Stevan Ridley Support Group (2 Viewers)

[Gandalf]

I think the pats add a RB in the draft. Not early but you can get a guy to push Captain Fumblepants and possibly take over his role. Sorry I don't trust Ridley with the ball in his hands anymore.

Really? Fumbles don't happen int he NFL? I forget sometimes that the people on the other side of the ball are not NFL players either. Had a bad fluky season for them. Saying what you just said sound like you are just repeating what the popular opinion is regardless of if it was a fluky situation or not.

I have watched every game of Ridley's career. He fumbles often and at critical parts of the game. Meanwhile guys like BJGE never fumble. Is that a fluke? Also regardless of my opinion, BB has benched Ridley more than once last season for fumbling. Fluke or not, he needs to hold on to the football. And yes, I have seen enough to know it isn't a fluke. He doesn't protect the ball well.

 

[Gandalf]

Another thing to consider - and why I think the Pats take a RB somewhere in this draft - is that Ridley is free agent after this season.

 

[False Start]

I think the pats add a RB in the draft. Not early but you can get a guy to push Captain Fumblepants and possibly take over his role. Sorry I don't trust Ridley with the ball in his hands anymore.

Really? Fumbles don't happen int he NFL? I forget sometimes that the people on the other side of the ball are not NFL players either. Had a bad fluky season for them. Saying what you just said sound like you are just repeating what the popular opinion is regardless of if it was a fluky situation or not.

I have watched every game of Ridley's career. He fumbles often and at critical parts of the game. Meanwhile guys like BJGE never fumble. Is that a fluke? Also regardless of my opinion, BB has benched Ridley more than once last season for fumbling. Fluke or not, he needs to hold on to the football. And yes, I have seen enough to know it isn't a fluke. He doesn't protect the ball well.

So the firm is more productive then Ridley just because he doesnt fumble? I rather have a play maker who drops the ball time to time then a plodder who only gets three yards on a play. The firm has lost 2 fumbles each of the past two years that is 2 less than Ridley. But what do I know, you watch every game, thats the great thing about the Sunday ticket, we all can watch every Patriots game not just people in Boston.

D. Thomas fumbled 3 times a year ago at WR, should Denver bench him or think he sucks because he fumbled? No. You know why, because he is a play maker.

 

[Gandalf]

I didn't mention productivity. The last 4 years with the Pats BJGE yards per carry avg was 3.7-4.4. Not 2... That would be Trent Richardson territory.

Since you brought up productivity. How productive is a player who fumbles and is then benched? I agree when he is on the field he is good - except - for the fumbles. And for me but more importantly BB that is very significant.

Never said you didn't watch every game. You brought up that my post sounded like I was rehashing popular opinion and I was providing evidence that it was based on my own eyes.

 

[False Start]

Another thing to consider - and why I think the Pats take a RB somewhere in this draft - is that Ridley is free agent after this season.

Now that is a different story. Ridley will be one of the most sought after FAs next year. Young and talented, while I do not criticize a person like BBs coaching. Many other coaches would be happy to have this playmaker regardless if he fumbles, everyone drops the ball from time to time. Tiki could shake it, so can he. Maybe BB should show confidence in him instead of benching him.

 

[DexterDew]

after watching this offseason play out, I don't think there will be many sought after FA running backs in the future, either teams will luck up their true studs or replace cheaply. And with next year's rookie class looking like at least 2-3 prospects better prospects than this year's class... it is easy to see FAs unsigned until camp opens

 

[False Start]

after watching this offseason play out, I don't think there will be many sought after FA running backs in the future, either teams will luck up their true studs or replace cheaply. And with next year's rookie class looking like at least 2-3 prospects better prospects than this year's class... it is easy to see FAs unsigned until camp opens

Not a lot of young RBs with proven potential and non injury history on the market this year. Ridley would of been the best RB on the market this year and will be one of the best next year.

 

[Englishteacher]

I actually think moving on next year would be a good thing for Ridley's fantasy prospects. He could be a bellcow for someone and not get taken off so much as he does in NE now with them utilizing so many passing sets where his skill set doesn't fit. His metrics for run skills, regardless of fumbles are very high. However, he is terrible as a pass catcher, as most everyone knows. But, NE is a passing team because of Brady. Ridley would have been great playing for a John Fox team, prior Manning.

 

[bluesclues]

Another thing to consider - and why I think the Pats take a RB somewhere in this draft - is that Ridley is free agent after this season.

Now that is a different story. Ridley will be one of the most sought after FAs next year. Young and talented, while I do not criticize a person like BBs coaching. Many other coaches would be happy to have this playmaker regardless if he fumbles, everyone drops the ball from time to time. Tiki could shake it, so can he. Maybe BB should show confidence in him instead of benching him.

Next year is a very deep and strong RB draft.

I don't see Ridley breaking the bank as a FA.

Also, if Blount leaves then BB will need to keep him w/ Vereen as they are 2 different style of backs.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I think the pats add a RB in the draft. Not early but you can get a guy to push Captain Fumblepants and possibly take over his role. Sorry I don't trust Ridley with the ball in his hands anymore.

Really? Fumbles don't happen int he NFL? I forget sometimes that the people on the other side of the ball are not NFL players either. Had a bad fluky season for them. Saying what you just said sound like you are just repeating what the popular opinion is regardless of if it was a fluky situation or not.

