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Steve Smith or Mario Manningham? (1 Viewer)

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Which one is the one you should target in WW? They both got the same amount of targets but Mario seems to be the new deep threat.

 
i am going with Steve Smith, 8 targets Wk1, 11 targets Wk2. Manning is looking for him often.

Manningham, 4 targets Wk1, 13 targets Wk2.

 
i also would choose Smith over Manningham if I were forced to choose just one of them for the rest of the season ... Manningham did look good last night, though, once Hixon was out of the game and his role increased

 
How about both?

Smith is in his 3rd year which is usually a WR breakout year. He is the WR1 and has spent the most time in the Giants system. The Cowboys game cements this even further as he was Manning's goto guy.

Manningham is breaking out. He is that threat after the catch. I think he is a solid WR2 in their depth chart.

The Giants may be in for a very good season once that ground game starts going.

 
They both pass the eye test. Smith is a fantastic route runner and has very sure hands (that route last night that Collinsworth highlighted was awesome). Manningham is great after the catch, also has sure hands, is a very good deep threat, and has crazy good ball skills. Manningham plays A LOT bigger than his 5'11" 190 pound frame would indicate. Steve Smith was already snagged in my dynasty league but I picked Manningham up last week and think he has a bright future (our league has fairly shallow rosters, hence why Mario was still out there). The big question is what happens when Hixon and Nicks get healthy...

 
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steelwind said:
How about both?Smith is in his 3rd year which is usually a WR breakout year. He is the WR1 and has spent the most time in the Giants system. The Cowboys game cements this even further as he was Manning's goto guy.Manningham is breaking out. He is that threat after the catch. I think he is a solid WR2 in their depth chart.The Giants may be in for a very good season once that ground game starts going.
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IF the ground game ever gets going. Some impressive displays by Dallas' D but Washington isn't much and so far their rushing has been an afterthought. I sincerely hope Jacobs turns things around as I have him in the subscriber contest(if I survive this week). Maybe Derrick Ward was more important to their running game than anyone thought.
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
PPR - SSmithTD heavy - MarioBTW what has happened to the NYG running game?
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Played to tough run D's in Washington and Dallas who were selling out to stop the run and make the Giants prove they can pass to win.Now that the Giants WRs have shown something, I'd expect D's to show a more balanced set against the Giants going forward.
 
Corte said:
steelwind said:
How about both?

Smith is in his 3rd year which is usually a WR breakout year. He is the WR1 and has spent the most time in the Giants system. The Cowboys game cements this even further as he was Manning's goto guy.

Manningham is breaking out. He is that threat after the catch. I think he is a solid WR2 in their depth chart.

The Giants may be in for a very good season once that ground game starts going.
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IF the ground game ever gets going. Some impressive displays by Dallas' D but Washington isn't much and so far their rushing has been an afterthought. I sincerely hope Jacobs turns things around as I have him in the subscriber contest(if I survive this week). Maybe Derrick Ward was more important to their running game than anyone thought.
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you can say a lot of bad things about the Redskins these days, but their run D is better than most
 
Avery said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
BTW what has happened to the NYG running game?
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Played to tough run D's in Washington and Dallas who were selling out to stop the run and make the Giants prove they can pass to win.Now that the Giants WRs have shown something, I'd expect D's to show a more balanced set against the Giants going forward.
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This is what Brandon Jacobs said this morning. That the opposing Ds would come around to seeing that their WRs were a threat.
 
Smith is the one to have.

His role isn't effected much by Hixon and Nicks. Mario's most definitely will be.

 
You'd have a pretty solid team if you had three WRs that have floors as high as Smith's. Plus it seems it seems like the #1 CB is put on the WR that can hurt you deep. Smith runs underneath and catches all day. Also, his catches are shorter and often easier to catch, so his catch % is higher so his targets mean more. However, looking at target numbers, Manningham appears to be a fairly shocking exception to this "rule."

I'd still go with Smith. It kills me to see 3 receptions for 39 yards from a guy who can explode for 150 yards and 2 tds. I'll take Smith's steadier production with very good games thrown in.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Jed said:
jurb26 said:
Manningham is the best WR on the NYG roster and is easily the guy to own. Always was.
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Incredibly wrong. By week 8 he will be fighting for time.
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really? why? him and Eli seem to be clicking, as well as Eli to SSmith.Hixon hasnt impressed me and the rookie is well a rookie and both guys are hurt.
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I know the Giants - huge homer. They are salivating to get Nicks back and give him work. Hixon is nothing, I agree. Nicks is the real threat to Manningham. SS will be gold no matter what is going on around him.
 
