He is a good receiver, but Seattle did a pretty good job in the playoffs against him last year? Probably one of the top 10 wr.. Wouldnt put him up there near holt, TO, C Johnson, Harrison, ....i am in shock. Clearly you guys that doubt Smith didn't watch all his games last year. Kid can NOT be stopped. He's tough, fast, great hands, runs great routes, and his QB LOVES him. He will be a top 2 or 3 WR for the next SEVERAL years. And this year, he'll actually have a decent #2 WR to keep from getting double and tripled teamed. Smith IS the real deal.
If he was ever going to get shut down from extra attention, it woulda been last year. Now, I think he's gonna have Key making short catches, extending drives, and Foster and Williams providing more of a running game.That dude carried that team into the playoffs last year. Still going to be top 5, for sure. #1? Well, that's a lot to ask from any receiver.I like WR's from good teams, if I had to guess, I'd say his TD's stay the same (or even improve slightly), and his catches decrease a bit.Well, playing devil's advocate...Last year, Carolina's #1 WR finished as the #1 WR in all of fantasy football.In 2004, Carolina's #1 WR finished as the #1 WR in all of fantasy football.Moose put up 1400 yards and 16 TDs. Steve Smith followed that up with 1500 yards and 12 TDs while Moose dropped to 750/4. I think a strong case could be made, at this point, that it's every bit as much Delhomme as it is Smith. If I grab Steve Smith, one of the primary reasons is because Delhomme has a habit of getting tunnel-vision and turning a WR into an absolute studmonster. Sort of like Jeff Blake, only much, much moreso.Personally, I knock Smith down a couple of notches because Meshawn's in town. I expect his numbers to slide closer to his 2003 numbers (albeit a bit better still), while Meshawn plays the role of 2003 Muhammad. Still, it's easy to argue that while there isn't a strong history of studliness from Smiff, there is a *HUGE* recent history of studliness from Carolina's #1 WR.
Seattle did take him out of the game, but they had to double and triple team him. Carolina had no running game at that point, so the offense was screwed anyway you look at it. That however has nothing to do with the fact Steve Smith dominated defenses via most of the season. I don't think anybody expects him to have the same numbers as last year since they have a legit wr #2 now, and the running game should be much better with DeShaun Foster healthy. Smith will still be looked upon as the big play guy, and he will get his catches. He shouldn't have to be the whole offense this year. I have no idea why you don't think he belongs in the tier with Holt, TO, C Johnson, and Harrison. He may not be on a throw first team, but he is an elite WR. He is good enough that opposing defenses have to game plan around him.He is a good receiver, but Seattle did a pretty good job in the playoffs against him last year? Probably one of the top 10 wr.. Wouldnt put him up there near holt, TO, C Johnson, Harrison, ....i am in shock. Clearly you guys that doubt Smith didn't watch all his games last year. Kid can NOT be stopped. He's tough, fast, great hands, runs great routes, and his QB LOVES him. He will be a top 2 or 3 WR for the next SEVERAL years. And this year, he'll actually have a decent #2 WR to keep from getting double and tripled teamed. Smith IS the real deal.
Seattle had a good game plan, they were obviously watching the bear game and saw smith run off outstanding numbers.. I agree he is one of the best, but if I were drafting (and with the addition of key and a health foster) I dont think I would take him above the other guys mentioned. He was the entire offense last year and things will change with a real wr #2 in the lineup.The thread talks about Smith being the #1 wr in football. My opinion, TO by far is the best receiver in football (if he would just stop talking). I would also take Holt over Smith and would think about Harrison and CJ before taking Smith also...Seattle did take him out of the game, but they had to double and triple team him. Carolina had no running game at that point, so the offense was screwed anyway you look at it. That however has nothing to do with the fact Steve Smith dominated defenses via most of the season. I don't think anybody expects him to have the same numbers as last year since they have a legit wr #2 now, and the running game should be much better with DeShaun Foster healthy. Smith will still be looked upon as the big play guy, and he will get his catches. He shouldn't have to be the whole offense this year. I have no idea why you don't think he belongs in the tier with Holt, TO, C Johnson, and Harrison. He may not be on a throw first team, but he is an elite WR. He is good enough that opposing defenses have to game plan around him.He is a good receiver, but Seattle did a pretty good job in the playoffs against him last year? Probably one of the top 10 wr.. Wouldnt put him up there near holt, TO, C Johnson, Harrison, ....i am in shock. Clearly you guys that doubt Smith didn't watch all his games last year. Kid can NOT be stopped. He's tough, fast, great hands, runs great routes, and his QB LOVES him. He will be a top 2 or 3 WR for the next SEVERAL years. And this year, he'll actually have a decent #2 WR to keep from getting double and tripled teamed. Smith IS the real deal.
