Steve Smith (Carolina) going forward... (1 Viewer)

[fasteddie_21]

IMO, the bye week is coming at just the right time for this team and combo of Delhomme/Smith, but you can't help but be worried at this point.

Delhomme is definitely becoming a serious liability at QB and I wonder how valuable Smith will be long-term.

Yes, I understand Smith has been 'the man' even w/ Delhomme at QB for years, but it certainly seems like Delhomme is getting worse and not better.

Obviously, you wouldn't want to trade him right now since his value is in the toilet, but is anyone else seriously concerned here?

Thoughts?

 

[hoopvillian]

I offered Ray Rice and Braylon Edwards for him, the team owner said no. So I don't think everyone is panicking.

 

[fasteddie_21]

I offered Ray Rice and Braylon Edwards for him, the team owner said no. So I don't think everyone is panicking.

I'm not panicking, but I am definitely concerned.I did have a guy offer me MEGATRON for SS and Cedric Benson. I laughed at him.But obviously, people realize his value is in the toilet.I'm just wondering if people are EXPECTING, and not hoping, for a serious rebound into the Top 10 by seasons end?

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

I just put him on the shopping blocks.

I wont sell low though. Looking for good fair value back.

My team he on is 0-3 and i also have R.Moss Vjax DeseanJackson Manningham Henry and a few other guys at wr on there.

So i could stand to use him to get some upgrades elsewhere or top end youth.

ETA. My rb's are HORRID so thats why i would consider moving him as i can play up to 4wr's. Dwill R.Rice M.Bush LJ and Ricky at rb is FUGLY.

 

[Clifton]

No way I would have drafted smith inside of the 3rd round this year. If I had him I'd move him for future draft picks.

 

[General Tso]

I never liked the clown but the way my draft unfolded I had to take him as my WR2. I did so very reluctantly because my gut has always told me that this guy is way over-rated and in a TD heavy league like mine he is more like a WR3. I don't know, I just hate those quick little wideouts. They may get 8 catches for 130 yards, but they don't cash in with TD's unless they get lucky.

Oh, nd did I mention that Carolina sucks?

 

[lafan68]

IMO, the bye week is coming at just the right time for this team and combo of Delhomme/Smith, but you can't help but be worried at this point.Delhomme is definitely becoming a serious liability at QB and I wonder how valuable Smith will be long-term.Yes, I understand Smith has been 'the man' even w/ Delhomme at QB for years, but it certainly seems like Delhomme is getting worse and not better.Obviously, you wouldn't want to trade him right now since his value is in the toilet, but is anyone else seriously concerned here?Thoughts?

Is there an issue? Yes, but I really don't see the "panic" portion, folks. I think a major problem has been an inexplicable reliance on passing plays even in situations where they are not warranted. In the Dallas game, Carolina had 7 minutes in the fourth quarter left, down by only 6, and yet they were passing [e.g. forcing passes] as if down by 21. And it is not as if they don't have a decent RB... The game was absolutely competitive up until that point and Jake was doing fine.Aside from 2 horrible games back to back for Jake, these are still essentially the same players that won a lot of games last year, and my hope is they figure out what worked before during the bye. It would be a COMPLETELY different story if it were like the year where they were relying on Carr for the rest of the year. At least Jake has had success in the past, and my hope is they iron out what they are doing wrong. Maybe Im just a glass half full guy (yes I own Smith and I also owned him the year Carr was there), but while 0-3 is definately a hole, its not like they are dealing with a completely new personnel. With WAS and TB after the bye, feel free to sell Smith low now. Me... I'm going to start him and feel good about it.LAfan68

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

He is one of the few wr's thats a TARGET monster.

He is #2 in wr targets behind R.Moss so he will get plenty of chances to post numbers.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

I never liked the clown but the way my draft unfolded I had to take him as my WR2. I did so very reluctantly because my gut has always told me that this guy is way over-rated and in a TD heavy league like mine he is more like a WR3. I don't know, I just hate those quick little wideouts. They may get 8 catches for 130 yards, but they don't cash in with TD's unless they get lucky.Oh, nd did I mention that Carolina sucks?

His career is proof that your gut is wrong.

No way I would have drafted smith inside of the 3rd round this year.

You should meet up with the guy in the Greg Jennings thread and talk about how awesome you both are.

 

[The Jerk]

You should meet up with the guy in the Greg Jennings thread and talk about how awesome you both are.

