Stock Watch: pre-season Week 1 (1 Viewer)

[Shutout]

After one set of games, who's up and who's down?

Who ya got?

Bull:

Jamaal Charles- looks like he might be a god in ppr

"Nuk" Hopkins-looks ready

Dez Bryant-may God have mercy on the NFC east.

Bear:

Sjax- was he just disinterested or something else?

Jets-every last one of them

Hedge:

Ball or hillman or Moreno?

Penny stock:

Preston Parker anyone?

 

[ghostguy123]

It's hilarious that week 1of preseason would change the stock of anyone, but I guess it does for some folks out there.

Take advantage if you can people.

 

[Shutout]

So I guess another thread with 300+ posts on it talking about observations, who looks great, who looks bad, etc isn't enough to make you think people watch pre-season to get a thought on players?

I must have imagined the 100 or so times I have seen people mention how they picked up Alfred Morris last year based on following him in pre season.

 

[massraider]

It's hilarious that week 1of preseason would change the stock of anyone, but I guess it does for some folks out there.

Take advantage if you can people.

Hey, Kembrell got a bunch of looks with the Patriot starters and capitalized. Should that not raise his stock a bit? If he drops three next week, should it not go down a bit?

No one is saying to overreact.

 

[Hoosier16]

It's hilarious that week 1of preseason would change the stock of anyone, but I guess it does for some folks out there.

Take advantage if you can people.

Every year, someone makes a dumb comment like this in one of these threads, leaving players like Cruz for the rest of us. Thanks for sitting on the sidelines.

Larod Stephens-Howling - Up - It looks like he may play a Sproles like role for Pittsburgh this year.

 

[Man of Zen]

It's hilarious that week 1of preseason would change the stock of anyone, but I guess it does for some folks out there.

Take advantage if you can people.

Every year, someone makes a dumb comment like this in one of these threads, leaving players like Cruz for the rest of us. Thanks for sitting on the sidelines.

Larod Stephens-Howling - Up - It looks like he may play a Sproles like role for Pittsburgh this year.

I feel like I'd place a hold on that order if I had a draft next week, given the starter didn't play. Like to see how they use everyone in the actual backfield before I up anyone in that scenario.

 

[Hoosier16]

It's hilarious that week 1of preseason would change the stock of anyone, but I guess it does for some folks out there.

Take advantage if you can people.

Every year, someone makes a dumb comment like this in one of these threads, leaving players like Cruz for the rest of us. Thanks for sitting on the sidelines.

Larod Stephens-Howling - Up - It looks like he may play a Sproles like role for Pittsburgh this year.

I feel like I'd place a hold on that order if I had a draft next week, given the starter didn't play. Like to see how they use everyone in the actual backfield before I up anyone in that scenario.

I'm not saying he'll replace Bell, but it was a surprise that he was the 2nd RB in the game and stayed in for a 3rd and 1 play.

 

[Man of Zen]

It's hilarious that week 1of preseason would change the stock of anyone, but I guess it does for some folks out there.

Take advantage if you can people.

Every year, someone makes a dumb comment like this in one of these threads, leaving players like Cruz for the rest of us. Thanks for sitting on the sidelines.

Larod Stephens-Howling - Up - It looks like he may play a Sproles like role for Pittsburgh this year.

I feel like I'd place a hold on that order if I had a draft next week, given the starter didn't play. Like to see how they use everyone in the actual backfield before I up anyone in that scenario.

I'm not saying he'll replace Bell, but it was a surprise that he was the 2nd RB in the game and stayed in for a 3rd and 1 play.

I dig what you're saying. It's just that with all the chitter chatter out of Pittsburgh about Bell being a 3-down back, anticipating a Sprolesian role for anybody seems a risky affair.

I get that this thread is about looking for possibilities, but I assume it's also for rational discussion of them.

 

[Man of Zen]

Like I don't even know if Blount is expected to make the Pats' roster.

But any more games like that one, not hundred yard affairs against terrible defense, but games where he gashes the D at least as well as Ridley does, and I think he enters the discussion for handcuffing in the endgame.

I think right now the prevailing wisdom is that if anything happens to Ridley, Vereen becomes a monster. But if they decide they can maintain the whole thunder/lightning thing by getting Blount up to speed and letting him become the backup 2-down and GL back, I think it might slightly ding Vereen's value by limiting his upside.