I have watched every game of Ridley's career. He fumbles often and at critical parts of the game. Meanwhile guys like BJGE never fumble. Is that a fluke? Also regardless of my opinion, BB has benched Ridley more than once last season for fumbling. Fluke or not, he needs to hold on to the football. And yes, I have seen enough to know it isn't a fluke. He doesn't protect the ball well.

I agree and it should be very concerning that an RB in his 3rd yr had so many fumbles (4 Lost on 170 carries!!!)... don't kid yourselves, that is a big deal. A powerback that can't hold onto the ball is like a possession WR that can't catch on 3rd down or a game manager that throws INTs in the 4th Q. Blount had 3 lost fumbles which is probably why NE isn't interested in his return.

 

[Warhogs]

Some guys have had early fumbling issues and corrected it (Ahman Green). But, I'm not sure in today's NFL teams are as invested in any particular RB and have the patience to wait. As a Ridley owner I am hoping NE gives him another chance this year and then he either overcomes this a bit or gets a fresh start on another team after this season.

 

[Englishteacher]

I'm wondering if another coach would be more tolerant than Bellicheck and play Ridley more. No saying the fumbles are excusable or desirous. However, there are other guys that put the ball on the carpet as well and play. McFadden comes to mind. Also, Kniles Davis has a fumbling rep. That said, its something he needs to get under wraps.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Steelers agreed to terms with RB LeGarrette Blount on a two-year contract.
Blount, 27, rushed 153 times for 772 yards (5.0 YPC) and seven touchdowns in New England last season, operating as the Patriots' lead back down the stretch. His departure is excellent news for Stevan Ridley's fantasy bounce-back chances in Foxboro. In Pittsburgh, Blount will serve as a battering-ram change-of-pace back behind Le'Veon Bell, but won't threaten Bell's workhorse status or firm place atop the depth chart. Blount will be no more than a 2014 fantasy handcuff. He doesn't play in the passing game and has a history of fumbling.

Source: Aaron Wilson on Twitter

 

[Shutout]

I like this signing all the way around for both teams, fantasy and real-life.

 

[Faust]

Stevan Ridley: From Fantasy bust to No. 2 running back?

 

[Gandalf]

I predict the Pats will draft a RB. I question whether BB think Ridley can cut down on the fumbles.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Stevan Ridley: From Fantasy bust to No. 2 running back?

theres still Andre Brown (FA) and whatever rookie they draft. Lets not get crazy yet

 

[duaneok66]

It's still March. I am sure they will draft at least one running back.

 

[GeeYouknit]

WOOHOO!!! Everyone get hyped now, so we can be disappointed later.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Stevan Ridley - RB - Patriots

ESPN Boston's Mike Reiss still sees upside in Stevan Ridley.

Reiss concedes that Ridley has been an "error repeater," referring to his nine fumbles across the last two seasons (including playoffs). But with LeGarrette Blount gone, Brandon Bolden a replacement-level talent and James White in his rookie year, the Patriots almost have to give Ridley a significant role. He's an ideal inside-running complement to passing back Shane Vereen. Ridley projects as an ADP steal as long as he can hold on to the football.

Source: ESPN Boston

May 28 - 8:21 AM

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

Took a chance as a buy-low candidate as my 2nd RB in the 9th round.

(14 team dynasty IDP, Super Flex, start 1 RB)

I've never been a huge fan but seemed like a value. Where was he going in startups last year, 3rd round? I am somewhat punting RB given the rules (QB Flex, TE Premium, start 1 RB).

 

[bostonfred]

I can definitely see the value in Ridley, and there was a recent promotion where Vereen and Ridley were the stars of the show, and they seemed to act like they were the two main guys, if that makes any difference. My problem is that not only was Ridley benched last year, but 1) there's been talk that Vereen may see more carries, 2) they drafted a guy, 3) they still have Bolden, and he's been a better catching BJGE type, 4) a veteran, possibly including BJGE, may still be added to the team, 4) Ridley may be the main guy week one, but unexpectedly lose the job at any point in the season, which makes him the kind of guy you can't really plan on, and 5) even if he has the job, his portion of any committee might not be enough to be the fantasy stud he was a couple years ago. All of those things scare me enough that I would be hesitant to add him unless it's exceptionally cheap.

 

[Phenix]

Rotoworld:

Stevan Ridley - RB - Patriots

ESPN Boston's Mike Reiss still sees upside in Stevan Ridley.

Reiss concedes that Ridley has been an "error repeater," referring to his nine fumbles across the last two seasons (including playoffs). But with LeGarrette Blount gone, Brandon Bolden a replacement-level talent and James White in his rookie year, the Patriots almost have to give Ridley a significant role. He's an ideal inside-running complement to passing back Shane Vereen. Ridley projects as an ADP steal as long as he can hold on to the football.

Source: ESPN Boston

May 28 - 8:21 AM

So a writer sees upside... that means what? Does that mean he will fumble less or be benched less?

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

Took a chance as a buy-low candidate as my 2nd RB in the 9th round.

(14 team dynasty IDP, Super Flex, start 1 RB)

I've never been a huge fan but seemed like a value. Where was he going in startups last year, 3rd round? I am somewhat punting RB given the rules (QB Flex, TE Premium, start 1 RB).