I think I pulled a muscle laughing on this one.Anywho,Smith is not the most consistent TD scorer, but he has consistently gotten high targets and high yards. His TDs have often come in bunches and frequently from long distance. I prefer to think the 6-7 TDs he was expected to score are still out there, so that just makes them more likely.His fantasy value may have gone down a notch, but it's through no fault of his own. Smith has been and still is one of the most talented wide receivers in the game.

 

[inzanitee]

I am buying when possible. Love this guy in ppr.

 

[Hellfire Snail]

I never liked the clown but the way my draft unfolded I had to take him as my WR2. I did so very reluctantly because my gut has always told me that this guy is way over-rated and in a TD heavy league like mine he is more like a WR3. I don't know, I just hate those quick little wideouts. They may get 8 catches for 130 yards, but they don't cash in with TD's unless they get lucky.Oh, nd did I mention that Carolina sucks?

His career is proof that your gut is wrong.

No way I would have drafted smith inside of the 3rd round this year.

You should meet up with the guy in the Greg Jennings thread and talk about how awesome you both are.

Receivers have down games. Man. Are people unfamiliar with what Smith has done the last five years? With Delhomme? Yeah Delhomme looks bad right now--who cares? He throws the ball at Smith fanatically. I'd rather have a QB suck and chuck the ball repeatedly at a receiver than a good one who wins and spreads it around. More often than not Smith breaks one for a long touchdown or a long gain, usually multiple times, and that's when he has monster games and that's why his end of the year yardage totals are sick. It's why he's an elite receiver. Good luck finding a reciever who doesn't have 40 yard games once in a while.

 

[Clifton]

I never liked the clown but the way my draft unfolded I had to take him as my WR2. I did so very reluctantly because my gut has always told me that this guy is way over-rated and in a TD heavy league like mine he is more like a WR3. I don't know, I just hate those quick little wideouts. They may get 8 catches for 130 yards, but they don't cash in with TD's unless they get lucky.Oh, nd did I mention that Carolina sucks?

His career is proof that your gut is wrong.

No way I would have drafted smith inside of the 3rd round this year.

You should meet up with the guy in the Greg Jennings thread and talk about how awesome you both are.

Most of the sharks saw this developing. You sound like a bitter Smith owner. BTW, I money every league I play in. What about you?

 

[rzrback77]

Most of the sharks saw this developing. You sound like a bitter Smith owner. BTW, I money every league I play in. What about you?

What does this mean?

 

[Blick]

Most of the sharks saw this developing. You sound like a bitter Smith owner. BTW, I money every league I play in. What about you?

What does this mean?

It means he luckier than those of us who are only more often than not in the top quarter of our leagues.

 

[Ripleys]

Does it appear Steve Smith has lost his speed? Hands? Fire for the game? NO, NO, and NO. The Panthers as a team, and the QB play, is hurting him right now. But to say he's no longer elite, or to panic and move him cheap is a BIG mistake IMO...

 

[Otis]

Cliff hauling in some serious catch in here.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

I never liked the clown but the way my draft unfolded I had to take him as my WR2. I did so very reluctantly because my gut has always told me that this guy is way over-rated and in a TD heavy league like mine he is more like a WR3. I don't know, I just hate those quick little wideouts. They may get 8 catches for 130 yards, but they don't cash in with TD's unless they get lucky.Oh, nd did I mention that Carolina sucks?

His career is proof that your gut is wrong.

No way I would have drafted smith inside of the 3rd round this year.

You should meet up with the guy in the Greg Jennings thread and talk about how awesome you both are.

Most of the sharks saw this developing. You sound like a bitter Smith owner. BTW, I money every league I play in. What about you?

Of course not. What kind of moneybags shark would draft Steve Smith? BTW, "developing" = saw QB play terrible in last game last year. Very shark-like. Expert really.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I have SSmith (Car) and I'm worried.

Well, week 2 was a good result.

But Delhomme is crashing and I should have seen that coming because he was crashing last year.

However maybe Carolina just ran into a buzzsaw in Dallas. But what disturbs me there is that *should* have been a good passing game for Carolina. Tampa and the NYG both eviscerated Dallas in the air. Passing *was* the right game plan considering that and Fix had to go with hsi personnel.

Yeah yeah yeah, DW & Stewart is a helluva backfield, but still given Dallas' weaknesses Carolina was right to throw on them. Look at how SSmith opened the game - great - I just wonder why they went away from the possession sideline stuff and started going for the downfield work.

Either way, it was a bad game, cost me a win, and hopefully Carolina works out the kinks, right now there's just no telling.

 

[Clifton]

I never liked the clown but the way my draft unfolded I had to take him as my WR2. I did so very reluctantly because my gut has always told me that this guy is way over-rated and in a TD heavy league like mine he is more like a WR3. I don't know, I just hate those quick little wideouts. They may get 8 catches for 130 yards, but they don't cash in with TD's unless they get lucky.

