NFL. The consensus at the time was it was just a bonehead play. (And a fluke one at that that we haven't seen the likes of since.)Just for the record, I applaud the physical style that the Steelers play and agree that is how the game should be played. But the reality is that in today's NFL QBs=$$$ and the Steelers must recognize that if they want to cultivate an image of a bad boy physical team that is going to smack you around, they will occasionally (in the league's eyes) go too far and that these types of fines are going to be a concomitant result.I'm glad you can make that call with the benefit of hindsight and multiple angles. Very compelling case here.Anyone remember the Vince Young play a year ago? D-Player gets to him, wraps him up, but is very careful NOT to get the penalty, yet ends up giving up a bomb as a result? Many of these fines are just going way too far.
poopdawg
Footballguy
I respect your take. I disagree with it absolutely.If it's legal, it shouldn't be fined. Under any circumstance.Show me a rule that Woodley broke. There isn't one. If the league wants to give clear directives of what types of tackles are legal and illegal, that is fine. They haven't. He did nothing wrong.This after the fact, subjective oversight is bad for the game.I do understand the reality of the game and the $$$ involved, it doesn't excuse the lack of consistency in the application or lack thereof of Goodell's spurious idea of "unnecessary".I didn't have multiple angles, just the one on the link. And I remember seeing the play live and being surprised there was no flag, esp. with all the attention the Steelers are drawing to themselves calling football a "pansy" sport and complaining about fines.And I distinctly recall the Mathias Kiwenkua (butchered sp ...) and the general reaction being complete consternation in the media that he just let VY go. There was little talk about the play coming about because of the pansification of the NFL. The consensus at the time was it was just a bonehead play. (And a fluke one at that that we haven't seen the likes of since.)Just for the record, I applaud the physical style that the Steelers play and agree that is how the game should be played. But the reality is that in today's NFL QBs=$$$ and the Steelers must recognize that if they want to cultivate an image of a bad boy physical team that is going to smack you around, they will occasionally (in the league's eyes) go too far and that these types of fines are going to be a concomitant result.I'm glad you can make that call with the benefit of hindsight and multiple angles. Very compelling case here.Anyone remember the Vince Young play a year ago? D-Player gets to him, wraps him up, but is very careful NOT to get the penalty, yet ends up giving up a bomb as a result? Many of these fines are just going way too far.
Ive seen harder takedowns in HS wrestling.And for those that have played the game, its hard not to get caught up in the moment. Its much easier to make a decision in slo-mo. According to the NFL rulebook though, he did not break a single rule. Plain and simple. If theres a rule that says you cant throw an opposing player down on the ground too hard, then fine. This #### is getting out of hand.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
If this thing continues the NFL player's association need to take a stand. They can tell Goodell that the next time he levies a ticky tacky fine (like the one on Woodley--I watched twice, and the tackle was hard, but in the flow of the game--he had to make sure that Campbell was down), then two teams are going to take 5 minutes off the game. Both teams will line up, the ball will be snapped, and the players will dance around and around and around for five minutes; at the end of five minutes the ball will be placed for a 3 yard gain.
Yeah, I know it's unrealistic; but wouldn't Goodell look stupid?
Yeah, I know it's unrealistic; but wouldn't Goodell look stupid?
crowe1130
Footballguy
IMO, this is starting to have a really negative impact on the game. There have been numerous occasions where I've seen defenders "pull up", apparently too scared of a bogus flag/fine to actually play the game.
I hate to say it with the flames that will surely ensue, but watching the NFL has lately become less enjoyable each year. If I wanted an offense-only game, I'd watch the arena league.
I hate to say it with the flames that will surely ensue, but watching the NFL has lately become less enjoyable each year. If I wanted an offense-only game, I'd watch the arena league.
Interseptopus
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After watching that YouTube video, I can definitely see where the league is coming from. From the video, it looked as though Campbell was tossed like a rag doll violently onto the ground. Is this fineable? No. That is ridiculous to even suggest a fine.
From the video it looks as though Campbell is fighting against the sack, what QB wouldn't in that situation, so Woodley has to muscle him to the ground. Fining someone for out-powering a QB to get him to the ground is ridiculous. Campbell needs to learn how to fall better so his head doesn't hit first.
Awful fine
From the video it looks as though Campbell is fighting against the sack, what QB wouldn't in that situation, so Woodley has to muscle him to the ground. Fining someone for out-powering a QB to get him to the ground is ridiculous. Campbell needs to learn how to fall better so his head doesn't hit first.