Some more context of where he was drafted vs some peers. He was the 27th RB off the board. The RBs that went around him:

RB 18 - Moreno

RB 19 - Vereen

RB 20 - Christine Michael (5.13, 69 overall)

RB 21 - Joique Bell

RB 22 - Rice

RB 23 - Trent Richardson

RB 24 - Ryan Mathews

Those 7 guys all went within 11 picks in the late 5th/early 6th, beginning right after I took TY Hilton. The next one was RB 25 Lattimore, 30 picks later. That's a dropoff.

RB 26 - Reggie Bush

RB 27 - Ridley

RB 28 - Rashad Jennings

RB 29 - Gore

RB 30 - Khiry Robinson

RB 31 - Gerhart, this was an under the radar May pick and he would have gone quite a bit earlier if the draft was later, imo.

RB 32 - Bernard Pierce

RB 33 - Chris Johnson

RB 34 - Woodhead

RB 35 - Lamar Miller

 

[cstu]

Steven Ridley Need To Be On Your Fantasy Radar

 

[cstu]

I can definitely see the value in Ridley, and there was a recent promotion where Vereen and Ridley were the stars of the show, and they seemed to act like they were the two main guys, if that makes any difference. My problem is that not only was Ridley benched last year, but 1) there's been talk that Vereen may see more carries, 2) they drafted a guy, 3) they still have Bolden, and he's been a better catching BJGE type, 4) a veteran, possibly including BJGE, may still be added to the team, 4) Ridley may be the main guy week one, but unexpectedly lose the job at any point in the season, which makes him the kind of guy you can't really plan on, and 5) even if he has the job, his portion of any committee might not be enough to be the fantasy stud he was a couple years ago. All of those things scare me enough that I would be hesitant to add him unless it's exceptionally cheap.

I picked him up for a likely late 2nd in PPR and thought it was cheap enough.

Vereen could get more carries but BB is between a rock and a hard place - in this case Vereen's injury history and Ridley's fumbles. If he fumbles three games in a row it could be trouble for him but given the Patriots lack of options he'll likely keep the starting job. Worse than fumbles would be Vereen getting hurt again so I think they limit his carries and have him be primarily a receiving back.

In PPR he doesn't have much upside but he can still produce RB2 numbers at a RB3 price.

He's also only 25 and a free agent after this year so he may end up in a better situation in 2015.

 

[Greggity]

I can definitely see the value in Ridley, and there was a recent promotion where Vereen and Ridley were the stars of the show, and they seemed to act like they were the two main guys, if that makes any difference. My problem is that not only was Ridley benched last year, but 1) there's been talk that Vereen may see more carries, 2) they drafted a guy, 3) they still have Bolden, and he's been a better catching BJGE type, 4) a veteran, possibly including BJGE, may still be added to the team, 4) Ridley may be the main guy week one, but unexpectedly lose the job at any point in the season, which makes him the kind of guy you can't really plan on, and 5) even if he has the job, his portion of any committee might not be enough to be the fantasy stud he was a couple years ago. All of those things scare me enough that I would be hesitant to add him unless it's exceptionally cheap.

Getting him in rd9 in a startup is pretty cheap imo....

 

[cstu]

Rotoworld:

Stevan Ridley - RB - Patriots

ESPN Boston's Mike Reiss still sees upside in Stevan Ridley.

Reiss concedes that Ridley has been an "error repeater," referring to his nine fumbles across the last two seasons (including playoffs). But with LeGarrette Blount gone, Brandon Bolden a replacement-level talent and James White in his rookie year, the Patriots almost have to give Ridley a significant role. He's an ideal inside-running complement to passing back Shane Vereen. Ridley projects as an ADP steal as long as he can hold on to the football.

Source: ESPN Boston

May 28 - 8:21 AM

Ridley's career fumble rate is 1 in 68 carries.

Here are some RB's who had worse rates last year:

Charles - 1 in 65

Morris - 1 in 45

Spiller - 1 in 50

Bush - 1 in 44

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Or a fumble rate of 1 every 32 carries if you want to go by the last 8 NE games. I like the guy, I really do and I wish it weren't so, but he is a fumble waiting to happen now; not a matter of if, but when. I think its in his head and more likely than not it will continue to be a problem.

IMHO, his contract is up this year and he will not be back, I honestly wouldn't be suprised (I expect) to see Houston stick and take Ridleys role sooner rather than later.

 

[PhantomJB]

Or a fumble rate of 1 every 32 carries if you want to go by the last 8 NE games. I like the guy, I really do and I wish it weren't so, but he is a fumble waiting to happen now; not a matter of if, but when. I think its in his head and more likely than not it will continue to be a problem.

IMHO, his contract is up this year and he will not be back, I honestly wouldn't be suprised (I expect) to see Houston stick and take Ridleys role sooner rather than later.

IMO this is massive overreaction.

After his last fumble lost in Game 12, BB still gave him 60 more carries in the last six games and no fumbles.

Will he be on a short leash because of his history? Of course, so there is still risk in taking him although that risk has been reasonably priced into his ADP.

But to say after six games (including 14/52/2 in playoff game) that basically the guy is a psychological basket case when the coach hasn't even given up on him is a huge stretch.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Or a fumble rate of 1 every 32 carries if you want to go by the last 8 NE games. I like the guy, I really do and I wish it weren't so, but he is a fumble waiting to happen now; not a matter of if, but when. I think its in his head and more likely than not it will continue to be a problem.

