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People charged with the murders of almost 100 people can be linked to a single far-right website, according to a new report from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).

The White Nationalist web forum Stormfront.org says it promotes values of “the embattled white minority,” and its users include Anders Behring Breivik, who killed 77 people in a 2011 massacre in Norway, and Wade Michael Page, who shot and killed six people at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin in 2012.

After a two-year investigation, the SPLC said (pdf) that since Stormfront became one of the first hate sites on the internet in 1995, its registered users have been disproportionately responsible for major killings. The report was released a month early after white supremacist Frazier Glenn Miller, also known as Frazier Glenn Cross, was accused of killing three people at a Jewish center in Kansas City on Sunday.

“We know that the people who are going to commit the kinds of crimes, like the kinds of crimes Miller committed last weekend, this is where they live,” said Heidi Beirich, report author and a director at the SPLC’s Intelligence Project. The report, released on Thursday, calls Stormfront the “largest hate site in the world” and “a magnet and breeding ground for the deadly and deranged.”
Stormfront founder Don Black, a former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, criticized Miller for giving users of his site a bad reputation. “We have enough of a problem with how we are portrayed without some homicidal whack job coming along and reinforcing that,” Black told the Daily Beast. After he was banned from Stormfront, the SLPC said Miller posted more than 12,000 times on a similar forum, Vanguard News Network, whose slogan is “No Jews, Just Right.”

The SPLC’s report said hate killings skyrocketed after Barack Obama was inaugurated in 2009.
“We feel pretty strongly that the Department of Homeland Security, which is the lead agency in this country for developing intelligence about these groups and individuals, has more or less taken its eye of the ball in the sense that since 2009 the department seems more focused on Jihadists terrorism,” Potok said.
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10 Signs of an Imminent Race Killer

In a two-year study of almost 100 murders by racist extremists, the Intelligence Report identified 10 unique characteristics of killers who were active online:

1) Unemployment: All offenders were unemployed at the time of the killings.

2) Public Activism: By protesting, leafleting, or attending racist skinhead concerts or gatherings, all offenders publicly participated in racist activity or outreach (though most remained anonymous prior to the killings.)

3) Home Crime Scene: Triggering events are personal. More than half of offenders began killing in or around their homes, with family members often the first victims.

4) Multiple Platforms: Almost all offenders posted on more than one racist blog or Web forum.

5) Sustained Activity: Almost all offenders had been active on racist forums or blogs for more than 18 months at the time of the killings.

6) Oppositional Behavior: Almost all offenders were seen to be argumentative or antagonistic with others on the racist forums. Some were eventually banned in the months leading up to the killings.

7) Posting Variation: Most offenders exhibited a notable change in their posting frequency in the days and weeks leading up to the killings — either a significant increase or decline in posts. Several were active on the racist Stormfront forum in the hours leading up to the killings.

8) Discussion of Violence: Most offenders discussed violence as an acceptable means of conflict resolution in their postings.

9) Weapons: Most offenders discussed firearms online.

10) Identification of an “Enemy”: Most offenders specifically identified an enemy in their writings. Though many named minorities, most identified the U.S. government, or “ZOG” (for Zionist Occupation Government), as their primary opposition.
 
I'm not sure where the discussion goes here. I certainly wouldn't disagree with the report.

 
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For domestic Islamic terrorists, the breeding ground for violence is often the Al Qaeda magazine Inspire and its affiliated websites. For the racist, it is Stormfront.

Investigators find that most offenders openly advocated their ideology online for lengthy periods while sucking up the hatred around them. Yet Stormfront’s founder, former Alabama Klan leader Stephen Donald “Don” Black, shrugs off responsibility for what he has wrought.

The homicidal trend began just four years after the site went up. On Aug. 10, 1999, Buford O’Neil Furrow, a known user of Stormfront, left his parents’ home in Tacoma, Wash., and drove to Los Angeles, where he shot and wounded three children, a teenage girl and an elderly woman at a Jewish day care center. Furrow then shot and killed a Filipino-American postal worker.

