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Steve Smith vs Greg Jennings (1 Viewer)

Who has the better year? Non-PPR Redraft

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I am having a very hard time deciding who to rank higher between these two players who I project to have similar production. Jennings is in the better offense with the better QB, but Smith is arguably the best WR talent not named Moss or Megatron. So who would you take for this year, in a non-PPR redraft?

 
i love steve smith.

that being said they are about even, but i like jennings qb situation A LOT better.

i say jennings.

 
Only 14 games for Steve Smith. 1421 yards. I can see the playaction to Steve being extremely effective this season. The point was also made in Smith's spotlight thread that he was tackled inside the 5 several times in 2008. Actually, reading Chase's analysis in that thread will make you take Steve Smith over just about anyone.

I also don't like having QBs or WRs that play their fantasy playoffs in extreme cold weather climates. I'm going Steve Smith over Jennings here.

 
I don't think I've seen anyone rank Jennings higher. Probably fair based on SS's long history of production but their stats should be close. I've taken each over the other, given the choice, in different drafts.

 
I would start by posting this in the Assistant Coach forum, where questions about how to run your team belong.

 
I am in the same dilema although I prefer Jennings.

In the spots these two are being drafted (in a 10 or 12 team) you can also put Wayne, Colston, White, and Boldin in the same category. Might as well flip a coin.

 
Steve Smith is more talented.

Steve Smith is the main target on his team.

Steve Smith has a long pedigree.

Steve Smith is less reliant on TDs, which are generally unpredictable.

Steve Smith does not have good receivers emerging to encroach on his production.

Jennings is very good, but give me Smith all day.

 
bostonfred said:
Steve Smith is more talented. Probably right, but not that much more IMO

Steve Smith is the main target on his team. So is Jennings?

Steve Smith has a long pedigree. I would say that Jennings has now had a period of high production, but yes, SS has more notches in the belt.

Steve Smith is less reliant on TDs, which are generally unpredictable. Cant penalize a guy for TDs, partly a nose for the endzone, and partly because the GB offense is superior.

Steve Smith does not have good receivers emerging to encroach on his production. But he is on a run first team.

Jennings is very good, but give me Smith all day.
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I don't mean to be a jerk at all, I just think it's closer than people think.
 
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I went Jennings because while there is no doubt that SS is more talented and has more upside, until I see evidence that Delhomme can still get the ball downfield, I'm taking the safer bet.

 
massraider said:
Aaron RodgersJake DelhommeThat's how I make my decision.
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Terrible, terrible way to make a decision. Trent Edwards is a better QB, but Lee Evans is more valuable with J.P. Losman under center. Why? Because Losman is a poor man's Jake Delhomme. Jake Delhomme turns his WR1 into a fantasy GOD.When Delhomme and Muhammad played 16 games together in '04, Muhammad was the #1 WR in fantasy. When Delhomme and Smiff played 16 games together in '05, Smiff was the #1 WR in fantasy. In '06 and '08, Smiff finished 8th and 5th DESPITE ONLY PLAYING 14 GAMES. The only "bad" season of Smiff's career was '07... when Delhomme only played 3 games before going down for the season.In '06, '07, and '08 (the three years since Smiff has "fallen off"), in games where both Delhomme and Smiff have started, Smitty averages 98 yards receiving per game (actually a HIGHER average than he posted in that amazing '05 season). With Delhomme healthy last year, Smiff led the league in receiving yards per game.If Delhomme and Smith both stay healthy this year, Smiff will blow Greg Jennings out of the water. Hell, Smiff will blow almost everyone out of the water, finishing as a top 3 fantasy WR. Mark it down.
 
MCguidance said:
bostonfred said:
Steve Smith is more talented. Probably right, but not that much more IMO Hard to say how much of it's Rodgers and Favre, and how much is Jennings. Not hard to say with Steve Smith.

Steve Smith is the main target on his team. So is Jennings? No, Jennings is one of the main targets. But Driver is pretty close, averaging 80 receptions for over 1000 yards the last three seasons. Jennings had a better year last year, but it was mostly the TDs that put him over the top. And with an emerging red zone threat at TE, the fickleness of TDs comes into play in a big way.

Steve Smith has a long pedigree. I would say that Jennings has now had a period of high production, but yes, SS has more notches in the belt. His rookie season was unspectacular. His sophomore season he had 12 TDs but on just 53/920 receiving. Last year his yards and receptions went up, but his TDs dropped to 9. It seems like he's on track for a good career, but so did Braylon, who had almost the exact same number of receptions, yards, and TDs combined in years two and three as Jennings. And in year four, Braylon kind of slipped. We can talk about why you think Braylon dropped off, or why you think Jennings won't, but at the end of the day, Smith's track record is important to me in this conversation.

