Steven Jackson vs. DeAngelo vs. Ryan Mathews vs. Jamaal Charles (1 Viewer)

[Brady Gaga]

How are you ranking these guys? I think I've got 'em ranked like this...

1. Mathews - like his upside and the offense but was the Chargers' 31st ranked rushing attack all LT's fault?

2. DWill - love his talent and the Panthers run game but Jonathan Stewart can't be ignored.

3. SJax - the Rams could finally play with some hope for the future under Bradford and that could boost Jackson. The back should be better after surgery.

4. Charles - maybe the highest ceiling of this group but also the lowest floor.

....but I keep waffling.

Anyone with a strong opinion that would put one of these guys way ahead of the rest of the pack?

TIA

 

[shnikies]

How are you ranking these guys? I think I've got 'em ranked like this...1. Mathews - like his upside and the offense but was the Chargers' 31st ranked rushing attack all LT's fault?2. DWill - love his talent and the Panthers run game but Jonathan Stewart can't be ignored.3. SJax - the Rams could finally play with some hope for the future under Bradford and that could boost Jackson. The back should be better after surgery.4. Charles - maybe the highest ceiling of this group but also the lowes floor.....but I keep waffling.Anyone with a strong opinion that would put one of these guys way ahead of the rest of the pack?TIA

Based on what you said about Steven Jackson he should clearly be ahead of all of those guys. I think it's Jackson, Williams, Mathews, Charles.Jackson is the only 3-down back on the list.

 

[bucsbaby]

Charles--Awesome schedule, not a believer in Jones

SJax--Beast, and good schedule

<dropoff>

Deangelo--Not a believer in the Car Off

<dropoff>

Matthews--Not a believer in the SD Off

 

[Brady Gaga]

How are you ranking these guys? I think I've got 'em ranked like this...1. Mathews - like his upside and the offense but was the Chargers' 31st ranked rushing attack all LT's fault?2. DWill - love his talent and the Panthers run game but Jonathan Stewart can't be ignored.3. SJax - the Rams could finally play with some hope for the future under Bradford and that could boost Jackson. The back should be better after surgery.4. Charles - maybe the highest ceiling of this group but also the lowes floor.....but I keep waffling.Anyone with a strong opinion that would put one of these guys way ahead of the rest of the pack?TIA

Based on what you said about Steven Jackson he should clearly be ahead of all of those guys. I think it's Jackson, Williams, Mathews, Charles.Jackson is the only 3-down back on the list.

And do you think his back could really be better now than what he had to play thru the last 2 years. I do think the team will rally around Bradford.

 

[shnikies]

How are you ranking these guys? I think I've got 'em ranked like this...1. Mathews - like his upside and the offense but was the Chargers' 31st ranked rushing attack all LT's fault?2. DWill - love his talent and the Panthers run game but Jonathan Stewart can't be ignored.3. SJax - the Rams could finally play with some hope for the future under Bradford and that could boost Jackson. The back should be better after surgery.4. Charles - maybe the highest ceiling of this group but also the lowes floor.....but I keep waffling.Anyone with a strong opinion that would put one of these guys way ahead of the rest of the pack?TIA

Based on what you said about Steven Jackson he should clearly be ahead of all of those guys. I think it's Jackson, Williams, Mathews, Charles.Jackson is the only 3-down back on the list.

And do you think his back could really be better now than what he had to play thru the last 2 years. I do think the team will rally around Bradford.

If his back hasn't gotten better (which it probably has) and he repeats the yardage he had last year plus gets double digit touchdowns would it be that bad of a floor?

 

[Brady Gaga]

Charles--Awesome schedule, not a believer in JonesSJax--Beast, and good schedule<dropoff>Deangelo--Not a believer in the Car Off<dropoff>Matthews--Not a believer in the SD Off

I was all set to draft Charles a few weeks ago but then I cooled off b/c of probably reading too many threads on him and too many arguments against him. It is hard to totally ignore Thomas Jones and McCluster and the action they will both steal from Charles. And his shoulder/elbow?Also, what's not to like about the Chargers offense? Rivers is an elite QB and Floyd/Naanee are enough to compensate for the loss of VJax. Dombrowsky looks like he is filling in fine for McNeill.

 

[Brady Gaga]

SJax's yards from last year plus double digit scores probably = top 5 numbers.

 

[Angus82]

Jackson, Charles, Mathews, DWill.

Jackson is a beast.

Charles is the #1 on an improving offense.

Mathews is the #1 on a team with a weak line.

