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If I were interested in building a position, I'd love a day like today. Maybe consolidate isn't the right word.
It's done this every day since last Wednesday.   Up, some profit taking, steady price for awhile, up a tad, steady some more, up a tad at close.  There's a lot of money being poured into this by people expecting a much higher price IMO 

 
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If I were interested in building a position, I'd love a day like today. Maybe consolidate isn't the right word.
Yeah, it seems like very healthy moves. Not day traders really. Have to guess some smart folks are buying. Not sure how they average in but seems like they just buy at the open then support it. I got spooked with the whole NP paying suppliers out of pocket thing. Am tailing a bit now but the recent run-up seems almost predicated on COVID which I'm less optimistic about. Obviously, positive news could lead to a pop and for a company this small, even if they don't make a huge 'profit' on COVID, it would move the needle more than a GILD.

 
I'm long as well but when it went up 20% in one day I took profits. Now I'm looking crazy.
I’m hoping to hold long term for pretty much everything. I’ve only got 3 short term things, CYDY, OPES and FMCI. Waiting for trials, up listing and changeovers, but the rest are hopefully well up years from now.

If I didn’t have that real long term look then I could have seen jumping out of FSLY. I’m just holding tight even though I’m sure it will be down 10% or 20% or more as the roller coaster continues. Hard to ride that out but you don’t want to miss two days like this week and miss out on a 20-30% gain.

Also, you aren’t alone. I sold a bunch of my TTD at $234 because I had way too much of it. I kept a bunch so not mad but SMH for selling some while it was going up. Should have seen where it ran and then sold off some over 400 like it is now. I also had a chance at the end of May to buy back those shares at a higher price (270). I didn’t unfortunately, probably thinking I might get it back to where I sold it.

 
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Fidelity wants a $50 foreign trade fee.  First time I've ever seen this.
I think you've got the wrong symbol.

"It will trade on the New York Stock Exchange under the tickers PSTH for its shares and PSTH.WS for its warrants."

 
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Ouch. I can’t believe it’s almost $80. I’m planning to hold it for years but I really hope I can look back at it like I was buying Amazon at $9. No, I don’t think it will be a trillion dollar company just one of those 10x+ multi baggers. It’s already a 367% gainer for me across 2 buys.

Oh, it’s at $80 now in the time it took me to type this.
What makes FSLY special? 

 
Just sold my first batch (4% of shares owned) of BLMN for a small profit.  Wanted some cash to buy back in if it drops.

 
What makes FSLY special? 
Here’s an article that helps and the other article it sort of references:

https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/06/16/fastly-could-be-the-biggest-winner-from-shopifys-d.aspx?source=eptyholnk0000202&utm_source=yahoo-host&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=article&yptr=yahoo

https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/06/15/why-fastly-stock-jumped-today.aspx

I'm still bullish on the future but it has run up a ton this year, way more than I expected, so do your due diligence and decide where you would want to jump in, if at all. 

 
FMCI briefly dropped 9% during an uninspiring video conference with company officials. Feeling some deja vu here. :lol:  
Lol. I saw that article and the timing of the downturn today and thought the exact same thing. F the damn conference calls unless it’s unleashing something great.

Also, seems like all the SPACs (that haven’t changed over) are having down days.

 
Lol. I saw that article and the timing of the downturn today and thought the exact same thing. F the damn conference calls unless it’s unleashing something great.

Also, seems like all the SPACs (that haven’t changed over) are having down days.
Giving me tanker flashbacks to some extent.  Momentum for the sector seems to be dying down a bit.  Hopefully unlike the tankers it's just a blip.

 
Why dividend producing now? Is there just not the growth potential in stock prices?  

I don't mind a dividend in a good value stock, but I've generally not sought the dividend.
Well, not really. If the market is going to go sideways for a while, you want to try to find a return besides the stock price growth. So dividends are good for that type of market (or really, any market). There are really two types of dividend companies, growth and high yield. In general, the dividend growth companies ("dividend aristocrats") are very solid, long term companies that should survive most market turbulence. Even if KO cuts their dividend because of Covid, the company isn't going anywhere and it's stock price should generally stay solid. 