IMHO, his contract is up this year and he will not be back, I honestly wouldn't be suprised (I expect) to see Houston stick and take Ridleys role sooner rather than later.

IMO this is massive overreaction.

After his last fumble lost in Game 12, BB still gave him 60 more carries in the last six games and no fumbles.

Will he be on a short leash because of his history? Of course, so there is still risk in taking him although that risk has been reasonably priced into his ADP.

But to say after six games (including 14/52/2 in playoff game) that basically the guy is a psychological basket case when the coach hasn't even given up on him is a huge stretch.

HI Phantom, as a huge NE fan (obviously) I really hope I am wrong and I certainly might be. I am giving my opinion on what I think is most likely going to happen and that opinion isn't based on just the last half of last year. IMHO, there are several reasons to be down on Ridley's prospects.

1. He struggled in 2012 with 5 fumbles, 2 of which came in Dec and the last being a game clincher in NEs playoff loss to Bal.

2. He struggled again in 2013.

3. He simply isn't special enough to get away with putting the ball on the ground; look what Blount did in his place even BJG.

4. He is in the last year of his contract and it is highly doubtful they resign him, look how easily they replaced him last year with Blount who imo really isn't all that good. If he fumbles again they are going to give the ball to someone else, maybe White, maybe Gray or Houston, but he is far from Jamal Charles and they aren't going to tolerate him turning the ball over.

Maybe the fumbling isn't in his head, but if you believe as I do that Ridley isn't special (Charles, Spiller, Bush etc) and he most certainly won't be here next year then it isn't hard to envision the team moving on from him sooner that many might think. The team doesn't have a commitment to him and that gives him a very small margin for error and he knows that which just adds to the pressure.

Maybe Ridley doesn't fumble all year and he has a big year, that would be awesome for him and NE. But I think it is more likely he will fumble again at some point and whoever they put in his place will play well enough to keep him on the bench.

I certainly don't hate the guy, I think he is a good player and I wish him the best, but I think he has a lot working against him this year.

 

[PhantomJB]

Or a fumble rate of 1 every 32 carries if you want to go by the last 8 NE games. I like the guy, I really do and I wish it weren't so, but he is a fumble waiting to happen now; not a matter of if, but when. I think its in his head and more likely than not it will continue to be a problem.

IMHO, his contract is up this year and he will not be back, I honestly wouldn't be suprised (I expect) to see Houston stick and take Ridleys role sooner rather than later.

IMO this is massive overreaction.

After his last fumble lost in Game 12, BB still gave him 60 more carries in the last six games and no fumbles.

Will he be on a short leash because of his history? Of course, so there is still risk in taking him although that risk has been reasonably priced into his ADP.

But to say after six games (including 14/52/2 in playoff game) that basically the guy is a psychological basket case when the coach hasn't even given up on him is a huge stretch.

HI Phantom, as a huge NE fan (obviously) I really hope I am wrong and I certainly might be. I am giving my opinion on what I think is most likely going to happen and that opinion isn't based on just the last half of last year. IMHO, there are several reasons to be down on Ridley's prospects.

1. He struggled in 2012 with 5 fumbles, 2 of which came in Dec and the last being a game clincher in NEs playoff loss to Bal.

2. He struggled again in 2013.

3. He simply isn't special enough to get away with putting the ball on the ground; look what Blount did in his place even BJG.

4. He is in the last year of his contract and it is highly doubtful they resign him, look how easily they replaced him last year with Blount who imo really isn't all that good. If he fumbles again they are going to give the ball to someone else, maybe White, maybe Gray or Houston, but he is far from Jamal Charles and they aren't going to tolerate him turning the ball over.

Maybe the fumbling isn't in his head, but if you believe as I do that Ridley isn't special (Charles, Spiller, Bush etc) and he most certainly won't be here next year then it isn't hard to envision the team moving on from him sooner that many might think. The team doesn't have a commitment to him and that gives him a very small margin for error and he knows that which just adds to the pressure.

Maybe Ridley doesn't fumble all year and he has a big year, that would be awesome for him and NE. But I think it is more likely he will fumble again at some point and whoever they put in his place will play well enough to keep him on the bench.

I certainly don't hate the guy, I think he is a good player and I wish him the best, but I think he has a lot working against him this year.

Thanks Revival. Appreciate you elaborating with the homer knowledge.

I agree that Ridley is good, but not special. Plus no question he is toast if he coughs it up early in the season or in the preseason.

No way he will ever be elite tier NFL RB but a career 4.5ypc is not shabby and he is a very tough inside runner. If he overcomes the obvious then a real good chance he will be highly productive on the year both in NFL and FF terms. To me Bolden is JAG and the undrafted guys will likely need time to gain BB trust.

If all that happens then someone will want Ridley at the end of the year, although I know Belichick does not like paying top dollar for RB's so good chance he is gone from NE both in good and bad performance scenarios.

We've seen plenty of other backs overcome the dreaded fumblitis with either better technique or just more awareness.

Personally, I give Ridley a 50/50 shot.

 

[cstu]

Or a fumble rate of 1 every 32 carries if you want to go by the last 8 NE games. I like the guy, I really do and I wish it weren't so, but he is a fumble waiting to happen now; not a matter of if, but when. I think its in his head and more likely than not it will continue to be a problem.

IMHO, his contract is up this year and he will not be back, I honestly wouldn't be suprised (I expect) to see Houston stick and take Ridleys role sooner rather than later.