You complain of him having no chance of finishing #1 overall and then list Chad Johnson as an option above him? Now THERE is a guy that has no chance of finishing #1 overall. He just doesn't have those big games that guys like Smith/TO have (he has less in his entire career than TO had in 7 games last year alone), he doesn't find the endzone enough, and when the guys around him are healthy he barely puts up the top numbers on his team.In the 14 games that Housh was healthy last year:CJ: 1250 yards, 7 TDsHoush: 1030 yards, 8 TDstell me your take, but i am tired of seeing steve smith number 1 on so many rankings....after one really good year....come on now, number 1 wideout overall...? I just don't see it....top ten, probably, top 5, maybe, top 1, not a chance...I will be extremely happy when I see people draft him over "85," Fitz and a few others...~thoughts....?
Exactly, it is not like I am going to throw myself off a bridge when Smith finishes as WR4 overall, because i picked him as the first WR off the board.So you are willing to concede that he has a shot at being a Top 5 WR but for some reason it is absolutely ridiculous for him to be considered WR #1. I don't really get the logic.
It's not going out on a limb to say that any player is not going to finish first at their position.Illogical thread.
Unless you draft him in Round 1, for production you could have got in Round 3.Exactly, it is not like I am going to throw myself off a bridge when Smith finishes as WR4 overall, because i picked him as the first WR off the board.So you are willing to concede that he has a shot at being a Top 5 WR but for some reason it is absolutely ridiculous for him to be considered WR #1. I don't really get the logic.
Something like 50% of draft picks wind up busting. If I get very high 3rd-round production out of a very late 1st-round pick, then I consider that pretty solid. It beats drafting Kevin Jones or Kevan Barlow or Deuce McAllister in the first, doesn't it?Also, to argue semantics... 5 WRs will be off the board by the end of the 2nd round, so if you finish as a top-5 WR, that's probably more accurately referred to as 2nd round production instead of 3rd round production.Unless you draft him in Round 1, for production you could have got in Round 3.Exactly, it is not like I am going to throw myself off a bridge when Smith finishes as WR4 overall, because i picked him as the first WR off the board.So you are willing to concede that he has a shot at being a Top 5 WR but for some reason it is absolutely ridiculous for him to be considered WR #1. I don't really get the logic.
Maybe you would, but if I drafting Steve smith in round 1 it is probably in PPR league where the top 5 WRs are going to finish in the top 15-20 in scoring and most likely are not available in round 3. You also a presuming a certain gap between WR1 and Wr 4 that may or not exist. If I draft WR1 and he finsihes WR4 overall, and I unhappy with my overall performance, more than likely, I have a problem somewhere else on my team.Unless you draft him in Round 1, for production you could have got in Round 3.Exactly, it is not like I am going to throw myself off a bridge when Smith finishes as WR4 overall, because i picked him as the first WR off the board.So you are willing to concede that he has a shot at being a Top 5 WR but for some reason it is absolutely ridiculous for him to be considered WR #1. I don't really get the logic.
To expand on this point...according to ADP, here were the top 12 picks in 2005.1. RB LaDainian Tomlinson, SD/102. RB Shaun Alexander, Sea/83. RB Priest Holmes, KC/54. RB Edgerrin James, Ind/85. QB Peyton Manning, Ind/86. RB Willis McGahee, Buf/97. RB Deuce McAllister, NO/108. RB Domanick Davis, Hou/39. RB Clinton Portis, Was/310. RB Jamal Lewis, Bal/311. RB Corey Dillon, NE/712. RB Kevin Jones, Det/3And here's what "round" they finished the year in, according to year-end VBD1. Tomlinson- 1st rounder (3rd overall)2. Alexander- 1st (1st overall)3. Holmes- 11th round (121st overall)4. James- 1st (5th overall)5. Manning- 3rd (34th overall)6. McGahee- 4th (38th overall)7. McAllister- total bust (293rd overall)8. Davis- 4th (45th overall)9. Portis- 1st (7th overall)10. JamLew- 8th (87 overall)11. Corey Dillon- 4th (43rd overall)12. Kevin Jones- 10th (120 overall)Steve Smith's current ADP is 12th overall. Last season, the #5 WR (Joey Galloway) finished 14th overall in terms of VBD. If you really think that Smith has a phenominal shot to finish in the top 5, then grabbing him at the #12 overall slot presents INCREDIBLE value- better than all but 4 of the top 12 picks last year (three of which were in the top 4).Something like 50% of draft picks wind up busting. If I get very high 3rd-round production out of a very late 1st-round pick, then I consider that pretty solid. It beats drafting Kevin Jones or Kevan Barlow or Deuce McAllister in the first, doesn't it?Also, to argue semantics... 5 WRs will be off the board by the end of the 2nd round, so if you finish as a top-5 WR, that's probably more accurately referred to as 2nd round production instead of 3rd round production.Unless you draft him in Round 1, for production you could have got in Round 3.Exactly, it is not like I am going to throw myself off a bridge when Smith finishes as WR4 overall, because i picked him as the first WR off the board.So you are willing to concede that he has a shot at being a Top 5 WR but for some reason it is absolutely ridiculous for him to be considered WR #1. I don't really get the logic.