Eight months later, on April 28, 2000, just days after exchanging E-mails and a phone call with a woman he met on the Stormfront “Singles” page, Richard Scott Baumhammers shot and killed his next-door neighbor, a 63-year-old Jewish woman. Next, he drove to the victim’s synagogue, shot out the windows and painted two large red swastikas on the front of the building. And then Baumhammers went on a shooting rampage, specifically targeting minorities and murdering five people. A sixth victim would die of his injuries several months later.

When Baumhammers’ connection to Stormfront was pointed out in media reports, Black denied any responsibility. He claimed Baumhammers “had been previously diagnosed as something worse than schizophrenic.” But Black did note that attention to the killings had more than doubled the number of “hits” to his website.

Furrow, 37, and Baumhammers, 34, were both unemployed and still living with their parents at the time of the killings. The next Stormfront user to commit murder was also living with his parents. This one was in the ninth grade.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/white-homicide-worldwide

 
Don Black runs stormfront.

In many respects, Don Black resembles the prototypical killers that seem to be drawn to Stormfront. Black, 60, is a frustrated, unemployed white adult male living with an ideologically estranged wife, Chloe Hardin Black, who has publicly denounced the racist movement. She is the sole provider in the household.

Black spends hours every day online, utterly convinced of the supremacy of his race while expressing frustration with the inferiority of his outcomes. He occasionally complains about the sociopaths Stormfront seems to attract or laments that his only son, Derek, recently publicly denounced white supremacy.
Black’s 46-plus years of involvement with the racist movement started at the age of 15, when, like the fratricidal Ian Andrew Bishop, he began distributing racist fliers around his high school. That he was involved with a subculture of sociopaths would become quite obvious, given who Black met while on his very first “movement” road trip at the age of 16.

In the summer of 1969, Black traveled to a World Union of National Socialists meeting in Arlington, Va., in the back seat of a beat-up Chevy Chevelle, sitting next to a 19-year-old James Clayton Vaughn for more than 12 hours. Neo-Nazi and soon-to-be Klan leader David Duke was driving. As Black recollects, Vaughn was the very first person he met in the “white nationalist” movement to which he would devote his life.

Vaughn, who would change his name to Joseph Paul Franklin, later became probably the most prolific racist serial killer in U.S. history, targeting interracial couples and killing as many as 20 people in several states between 1977 and 1980 (he was convicted of eight murders). Franklin was executed last year.

Black’s exposure to the worst of the racist movement continued the following year. He spent his 17th birthday in the hospital with a bullet wound in his chest after being caught trying to steal the mailing list of the racist National States Rights Party. The shooter, Jerry Ray, was the brother of Martin Luther King Jr. assassin James Earl Ray. Jerry Ray was prosecuted for attempted murder but acquitted after claiming self-defense. Black pleaded guilty and received one year of probation.


By 1975, Black was a rising leader in the Alabama wing of David Duke’s Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, a position he kept for the next 12 years. But his ambitions went beyond the robe and hood. On April 27, 1981, Black was arrested with nine other white supremacists as they prepared to board a yacht to invade the tiny Caribbean island of Dominica, oust its black-run government, and transform it into a “white state.”
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/white-homicide-worldwide

 
I'm not sure where the discussion goes here. I certainly wouldn't disagree with the report.
I don't know where it goes either. I had no idea one website had that many connections to murderers and it seems worth discussion. People here are sane and nobody here's going to go off killing anyone.

 
I'm not sure where the discussion goes here. I certainly wouldn't disagree with the report.
I don't know where it goes either. I had no idea one website had that many connections to murderers and it seems worth discussion. People here are sane and nobody here's going to go off killing anyone.
I simply don't get why people hate each other for something so trivial as skin color. I mean, I know that humans have hated each other for millenia, but at least have a good reason.

 
Here's the thing- despite the fact that the Internet allows these people to coalesce and talk with each other in a manner unavailable to them years ago, they are actually smaller in number than they used to be. There was a time in this country when the KKK actually won state elections- and not just in the South either. There was a time when bigotry against Jews, if never popular in America, wasn't considered outrageous either. We've moved beyond all that. These nuts will never disappear but there's not that many of them.