Right now, I'm calling the whole thing a watch. I don't feel he's a value player unto himself, but he may have effect on other players' values. I'd be much more interested in shelling out for a late 2nd/early 3rd on Ridley if I thought I could get a handcuff in the 16th instead of having to worry about reaching on Vereen.

 

[Man of Zen]

I've also got to confess that my own personal stock on T.Y. Hilton went from, "Wow, this guy's way too overpriced for a #3 WR," to, "You know, there may just be something to this..."

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

I agree LSH will play a big role in Pittsburgh. He offers something so other back on that roster does -- speed.

Not sure if that'll really come to anything worth owning in fantasy. Always possible I guess if Heath Miller isn't healthy soon.

 

[Phenix]

Fantasy is like a stock, value of players change everyday.

While it is Week 1, why do they play it? Yes to get in shape, but to see what they have. If someone looks slow does that mean he will stink? No, but it helps us evaluate, and thats what we are here for.

 

[Phenix]

Like I don't even know if Blount is expected to make the Pats' roster.

But any more games like that one, not hundred yard affairs against terrible defense, but games where he gashes the D at least as well as Ridley does, and I think he enters the discussion for handcuffing in the endgame.

I think right now the prevailing wisdom is that if anything happens to Ridley, Vereen becomes a monster. But if they decide they can maintain the whole thunder/lightning thing by getting Blount up to speed and letting him become the backup 2-down and GL back, I think it might slightly ding Vereen's value by limiting his upside.

Right now, I'm calling the whole thing a watch. I don't feel he's a value player unto himself, but he may have effect on other players' values. I'd be much more interested in shelling out for a late 2nd/early 3rd on Ridley if I thought I could get a handcuff in the 16th instead of having to worry about reaching on Vereen.

Now this is where we start getting out of control, Blount hurting Vereens value because of a zigzag run in a game against the horrid Eagles defensive #2s and 3s in Week 1 of preseason. Ha!

While he may have increased his value, he hardly hurt Vereens. Because while Blount had a nice run, Vereen was busy making diving TD catches.

You can be on the Blount bandwagon, but take it down a notch.

 

[Man of Zen]

Like I don't even know if Blount is expected to make the Pats' roster.

But any more games like that one, not hundred yard affairs against terrible defense, but games where he gashes the D at least as well as Ridley does, and I think he enters the discussion for handcuffing in the endgame.

I think right now the prevailing wisdom is that if anything happens to Ridley, Vereen becomes a monster. But if they decide they can maintain the whole thunder/lightning thing by getting Blount up to speed and letting him become the backup 2-down and GL back, I think it might slightly ding Vereen's value by limiting his upside.

Right now, I'm calling the whole thing a watch. I don't feel he's a value player unto himself, but he may have effect on other players' values. I'd be much more interested in shelling out for a late 2nd/early 3rd on Ridley if I thought I could get a handcuff in the 16th instead of having to worry about reaching on Vereen.

Now this is where we start getting out of control, Blount hurting Vereens value because of a zigzag run in a game against the horrid Eagles defensive #2s and 3s in Week 1 of preseason. Ha!

While he may have increased his value, he hardly hurt Vereens. Because while Blount had a nice run, Vereen was busy making diving TD catches.

You can be on the Blount bandwagon, but take it down a notch.

I've got to assume you didn't read the post.

 

[J Giles Band]

Now this is where we start getting out of control, Blount hurting Vereens value because of a zigzag run in a game against the horrid Eagles defensive #2s and 3s in Week 1 of preseason. Ha!

While he may have increased his value, he hardly hurt Vereens. Because while Blount had a nice run, Vereen was busy making diving TD catches.

You can be on the Blount bandwagon, but take it down a notch.

Coming from Phenix... this made me laugh.

 

[jurb26]

Bull:

C. Paterson - not sure he could have had a more impressive debute.

A. Smith - he looked very comfortable in Reid's offense.

Bear:

T. Austin - he was a massive disappointment. Couldn't separate from a LB in single coverage.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

It's hilarious that week 1of preseason would change the stock of anyone, but I guess it does for some folks out there.

Take advantage if you can people.

Hilarious? It's hilarious that you don't pay attention to preseason. Preseason can give immense insight on players. <<<< Notice I didn't say it "absolutely" gives insight, but at times it certainly does. I actually believe watching preseason sets me apart from the pack in many ways. After 20 years of doing this hobby, I have developed the skill of reading between the preseason lines. Don't worry, guppy, you'll get there soon. Keep working at it.

 

[Clifford]

Lol @ ghostguy. Really making a name for himself.