High yield dividend companies are generally more distressed, either by industry or their books or whatever. They pay a high dividend to entice more shareholders to hold them. But there is a much greater chance of their dividends going to zero, or the stock price going to zero or bankruptcy or whatever. You have to be very careful and on top of things if you own those companies. Think about the oil tankers. 

My worry in such a Fed dominated, low income environment is that less sophisticated investors will chase yield and end up getting badly burned. Would love to be wrong. 

 
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Giving me tanker flashbacks to some extent.  Momentum for the sector seems to be dying down a bit.  Hopefully unlike the tankers it's just a blip.
Yeah, I’m hoping this is just an indication that they overheated a little. Seems pretty uncommon for a SPAC to hit $20 before officially acquiring its target company, so a pullback seems justified. Wouldn’t surprise me if they just chopped around in this area until the tickers change.

 
Well, not really. If the market is going to go sideways for a while, you want to try to find a return besides the stock price growth. So dividends are good for that type of market (or really, any market). There are really two types of dividend companies, growth and high yield. In general, the dividend growth companies ("dividend aristocrats") are very solid, long term companies that should survive most market turbulence. Even if KO cuts their dividend because of Covid, the company isn't going anywhere and it's stock price should generally stay solid. 

High yield dividend companies are generally more distressed, either by industry or their books or whatever. They pay a high dividend to entice more shareholders to hold them. But there is a much greater chance of their dividends going to zero, or the stock price going to zero or bankruptcy or whatever. You have to be very careful and on top of things if you own those companies. Think about the oil tankers. 

My worry in such a Fed dominated, low income environment is that less sophisticated investors will chase yield and end up getting badly burned. Would love to be wrong. 
I know many people like the dividend aristocrats. I definitely see the value when you're in retirement. It could make sense in this environment. 

 
Portnoy tweets that he is buying $SHIP just because of the ticker name and it immediately shoots up 50%.

Degenerate gambler playing the stock market with 1.5 million degenerate gambler followers tailing him makes a pretty nice recipe for some quick flip trades.

I now have his tweets set to give me an audio alert on every device I own (phone, PC, laptop, tablet, etc).

 
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Portnoy tweets that he is buying $SHIP just because of the ticker name and it immediately shoots up 50%.

Degenerate gambler playing the stock market with 1.5 million degenerate gambler followers tailing him makes a pretty nice recipe for some quick flip trades.

I now have his tweets set to give me an audio alert on every device I own (phone, PC, laptop, tablet, etc).
Seems illegal if he benefits in any way.

Or it should be anyway

 
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Portnoy tweets that he is buying $SHIP just because of the ticker name and it immediately shoots up 50%.

Degenerate gambler playing the stock market with 1.5 million degenerate gambler followers tailing him makes a pretty nice recipe for some quick flip trades.

I now have his tweets set to give me an audio alert on every device I own (phone, PC, laptop, tablet, etc).
Tell him to do TNK next, tia.

 
Seems illegal if he benefits in any way.

Or it should be anyway
Another example of regulations not being up with the times. I mean, I give him some credit since he is more transparent about what he does than 90% of HFs who go on CNBC, pimp a stock they bought last week and then watch it go up 10%+. I do think disclosures need to be enhanced for all of this. I.e. should have to disclose any ownership stakes in companies you pump. But if the herd is dumb enough to follow you, what are you going to do? Legislate out stupidity?

 
Seems illegal if he benefits in any way
Just like the RH stuff. Social media has made a big difference. You could argue that he didn’t do anything but tell his friends what he is buying. He didn’t disclose that he heard of some secret. The problem is that as an influencer he does benefit from making a purchase and then disclosing it.