IMO this is massive overreaction.

After his last fumble lost in Game 12, BB still gave him 60 more carries in the last six games and no fumbles.

Will he be on a short leash because of his history? Of course, so there is still risk in taking him although that risk has been reasonably priced into his ADP.

But to say after six games (including 14/52/2 in playoff game) that basically the guy is a psychological basket case when the coach hasn't even given up on him is a huge stretch.

It has to be hard on someone mentally knowing the coach is going to bench him with his next fumble. He looked a little more tentative to me after his benching then he did before. I think he's better off leaving the Patriots next year and going somewhere where the coach says he's the guy regardless of fumbles.

 

[cstu]

Gerhart has 3 fumbles on 86 carries the past two years and you hear nothing about it.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Gerhart has 3 fumbles on 86 carries the past two years and you hear nothing about it.

gerhart doesn't play for belichick, and didn't get benched as a starter because of it.

ridley isn't the only player on the pats to fumble, btw

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Or a fumble rate of 1 every 32 carries if you want to go by the last 8 NE games. I like the guy, I really do and I wish it weren't so, but he is a fumble waiting to happen now; not a matter of if, but when. I think its in his head and more likely than not it will continue to be a problem.

IMHO, his contract is up this year and he will not be back, I honestly wouldn't be suprised (I expect) to see Houston stick and take Ridleys role sooner rather than later.

IMO this is massive overreaction.

After his last fumble lost in Game 12, BB still gave him 60 more carries in the last six games and no fumbles.

Will he be on a short leash because of his history? Of course, so there is still risk in taking him although that risk has been reasonably priced into his ADP.

But to say after six games (including 14/52/2 in playoff game) that basically the guy is a psychological basket case when the coach hasn't even given up on him is a huge stretch.

HI Phantom, as a huge NE fan (obviously) I really hope I am wrong and I certainly might be. I am giving my opinion on what I think is most likely going to happen and that opinion isn't based on just the last half of last year. IMHO, there are several reasons to be down on Ridley's prospects.1. He struggled in 2012 with 5 fumbles, 2 of which came in Dec and the last being a game clincher in NEs playoff loss to Bal.

2. He struggled again in 2013.

3. He simply isn't special enough to get away with putting the ball on the ground; look what Blount did in his place even BJG.

4. He is in the last year of his contract and it is highly doubtful they resign him, look how easily they replaced him last year with Blount who imo really isn't all that good. If he fumbles again they are going to give the ball to someone else, maybe White, maybe Gray or Houston, but he is far from Jamal Charles and they aren't going to tolerate him turning the ball over.

Maybe the fumbling isn't in his head, but if you believe as I do that Ridley isn't special (Charles, Spiller, Bush etc) and he most certainly won't be here next year then it isn't hard to envision the team moving on from him sooner that many might think. The team doesn't have a commitment to him and that gives him a very small margin for error and he knows that which just adds to the pressure.

Maybe Ridley doesn't fumble all year and he has a big year, that would be awesome for him and NE. But I think it is more likely he will fumble again at some point and whoever they put in his place will play well enough to keep him on the bench.

I certainly don't hate the guy, I think he is a good player and I wish him the best, but I think he has a lot working against him this year.

ALL RBs fumble. It comes with playing the position. He will fumble at some point if he gets the carries.

But to act like a single fumble (alluded to above) is going to send him to the pine is hilariously ridiculous.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Or a fumble rate of 1 every 32 carries if you want to go by the last 8 NE games. I like the guy, I really do and I wish it weren't so, but he is a fumble waiting to happen now; not a matter of if, but when. I think its in his head and more likely than not it will continue to be a problem.

IMHO, his contract is up this year and he will not be back, I honestly wouldn't be suprised (I expect) to see Houston stick and take Ridleys role sooner rather than later.

IMO this is massive overreaction.

After his last fumble lost in Game 12, BB still gave him 60 more carries in the last six games and no fumbles.

Will he be on a short leash because of his history? Of course, so there is still risk in taking him although that risk has been reasonably priced into his ADP.

But to say after six games (including 14/52/2 in playoff game) that basically the guy is a psychological basket case when the coach hasn't even given up on him is a huge stretch.

HI Phantom, as a huge NE fan (obviously) I really hope I am wrong and I certainly might be. I am giving my opinion on what I think is most likely going to happen and that opinion isn't based on just the last half of last year. IMHO, there are several reasons to be down on Ridley's prospects.1. He struggled in 2012 with 5 fumbles, 2 of which came in Dec and the last being a game clincher in NEs playoff loss to Bal.

2. He struggled again in 2013.

3. He simply isn't special enough to get away with putting the ball on the ground; look what Blount did in his place even BJG.

4. He is in the last year of his contract and it is highly doubtful they resign him, look how easily they replaced him last year with Blount who imo really isn't all that good. If he fumbles again they are going to give the ball to someone else, maybe White, maybe Gray or Houston, but he is far from Jamal Charles and they aren't going to tolerate him turning the ball over.

Maybe the fumbling isn't in his head, but if you believe as I do that Ridley isn't special (Charles, Spiller, Bush etc) and he most certainly won't be here next year then it isn't hard to envision the team moving on from him sooner that many might think. The team doesn't have a commitment to him and that gives him a very small margin for error and he knows that which just adds to the pressure.