jon_mx said:
Cecil_Pooples said:
Jed said:
jurb26 said:
Manningham is the best WR on the NYG roster and is easily the guy to own. Always was.
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Incredibly wrong. By week 8 he will be fighting for time.
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Smith will be pushed to the slot before Mario's "fighting for time".
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I agree. If the Giants are winning and Manningham is doing what he is doing, he is not coming out of the lineup.
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If Nicks lives up to the hype and becomes the big, strong, fast type WR they were hoping for, they could have a pretty sick trio with Manningham across from Nicks and Smith in the slot. Not too shabby for a team that was thought to be incredibly weak at the position.
 
thatguy said:
jon_mx said:
Cecil_Pooples said:
Jed said:
jurb26 said:
Manningham is the best WR on the NYG roster and is easily the guy to own. Always was.
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Incredibly wrong. By week 8 he will be fighting for time.
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Smith will be pushed to the slot before Mario's "fighting for time".
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I agree. If the Giants are winning and Manningham is doing what he is doing, he is not coming out of the lineup.
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If Nicks lives up to the hype and becomes the big, strong, fast type WR they were hoping for, they could have a pretty sick trio with Manningham across from Nicks and Smith in the slot. Not too shabby for a team that was thought to be incredibly weak at the position.
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:nerd: That is how I've been thinking this thing would turn out. Manningham/Nicks as the starters (not sure who will be the technical #1) and Smith in the slot. Smith is destined for a slot role and he would be perfect for it.
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
PPR - SSmithTD heavy - MarioBTW what has happened to the NYG running game?
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I think the Giants are going for a balanced attack. They came out throwing in both games, so it's not that they tried to run and couldn't so they switched to the pass. I believe the Giants are trying to show early in the season that their passing game will beat you if you try to stack the box. The run game should get better once teams respect the pass. Hard to guess how long that will take, the schedule isn't packed with teams known for having great defenses. Philly is week 8, Oakland has good DBs that's week 5, so if the Giants can pass against the D's perhaps that will spread defenses out a bit.
 
don't know what all the controversy is about . . .

Hixon and Nicks are hurt, meanwhile Manningham has had two good games - assuming he keeps it up, they won't be removing him from the starting lineup . . .

people talk about Hicks, but he IS a rookie, and rookies struggle when healthy, and he's hurt - how is he going to supplant a non-rookie that's producing???

 
The Giants have always been partial to University of Michigan players and greatly appreciated the production they got out of Amani Toomer for so many years and are happy to have another great Michigan player on their roster.

 
This thread is not HELPFUL!

Manningham. No, Smith.

Smith is going to the slot. No, Manningham is going to the bench. No, Hixon is the starter. No, Super Mario.

No, it's Smith. No, it's Plaxico. No, Bavaro is coming back.

 
Jed said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Jed said:
jurb26 said:
Manningham is the best WR on the NYG roster and is easily the guy to own. Always was.
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Incredibly wrong. By week 8 he will be fighting for time.
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really? why? him and Eli seem to be clicking, as well as Eli to SSmith.Hixon hasnt impressed me and the rookie is well a rookie and both guys are hurt.
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I know the Giants - huge homer. They are salivating to get Nicks back and give him work. Hixon is nothing, I agree. Nicks is the real threat to Manningham. SS will be gold no matter what is going on around him.
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Wow...instant cred in my book :homer:
 
greenline said:
This thread is not HELPFUL! Manningham. No, Smith. Smith is going to the slot. No, Manningham is going to the bench. No, Hixon is the starter. No, Super Mario. No, it's Smith. No, it's Plaxico. No, Bavaro is coming back.
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what do you expect - we sit here and speculate - that's the fun of it - heck, even coaches probably don't know what is going to happen - the players help determine this through practice and game performance - stay tuned . . .
 
They both got the same amount of targets but Mario seems to be the new deep threat.
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Is Mario getting targeted deep? I didn't see the whole game but the targets I saw were predominantly quick hitters to Manningham that he took forward. Anyone have a break down of his targets by distance from the LOS?
 
baconisgood said:
They both got the same amount of targets but Mario seems to be the new deep threat.
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Is Mario getting targeted deep? I didn't see the whole game but the targets I saw were predominantly quick hitters to Manningham that he took forward. Anyone have a break down of his targets by distance from the LOS?
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I watched the whole game - most of the routes were 10-20 yards . . .
 
Both of Manningham's TDs have been fluky. He deserves credit for making the plays and for being in a position to benefit from flukes, but there's no way he keeps up this level of production. Smith's got a longer history of putting up good numbers and has a more established role. I would (and do) happily put Smith in my lineup each week. I'd have to think about nudging someone out of the way for Manningham, even though he has better numbers so far.

 
bostonfred said:
Both of Manningham's TDs have been fluky. He deserves credit for making the plays and for being in a position to benefit from flukes, but there's no way he keeps up this level of production. Smith's got a longer history of putting up good numbers and has a more established role. I would (and do) happily put Smith in my lineup each week. I'd have to think about nudging someone out of the way for Manningham, even though he has better numbers so far.
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Explain to me how either of his TDs were "fluky."Fluky = plays that no other WR in NYG could have made....
 