Oh, nd did I mention that Carolina sucks?

His career is proof that your gut is wrong.

No way I would have drafted smith inside of the 3rd round this year.

You should meet up with the guy in the Greg Jennings thread and talk about how awesome you both are.

Most of the sharks saw this developing. You sound like a bitter Smith owner. BTW, I money every league I play in. What about you?

Of course not. What kind of moneybags shark would draft Steve Smith? BTW, "developing" = saw QB play terrible in last game last year. Very shark-like. Expert really.

I think there's a little more than that involved. Might have had something to do with his ADP being in the early 20s. Clearly not worth it anymore. Looks like you took the bait with visions of a 1500 yard, 9 td season in your head. Maybe you blick and rzrback could have a little pow ow and talk about how unlucky you all got drafting a WR without a QB who plays for a stubborn, I stick with my veterans, coach.

 

[simey]

Delhomme is definitely becoming a serious liability at QB and I wonder how valuable Smith will be long-term.

You can't put it all on Jake. He played pretty well against the Falcons, and he didn't play bad against the Cowboys. He was perfect in the two minute drill before half time. In the second half one interception was his fault (although Moose could have put forth a little more effort to break up the pass). The second interception was Steve Smith's fault. He broke off his route. I thought the most frustrating thing about that game was the lack of running the ball in the second half. The score was low and close. For whatever reason the OC felt the need to pass, pass, pass, when the Panthers have a great running game. The Panthers are supposed to be a running team, but you would never have known that by the playcalling in the second half of the game.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

I think there's a little more than that involved. Might have had something to do with his ADP being in the early 20s. Clearly not worth it anymore. Looks like you took the bait with visions of a 1500 yard, 9 td season in your head. Maybe you blick and rzrback could have a little pow ow and talk about how unlucky you all got drafting a WR without a QB who plays for a stubborn, I stick with my veterans, coach.

Good call moneybags. Let me guess you have Wayne and Colston because God knows no FF HOF'er like yourself would've touched White or Jennings either. Be sure to keep us updated on your inevitable undefeated season.

 

[Clifton]

I think there's a little more than that involved. Might have had something to do with his ADP being in the early 20s. Clearly not worth it anymore. Looks like you took the bait with visions of a 1500 yard, 9 td season in your head. Maybe you blick and rzrback could have a little pow ow and talk about how unlucky you all got drafting a WR without a QB who plays for a stubborn, I stick with my veterans, coach.

Good call moneybags. Let me guess you have Wayne and Colston because God knows no FF HOF'er like yourself would've touched White or Jennings either. Be sure to keep us updated on your inevitable undefeated season.

At least we understand each other. First newsletter is free. Let me know.

 

[Bamboo Bill]

 

[JuniorNB]

No way I would have drafted smith inside of the 3rd round this year. If I had him I'd move him for future draft picks.

Just scanned the board furiously to find this nugget in a pre-draft thread. Of course, I couldn't find it.Now it's my turn:I knew that McGahee would blow up this year. It was clear as day and anyone as successful in fantasy football as me should have seen this. (12 semi-final or better finsishes in 16 seasons). I was going to tell you during teh pre-season but I forgot.

 

[RamMan]

Offered D. Brown (he's got Addai) + one of either Harvin, Braylon, or Welker for Smitty. Was told to have intercourse with myself.

 

[jobarules]

No way I would have drafted smith inside of the 3rd round this year. If I had him I'd move him for future draft picks.

Just scanned the board furiously to find this nugget in a pre-draft thread. Of course, I couldn't find it.Now it's my turn:I knew that McGahee would blow up this year. It was clear as day and anyone as successful in fantasy football as me should have seen this. (12 semi-final or better finsishes in 16 seasons). I was going to tell you during teh pre-season but I forgot.

You realize Clifton is Finless and this is his schtick?

 

[jobarules]

Offered D. Brown (he's got Addai) + one of either Harvin, Braylon, or Welker for Smitty. Was told to have intercourse with myself.

dont blame him

 

[Clifton]

No way I would have drafted smith inside of the 3rd round this year. If I had him I'd move him for future draft picks.

Just scanned the board furiously to find this nugget in a pre-draft thread. Of course, I couldn't find it.Now it's my turn:

I knew that McGahee would blow up this year. It was clear as day and anyone as successful in fantasy football as me should have seen this. (12 semi-final or better finsishes in 16 seasons). I was going to tell you during teh pre-season but I forgot.