Awful fine
tombonneau
Footballguy
David Carr?
al_falcons
Footballguy
Maybe the commish watched Sports Center last night as Mark Schlereth, Jaws and every other ex-player lambasted him for the fine on Tuck.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
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tombonneau
Footballguy
Not fishing. The NFL is clearly taking a stand on those types of "hard" sacks. The proof is in the pudding. I do agree with everyone (and the Steelers) though that the NFL needs to clearly spell out what kind of "excessive force" on a QB is going to draw a fine, vs. making it up as they go along a la Bud Selig.On a side note, Allen should have been suspended for his multiple cheap shots on Schaub.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I'm glad you can make that call with the benefit of hindsight and multiple angles. Very compelling case here.
You can't give the QB the opportunity to escape a sack then fine a defensive player when he brings him to the ground.If the NFL wants to protect the QB then immediately blow the whistle when a defensive player gets his arms around him. The ironic thing is that Steelers QBs have been taking a beating all season and I don't recall seeing any penalties or fines being levied against their opponents.
Carver Lee
Footballguy
Roughing the Passer?I respect your take. I disagree with it absolutely.If it's legal, it shouldn't be fined. Under any circumstance.I didn't have multiple angles, just the one on the link. And I remember seeing the play live and being surprised there was no flag, esp. with all the attention the Steelers are drawing to themselves calling football a "pansy" sport and complaining about fines.And I distinctly recall the Mathias Kiwenkua (butchered sp ...) and the general reaction being complete consternation in the media that he just let VY go. There was little talk about the play coming about because of the pansification of the NFL. The consensus at the time was it was just a bonehead play. (And a fluke one at that that we haven't seen the likes of since.)I'm glad you can make that call with the benefit of hindsight and multiple angles. Very compelling case here.Anyone remember the Vince Young play a year ago? D-Player gets to him, wraps him up, but is very careful NOT to get the penalty, yet ends up giving up a bomb as a result?
Many of these fines are just going way too far.
Just for the record, I applaud the physical style that the Steelers play and agree that is how the game should be played. But the reality is that in today's NFL QBs=$$$ and the Steelers must recognize that if they want to cultivate an image of a bad boy physical team that is going to smack you around, they will occasionally (in the league's eyes) go too far and that these types of fines are going to be a concomitant result.
Show me a rule that Woodley broke. There isn't one. If the league wants to give clear directives of what types of tackles are legal and illegal, that is fine. They haven't. He did nothing wrong.
This after the fact, subjective oversight is bad for the game.
I do understand the reality of the game and the $$$ involved, it doesn't excuse the lack of consistency in the application or lack thereof of Goodell's spurious idea of "unnecessary".
treat88
Footballguy
No. Ball was in his possesion, no helmet to helmet contact, contact was above the knees.There was nothing about the hit that would have broken the roughing the passer rule. Or any other rule.Completely legal hit with a completely BS fine from one of the worst possible choices as a commish the sport could have.
Carver Lee
Footballguy
I'm really surprised by the outcry about this. He drove the passer into the turf. I've seen this called 10 times or more. What makes this situation any different than the numerous other time it's been called? The ref missed it at the time, the NFL didn't. BFD.
treat88
Footballguy
There was nothing for the ref to miss, and if there isn't a rule broken there is nothing for the NFL to penalize.This one hit is not a "BFD". It's the pattern of inconsistent application of a subjective rule none of the players are aware of that is an issue.A guy who plays the game hard but within the rules should be celebrated not punished.I couldn't care less about Woodley or Tuck's pocketbook. I do care if these types of fines change the way they play. The physicality, intimidation, dominance of your opponent, and violence that falls within the boundaries of the rules is part of the game I love. I would guess it's a part of the game most fans love.I don't want an inconsistent ###clown like Goodell legislating that out of the game.It is a "BFD".
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Carver Lee
Footballguy
Hey, I agree that the inconsistency of it all is BS. All I'm saying is what Woodley did was an infraction. You cannot drive a QB into the ground like that. I saw the play live and was surprised it wasn't called. I have a feeling if it was called, Woodley wouldn't have gotten fined. But the fact that the ref didn't call it, Goodell felt it was necessary to send a message to those "not aware that this is an issue" that this is not OK. Do I agree with it? No, but I see the reasoning behind it, assuming that was the case.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
What would Turkey Jones have to say about this?
Golden Mike Tomczak
Footballguy
goodell is a pansy and is ruining the league. I understand a tough stance on off the field gun violence, but a clean sack and getting fined? This is B S.