Steve Smith is less reliant on TDs, which are generally unpredictable. Cant penalize a guy for TDs, partly a nose for the endzone, and partly because the GB offense is superior. I'm not penalizing him for TDs, I'm penalizing him for getting fewer yards. I'd love to get lots of TDs from my receivers. But it's been shown in the past that TDs are far more variable than yards and receptions.

Steve Smith does not have good receivers emerging to encroach on his production. But he is on a run first team. Last year they ran as much as you could possibly expect, and of the six games where Smith failed to hit 100 yards, he got 96 in two of them. Run first, pass to Smith second has worked just fine for him.

Jennings is very good, but give me Smith all day.
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I don't mean to be a jerk at all, I just think it's closer than people think.
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I don't think you're being a jerk. This kind of conversation is the point of the thread.
 
bostonfred said:
MCguidance said:
bostonfred said:
Steve Smith is more talented. Probably right, but not that much more IMO Hard to say how much of it's Rodgers and Favre, and how much is Jennings. Not hard to say with Steve Smith.

Steve Smith is the main target on his team. So is Jennings? No, Jennings is one of the main targets. But Driver is pretty close, averaging 80 receptions for over 1000 yards the last three seasons. Jennings had a better year last year, but it was mostly the TDs that put him over the top. And with an emerging red zone threat at TE, the fickleness of TDs comes into play in a big way.

Steve Smith has a long pedigree. I would say that Jennings has now had a period of high production, but yes, SS has more notches in the belt. His rookie season was unspectacular. His sophomore season he had 12 TDs but on just 53/920 receiving. Last year his yards and receptions went up, but his TDs dropped to 9. It seems like he's on track for a good career, but so did Braylon, who had almost the exact same number of receptions, yards, and TDs combined in years two and three as Jennings. And in year four, Braylon kind of slipped. We can talk about why you think Braylon dropped off, or why you think Jennings won't, but at the end of the day, Smith's track record is important to me in this conversation.

Steve Smith is less reliant on TDs, which are generally unpredictable. Cant penalize a guy for TDs, partly a nose for the endzone, and partly because the GB offense is superior. I'm not penalizing him for TDs, I'm penalizing him for getting fewer yards. I'd love to get lots of TDs from my receivers. But it's been shown in the past that TDs are far more variable than yards and receptions.

Steve Smith does not have good receivers emerging to encroach on his production. But he is on a run first team. Last year they ran as much as you could possibly expect, and of the six games where Smith failed to hit 100 yards, he got 96 in two of them. Run first, pass to Smith second has worked just fine for him.

Jennings is very good, but give me Smith all day.
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I don't mean to be a jerk at all, I just think it's closer than people think.
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I don't think you're being a jerk. This kind of conversation is the point of the thread.
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I am too tired tonight to respond, will do so tomorrow after paving the driveway, lol. Thanks for this, gives me something to think about.
 
bostonfred said:
Steve Smith is more talented. Steve Smith is the main target on his team.Steve Smith has a long pedigree.Steve Smith is less reliant on TDs, which are generally unpredictable.Steve Smith does not have good receivers emerging to encroach on his production. Jennings is very good, but give me Smith all day.
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I'd take Jennings cuz I'm a homer & I think SS has reached his ceiling. I think Rodgers & Jennings will both improve on their 08 numbers.

 
adrenaline said:
I'd take Jennings cuz I'm a homer & I think SS has reached his ceiling. I think Rodgers & Jennings will both improve on their 08 numbers.
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You say that as if it's a bad thing. I don't think there's anything wrong with having a "ceiling" of 100 yards receiving a game.
 
SSOG said:
adrenaline said:
I'd take Jennings cuz I'm a homer & I think SS has reached his ceiling. I think Rodgers & Jennings will both improve on their 08 numbers.
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You say that as if it's a bad thing. I don't think there's anything wrong with having a "ceiling" of 100 yards receiving a game.
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Nothing wrong with that. Was pointed out those 100 yards a game are when Delhomme is QB. Another thing that would figure in my decision is in the last 3 seasons Delhomme has played 16 games once & SS 0. I wonder how many games they'll be together for this season?
 
adrenaline said:
SSOG said:
adrenaline said:
I'd take Jennings cuz I'm a homer & I think SS has reached his ceiling. I think Rodgers & Jennings will both improve on their 08 numbers.
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You say that as if it's a bad thing. I don't think there's anything wrong with having a "ceiling" of 100 yards receiving a game.
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Nothing wrong with that. Was pointed out those 100 yards a game are when Delhomme is QB. Another thing that would figure in my decision is in the last 3 seasons Delhomme has played 16 games once & SS 0. I wonder how many games they'll be together for this season?
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You are incorrect about Smith not playing 16 games in the last 3 years. The only reason Steve Smith missed any games in 2008 is because he was suspended the first two. Steve Smith missed no games in 2007, and he missed the first two games in 2006 due to hurting his hamstring in training camp. Carolinas D is already riddled with injuries and one main guy is out for the year, so I think Carolina will have to rely on their offense to keep them in games this year. I don't know if Carolina will have a good season, but I think Steve Smith will.
 