Would you like a fax of my rosters? Steve Smith was on my do not draft unless he slides list. He's had two great seasons and a handful of decent seasons. He's had a history of injuries, he was hobbled in the preseason and his quarterback stinks. Why is it hard to believe I would leave this guy off my list of guys to target? He's not on a single team of mine. Sure I targeted Bowe over Smith in all leagues and he's hobbled. But still even having missed a game and playing on a terrible team with no QB and no rush game has managed to outscore him. Smith's ADP was right around the 24 range. This was WAY too high. I thought this was standard shark consensus.

 

[JuniorNB]

No way I would have drafted smith inside of the 3rd round this year. If I had him I'd move him for future draft picks.

Just scanned the board furiously to find this nugget in a pre-draft thread. Of course, I couldn't find it.Now it's my turn:I knew that McGahee would blow up this year. It was clear as day and anyone as successful in fantasy football as me should have seen this. (12 semi-final or better finsishes in 16 seasons). I was going to tell you during teh pre-season but I forgot.

You realize Clifton is Finless and this is his schtick?

I didn't realize he was Finless but yes, I'm very familiar with his shtick. That's my counter-shtick.

 

[Clifton]

No way I would have drafted smith inside of the 3rd round this year. If I had him I'd move him for future draft picks.

Just scanned the board furiously to find this nugget in a pre-draft thread. Of course, I couldn't find it.Now it's my turn:I knew that McGahee would blow up this year. It was clear as day and anyone as successful in fantasy football as me should have seen this. (12 semi-final or better finsishes in 16 seasons). I was going to tell you during teh pre-season but I forgot.

You realize Clifton is Finless and this is his schtick?

I didn't realize he was Finless but yes, I'm very familiar with his shtick. That's my counter-shtick.

It's not shtick. I'm sure we could find a few board pros and staff that had their doubts about Steve Smith going into this thing. People are talking like he was a lock for a big season and they're surprised. The signs were there.

 

[JuniorNB]

No way I would have drafted smith inside of the 3rd round this year. If I had him I'd move him for future draft picks.

Just scanned the board furiously to find this nugget in a pre-draft thread. Of course, I couldn't find it.Now it's my turn:I knew that McGahee would blow up this year. It was clear as day and anyone as successful in fantasy football as me should have seen this. (12 semi-final or better finsishes in 16 seasons). I was going to tell you during teh pre-season but I forgot.

You realize Clifton is Finless and this is his schtick?

I didn't realize he was Finless but yes, I'm very familiar with his shtick. That's my counter-shtick.

It's not shtick. I'm sure we could find a few board pros and staff that had their doubts about Steve Smith going into this thing. People are talking like he was a lock for a big season and they're surprised. The signs were there.

Ok, I'll play. You amuse me.You said in your initial post that everyone should have known not to draft him inside the third round. Ok, let's pretend that everyone actually shared your genius-like insight and drafted him in the fourth round. Isn't it still okay for his owners to hope he produces well? Your comment has absolutely no relevence to the original question asked, which is how we think Smith will go going forward.And I know everyone, Clifton is really an alias and he's fishing.

 

[Clifton]

Ok, I'll play. You amuse me.You said in your initial post that everyone should have known not to draft him inside the third round. Ok, let's pretend that everyone actually shared your genius-like insight and drafted him in the fourth round. Isn't it still okay for his owners to hope he produces well? Your comment has absolutely no relevence to the original question asked, which is how we think Smith will go going forward.And I know everyone, Clifton is really an alias and he's fishing.

Fair enough. I was just trying to say that I didn't have high hopes for Smitty coming in and I'm not sure how many people expected a monster season from him. I would be worried about him going forward and I would move him for reasonable value. Is that fishing? Or is this a case of defensive Smith owners? I love Steve Smith. Would love to have him playing for my team. He's a little freak of nature. His situation is just less than ideal.Was I imagining him being hobbled in the preseason? Or being hobbled two years ago early in?

 

[HoTnickZ]

Anyone trade him yet? I'm wondering if trying to shop him for Boldin might be a good idea right about now.

 

[the spanker]

Anyone trade him yet? I'm wondering if trying to shop him for Boldin might be a good idea right about now.

I traded FOR him.

 

[HoTnickZ]

Anyone trade him yet? I'm wondering if trying to shop him for Boldin might be a good idea right about now.

I traded FOR him.

Inquiring minds want to know who you gave up?

 

[Shermanator]

I was offered T.O. and Moreno for SS yesterday after the games. I turned it down. Hope it wasn't a mistake.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Trying to sell him for Chris Johnson

 

[davearm]

Anyone trade him yet? I'm wondering if trying to shop him for Boldin might be a good idea right about now.

