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drdgreenlove
Footballguy
i thought it was mcboellerisbetter
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
HE'S A WARRIOR!!!
He lost that game for them today. Two turnovers on the opponents side of the field, and that strip was pathetic at the end. Not that it would have mattered.
Tough loss for the Ravens and their fans. They wanted this game bad. To beat the organization that left them - and the clock is tickin on a lot of those old timers on that team. Ed Reed had a helluva game today. Unfortunately for Ed, the Colts had a better game.
Quick question, why didn't the Ravens challenge Dallas Clark's catch? Could they? Did Indy run a play too quick? That would have been a drive killer... but McNair would have turned the ball over again.
He lost that game for them today. Two turnovers on the opponents side of the field, and that strip was pathetic at the end. Not that it would have mattered.
Tough loss for the Ravens and their fans. They wanted this game bad. To beat the organization that left them - and the clock is tickin on a lot of those old timers on that team. Ed Reed had a helluva game today. Unfortunately for Ed, the Colts had a better game.
Quick question, why didn't the Ravens challenge Dallas Clark's catch? Could they? Did Indy run a play too quick? That would have been a drive killer... but McNair would have turned the ball over again.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
There should be plenty of blame laid at Billick's feet for this one. I'll never understand why some teams abandon the run against the Colts in a close game. Lewis was averaging 5 ypc and went into halftime busting holes in the Colts run D. Then the Ravens came out and did nothing but pass in the 3rd and early 4th quarters. It reminded me of the Pats/Colts game earlier this year. Why shun the run?
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Slow to make some throws. Hop steps forward into more d-end rushes. forces poor throws where he does not set his feet.
pathetic.
Brian Brohm = Chris Redman
pathetic.
Brian Brohm = Chris Redman
JZilla
Footballguy
McNair brought a leadership style and attitude that the team appreciated, and he bought another year or so for Boller to get educated, get confident and collect himself.
McNair comes back next year, gets hurt early, and never takes another snap. Calling it...... ... ...........NOW.
McNair comes back next year, gets hurt early, and never takes another snap. Calling it...... ... ...........NOW.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Kyle Boller is really bad.McNair really did blow this one for Baltimore, but it's not like Boller would have done any better.drdgreenlove said:
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trader jake
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McNair didn't have a good game but he led this team to a great season and had the offense believing in itself. The Colts defense is built to rush the passer...so Billick abandons the run. He played right into Dungy's defensive strengths.
drdgreenlove
Footballguy
i know with boeller it would have 29-3 colts.. boeller would have thrown 2 balls returned for tds
JZilla
Footballguy
Since you can't even spell his name I'll assume you don't know jack ####.
Young 8
Footballguy
"he was", not "he is"McNair is a class act and a true competitor. The Ravens would not have gotten as far as they have without him.Young 8 said:he needs to retirewhat a loser
drdgreenlove
Footballguy
wow you are sure clever... I like how you avoided spelling it too... because clearly with yore (sic if you know what that means) 3rd grade education you don't know how to spell it either...
JZilla
Footballguy
Brilliant shark pool shtick here. F'n drooler.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
drdgreenlove
Footballguy
thanks... i knew I'd win this battle..
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
You can argue about his diminished skills if you want, but I don't think it's up for debate that he's classy and a competitor."he was", not "he is"McNair is a class act and a true competitor. The Ravens would not have gotten as far as they have without him.Young 8 said:he needs to retirewhat a loser
Young 8
Footballguy
yes but you need more to win games than "be classy & competitor"Today's performance was simply unaccetableYou can argue about his diminished skills if you want, but I don't think it's up for debate that he's classy and a competitor."he was", not "he is"McNair is a class act and a true competitor. The Ravens would not have gotten as far as they have without him.Young 8 said:he needs to retirewhat a loser
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
I agree that McNair took the Ravens offense to the next level this season.
But at the same time, you've got to admit, when given the chance this season, Boller FAR exceeded expectations.
60% completion percentage, 104 QB rating, 5 TDs, 3 INTs
And I loathe Kyle Boller.
But at the same time, you've got to admit, when given the chance this season, Boller FAR exceeded expectations.