Maybe Ridley doesn't fumble all year and he has a big year, that would be awesome for him and NE. But I think it is more likely he will fumble again at some point and whoever they put in his place will play well enough to keep him on the bench.

I certainly don't hate the guy, I think he is a good player and I wish him the best, but I think he has a lot working against him this year.

ALL RBs fumble. It comes with playing the position. He will fumble at some point if he gets the carries.

But to act like a single fumble (alluded to above) is going to send him to the pine is hilariously ridiculous.

I don't think I ever said or meant a "single" fumble I was referring to his fumbling issues. However, if u want to get technical, it is far from ridiculous to say that if he fumbles he will get sent to the bench, he will most likely go to the bench, the only question being for how long. You don't have to take my word for it.

Here is an excerpt from a Nov 25 2013 article:

FOXBORO, Mass. — It’s an uncomfortable process that does not seem to be going away.

First, Stevan Ridley starts the game, runs well and gets the Patriots moving down the field. Then he fumbles, Bill Belichick benches him and the running back has to stand in front of the media to answer questions about his fumblitis.

http://nesn.com/2013/11/stevan-ridley-says-new-england-deserves-better-than-fumble-that-caused-bill-belichick-to-bench-him/

Yes, every RB fumbles, but every RB doesn't have fumbling "issues" and every RB isn't on the last year of his contract playing for BB

Let me make it clear that I am not saying never draft Ridley, I am just saying there is a lot of risk in doing so. Personally I think he is a good not great RB and I hope he runs for 1200 yards and 12 tds; he is certainly more than capable enough. In fact if he can avoid his fumbling issues and doesn't get injured those numbers will be a slam dunk; I just don't think that scenario is most "likely".

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Or a fumble rate of 1 every 32 carries if you want to go by the last 8 NE games. I like the guy, I really do and I wish it weren't so, but he is a fumble waiting to happen now; not a matter of if, but when. I think its in his head and more likely than not it will continue to be a problem.

IMHO, his contract is up this year and he will not be back, I honestly wouldn't be suprised (I expect) to see Houston stick and take Ridleys role sooner rather than later.

IMO this is massive overreaction.

After his last fumble lost in Game 12, BB still gave him 60 more carries in the last six games and no fumbles.

Will he be on a short leash because of his history? Of course, so there is still risk in taking him although that risk has been reasonably priced into his ADP.

But to say after six games (including 14/52/2 in playoff game) that basically the guy is a psychological basket case when the coach hasn't even given up on him is a huge stretch.

HI Phantom, as a huge NE fan (obviously) I really hope I am wrong and I certainly might be. I am giving my opinion on what I think is most likely going to happen and that opinion isn't based on just the last half of last year. IMHO, there are several reasons to be down on Ridley's prospects.1. He struggled in 2012 with 5 fumbles, 2 of which came in Dec and the last being a game clincher in NEs playoff loss to Bal.

2. He struggled again in 2013.

3. He simply isn't special enough to get away with putting the ball on the ground; look what Blount did in his place even BJG.

4. He is in the last year of his contract and it is highly doubtful they resign him, look how easily they replaced him last year with Blount who imo really isn't all that good. If he fumbles again they are going to give the ball to someone else, maybe White, maybe Gray or Houston, but he is far from Jamal Charles and they aren't going to tolerate him turning the ball over.

Maybe the fumbling isn't in his head, but if you believe as I do that Ridley isn't special (Charles, Spiller, Bush etc) and he most certainly won't be here next year then it isn't hard to envision the team moving on from him sooner that many might think. The team doesn't have a commitment to him and that gives him a very small margin for error and he knows that which just adds to the pressure.

Maybe Ridley doesn't fumble all year and he has a big year, that would be awesome for him and NE. But I think it is more likely he will fumble again at some point and whoever they put in his place will play well enough to keep him on the bench.

I certainly don't hate the guy, I think he is a good player and I wish him the best, but I think he has a lot working against him this year.

ALL RBs fumble. It comes with playing the position. He will fumble at some point if he gets the carries.But to act like a single fumble (alluded to above) is going to send him to the pine is hilariously ridiculous.

I don't think I ever said or meant a "single" fumble I was referring to his fumbling issues. However, if u want to get technical, it is far from ridiculous to say that if he fumbles he will get sent to the bench, he will most likely go to the bench, the only question being for how long. You don't have to take my word for it.Here is an excerpt from a Nov 25 2013 article:

FOXBORO, Mass. Its an uncomfortable process that does not seem to be going away.

First, Stevan Ridley starts the game, runs well and gets the Patriots moving down the field. Then he fumbles, Bill Belichick benches him and the running back has to stand in front of the media to answer questions about his fumblitis.

http://nesn.com/2013/11/stevan-ridley-says-new-england-deserves-better-than-fumble-that-caused-bill-belichick-to-bench-him/

Yes, every RB fumbles, but every RB doesn't have fumbling "issues" and every RB isn't on the last year of his contract playing for BB

Let me make it clear that I am not saying never draft Ridley, I am just saying there is a lot of risk in doing so. Personally I think he is a good not great RB and I hope he runs for 1200 yards and 12 tds; he is certainly more than capable enough. In fact if he can avoid his fumbling issues and doesn't get injured those numbers will be a slam dunk; I just don't think that scenario is most "likely".