 
Anybody adding DKNG here at just under $39?  Seems to be trading in a range (last 10 days or so) and it's near the bottom of that range.  Also, it's under the SMA20, SMA50, and SMA200 averages on the 10D chart - last time it looked like this it was up 10% the following day (PS, I know nothing about technical analysis :lol: )

 
Seems illegal if he benefits in any way.

Or it should be anyway


Another example of regulations not being up with the times. I mean, I give him some credit since he is more transparent about what he does than 90% of HFs who go on CNBC, pimp a stock they bought last week and then watch it go up 10%+. I do think disclosures need to be enhanced for all of this. I.e. should have to disclose any ownership stakes in companies you pump. But if the herd is dumb enough to follow you, what are you going to do? Legislate out stupidity?
In this case I doubt it would matter.

Dude says it's a great stock to buy, mentions he just bought a #### ton, others will still follow his lead.  In FF it's like hyping a player, of course you already have him in your leagues if you think highly of the potential.

It's not like portnoy is pretending to be a fiduciary.

 
. The problem is that as an influencer he does benefit from making a purchase and then disclosing it.
Sure, but how do you stop that from happening?  Many people followed Buffett, once they heard he made a move. The key difference like you said, is social media and the speed this stuff moves. 

It's not all that different than motley fool or other sites, except they might be accredited or something. 

I don't even blame the guy, but damn it would be nice to have that kind of influence. It's like todem or chet, on a much larger level.

 
SHIP :lmao:

Portnoy has a great hustle going, could be the greatest penny stock flipper in the world. He can make $5-$10mm a day for at least 6 months until his ship sinks. I'd be all over that #### too if I could. Another donkey separated from their dollar, can't blame him. 

 
Yeah on Portnoy I am not a fan of the guy but as others have said I don't see how what he is doing is any different than what TV analysts are doing when constantly reading off stocks they bought, etc.

And it's definitely nowhere NEAR as bad as the chat room guys that throw up ads on FB to attract new investors to their room where they buy a low float stock, let their followers pump it up, and then dump it on the very people that were paying them for guidance.  If THOSE people aren't getting into it with the SEC for that, no way Portnoy should.  At least he is upfront that he's just trading and doing so with crappy companies that he knows little about.

 
Sure, but how do you stop that from happening?  Many people followed Buffett, once they heard he made a move. The key difference like you said, is social media and the speed this stuff moves. 

It's not all that different than motley fool or other sites, except they might be accredited or something. 

I don't even blame the guy, but damn it would be nice to have that kind of influence. It's like todem or chet, on a much larger level.
I don’t know if you can. I likened it to telling your friends with no insider info. He absolutely knows that he’s buying and then telling and making money, but he’s not an insider. He just has a lot of friends.

I think it will stop at some point because influencers and the initial friends will do fine and the rest of the buyers will lose. At some point the schmucks will leave and the initial friends will end up as the bag holder and not listen.

He’s day trading so he’s not investing in good companies where the market cap is increasing and everyone makes out so eventually it will go back to the levels before he buys so just money from others going to the early friends.

 
In this case I doubt it would matter.

Dude says it's a great stock to buy, mentions he just bought a #### ton, others will still follow his lead.  In FF it's like hyping a player, of course you already have him in your leagues if you think highly of the potential.

It's not like portnoy is pretending to be a fiduciary.
You're right, it probably wouldn't have an impact at first. But longer-term, it could. I mean with his following, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. But if things go sideways, a lot of folks will be bagholding his ####. I'm just all for greater disclosure and transparency. I think if folks realized that he's making hundreds of thousands off them, they may not be as happy. Or maybe they are just dumb. 

I do think his comments on PENN, especially when he first started, seemed to be in more of a grey area. 

 
Yeah on Portnoy I am not a fan of the guy but as others have said I don't see how what he is doing is any different than what TV analysts are doing when constantly reading off stocks they bought, etc.