You can't argue with Smith's talent, but the Panthers have a superior running game, and Rodgers is a much better QB to begin with than Delhomme. Give me Jennings.

 
ScottyFargo said:
You can't argue with Smith's talent, but the Panthers have a superior running game, and Rodgers is a much better QB to begin with than Delhomme. Give me Jennings.
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Based on Carolina's suspect D and hard schedule this season, I think Carolina will be playing from behind a lot, so I don't think they will be able to control the clock like they did last year with their running game.
 
I think it comes down to what you feel comfortable with. Jennings might be better for consistency, Smith might have more big games.

I drafted Calvin over both (or even Roddy for that matter) but I'm still not sure that was the right move. Personally it's just not a comfortable feeling having a player on a bad team/offense.

 
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golfguy said:
i love steve smith.that being said they are about even, but i like jennings qb situation A LOT better.i say jennings.
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:goodposting: I was faced with this choice in both drafts that I had and both times I took Jennings. I have had Steve Smith in past years and have been completely happy with him and loved watching him play and rooting for him. That said, I think Rogers easily throws for 4000 yards this year and I'll take the clear #1 on the team that will do that.Still a HUGE Steve Smith fan but my gut says Jennings this year.
 
Faced in the 2nd round with both and Jennings was a very easy pick.

Jake is Terrible

Smith gets hurt alot, how many full seasons has he played

Smith is 30

Rodgers looks VERY good

Jennings going into prime of his carear

 
adrenaline said:
SSOG said:
adrenaline said:
I'd take Jennings cuz I'm a homer & I think SS has reached his ceiling. I think Rodgers & Jennings will both improve on their 08 numbers.
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You say that as if it's a bad thing. I don't think there's anything wrong with having a "ceiling" of 100 yards receiving a game.
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Nothing wrong with that. Was pointed out those 100 yards a game are when Delhomme is QB. Another thing that would figure in my decision is in the last 3 seasons Delhomme has played 16 games once & SS 0. I wonder how many games they'll be together for this season?
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Since he became a starter, Delhomme has played all 16 games 4 times in 6 years. He played 13 in a fifth year. The only substantial time he missed was when he only played 3 games in 2007... to a non-recurring, non-predictive injury that he's fully recovered from (as evidenced by the full 16 games last year). I'd say the chances of Jake Delhomme missing time are essentially exactly the same as the chances of Aaron Rodgers missing time.Steve Smith has missed three games in the last four years due to injury, for an average of less than one missed game a year (or, if you'd rather, Smiff has appeared in 95% of the games which he was eligible to play over the last 4 years). The only substantial time he's missed was when he only played 1 game in 2004... to a non-recurring, non-predictive injury that he's fully recovered from (as evidenced by playing 59 of the last 62 games and averaging 100 yards receiving a game). I'd say the chances of Smiff missing time are essentially exactly the same as the chances of Greg Jennings missing time.

So sure, I'll knock Smiff down a bit because of the chance either he or Delhomme misses time. Of course, it makes no difference, because I'll knock Jennings down an equal amount because of the EXACT SAME CHANCE that either he or Rodgers misses time. Jennings has missed more games over the last three years than Smiff has, and Rodgers only has a 1-season track record at QB (whereas Delhomme now has a 6-season track record of turning his #1 WR into a fantasy GOD).

I really, really, really don't understand all of the people shying away from Steve Smith because Delhomme is terrible. He's a terrible NFL QB because he is careless with the ball... AND BECAUSE HE LOCKS ON HIS #1 WR MORE THAN ANY OTHER QB IN THE LEAGUE. That's generally considered a massive, overwhelming positive when discussing the fate of said #1 WR. J.P. Losman is terrible, too, but Lee Evans owners pray every night before they go to sleep that J.P. somehow gets the start over the much better Trent Edwards. Aaron Rodgers is a great NFL QB... but for the sake of fantasy football, he's no Jake Delhomme.

 
Last year, 0 PPR: Smith 13 ppg, Jennings 11.4 ppg. 1 PPR, Smith 18.6, Jennings 16.4

It's probably close between the two, as I don't see Smith averaging 18.2 yards per catch this year. Smith has averaged 5.8 receptions, 87.4 yfs, and 0.5 TD per game over the past three seasons. That works out to 11.74 ppg 0 PPR and 17.5 ppg PPR.