60% completion percentage, 104 QB rating, 5 TDs, 3 INTs
And I loathe Kyle Boller.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
McNair is a class act and a true competitor. The Ravens would not have gotten as far as they have without him.Young 8 said:he needs to retirewhat a loser
He's had an admirable career, and he's played through as much pain as any QB out there. He has been an outstanding leader and a true winner for most of his career. Kicking him while he's down with unimaginative bait like "he needs to retire" and "what a loser" shows bad form and not much else.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
The Ravens won 13 and had the #12 scoring offense. In 2005 they won 6 and had the #25 scoring offense. What the hell do you want from him? Total perfection?Go pick on someone who actually sucks.yes but you need more to win games than "be classy & competitor"Today's performance was simply unaccetableYou can argue about his diminished skills if you want, but I don't think it's up for debate that he's classy and a competitor."he was", not "he is"McNair is a class act and a true competitor. The Ravens would not have gotten as far as they have without him.Young 8 said:he needs to retirewhat a loser
Young 8
Footballguy
are these stats counts when you lost the divisional at home ?
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
fixedare these stats what counts when you lost the divisional at home ?The Ravens won 13 and had the #12 scoring offense. In 2005 they won 6 and had the #25 scoring offense. What the hell do you want from him? Total perfection?Go pick on someone who actually sucks.yes but you need more to win games than "be classy & competitor"Today's performance was simply unaccetableYou can argue about his diminished skills if you want, but I don't think it's up for debate that he's classy and a competitor."he was", not "he is"McNair is a class act and a true competitor. The Ravens would not have gotten as far as they have without him.Young 8 said:he needs to retire
what a loser
Early_10
footballgoddess
Hey JZilla, Forget that you know the outcome now. This morning or last night, would you have bet on Baltimore to win it today?
JZilla
Footballguy
I don't bet. But I did think they'd win.
Early_10
footballgoddess
The answer I was looking for...thanks.
JZilla
Footballguy
Why?It's not news that you shouldn't bank on my predictions. I'm like GunZ without the swagger.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
They wouldn't have had a home divisional game if not for McNair's stellar performance.In the playoffs, against the best defenses (say what you want about the Colts run D but they've been great against the pass all season), sometimes QBs don't get the job done. Peyton Manning has cost his team big games with poor play. Even Mr. Clutch Tom Brady cost his team with an INT in the divisional round last season. It happens.That's hardly reason to retire for a guy who revamped a dead offense and led his team to 13-3.are these stats counts when you lost the divisional at home ?The Ravens won 13 and had the #12 scoring offense. In 2005 they won 6 and had the #25 scoring offense. What the hell do you want from him? Total perfection?Go pick on someone who actually sucks.yes but you need more to win games than "be classy & competitor"Today's performance was simply unaccetableYou can argue about his diminished skills if you want, but I don't think it's up for debate that he's classy and a competitor."he was", not "he is"McNair is a class act and a true competitor. The Ravens would not have gotten as far as they have without him.Young 8 said:he needs to retirewhat a loser
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
Hmmm. Vince Young won just as many playoff games as daddy Mac did this year.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
One tough call against the Ravens that wasnt talked about was Ed Reeds 2nd int where he tightroped and lateralled to Chris McAllister but the ref called him out of bounds. Replays showed he stayed in bounds and the Ravens were likely to return that interception deep into Indy territory if not for that bad call.
Banger
Footballguy
McNair would have probably thrown another pick so it likely wouldn't have made a difference.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
He played as well as Manning did. Manning's head coach didn't abandon the run. McNair's did. And the Ravens' run game was having more success at the time.
Banger
Footballguy
Manning despite the bad numbers still made some key 3rd downs that helped move the chains and resulted in FG's. Believe me, neither QB played well but I thought McNair was far worse. Just my opinion though. I agree with your point about abandoning the run.