 
Breivik admitted to Oslo UniversityNorwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik has been admitted to a political science course, the University of Oslo said Friday, but his imprisonment means he is unlikely to earn a degree.

Breivik killed 77 people in a rampage in Norway in July 2011, claiming he was fighting against multiculturalism and a "Muslim invasion".Norwegian convicts have the right to higher education if they meet the admission requirements and the course Breivik applied for could in theory lead to a bachelor's degree that would focus heavily on democracy and human rights.

"He got a place here. He meets the criteria," university spokeswoman Marina Tofting told AFP.

But graduating with a degree is currently not an option for the right-wing extremist -- who once made a living from selling fake university diplomas -- as five out of the nine courses needed would require him to attend university seminars.

The 36-year-old is currently in solitary confinement without access to the internet, and his contacts with the university will have to be through an intermediary.

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http://www.thelocal.no/20150718/breivik-admitted-to-oslo-university

 
White Supremacist Starts Legal Defense Fund After FBI Visit About Dylann RoofThe founder of the online white supremacist forum Stormfront.org this week began soliciting donations for a legal defense fund, just days after he was reportedly visited by the FBI in connection with last month's shooting at a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina.

Don Black, the former Ku Klux Klan grand dragon who founded the online forum two decades ago, said Tuesday on his online radio show that its commenters' right to free speech was "under attack." But he was vague about just what imminent legal challenge the website faced.

"We are under legal attack and we do have to have a defense," he said. "We’re not going to just sit back and let the government do whatever it wants in lockstep with much of the media."

Black said that on Independence Day he made an appeal to Stormfront's "sustaining members," or commenters who've previously donated to the site, to contribute to the legal defense fund. In that appeal, which was obtained by the Southern Poverty Law Center, Black wrote that "Stormfront's existence is threatened now more than ever in its history."

“I can’t discuss any details for the usual lawyerly reasons, but the assault has begun,” he added, as quoted by the SPLC. “I don’t know how far it will go or where it will end.”

The Stormfront founder recently told The New York Times that the FBI visited his West Palm Beach, Florida home last week. He told the newspaper that the agents were seeking information about Charleston shooter Dylann Roof's online associations, but wouldn't comment on whether he received a subpoena.

It wasn't immediately clear whether the legal defense fund was related to the reported FBI visit to Black's home. Black did not respond Tuesday to a request for comment from TPM.

Roof's connection to Stormfront.org also remains unclear. A chilling manifesto that was apparently written by Roof before the July 17 shooting at Emanuel AME Church specifically credited a group called the Council of Conservative Citizens with opening the author's eyes to black-on-white crime. An analysis by the SPLC further found that passages from the manifesto, which was published at a site called lastrhodesian.com, closely resembled comments published by a user named "Aryanblood1488" on The Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi forum.

Black alluded to the shooting, which left nine black parishioners dead, on Tuesday's radio show.

"There are attempts to shut us down effectively by associating -- by calling the truth 'hate speech.' That’s the method being used and suggesting that hate speech is illegal," he said. "Telling the truth about race, telling the truth about the racial reality of crime is illegal because, well, it might cause somebody to get so outraged. Some mentally unbalanced person. He might do something illegal. He might go out and commit murder."

In his interview with the Times, Black said he was concerned that a federal investigation into the shooter's online associations could have a chilling effect on online commenters. He further suggested Tuesday that the specter of a federal inquiry could scare off people from posting in the public Stormfront forums.

"I didn’t want to immediately post in the public side of the board because our people are a little timid," Black said on his radio show. "People coming to the board might get scared off if I start talking about government crackdowns that have to be fought with a legal defense fund."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/don-black-stormfront-legal-fund

-- The Confederate Flag thread is interesting, it dates back years, maybe 2006-08 (?), but I find it rather disturbing that we have gotten wrapped up in this issue of the battle flag when it appears that Roof was far, far more influenced by the dark racist web site Stormfront and probably some similar sites.
Here is the site itself coming to his defense.