I traded FOR him.

Inquiring minds want to know who you gave up?

FWIW I was able to land Smith for Reggie Bush, Bernard Berrian, and Torry Holt.Other guy had some serious roster issues at WR (AJ, Smith, Bruce and Crabtree in a start 3 league).Feel like I got some good name value out of the three guys I dealt. Happy to be rid of them, and even happier to get Smith back. Say what you will about Delhomme and the Panthers, but Smith is still near the top of the NFL in targets. So long as that continues, the production will follow.

 

[aldelgreco]

Steve Smith (NYG) owner in my league turned down a straight up trade. no dynasty no keepers. purely re draft. that is how much I hate one Steve Smith and love another Steve Smith. I wish I would have made a mistake and dratfed the wrong one on draft day.

 

[Raider Nation]

Steve Smith (NYG) owner in my league turned down a straight up trade. no dynasty no keepers. purely re draft. that is how much I hate one Steve Smith and love another Steve Smith. I wish I would have made a mistake and dratfed the wrong one on draft day.

I own the Carolina Steve Smith, and I have to say that was an insulting offer on your part.Smith from the Giants is clearly the more valuable player right now, and it's by a mile.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Anyone trade him yet? I'm wondering if trying to shop him for Boldin might be a good idea right about now.

I traded FOR him.

Me, too. I traded Schaub and Knox for Hasselbeck and Steve Smith. It's a 10 team PPR league where passing TDs are 6 points (emphasizes QBs), but I have Peyton Manning. I have Vincent Jackson and Jennings as well, so my plan is to use Smith at the flex and for BYEs. I looked at his production game by game last year and I looked into the first three games. In my opinion, the schedule looks good enough and the factors are largely the same (running game, Delhomme, etc). The defense is worse. I'm taking the chance due to how consistent he was last year.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Steve Smith (NYG) owner in my league turned down a straight up trade. no dynasty no keepers. purely re draft. that is how much I hate one Steve Smith and love another Steve Smith. I wish I would have made a mistake and dratfed the wrong one on draft day.

No offense to you, but people HAVE to get over the fact that these guys have the same name. Steve Smith (NYG) is the ultra-shocker of the year. He stands up strong compared to ANY WRs. It's not a one or the other situation.

 

[the_Truth]

I traded Ronnie Brown for Smith last week. 12 team, 2RB/3WR auction league in which I exited the auction with AGonzalez, ERoyal, and DAvery as my receivers.

I was able to grab the other Steve Smith and Sims-Walker so I'm not looking that bad at WR anymore, but thats a benchmark of what someone desperate for WR is willing to give up for Smith.

 

[gregjcross]

Steve Smith (NYG) owner in my league turned down a straight up trade. no dynasty no keepers. purely re draft. that is how much I hate one Steve Smith and love another Steve Smith. I wish I would have made a mistake and dratfed the wrong one on draft day.

No offense to you, but people HAVE to get over the fact that these guys have the same name. Steve Smith (NYG) is the ultra-shocker of the year. He stands up strong compared to ANY WRs. It's not a one or the other situation.

He did get that fact straight from his context. Everybody loves Smith NY, because Delhomme is terrible. End of story.

 

[the spanker]

Anyone trade him yet? I'm wondering if trying to shop him for Boldin might be a good idea right about now.

I traded FOR him.

Inquiring minds want to know who you gave up?

I gave up Harvin/Sproles for Smith/Benson. This was right after Sproles blew up. I sold both high.

 

[Please See Mine]

No way I would have drafted smith inside of the 3rd round this year. If I had him I'd move him for future draft picks.

Just scanned the board furiously to find this nugget in a pre-draft thread. Of course, I couldn't find it.Now it's my turn:

I knew that McGahee would blow up this year. It was clear as day and anyone as successful in fantasy football as me should have seen this. (12 semi-final or better finsishes in 16 seasons). I was going to tell you during teh pre-season but I forgot.

Would you like a fax of my rosters? Steve Smith was on my do not draft unless he slides list.

 

[Please See Mine]

Was just offered Warner and Smith for Eli Manning and Garcon. Accepted immediately.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Was just offered Warner and Smith for Eli Manning and Garcon. Accepted immediately.

Nice

 

[pantherclub]

I think SSmith (car) will be fine and have a decent year with Jake at qb. Smith just seems to get his no matter what.

However I think Smith could have an outstanding year if the panthers make the switch to moore once their season goes into the tank. Moore has the rocket arm that could utilize Smiths speed and moore would lock on to his best receiver since he is an inexperienced.