DWill will share carries and have a bad QB situation.

 

[Brady Gaga]

Is Matt Moore really that much worse than Delhomme? Delhomme was awful last year. FWIW, Steve Smith has been very complimentary of Moore.

 

[bulger2holt]

SJax

The rest

 

[Arizona Ron]

I'd rather see SJax have good games on someone else's team than me worry about when (not if) he's going to be injured.

 

[shnikies]

I'd rather see SJax have good games on someone else's team than me worry about when (not if) he's going to be injured.

At some point in a draft you have to be willing to take him though. Are you saying you'd rather have the other 3 guys on the OP's list? Don't forget this is the NFL, every running back is an injury risk on every carry. These guys are big and fast and hit very hard. The injury risk is negligible from one guy to the next. Deangelo got injured last year and I'm pretty sure Mathews has never played more than 13 games in a year so there's no way of knowing how he'll handle the NFL season.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I like SJAX a lot this year. I also love Charles. I honestly believe that Charles can end up being the overall leader among running backs. The man is simply amazing with the ball. I grabbed him early in every league that I could.

 

[shnikies]

I like SJAX a lot this year. I also love Charles. I honestly believe that Charles can end up being the overall leader among running backs. The man is simply amazing with the ball. I grabbed him early in every league that I could.

You're crazy, I like you, but you're crazy, man.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I like SJAX a lot this year. I also love Charles. I honestly believe that Charles can end up being the overall leader among running backs. The man is simply amazing with the ball. I grabbed him early in every league that I could.

You're crazy, I like you, but you're crazy, man.

I just may be. All I know is.... I grabbed the guy last year... and outside of Chris Johnson, he outscored every running back in the league after he became starter. Chris Johnson and Charles remind me of each other... A LOT....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRDJg6cW5lc

 

[Brady Gaga]

I like SJAX a lot this year. I also love Charles. I honestly believe that Charles can end up being the overall leader among running backs. The man is simply amazing with the ball. I grabbed him early in every league that I could.

You're crazy, I like you, but you're crazy, man.

I just may be. All I know is.... I grabbed the guy last year... and outside of Chris Johnson, he outscored every running back in the league after he became starter. Chris Johnson and Charles remind me of each other... A LOT....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRDJg6cW5lc

Jamaal Charles is a home run hitter like Chirs Johnson and taking him over these other guys is like swinging for the fences. My league gives extra bonuses for long distance TDs so he is really tempting.

 

[footballnerd]

Jackson, Charles, Mathews, DWill.Jackson is a beast.Charles is the #1 on an improving offense.Mathews is the #1 on a team with a weak line.DWill will share carries and have a bad QB situation.

Is Charles the #1?

 

[Clifton]

I like SJAX a lot this year. I also love Charles. I honestly believe that Charles can end up being the overall leader among running backs. The man is simply amazing with the ball. I grabbed him early in every league that I could.

Have a nice season guy.Charles is a flash in the pan. Maybe be productive this year but don;t count on a top 5 season. His ceiling is the highest? Really DeAngelo is the man. If Stewart goes down or Fox decides he's going to lean on DWill. Look out...we're going to see some ungodly numbers. Jackson is going to be dealing with a rookie. He's talented as hell but we've been seeing the same thing now for years. If you're happy with 120 all purpose yards with no TDs then he's your guy. Seriously, what are people waiting for? He's been doing the same thing forever.

 

[Brady Gaga]

I like SJAX a lot this year. I also love Charles. I honestly believe that Charles can end up being the overall leader among running backs. The man is simply amazing with the ball. I grabbed him early in every league that I could.

Have a nice season guy.Charles is a flash in the pan. Maybe be productive this year but don;t count on a top 5 season. His ceiling is the highest? Really DeAngelo is the man. If Stewart goes down or Fox decides he's going to lean on DWill. Look out...we're going to see some ungodly numbers. Jackson is going to be dealing with a rookie. He's talented as hell but we've been seeing the same thing now for years. If you're happy with 120 all purpose yards with no TDs then he's your guy. Seriously, what are people waiting for? He's been doing the same thing forever.

So you have DWill and Mathews ahead of SJax/Charles?

 

[Sweetness_34]

Yes Bradford looked good against NE in preseason. But you are kidding yourselves if you think he will do much in the regular season this year. He will see blitzes he has never seen....and he has ZERO WRs or TEs that are a match up problem for any NFL D. SJax is not going to do any better than the last 2 years, and in fact, I think he does worse as teams again gun for him all game; and the tread on those tires is adding up fast being the only target worth going after on that team.