 

[Phenix]

Now this is where we start getting out of control, Blount hurting Vereens value because of a zigzag run in a game against the horrid Eagles defensive #2s and 3s in Week 1 of preseason. Ha!

While he may have increased his value, he hardly hurt Vereens. Because while Blount had a nice run, Vereen was busy making diving TD catches.

You can be on the Blount bandwagon, but take it down a notch.

Coming from Phenix... this made me laugh.

This made me laugh that u didnt realize I was talking about his love for Blount. So comical, whens your first show at the Apollo?

 

[Saint]

It's hilarious that week 1of preseason would change the stock of anyone, but I guess it does for some folks out there.

Take advantage if you can people.

Hey, Kembrell got a bunch of looks with the Patriot starters and capitalized. Should that not raise his stock a bit? If he drops three next week, should it not go down a bit?

No one is saying to overreact.

Kembrell just went 11.08 in a 12-team redraft....

Dobson not drafted yet....

 

[AngryPatriot]

Interesting stuff, I have hope for LS-H too. In larger dynasty leagues the pre-emptive strike can pay off (as in any league of course- but roster size helps). I snagged Morris and Cruz in 2 leagues with early and strong waiver bids, glad I did.

There's the preseason revelation, the injury bug caused revelation, the "the starter stinks" -backup is a better player revelation. Preseason game 1 gets it rolling but it's awfully early. The nuggets aren't as visible yet. There were some good performances to file, and then to look for any patterns of success in games 2 and 3.

It's such a constantly fluid situation, especially at RB, that it's worth paying attention to, crucial in dynasty.

 

[J Giles Band]

Now this is where we start getting out of control, Blount hurting Vereens value because of a zigzag run in a game against the horrid Eagles defensive #2s and 3s in Week 1 of preseason. Ha!

While he may have increased his value, he hardly hurt Vereens. Because while Blount had a nice run, Vereen was busy making diving TD catches.

You can be on the Blount bandwagon, but take it down a notch.

Coming from Phenix... this made me laugh.

This made me laugh that u didnt realize I was talking about his love for Blount. So comical, whens your first show at the Apollo?

My man, you have the self awareness of a Labrador. Not surprisingly, you're the one who didn't realize my response had nothing to do with Blount. Had you actually taken the time to look, you would have realized I was responding to the bolded part of your reply... you telling anyone to take it down a notch is high comedy.

 

[whoDATT]

Up:

-Kenbrell Thompkins

-Dez Bryant

-DeSean Jackson

-Julius Thomas

-Stevan Ridley

-Cordarrelle Patterson

Down:

-Kind of difficult to really knock anybody because the sample sizes are so small and somewhat meaningless, but Aaron Dobson didn't look very good to me. Didn't seem very relaxed out there and for all the talk about him never dropping passes he dropped two that day and let every catch Bounce off his chest. It was, however, his first NFL game... so it's hard to read into it very much.

-Steven Jackson didn't exactly wow anybody.. but I wouldn't be overly concerned yet.

 

[pantherclub]

Ballard moving way up as is Bryce brown

 

[Shutout]

It's really interested to see the thoughts on LSH. I thought he looked good too but tempered it because Bell wasnt playing but I'm liking the thoughts on him as that guy that has the one quality that none of the others has.. Good point.

 

[Man of Zen]

Anyway, what I like about Vereen: he's versatile and multi-talented, and is in a situation where the coach and QB clearly aren't going to shy away from using the non-wr's in the passing game.

What I tentatively still want to like about him: that he goes straight to the top of the draft lists in terms of #2 RB's because not only does he get tons of action already, and not only would he be a juggernaut if Ridley goes down, but there's also the looming possibility that Ridley coughs the ball up three times in the first couple weeks and spends the rest of his life in the doghouse. I see his leash as shorter than most RB1's.

What makes me consider possibly putting him down there with the Danny Woodheads of the world: the chance that somebody may emerge as a more viable replacement for Ridley's specific skills in the event of trouble.

That's not to say Woodhead sucks. He should be owned in every league, just like Vereen should. I just think it's worth seeing the potential for things to work out in the preseason such that Vereen's doubly-good chances of emerging as a workhorse have a chance of being hamstrung. So that maybe if I'm in position to decide between him and D. Richardson, say, I might lean the other way.