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Agree on key 3rd downs. In my opinion, the difference in the game was:1.] Billick abandons the running game coming out of halftime after Jamal Lewis was gashing the Colts run D with momentum the last scoring drive before halftime. Playcalling wasn't as bad as the Chiefs' last week, but it was up there with the earlier Patriots/Colts for abandoning the run when it's working in a close game. Why go away from what you do well and the Colts do poorly? I got the feeling they were trying to catch the Colts guessing run too often........9.] Field position10.] Manning was better on 3rd downs than McNair was.Also, the officiating slightly favored Colts (though not a deciding factor)
Sanboy
Footballguy
Mcnair played the same way the last couple years in TENN ... INT's are a huge problem for him
EDDIE GEORGE and a great defense in TENN covered up alot of MCNAIR's problems
he is a warrior in regards to injuries and leadership .. but the days of him actually taking a team on his back ... are long gone ..
EDDIE GEORGE and a great defense in TENN covered up alot of MCNAIR's problems
he is a warrior in regards to injuries and leadership .. but the days of him actually taking a team on his back ... are long gone ..
geoff8695
Footballguy
Agreed.Also, I don't know where to find stats on hurries, Knockdowns, etc., but McNair took far worse of a physical pounding then Manning. I don't care if you're Tom Brady. If you are constantly getting the snot knocked out of you it throws off your timing and your game. McNair doesn't call the plays or block...
Kyzersosik
Footballguy
Note to Balt., RUN THE DAMN BALL! that is all.
jurb26
Footballguy
McNair played bad yesterday. There is no getting around that. Probably as bad as I can ever remember him playing to be honest. Why oh why did Balt stop running the ball and dumping off to Lewis in the short passing game though? By the end of the 2nd quarter it looked like Lewis had taken a toll on the Indy D. He was making cuts we haven't seen since 2003 and running with power. Lewis finsihed the game with only 13 carries. Are you kidding me? 13 freaking carries? 11 of those were in the 1st half. WTF? 
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Aaronstory
Footballguy
Well, he did win 12.yes but you need more to win games than "be classy & competitor"You can argue about his diminished skills if you want, but I don't think it's up for debate that he's classy and a competitor."he was", not "he is"McNair is a class act and a true competitor. The Ravens would not have gotten as far as they have without him.Young 8 said:he needs to retirewhat a loser
Big Score
Footballguy
That's like saying Rex Grossman won 13.Well, he did win 12.yes but you need more to win games than "be classy & competitor"You can argue about his diminished skills if you want, but I don't think it's up for debate that he's classy and a competitor."he was", not "he is"McNair is a class act and a true competitor. The Ravens would not have gotten as far as they have without him.Young 8 said:he needs to retirewhat a loser
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I counted 9 first half carries and 4 in the second.McNair played bad yesterday. There is no getting around that. Probably as bad as I can ever remember him playing to be honest. Why oh why did Balt stop running the ball and dumping off to Lewis in the short passing game though? By the end of the 2nd quarter it looked like Lewis had taken a toll on the Indy D. He was making cuts we haven't seen since 2003 and running with power. Lewis finsihed the game with only 13 carries. Are you kidding me? 13 freaking carries? 11 of those were in the 1st half. WTF?
Traders2001
Footballguy
Billick is responsible for this lost .I counted 9 first half carries and 4 in the second.McNair played bad yesterday. There is no getting around that. Probably as bad as I can ever remember him playing to be honest. Why oh why did Balt stop running the ball and dumping off to Lewis in the short passing game though? By the end of the 2nd quarter it looked like Lewis had taken a toll on the Indy D. He was making cuts we haven't seen since 2003 and running with power. Lewis finsihed the game with only 13 carries. Are you kidding me? 13 freaking carries? 11 of those were in the 1st half. WTF?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Billick is a genius.Billick is responsible for this lost .I counted 9 first half carries and 4 in the second.McNair played bad yesterday. There is no getting around that. Probably as bad as I can ever remember him playing to be honest. Why oh why did Balt stop running the ball and dumping off to Lewis in the short passing game though? By the end of the 2nd quarter it looked like Lewis had taken a toll on the Indy D. He was making cuts we haven't seen since 2003 and running with power. Lewis finsihed the game with only 13 carries. Are you kidding me? 13 freaking carries? 11 of those were in the 1st half. WTF?
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