 

[Lombaowski]

Yes Bradford looked good against NE in preseason. But you are kidding yourselves if you think he will do much in the regular season this year. He will see blitzes he has never seen....and he has ZERO WRs or TEs that are a match up problem for any NFL D. SJax is not going to do any better than the last 2 years, and in fact, I think he does worse as teams again gun for him all game; and the tread on those tires is adding up fast being the only target worth going after on that team.

 

[Clifton]

I like SJAX a lot this year. I also love Charles. I honestly believe that Charles can end up being the overall leader among running backs. The man is simply amazing with the ball. I grabbed him early in every league that I could.

Have a nice season guy.Charles is a flash in the pan. Maybe be productive this year but don;t count on a top 5 season. His ceiling is the highest? Really :( DeAngelo is the man. If Stewart goes down or Fox decides he's going to lean on DWill. Look out...we're going to see some ungodly numbers. Jackson is going to be dealing with a rookie. He's talented as hell but we've been seeing the same thing now for years. If you're happy with 120 all purpose yards with no TDs then he's your guy. Seriously, what are people waiting for? He's been doing the same thing forever.

So you have DWill and Mathews ahead of SJax/Charles?

Didn't speak on Matthews but I'd be willing to bet Williams gets more points in a standard scoring system this year.

 

[shnikies]

I like SJAX a lot this year. I also love Charles. I honestly believe that Charles can end up being the overall leader among running backs. The man is simply amazing with the ball. I grabbed him early in every league that I could.

Have a nice season guy.Charles is a flash in the pan. Maybe be productive this year but don;t count on a top 5 season. His ceiling is the highest? Really DeAngelo is the man. If Stewart goes down or Fox decides he's going to lean on DWill. Look out...we're going to see some ungodly numbers. Jackson is going to be dealing with a rookie. He's talented as hell but we've been seeing the same thing now for years. If you're happy with 120 all purpose yards with no TDs then he's your guy. Seriously, what are people waiting for? He's been doing the same thing forever.

So you have DWill and Mathews ahead of SJax/Charles?

Didn't speak on Matthews but I'd be willing to bet Williams gets more points in a standard scoring system this year.

Deangelo could definitely end up being the better play than Jackson but I think it's a bad bet. If we're talking percentages, it's small, like 55%/45% but why give away the edge? You make the point that Jackson is dealing with a rookie but ignore the fact Williams has Matt Moore. You assume Stewart is going to be injured? What are you people waiting for? He finished 3rd overall in fantasy in 2006 and has finished as a top 15 running back since while missing a third of every season. Frank Gore is in the same boat, are you passing on him also? I'd like to be in your league.

 

[spm3485]

Most ranks have em': Sjax, Dwill, Mathews Charles...I only have one switch:

1. Sjax: dudes a beast, especially in PPR and is a value at the 1 rd turnaround if ppl let him fall.

2. Mathews..I just think this is a great situation, I like him better than Dwill because Sproles is little threat compared to Stewart. I think he gets drafted ahead of Dwill next year.

3. Dwill

4. Charles. Jones is not there to sit on the sidelines all game. Jones will do well.

 

[metoo]

Most ranks have em': Sjax, Dwill, Mathews Charles...I only have one switch:

1. Sjax: dudes a beast, especially in PPR and is a value at the 1 rd turnaround if ppl let him fall.

2. Mathews..I just think this is a great situation, I like him better than Dwill because Sproles is little threat compared to Stewart. I think he gets drafted ahead of Dwill next year.

3. Dwill

4. Charles. Jones is not there to sit on the sidelines all game. Jones will do well.

I don't see it. Jones will look like Larry Johnson behind that line.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I like SJAX a lot this year. I also love Charles. I honestly believe that Charles can end up being the overall leader among running backs. The man is simply amazing with the ball. I grabbed him early in every league that I could.

Have a nice season guy.Charles is a flash in the pan. Maybe be productive this year but don;t count on a top 5 season. His ceiling is the highest? Really DeAngelo is the man. If Stewart goes down or Fox decides he's going to lean on DWill. Look out...we're going to see some ungodly numbers. Jackson is going to be dealing with a rookie. He's talented as hell but we've been seeing the same thing now for years. If you're happy with 120 all purpose yards with no TDs then he's your guy. Seriously, what are people waiting for? He's been doing the same thing forever.