 

[Phenix]

I know this isn't sexy, but Geno Smith in Dynos. That team does not look how it will opening day right now. Ivory is taking the time to recover, lets hold our breath, and Geno is going to start. Everyone saw that pass that Sanchise threw at Ziggy, right? Please, they suffer no worse by going with Geno. He is mobile and had good pocket awareness and a strong arm from what I saw. He will be an interception Queen, but when this team gets some WRs and Clowney, next year you wish you would've bought Geno. He will make many plays happen, he may not be liked, but I think he is talented and will be given every chance to prove it, Idzik is stubborn.

Who though Wilson would succeed? He did have Lynch and a Defense, maybe Ivory can be half of Lynch if healthy to help Geno, and thats not half bad.

 

[PhantomJB]

I'm encouraged by a number of WR's and TE's that seem quite cheap at the moment but all could have nice situations.

WR

C. Givens (STL) (a sleeper no more)

E. Sanders (PIT) (this may turn into a 1A-1B situation with A. Brown)

M. Floyd (AZ) (Palmer could throw 800 times this year)

G. Little (CLE) (helped by Weeden's good QB play and J.Gordon's knucklehead-ness)

Hold: T.Austin (STL)

TE

C. Fleener (especially with Allen out)

F. Davis

T. Eifert (with Hawkins out and lots of 2 TE sets in first couple series he ticks up in my book)

D. Keller (seems to have decent early rapport with Tannehill)

 

[Chaka]

Like I don't even know if Blount is expected to make the Pats' roster.

But any more games like that one, not hundred yard affairs against terrible defense, but games where he gashes the D at least as well as Ridley does, and I think he enters the discussion for handcuffing in the endgame.

I think right now the prevailing wisdom is that if anything happens to Ridley, Vereen becomes a monster. But if they decide they can maintain the whole thunder/lightning thing by getting Blount up to speed and letting him become the backup 2-down and GL back, I think it might slightly ding Vereen's value by limiting his upside.

Right now, I'm calling the whole thing a watch. I don't feel he's a value player unto himself, but he may have effect on other players' values. I'd be much more interested in shelling out for a late 2nd/early 3rd on Ridley if I thought I could get a handcuff in the 16th instead of having to worry about reaching on Vereen.

Now this is where we start getting out of control, Blount hurting Vereens value because of a zigzag run in a game against the horrid Eagles defensive #2s and 3s in Week 1 of preseason. Ha!

While he may have increased his value, he hardly hurt Vereens. Because while Blount had a nice run, Vereen was busy making diving TD catches.

You can be on the Blount bandwagon, but take it down a notch.

I am not confident that Vereen is the next man up if something happens to Ridley. Vereen seems locked in to the Danny Woodhead/Kevin Faulk role, which is very valuable to the team (if not to fantasy players) and I am not certain that would change if something happened to Ridley. I would not be surprised to see Bolden or Blount assume the 1st, 2nd rushing and short yardage role if something happens to Ridley.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Surprised that nobody has mentioned C Michael yet. Also very clear that D Hopkins, at a minimum, has talent that translates well to the NFL. For folks who were already on the bandwagon, this weekend just provided more ammo. For those who weren't paying attention beforehand, they should start to now.

 

[Young 8]

It's hilarious that week 1of preseason would change the stock of anyone, but I guess it does for some folks out there.

Take advantage if you can people.

Hilarious? It's hilarious that you don't pay attention to preseason. Preseason can give immense insight on players. <<<< Notice I didn't say it "absolutely" gives insight, but at times it certainly does. I actually believe watching preseason sets me apart from the pack in many ways. After 20 years of doing this hobby, I have developed the skill of reading between the preseason lines. Don't worry, guppy, you'll get there soon. Keep working at it.

lol

 

[silentcoach]

Ty Hilton will be great if he ends up starting (I know sounds odd, but it's true).

Bradford will have a lot more pass attempts than last year--i do not see a 3 down back there.

 

[massraider]

Ty Hilton will be great if he ends up starting (I know sounds odd, but it's true).

Bradford will have a lot more pass attempts than last year--i do not see a 3 down back there.

I think Hilton outscores DHB whether he starts or not. He made two catches in the first game I have never seen DHB make, ever.

 

[silentcoach]

Ty Hilton will be great if he ends up starting (I know sounds odd, but it's true).

Bradford will have a lot more pass attempts than last year--i do not see a 3 down back there.

I think Hilton outscores DHB whether he starts or not. He made two catches in the first game I have never seen DHB make, ever.