I understand what you are saying now. But your comments: "maybe he won't fumble all year", "if he fumbles again", and "more likely he fumbles again" all seem to indicate a fumble leading to bad things for him.I actually think he bounces back nicely. And, yes, I think he will fumble at least a couple times. All RBs do. If he can keep it from being chronic again, I think he will be in good shape. I don't expect them to bring him back, because they don't pay people unless they are Tom Brady. I think he will catch on somewhere and lead a committee in 2015.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Or a fumble rate of 1 every 32 carries if you want to go by the last 8 NE games. I like the guy, I really do and I wish it weren't so, but he is a fumble waiting to happen now; not a matter of if, but when. I think its in his head and more likely than not it will continue to be a problem.

IMHO, his contract is up this year and he will not be back, I honestly wouldn't be suprised (I expect) to see Houston stick and take Ridleys role sooner rather than later.

IMO this is massive overreaction.

After his last fumble lost in Game 12, BB still gave him 60 more carries in the last six games and no fumbles.

Will he be on a short leash because of his history? Of course, so there is still risk in taking him although that risk has been reasonably priced into his ADP.

But to say after six games (including 14/52/2 in playoff game) that basically the guy is a psychological basket case when the coach hasn't even given up on him is a huge stretch.

HI Phantom, as a huge NE fan (obviously) I really hope I am wrong and I certainly might be. I am giving my opinion on what I think is most likely going to happen and that opinion isn't based on just the last half of last year. IMHO, there are several reasons to be down on Ridley's prospects.1. He struggled in 2012 with 5 fumbles, 2 of which came in Dec and the last being a game clincher in NEs playoff loss to Bal.

2. He struggled again in 2013.

3. He simply isn't special enough to get away with putting the ball on the ground; look what Blount did in his place even BJG.

4. He is in the last year of his contract and it is highly doubtful they resign him, look how easily they replaced him last year with Blount who imo really isn't all that good. If he fumbles again they are going to give the ball to someone else, maybe White, maybe Gray or Houston, but he is far from Jamal Charles and they aren't going to tolerate him turning the ball over.

Maybe the fumbling isn't in his head, but if you believe as I do that Ridley isn't special (Charles, Spiller, Bush etc) and he most certainly won't be here next year then it isn't hard to envision the team moving on from him sooner that many might think. The team doesn't have a commitment to him and that gives him a very small margin for error and he knows that which just adds to the pressure.

Maybe Ridley doesn't fumble all year and he has a big year, that would be awesome for him and NE. But I think it is more likely he will fumble again at some point and whoever they put in his place will play well enough to keep him on the bench.

I certainly don't hate the guy, I think he is a good player and I wish him the best, but I think he has a lot working against him this year.

ALL RBs fumble. It comes with playing the position. He will fumble at some point if he gets the carries.But to act like a single fumble (alluded to above) is going to send him to the pine is hilariously ridiculous.

I don't think I ever said or meant a "single" fumble I was referring to his fumbling issues. However, if u want to get technical, it is far from ridiculous to say that if he fumbles he will get sent to the bench, he will most likely go to the bench, the only question being for how long. You don't have to take my word for it.Here is an excerpt from a Nov 25 2013 article:

FOXBORO, Mass. Its an uncomfortable process that does not seem to be going away.

First, Stevan Ridley starts the game, runs well and gets the Patriots moving down the field. Then he fumbles, Bill Belichick benches him and the running back has to stand in front of the media to answer questions about his fumblitis.

http://nesn.com/2013/11/stevan-ridley-says-new-england-deserves-better-than-fumble-that-caused-bill-belichick-to-bench-him/

Yes, every RB fumbles, but every RB doesn't have fumbling "issues" and every RB isn't on the last year of his contract playing for BB

Let me make it clear that I am not saying never draft Ridley, I am just saying there is a lot of risk in doing so. Personally I think he is a good not great RB and I hope he runs for 1200 yards and 12 tds; he is certainly more than capable enough. In fact if he can avoid his fumbling issues and doesn't get injured those numbers will be a slam dunk; I just don't think that scenario is most "likely".

I understand what you are saying now. But your comments: "maybe he won't fumble all year", "if he fumbles again", and "more likely he fumbles again" all seem to indicate a fumble leading to bad things for him.

I actually think he bounces back nicely. And, yes, I think he will fumble at least a couple times. All RBs do. If he can't keep it from being chronic again, I think he will be in good shape. I don't expect them to bring him back, because they don't pay people unless they are Tom Brady. I think he will catch on somewhere and lead a committee in 2015.

It could happen and I hope u r right

 

[cstu]

To put Ridley's fumbles in perspective:

Walter Payton had 30 fumbles his first 3 years. On 921 touches that gives him a rate of one fumble every 30.7 touches.

Ridley's rate: one fumble every 63.7 touches

 

[Shutout]

Bounceback candidate for ff value, for sure. I'm buying.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

To put Ridley's fumbles in perspective:

Walter Payton had 30 fumbles his first 3 years. On 921 touches that gives him a rate of one fumble every 30.7 touches.

Ridley's rate: one fumble every 63.7 touches

Hi CSTU,

I saw Walter Payton play and Steven Ridley is no Walter Payton. Ridley is a slightly above average back who has gone from starting 12 games and 290 carries in 2012 to starting 6 games and 178 attempts in 2013. Ridley is a guy in the last year of his contract who is almost certainly playing his last year for a coach who doesn't tolerate fumbles. IMHO, comparing Ridley's fumble rate to Payton and Charles doesn't make much sense, he is not nearly as talented as either of them.