It isn't as if I don't have a back-up plan. I am in 3 money leagues... In my 12 team league I have MJD, SJax, Best, and Foster as my running backs. In one of my 10 team leagues I have Chris Johnson, Jamaal Charles, Shonn Greene, Arian Foster and Clinton Portis. My third draft is tomorrow. It is a keeper league in which you are allowed to keep any player that you drafted from the 4th round on the previous year. I am keeping Jamaal Charles. I also have first pick in that draft and plan on drafting Chris Johnson there as well. All 3 of these leagues are PPR leagues. I actually passed on DWill in both of my other leagues already in favor of Jackson in one and Charles/Greene (2.10-3.01) in the other. I know that Williams is talented... but it's obvious that we are looking at a pot luck situation between him and Stewart as long as both of them play.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

SJax's yards from last year plus double digit scores probably = top 5 numbers.

Sjax has had double digit scores twice in his 6 seasons in the NFL...probability=not high.

 

[Clifton]

I like SJAX a lot this year. I also love Charles. I honestly believe that Charles can end up being the overall leader among running backs. The man is simply amazing with the ball. I grabbed him early in every league that I could.

Have a nice season guy.Charles is a flash in the pan. Maybe be productive this year but don;t count on a top 5 season.

His ceiling is the highest? Really DeAngelo is the man. If Stewart goes down or Fox decides he's going to lean on DWill. Look out...we're going to see some ungodly numbers.

Jackson is going to be dealing with a rookie. He's talented as hell but we've been seeing the same thing now for years. If you're happy with 120 all purpose yards with no TDs then he's your guy. Seriously, what are people waiting for? He's been doing the same thing forever.

So you have DWill and Mathews ahead of SJax/Charles?

Didn't speak on Matthews but I'd be willing to bet Williams gets more points in a standard scoring system this year.

Deangelo could definitely end up being the better play than Jackson but I think it's a bad bet. If we're talking percentages, it's small, like 55%/45% but why give away the edge? You make the point that Jackson is dealing with a rookie but ignore the fact Williams has Matt Moore. You assume Stewart is going to be injured? What are you people waiting for? He finished 3rd overall in fantasy in 2006 and has finished as a top 15 running back since while missing a third of every season. Frank Gore is in the same boat, are you passing on him also? I'd like to be in your league.

I'll keep you in mind. Anyhow, I was talking about Matthews not Jackson.

 

[shnikies]

SJax's yards from last year plus double digit scores probably = top 5 numbers.

Sjax has had double digit scores twice in his 6 seasons in the NFL...probability=not high.

He's had two double digit scores in 5 seasons he's started and two of those seasons he played 12 games. Plus, the person meant if he got double digit scores he would probably be a top 5 rb.

 

[Brady Gaga]

Idk but after reading all the replies and thinking about this more...

1. Mathews - can't resist the unknown upside

2. Jackson - fear the wear n tear but like potential for a nice season

3. Charles - upside awesome but don't trust Haley with RBBC

4. Deangelo - just see him and JStew probably both staying healthy all year and an even split

Something about taking a rookie RB on a team that's gonna be scoring a lot of TDs is just too appealing to pass on for me.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

SJax's yards from last year plus double digit scores probably = top 5 numbers.

Sjax has had double digit scores twice in his 6 seasons in the NFL...probability=not high.

He's had two double digit in 5 season he's started and two of those seasons he played 12 games. Plus, the person meant if he got double digit scores he would probably be a top 5 rb.

I'm just stating how it is very unlikely. Also playing only 12 games....that happens often for Sjax or at least not playing at full strength. Some backs get injured more than others....Sjax's running style leads to him banged up more than others.

 

[shnikies]

SJax's yards from last year plus double digit scores probably = top 5 numbers.

Sjax has had double digit scores twice in his 6 seasons in the NFL...probability=not high.

He's had two double digit in 5 season he's started and two of those seasons he played 12 games. Plus, the person meant if he got double digit scores he would probably be a top 5 rb.

I'm just stating how it is very unlikely. Also playing only 12 games....that happens often for Sjax or at least not playing at full strength. Some backs get injured more than others....Sjax's running style leads to him banged up more than others.

40% is "very unlikely", even with the injuries included? He didn't have back surgery for fun, it was to correct a problem.

 

[Brady Gaga]

SJax's yards from last year plus double digit scores probably = top 5 numbers.

Sjax has had double digit scores twice in his 6 seasons in the NFL...probability=not high.

He's had two double digit in 5 season he's started and two of those seasons he played 12 games. Plus, the person meant if he got double digit scores he would probably be a top 5 rb.