I agree that he outscores DHB, however, his ceiling compared to other wrs across the league is capped if he is only on the field on 3 wr sets.

 

[ghostguy123]

It's hilarious that week 1of preseason would change the stock of anyone, but I guess it does for some folks out there.

Take advantage if you can people.

Hey, Kembrell got a bunch of looks with the Patriot starters and capitalized. Should that not raise his stock a bit? If he drops three next week, should it not go down a bit?

No one is saying to overreact.

Many, many people do. Take advantage of it.

 

[Manster]

I'm a big Wheaton fan, so I'm a bit biased, so take it FWIW, but the kid is a baller. He got a reverse 1st preseason game (shows they want to get the ball in his hands), made a nice catch in traffic, and almost made a great sideline foot drag catch. Just lost the ball on the landing. Had a false start too, but he's a rook and its the preseason.

I'd be snaggin this guy in keepers and dynasty. And he's worth a late round pick in redrafts, imo.

 

[nihsumi]

My thoughts and a few questions from hof+preseason1:

Jax - Gabbert seems to be struggling, I hope they give Henne a fair shot at the job. Not sure I want Cecil.

Miami - too much hype on Tannehill? after 2 games I will need really good value to draft a Miami player even after a 27-3 win.

Philly - How many games will the complicated system of DC BillyDavis need to get in place? BryceBrown is a top backup. (adding more later)

NE - the rookie WRs (KemBrall, Dobson) were targeted more than I anticipated and the PhillyD made the running game look very good. It would not surprise me if Amendola's role on the team is more for a decoy especially if Kembrall keeps it up and Dobson relaxes. Edleman put the ball on the ground 2x and I will pass on him. Blount looks fast!?

Jets/Det - didnt watch the game

Chicago - Cutler hmm not sure yet,1st pass on the game is an INT it appeared because Jeffery didnt want to cross the middle but he did come back later and catch one. I have been wondering w/Trestman in if Cutler can handle the quick reads/throws. Will B.Marshall run these quick slants and will they throw any 15+ yd routes?

Car - SteveSmith was targeted early and looked quicker to me. I will take late round flyers on DeAngelo though I am disappointed he couldnt score from the 1. Olsen was targeted early and in the redZone. On Cam's INT I was like "what the hell was that?" I was under the impression OC McCoy would have a negative impact on TEs and the Off in general (cant locate the link atm) taking a wait and see.

KC - really like what I see here. J.Charles looks worthy on a top 5 pick or better.

NO - it seemed Brees played alot more than the other big name QBs. The offense not clicking. (more later)

Dallas - give Dez some Skittles. Boys look good when everyone is healthy. How many 2-4 TE sets are they going to use this year? What effect will this have on Miles and does it translate into more running less Romo? Hope not, I already drafted Romo . Garrett seems to have a fake smile+overly enthusiastic, prob JJ's request.

Oakland - DMac might want to rethink passing on that contract extension unless they can consistently get him in space. Moore when wide open looks good. The pass rush is non existent. Oakland DC tells players he will "activate" you if you make plays sacks, etc., hmm.

Wash - Cousins just like last year looks very good. If he was anywhere else there could be a "QB controversy". Like F.Davis and they have a decent group of WRs Alfred has a good backup in Helu.

Tenn - CJ2K seems to be worth the risk of a 2nd round pick. Locker > Tannehill, Ponder, Gabbert, Flynn? ShonnGreen looked better than I expected.

NYG - good thing Eli has Cruz or it would have been a fairly bad looking debut.

Pitt - I had questions about A.Brown taking over #1 WR, still do even w/the near TD miss. Would rather draft Sanders alot later. Like LSH as well for the same reason as others, he just looks quicker.

StL - put them in any other division and I would be alot more interested in Richardson, Givens, GregTheLeg, Bradford in that order.

Clev - getting Chud+Norv was a good idea, imo next to KC was one of the most improved O's I saw this weekend. Liking Cameron, Wrs, play calling. I am concerned if TRich doesnt play any in the preseason. Take a flyer on JGordon. Opening drive 15plays 7+minutes.

SF - ColinK. seemed to be in mid-season form even though they only got 6pts. Avoiding AJ Jenkins. Liking V.Davis, Boldin (upgrade for me). Wait and see who Gore's backup will be James or Hunter.

Den - (later)

Rewind shots:

Jax's TeraBarz 2x

Rams cheerleaders upskirt 3x

Blount's 51yd TD run 5x! this is probably the happiest guy in the NFL for being traded.