The 20K dollar question is will Ridley have a year like 2012 or a year like 2013? Both are possible, I happen to feel that 2013 is a little more likely, but I do hope I'm wrong.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

To put Ridley's fumbles in perspective:

Walter Payton had 30 fumbles his first 3 years. On 921 touches that gives him a rate of one fumble every 30.7 touches.

Ridley's rate: one fumble every 63.7 touches

Hi CSTU,I saw Walter Payton play and Steven Ridley is no Walter Payton. Ridley is a slightly above average back who has gone from starting 12 games and 290 carries in 2012 to starting 6 games and 178 attempts in 2013. Ridley is a guy in the last year of his contract who is almost certainly playing his last year for a coach who doesn't tolerate fumbles. IMHO, comparing Ridley's fumble rate to Payton and Charles doesn't make much sense, he is not nearly as talented as either of them.

The 20K dollar question is will Ridley have a year like 2012 or a year like 2013? Both are possible, I happen to feel that 2013 is a little more likely, but I do hope I'm wrong.

He was a high end RB2 in 2012 (RB13), and a low end RB3 in 2013 (RB35). Low end RB3s are still useful, but he performed like more of a flex. Right now he is going ~ 98 overall in redrafts, which is RB31. I think this shows he could be a steal. I think he will be better than last season. Will he be as solid as 2012? Possibly. An 8th round pick level of value screams undervalued to me.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I'll always be grateful for Ridley's 2012 (he helped me win lots of money), but he is too much of a risk now. Every week you start him, there is that fear that he could fumble and get benched, and all of a sudden, one of your starting RBs got you negative points because he ran for only 11 yards and got you -2 for a lost fumble. Not worth the risk, especially since he is not a pass catcher, and he has to score to even be a really good play in any given week.

 

[PhantomJB]

I'll always be grateful for Ridley's 2012 (he helped me win lots of money), but he is too much of a risk now. Every week you start him, there is that fear that he could fumble and get benched, and all of a sudden, one of your starting RBs got you negative points because he ran for only 11 yards and got you -2 for a lost fumble. Not worth the risk, especially since he is not a pass catcher, and he has to score to even be a really good play in any given week.

Yes. Ridley has a lot of risk. But his upside of low-end RB1 / High-end RB2 is proven and the fumble risk is already priced into his ADP of RB29 (FFC).

All of the other RB's around him have equal or greater risk and few have higher upside.

RB21 - F.Gore - Age issues, Hyde and others take over, upside likely capped at last year's RB18 PPG.

RB22 - C.Johnson - Declining skills although still may have upside

RB23 - S. Vereen - Low risk but plenty of people believed he would become bell cow last year and never materialized so upside likely capped.

RB24 - R. Jennings - JAG

RB25 - T. Rich - Whole thread dedicated to how much he sux.

RB26 - B. Tate - Injury, new offense, TD count likely to be low due to poor offense

RB27 - J. Bell - Last season stats likely inflated by Bush, Leshoure injuries

RB28 - R. Rice - Looming suspension, skills declining?, Pierce may be given starting job and never look back

RB29 - S. Ridley - Fumble risk, role known, upside known, no age issues or injury history

RB30 - S. Jackson - Ancient, D.Freeman drafted in 3rd round

RB31 - P. Thomas - PT stands for part-time

I'm with RoyalCheese and others that at RB29 Ridley presents a great risk/reward tradeoff vs. other RB's in that vicinity.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Fair points, but I totally disagree with that comment about Vereen. I doubt most of us assumed he'd become the bell cow last season. I think most of us figured he'd be another Sproles-type (tons of catches, a handful or so of touchdowns, and 5-10 carries a week, depending on the situation and how the game is going). I don't remember hardly anyone ever thinking he'd take over as their featured runner.

 

[Run It Up]

Ridley may not fumble the ball more than a lot of backs, but when he does holy #### is it the worst possible opportunity to.

Obviously this isn't entirely his fault, but the fact remains it keeps happening.

 

[Faust]

Coffee is for Closers: The Case For Stevan Ridley

 

[DropKick]

I'm wondering if another coach would be more tolerant than Bellicheck and play Ridley more. No saying the fumbles are excusable or desirous. However, there are other guys that put the ball on the carpet as well and play. McFadden comes to mind. Also, Kniles Davis has a fumbling rep. That said, its something he needs to get under wraps.

What coach is tolerant of fumbles? Think Tom Coughlin here...

 

[cstu]

I'm wondering if another coach would be more tolerant than Bellicheck and play Ridley more. No saying the fumbles are excusable or desirous. However, there are other guys that put the ball on the carpet as well and play. McFadden comes to mind. Also, Kniles Davis has a fumbling rep. That said, its something he needs to get under wraps.

What coach is tolerant of fumbles? Think Tom Coughlin here...

A lot of RB's fumbled as much as Ridley did last year and didn't lose their job. Ridley had the bad fortune of losing all four of his fumbles and having one three weeks in a row.

Some examples that all had a higher fumble rate:

- Reggie Bush had five fumbles (lost four) on 277 touches (1 in 55)

- Joique Bell had four fumbles (lost three) on 219 touches (1 in 55)

- Alfred Morris had five fumbles (lost four) on 285 touches (1 in 57)

- Ben Tate had five fumbles (lost two) on 215 touches (1 in 43)