I'm just stating how it is very unlikely. Also playing only 12 games....that happens often for Sjax or at least not playing at full strength. Some backs get injured more than others....Sjax's running style leads to him banged up more than others.

That is a valid concern. Other guys like DWill, Charles, Best, Spiller seem to have a faster/shiftier style that doesn't absorb the kind of pounding and collisions that guys like SJax, Mathews, Benson, Grant will take.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

SJax's yards from last year plus double digit scores probably = top 5 numbers.

Sjax has had double digit scores twice in his 6 seasons in the NFL...probability=not high.

He's had two double digit in 5 season he's started and two of those seasons he played 12 games. Plus, the person meant if he got double digit scores he would probably be a top 5 rb.

I'm just stating how it is very unlikely. Also playing only 12 games....that happens often for Sjax or at least not playing at full strength. Some backs get injured more than others....Sjax's running style leads to him banged up more than others.

40% is "very unlikely", even with the injuries included? He didn't have back surgery for fun, it was to correct a problem.

U may think it's more likely.... I've been on the Sjax train for long enough. I traded Sjax straight up for Deangelo in the offseason....we shall see.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

Is Matt Moore really that much worse than Delhomme? Delhomme was awful last year. FWIW, Steve Smith has been very complimentary of Moore.

Nothing could be worst than Delhomme last year. This is why I bump Williams up quite a bit. Williams lost a lot of opportunities due to Jakes insane turnover rate. The offense settled in once Moore became starter and a lot of that time Williams didn't have the opportunity to take advantage of it due to his injury.

 

[two_dollars]

1) DWill - contract year, I'm betting they lean on him and save Stewart who they will be retaining, DWill they will not.

2) Charles - He's very similar to Chris Johnson, and Jones is done. Jones had a bad YPC behind the best OLine last year.

3) SJax - Great talent, but it's still the rams. The nagging injuries are building. Still not going to find double digit TDs.

4) Matthews - Runs like a freight train.. not good for longevity.. rookie wall possible? SD has a bad OLine to boot.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

I like SJAX a lot this year. I also love Charles. I honestly believe that Charles can end up being the overall leader among running backs. The man is simply amazing with the ball. I grabbed him early in every league that I could.

Have a nice season guy.Charles is a flash in the pan. Maybe be productive this year but don;t count on a top 5 season. His ceiling is the highest? Really DeAngelo is the man. If Stewart goes down or Fox decides he's going to lean on DWill. Look out...we're going to see some ungodly numbers. Jackson is going to be dealing with a rookie. He's talented as hell but we've been seeing the same thing now for years. If you're happy with 120 all purpose yards with no TDs then he's your guy. Seriously, what are people waiting for? He's been doing the same thing forever.

So you have DWill and Mathews ahead of SJax/Charles?

Didn't speak on Matthews but I'd be willing to bet Williams gets more points in a standard scoring system this year.

Deangelo could definitely end up being the better play than Jackson but I think it's a bad bet. If we're talking percentages, it's small, like 55%/45% but why give away the edge? You make the point that Jackson is dealing with a rookie but ignore the fact Williams has Matt Moore. You assume Stewart is going to be injured? What are you people waiting for? He finished 3rd overall in fantasy in 2006 and has finished as a top 15 running back since while missing a third of every season. Frank Gore is in the same boat, are you passing on him also? I'd like to be in your league.

The two seasons DeAngelo got substantial carries he blew Jackson's production out of the water. If you pro rate Williams season he smoked Jackson in standard scoring. Now you take into consideration that Williams did that with a QB who gave the ball away every 4 offensive series and two of his starting OL injured it becomes clear. Jackson's OL got worse and Carolinas OL is among the best run blocking teams in football. When Williams was in the line up he got 60% of the carries and considering how much Carolina runs you can expect 275 carries. Now DeAngelo breaks a run of 20+ every 22 carries and when he breaks for that 20 yards 45% of them go for 50+ yards. I'm not sure what the td% is for the 20+ yards but I assume it's pretty damn good.You just don't get that from Jackson.

 

[shortbow]

A lot of love for a third down back in this thread.

SJax/DWill (i dont think carolina will hold on to deangelo)

Mathews

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Charles

 

[spm3485]

A lot of love for a third down back in this thread.SJax/DWill (i dont think carolina will hold on to deangelo)Mathews------Charles

Agreed.