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bostonfred said:
Both of Manningham's TDs have been fluky. He deserves credit for making the plays and for being in a position to benefit from flukes, but there's no way he keeps up this level of production. Smith's got a longer history of putting up good numbers and has a more established role. I would (and do) happily put Smith in my lineup each week. I'd have to think about nudging someone out of the way for Manningham, even though he has better numbers so far.
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it's really not mutually exclusive . . .BOTH can be legitimate fantasy starters . . . I really don't know how a 10 catch, 15ypc game can be discounted . . .
 
jurb26 said:
bostonfred said:
Both of Manningham's TDs have been fluky. He deserves credit for making the plays and for being in a position to benefit from flukes, but there's no way he keeps up this level of production. Smith's got a longer history of putting up good numbers and has a more established role. I would (and do) happily put Smith in my lineup each week. I'd have to think about nudging someone out of the way for Manningham, even though he has better numbers so far.
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Explain to me how either of his TDs were "fluky."Fluky = plays that no other WR in NYG could have made....
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I'm not interested in explaining how they were fluky. It sounds like you saw them, and if you're not willing to concede that those were fluky plays, then we're really not on the same page at all here. I'm happy to give him the credit you're asking for, though. I mentioned above that he deserves credit for making good plays. It's just that the likelihood of those kinds of plays repeating isn't great, so his numbers look a little inflated to me right now.
 
bostonfred said:
jurb26 said:
bostonfred said:
Both of Manningham's TDs have been fluky. He deserves credit for making the plays and for being in a position to benefit from flukes, but there's no way he keeps up this level of production. Smith's got a longer history of putting up good numbers and has a more established role. I would (and do) happily put Smith in my lineup each week. I'd have to think about nudging someone out of the way for Manningham, even though he has better numbers so far.
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Explain to me how either of his TDs were "fluky."Fluky = plays that no other WR in NYG could have made....
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I'm not interested in explaining how they were fluky. It sounds like you saw them, and if you're not willing to concede that those were fluky plays, then we're really not on the same page at all here. I'm happy to give him the credit you're asking for, though. I mentioned above that he deserves credit for making good plays. It's just that the likelihood of those kinds of plays repeating isn't great, so his numbers look a little inflated to me right now.
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It's fluky that a guy can catch a pass, make 3 guys miss and tight rope the sideline for a TD? I guess agility, quick feet, tackle breaking ability and field awareness are not qualities that make a player excel, just fluky things that happen from time to time. :thumbdown: Manningham's TD last night was anything but fluky. He got aggressive single coverage press at the LOS, cleanly beat his man of the line and accelerated past him down field to cleanly beat him by 2 yds. So he bobbled the ball. Big deal. He showed more qualities that would seem positives in competing the play. Great coordination, concentration and a willingness to stick with the play. All the things that he did prior to bobbling the pass were not a fluke. Had he simply made a clean catch would we even be having this discussion right now? These are traits he has displayed in college and during his short time as a pro. He is an electric down field threat. I don't see how any of what we are seeing from him is fluky. It's just the kind of player he is.It seems you want to dismiss these things for some reason.
 
greenline said:
This thread is not HELPFUL! Manningham. No, Smith. Smith is going to the slot. No, Manningham is going to the bench. No, Hixon is the starter. No, Super Mario. No, it's Smith. No, it's Plaxico. No, Bavaro is coming back.
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:thumbdown: bottom line here people, play them if you have them until they plateau out, and they will.
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
greenline said:
This thread is not HELPFUL!

Manningham. No, Smith.

Smith is going to the slot. No, Manningham is going to the bench. No, Hixon is the starter. No, Super Mario.

No, it's Smith. No, it's Plaxico. No, Bavaro is coming back.
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:lmao: bottom line here people, play them if you have them until they plateau out, and they will.
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No kidding. For months the Shark Pool and other FF boards and G-men discussion groups have been debating this. I wish I had a dime for every time someone said Hixon/Smith is the clear #1, Mario/Nicks is the guy who has the most upside. Flat declarative statements like they just had dinner with Coughlin. The best part is 90% of the time you look in their sig and they're pimping their WR4.I'm flipping coins between Smith and Mario for my WR3 until A Gonzo gets healthy again. Thats as good a methodology as any for figuring out who the Giants go-to WR will be in 2009.

 
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