I can't say I disagree. Torry Holt is my number one WR this year.In point per reception leagues, Torry Holt is the unquestioned number 1! Take a look at Steve Smiths monster stats last season compared to Torry Holts stats over the last 3 years!!!!!!!
Steve Smith
2005 Season:
- 150 targets
- 103 receptions
- 1563 yards receiving
- 12 tds
Torry Holt
2003, 2004, and 2005 Seasons:
- averaging 158.3 targets over last 3 seasons
- averaging 104.3 receptions over the last 3 seasons
- averaging 1466.3 yards over the last 3 seasons
- averaging 10 tds over the last 3 seasons
I will take Torry Holt all day over Smith! A lingering preseason hamstring injury could hinder Smith's production this year! Smith is also a marked man after what he did last year. Holt over Smith 2006!!!
What else are we supposed to go by?Holt is the #1 WR on a team with a QB that has proven capable of getting him the ball. Given Holt's track record of success, I think it's fair to expect another strong season from him.Why are we looking at Holt's numbers from the past?
When selecting a receiver #1 the goal is to determine who is "most likely" to finish the season #1. You don't want to blow this pick by getting cute and trying to find this years Steve Smith (who just may be Steve Smith). Holt has proven over the last three years that his production is worthy of #1 status and his floor appears to be higher than that of Smith. That being said, I drafted Smith as the #1 receiver in an earlier draft. He has a certain fire that you wish all of the ultra-talented "measurable" receivers possessed and the only thing that I see derailing his chances to land in the top three is injury.Holt over Smith 2006!!!
there's no such thingIn point per reception leagues, Torry Holt is the unquestioned number 1!
I'd argue that Carolina's running game was lackluster for the better part of last year. Not only that, I don't expect that to change much this year. Despite popular opinion, their offensive line just isn't that good. Panthers fans are quick to point out that they were down to their 3rd and 4th string RB's by the time they played Seattle in the playoffs, but that doesn't change the fact that their simply weren't any holes for Goings and company to run through. Their o-line was flat out DOMINATED by the Seahawks defense and I expect the same thing to happen to the Panthers this year anytime that they face a top 10 run defense. What that means is that Smith can expectly plenty of coverage like he faced against Seattle in the playoffs. It will be up to Keyshawn to make the defense pay for that kind of coverage scheme because I don't think their running game is up to the task.Seattle did take him out of the game, but they had to double and triple team him. Carolina had no running game at that point, so the offense was screwed anyway you look at it. That however has nothing to do with the fact Steve Smith dominated defenses via most of the season. I don't think anybody expects him to have the same numbers as last year since they have a legit wr #2 now, and the running game should be much better with DeShaun Foster healthy. Smith will still be looked upon as the big play guy, and he will get his catches. He shouldn't have to be the whole offense this year. I have no idea why you don't think he belongs in the tier with Holt, TO, C Johnson, and Harrison. He may not be on a throw first team, but he is an elite WR. He is good enough that opposing defenses have to game plan around him.He is a good receiver, but Seattle did a pretty good job in the playoffs against him last year? Probably one of the top 10 wr.. Wouldnt put him up there near holt, TO, C Johnson, Harrison, ....i am in shock. Clearly you guys that doubt Smith didn't watch all his games last year. Kid can NOT be stopped. He's tough, fast, great hands, runs great routes, and his QB LOVES him. He will be a top 2 or 3 WR for the next SEVERAL years. And this year, he'll actually have a decent #2 WR to keep from getting double and tripled teamed. Smith IS the real deal.
I think that will be much different with another threat on the opposite side (Meeshawn).He is a good receiver, but Seattle did a pretty good job in the playoffs against him last year? Probably one of the top 10 wr.. Wouldnt put him up there near holt, TO, C Johnson, Harrison, ....i am in shock. Clearly you guys that doubt Smith didn't watch all his games last year. Kid can NOT be stopped. He's tough, fast, great hands, runs great routes, and his QB LOVES him. He will be a top 2 or 3 WR for the next SEVERAL years. And this year, he'll actually have a decent #2 WR to keep from getting double and tripled teamed. Smith IS the real deal.
They lost the game and gave up 32 points.Steve Smith VS Green Bay2 catches for 12 yards. He was triple teamed. Why it took teams forever to figure this out is beyondme.
Steve Smith >> "85" and FitzI will be extremely happy when I see people draft him over "85," Fitz and a few others...