And it's definitely nowhere NEAR as bad as the chat room guys that throw up ads on FB to attract new investors to their room where they buy a low float stock, let their followers pump it up, and then dump it on the very people that were paying them for guidance.  If THOSE people aren't getting into it with the SEC for that, no way Portnoy should.  At least he is upfront that he's just trading and doing so with crappy companies that he knows little about.
I don't know if any of you are in the choose FI and fatFIRE FB groups or follow the podcast, but this has been a major annoyance there lately. The groups are rooted in the broad based index fund / JL Collins school of investing. These guys come in, talk about this one hot stock, hoping to get some hype going. I'm sure they do it elsewhere but I don't follow many other financial groups. 

I don't particularly mind if people use their own platforms, there's some envy for sure, but it's a free country. Just don't use others groups for stuff that doesn't belong.

 
You're right, it probably wouldn't have an impact at first. But longer-term, it could. I mean with his following, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. But if things go sideways, a lot of folks will be bagholding his ####. I'm just all for greater disclosure and transparency. I think if folks realized that he's making hundreds of thousands off them, they may not be as happy. Or maybe they are just dumb. 

I do think his comments on PENN, especially when he first started, seemed to be in more of a grey area. 
That's how you fight it if you want to. 

But good luck getting near the same publicity by "outing" his scheme.

 
That's how you fight it if you want to. 

But good luck getting near the same publicity by "outing" his scheme.
I mean I think if you were forced to disclose stocks you talk about when you buy and sell, that would help. I worked at a bank and I couldn't even buy any of the stocks that anyone on my team covered nor if the bank was involved with anything with them. Then you have the wild, wild west on social media. 

It would probably lead to less investors talking specific stocks. Oh well, in my experience, they only talk specific stocks to benefit themselves anyways. Probably a pipe dream but just seems like a major inequity in the market. I suppose I shouldn't care that much since I'm not dealing in the stocks he talks about. But then folks will come crying to the Fed or complain about Wall Street that it's rigged. 

 
You're 100% right that the sportsbooks are a tiny fraction of the total income for casinos. The market is also similar to weed in that it's very fragmented with completely different regulations for each state. Hell, right now there's only one company approved in Oregon to offer mobile sports betting. 

And now it's up 7% since I bought my puts 🤦‍♂️
I ended up shorting some more. Almost top-ticked it, for now at least. While puts obviously went down, the b/e on the near-dated stuff wasn't even that great so figured I'll just short at $37.20. Is a casino stock that doesn't even own it own properties going to get back to ATH in the middle of a pandemic when it was closed for the past 2 months?

 
I mean I think if you were forced to disclose stocks you talk about when you buy and sell, that would help. I worked at a bank and I couldn't even buy any of the stocks that anyone on my team covered nor if the bank was involved with anything with them. Then you have the wild, wild west on social media. 

It would probably lead to less investors talking specific stocks. Oh well, in my experience, they only talk specific stocks to benefit themselves anyways. Probably a pipe dream but just seems like a major inequity in the market. I suppose I shouldn't care that much since I'm not dealing in the stocks he talks about. But then folks will come crying to the Fed or complain about Wall Street that it's rigged. 
I think the only way to prevent it would be to prohibit selling a stock within 30 days or whatever of when you discuss it publicly. 

 
I know many people like the dividend aristocrats. I definitely see the value when you're in retirement. It could make sense in this environment. 
That's kind of what I've been doing in my Roth, which is the one retirement account I've done any trading in.  Over the past month, I've added holdings of XOM (7.4%), T (7.1%), PM (6.6%), PFE (4.3%), KHC (4.9%), JPM (3.6%), and PEO (7%).  Not all "aristocrats", but it's partly TODEM's thinking of if we trade pretty much sideways for the next 6-12 months, then you're at least getting some yield.  Now some of those dividends could be cut or suspended - I own TAP which suspended their 2020 dividends back on May 22nd. And of course I have some CYDY and a few other more speculative plays.

 

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