 
I selected Jennings/Wayne at the 2/3 turn over Smith last night. I love watching the guy, but he always seems banged up and Delhomme's real sketchy. I know that's not very scientific, but I just have a better "vibe" about Jennings' situation.

 
chocolate bomber said:
I selected Jennings/Wayne at the 2/3 turn over Smith last night. I love watching the guy, but he always seems banged up and Delhomme's real sketchy. I know that's not very scientific, but I just have a better "vibe" about Jennings' situation.
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Smith rarely misses games because of injury. I'm surprised by these "injury" labels on him.
 
Jennings playoff schedule is a killer(all three games in potentially cold, windy, snowy stadiums)....I'd draft him over Smith, but I will be trading Jennings at the deadline.

Week 13 at the Tundra versus the Ravens

Week 14 in the Windy City against the Bears

Week 15 in the Steel City versus the Steelers

Week 16 at home in the Frozen Tundra versus the Seahawks

Odds of him putting up the big games(100 yards / 2 TD's) that are needed to win in the FF playoffs? Probably not that high...again, Jennings is the perfect candidate to sell around the deadline for a similar WR.

Smith has more talent than Jennings, hell, he pretty much is the best in the league "pound for pound", imo, but as others haver stated, Aaron Rodgers is a better QB than Delhomme and I don't see any of the bums the Packers have at RB stealing many TD's/yards this year.

 
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TitusIII said:
Jennings playoff schedule is a killer(all three games in potentially cold, windy, snowy stadiums)....I'd draft him over Smith, but I will be trading Jennings at the deadline.Week 13 at the Tundra versus the RavensWeek 14 in the Windy City against the BearsWeek 15 in the Steel City versus the SteelersWeek 16 at home in the Frozen Tundra versus the SeahawksOdds of him putting up the big games(100 yards / 2 TD's) that are needed to win in the FF playoffs? Probably not that high...again, Jennings is the perfect candidate to sell around the deadline for a similar WR.
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Pack threw for no less than 254 yards last year in each of the last 5 games. 3 at home, and one in Chicago.
 
SSOG said:
Aaron Rodgers is a great NFL QB... but for the sake of fantasy football, he's no Jake Delhomme.
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Taken out of context, that statement could be ridiculed... BUT, I completely agree with your assesment SSOG. Keep lightn' it up in this thread... Or, at least I hope your right considering I have Smith in my money league...
 
If this week shows me anything its just that situation is very important. The difference in QB situation is very apparent, Smith needs someone to get him the ball, whereas Rodgers has a better arm, is more accurate, and is just a better player.

I think these two will wind up close to even at the end, and Smith may be the better athlete, but Jennings seems to have that edge by being teamed up with a much better QB.

ETA: Kind of reminds me of SJax versus another top back. Sjax has all the talent in the world (injury history aside) but his situation leaves something to be desired. He will be a good option this year, but imagine if he was in a great offense? Like Smith, their teams hold them back.

 
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I love Jennings.

This is the 3rd season I've had him on a team.

He always comes through for me.

And I expect Rogers to be more consistent this year than Delhomme.

I vote Jennings.

 
Funny thing is, if not for that last catch...

Football a game of inches, next week could be a different story. Roddy and Smith will likely both light it up next week.

 
HoTnickZ said:
Funny thing is, if not for that last catch... Football a game of inches, next week could be a different story. Roddy and Smith will likely both light it up next week.
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Agree totally. I know that Smith put up impressive numbers with Moore back there, but I would much rather Rodgers and that GB offense right now. I do think Jennings gas a knack for that "one last catch" though.
 
MCguidance said:
HoTnickZ said:
Funny thing is, if not for that last catch... Football a game of inches, next week could be a different story. Roddy and Smith will likely both light it up next week.
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Agree totally. I know that Smith put up impressive numbers with Moore back there, but I would much rather Rodgers and that GB offense right now. I do think Jennings gas a knack for that "one last catch" though.
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Agree with this, this was my toughest decision on draft day and I went with Smith. The playoff schedule scared me away with Jennings and I thought the running game for Carolina would help mitigate the other factors on the Carolina offense. I'll be honest if Jennings didn't get that last catch I might have tried to flip Smith for Jennings. I still think it will be close though.
 
But I think that's the difference between Jennings and Smith at the moment. When the game is on the line and its 3rd and 1, what are the chances Carolina go for the big pass play or do would they just hand it off to D. Williams. The answer is obvious and that's because of their respective QB's.

 
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