 

[ace_spaid]

you guys are crazy.....Remember the guy that was pumped up last year just lik Charles is this year? and people argued all the same things....what was his name? O ya thats right Chris Johnson. heard the same shat last year when i drafted CJ2K early....this year im all in on Charles

 

[jurb26]

D. Williams

Charles

Jackson

Mathews

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

you guys are crazy.....Remember the guy that was pumped up last year just lik Charles is this year? and people argued all the same things....what was his name? O ya thats right Chris Johnson. heard the same shat last year when i drafted CJ2K early....this year im all in on Charles

Exactly what I have been saying. I have Chris Johnson AND Jamaal Charles in two money leagues this year. I couldn't be happier.

 

[ace_spaid]

and btw....mathews will be at the bottom of the list and Charles at the top.

Charles

Jax

D Will

Mathews

if you have watch LT in preseaon clearly he has something left so i blame mostly on there O line and now they are without there LT....i want NO PART....Norv Turner cant run the rock

 

[shortbow]

you guys are crazy.....Remember the guy that was pumped up last year just lik Charles is this year? and people argued all the same things....what was his name? O ya thats right Chris Johnson. heard the same shat last year when i drafted CJ2K early....this year im all in on Charles

Im sorry, did Chris Johnson have to split carries with a back better than he is, who is also starting over him? CJ2K will be hard pressed to put up similar numbers again this year now that defenses have had time to prepare for it plus the sheer volume of work he had last year in addition to what he expects himself to do this year.Forgot to mention how the chiefs are half as good as the titans (being generous on this one).

 

[cvnpoka]

saying tj is better than jc is pretty c level trolling. tho it will proly work well otb given what phil accomplished.

 

[shortbow]

saying tj is better than jc is pretty c level trolling. tho it will proly work well otb given what phil accomplished.

Your right, I should have stressed that personally I think that Thomas Jones deserves to be their starter this year and I understand the other side of the argument. But to me comparing him to CJ2K is completely ######ed. Its not even close.To be more on topic, if I had to pick one of these 4 backs to do best I would pick DeAngelo, then Sjax, Charles and Mathews are pretty much on the same level for me, much lower down the list of potential backs.

 

[CB31]

SJax

DWill

Mathews

Charles

 

[Abrantes]

The two seasons DeAngelo got substantial carries he blew Jackson's production out of the water. If you pro rate Williams season he smoked Jackson in standard scoring. Now you take into consideration that Williams did that with a QB who gave the ball away every 4 offensive series and two of his starting OL injured it becomes clear. Jackson's OL got worse and Carolinas OL is among the best run blocking teams in football. When Williams was in the line up he got 60% of the carries and considering how much Carolina runs you can expect 275 carries. Now DeAngelo breaks a run of 20+ every 22 carries and when he breaks for that 20 yards 45% of them go for 50+ yards. I'm not sure what the td% is for the 20+ yards but I assume it's pretty damn good.

You just don't get that from Jackson.

You make good points, but I'm not sure where you're getting the bolded from. Similar arguments can be made for Jackson regarding improvement in QB play (Bulger/Boller/Null really were that bad) and the OL. While Delhomme was busy killing drives in Carolina, Alex Barron and Richie Incognito were doing the same on the Rams' OL with consistent, mind-numbing penalties. They're both gone now, and the OL is seemingly coming together better than most expect.

 

[Go deep]

saying tj is better than jc is pretty c level trolling. tho it will proly work well otb given what phil accomplished.

Your right, I should have stressed that personally I think that Thomas Jones deserves to be their starter this year and I understand the other side of the argument. But to me comparing him to CJ2K is completely ######ed. Its not even close.

To be more on topic, if I had to pick one of these 4 backs to do best I would pick DeAngelo, then Sjax, Charles and Mathews are pretty much on the same level for me, much lower down the list of potential backs.

Really, i thought it was a pretty good analogy. Charles averaged 6 TPc last year, TJones averaged 4 YPC behind the best OLine in the league. This preseason has been more of the same, Charles over 6 YPC, TJones under 4. I think people assume TJones is better than he is due to where he played last year and how many carries he got.

What is it about Charles that people dont like? The only complaints i hear are similar to the ones i heard about CJ last year. Charles is going to win alot of people championships this year with how late he is sliding in drafts.

 

[bigflig]

DWILL IS IN A CONTRACT YEAR.

FINISHED 13TH LAST YEAR AND WAS HURT.

STEWART CAN BE SAVED FOR NEXT YEAR.

THE CAROLINA OFFENSE KNOWS HOW TO RUN THE BALL.