Steve Smith >> "85" and FitzI will be extremely happy when I see people draft him over "85," Fitz and a few others...
what does that have to do with anything?Carolina is flat out stupid if they continue to use him on special teams, no matter how much he loves doing it, and the rush he feels from 11 guys trying to rip his head off ...
well in my league we get points for return yards....not worth as much regular rec or rushing yards...but still its worth something....besides he's hurt already...why put him in that sort of situation?what does that have to do with anything?Carolina is flat out stupid if they continue to use him on special teams, no matter how much he loves doing it, and the rush he feels from 11 guys trying to rip his head off ...![]()
They had no running attack in that game to speak of.He is a great WRGo ahead pass on him...I would take him above everyone without thinking about it. He is in the same league as the WR's you mentioned. And after 2 more seasons you will agree. He is on the upswing in his career.He is a good receiver, but Seattle did a pretty good job in the playoffs against him last year? Probably one of the top 10 wr.. Wouldnt put him up there near holt, TO, C Johnson, Harrison, ....i am in shock. Clearly you guys that doubt Smith didn't watch all his games last year. Kid can NOT be stopped. He's tough, fast, great hands, runs great routes, and his QB LOVES him. He will be a top 2 or 3 WR for the next SEVERAL years. And this year, he'll actually have a decent #2 WR to keep from getting double and tripled teamed. Smith IS the real deal.
Whatever you say man.wow...my bad for just throwing some random comment out there to get people fired up about Steve smith....I feel the tension here, and whenever there is tension there is fear...I love it….Next time I will be sure to add in some more facts and the like before people start calling me names...so here goes... Steve smith only had one "great" year...and you are correct I guess, 2 "good" years...sorry semantics here are the problem, I should have used "great" or "amazing" instead of the word "good"....my bad.Smith himself lobbied night and day with Carolina and meshawn to get him to go there....smith knows teams will be all over him like white on rice this season and wants some breathing room....Smitty "was carted off after his injury - never a good sign - perhaps made worse by the fact that he has a history of hamstring strains on the left leg. Although recent reports suggest that this strain is minor, the concern with hamstring strains is that they can become chronic. Scar tissue in the muscle can lead to a decrease in flexibility. Chronic injury can mean decreased strength and power. Smith's athleticism is what makes him such a threat - a nagging hamstring injury could spell a problem for the Panthers." RotoWire.com 8/4Carolina is flat out stupid if they continue to use him on special teams, no matter how much he loves doing it, and the rush he feels from 11 guys trying to rip his head off ...especially with this bad hammy. he still wasn't practicing Friday....teams will continue to use bump and double, and cover 2 with a roll, or whatever they need to do to keep his little paws from touching the football...I am not saying this 5-9, 180lb, 43 inch vertical, 32 inch waist, size 9 1/2 cleat with 1/2 inch studs, with his papa smurf tattoo doesn't have talent, or isn't the top wideout even after the catch, as far as yards go, with 810 last year, he smoked everyone else even close....But even with all of that being said,just as Steve could be seen screaming on the sidelines, demanding the offense to get him the ball, versus Seattle in the playoffs, its only a matter of time before he implodes and starts acting like his new buddy meshawn, and then he will be sitting down watching old "I love Lucy" re-runs while changing diapers for real at some daycare near you... you asked for it and now you got it,Steve smith will NOT finish in the top 10 at the end of this year....~out
Bingo.If you saw a lot of Carolina games last year, it will be hard not to pick Smith as the overall #1 WR. Personally, I think TO might do better, but he's always a gamble.I think Holt/Harrison/etc. are safer bets, in the sense that their floor is higher. But I think their ceiling is lower, too.
very perceptive...thanx for sharingconsider:He is a good receiver, but Seattle did a pretty good job in the playoffs against him last year? Probably one of the top 10 wr.. Wouldnt put him up there near holt, TO, C Johnson, Harrison, ....i am in shock. Clearly you guys that doubt Smith didn't watch all his games last year. Kid can NOT be stopped. He's tough, fast, great hands, runs great routes, and his QB LOVES him. He will be a top 2 or 3 WR for the next SEVERAL years. And this year, he'll actually have a decent #2 WR to keep from getting double and tripled teamed. Smith IS the real deal.
Carolina still put up 32 points and beat Green Bay in that game. They could put all 11 guys on Smith and he would have 0 catches for 0 yards, but that doesn't make them any more likely to actually win the game which is what the coaches are actually trying to do. Putting 3 guys on Smith left only 8 for the rest of the field, which allowed Carolina to score more points than they averaged weekly against the teams not putting 3 guys on Smith.cr8f said:Steve Smith VS Green Bay2 catches for 12 yards. He was triple teamed. Why it took teams forever to figure this out is beyondme.
You must be a rookie around here. You forgot his rushing stats...500 yards, 5 TD.Raekwon said:If the Panthers got to play the Bears every week Steve Smith would finish the year with 5,200 yards and 40 TDs.![]()