 
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Linked above:

White Supremacists Extend Their Reach Through WebsitesIn late June, as much of the nation mourned the killing of nine parishioners in a Charleston, S.C., church, The Daily Stormer, a white supremacist website, was busy posting articles on a different issue: black crime against white people. “Adolescent Ape Jailed for Murdering White Man Out of Boredom,” one headline blared.

And after Dylann Roof, a white 21-year-old high school dropout and the apparent author of a vitriolic anti-black diatribe, was arrested and charged with the killings, commenters on another white supremacist site, Stormfront.org, lamented something else: the possibility of the massacre’s leading to gun control. “Jews want the white man’s guns. End of story,” one person wrote from Utah.

In the wake of the church massacre, many white supremacist groups have rushed to disavow any link to Mr. Roof and any role in the murders. And while Mr. Roof appears to have been in contact with some white supremacists online, investigators say it does not appear that those people encouraged or assisted in the deadly shootings.


Magnets on Mr. Black's refrigerator in West Palm Beach, Fla. Many adherents of the modern white supremacy movement have as a goal the restoration of white authority in America, or, if that proves impossible, the creation of a white enclave protected by its own army. Credit Ryan Stone for The New York Times Still, the authorities say, Mr. Roof had clearly embraced their worldview. As investigators comb through the data streams of Mr. Roof’s electronic equipment, a four-page manifesto apparently written by him before the killings offers a virtual road map to modern-day white supremacy. It contains bitter complaints about black crime and immigration, espousing the virtues of segregation and debating the viability of an all-white enclave in the Pacific Northwest.

That manifesto has refocused attention on a shadowy movement that, for all its ideological connections to the white racists of the past, is more regionally diverse and sophisticated than its predecessors, experts say.

They say it is capable, through its robust online presence, of reaching an audience far wider than the small number of actual members attributed to it.

“There’s really not a lot out there as far as membership organizations,” said Don Black, who runs Stormfront.org. “But there is a huge number, I think more than ever, as far as people actively working in some way to promote our cause. Because they don’t have to join an organization now that we have this newfangled Internet.”

Experts dispute the number of movement supporters but agree about its efforts to modernize. While the virulent racism of old can still be found online, the movement today also includes more button-down websites run by white nationalism think tanks with vanity publishing units. Most of the best-known organizations also claim to have disavowed the violence of groups like the Ku Klux Klan.

Richard B. Spencer, the 37-year-old president of the white nationalist National Policy Institute in Whitefish, Mont., embodies this new generation.

He holds a master’s degree from the University of Chicago and studied for a doctorate in history at Duke University. Now he runs an organization that produces papers on issues like racial differences in intelligence and the crime rate among Hispanic immigrants.


“America as it is currently constituted — and I don’t just mean the government; I mean America as constituted spiritually and ideologically — is the fundamental problem,” he said in an interview. “I don’t support and agree with much of anything America is doing in the world.”

But precisely because the movement is more atomized and has been rendered more anonymous by the Internet, law enforcement officials say it has become harder to track potentially violent lone-wolf terrorists who might draw inspiration from white supremacist sites without being actively involved in the organizations.

“White supremacist lone wolves pose the most significant domestic terrorist threat because of their low profile and autonomy — separate from any formalized group — which hampers warning efforts,” said a Department of Homeland Security report issued in 2009. The report came under fierce criticism from conservatives, who said it unfairly painted them as terrorists.

If the movement has a leading edge, it is Stormfront.org, an online discussion forum. With about 40,000 visitors a day, it is perhaps the most popular supremacist site in the world based on page views, with more than a million a month (a figure that includes repeat visitors).

Mr. Black, its 61-year-old proprietor, straddles the movement’s generational divide: a grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan in Alabama decades ago, he later ushered in the movement’s Internet era with Stormfront.org in 1995, and followed up with a two-hour weekday Internet radio show.

Stormfront’s website, operated by Mr. Black out of his home in West Palm Beach, Fla., features the slogan “White Pride World Wide.” It is primarily a chat room, with discussion threads that range from innocuous cooking tips to diatribes against gays, immigrants, Jews and blacks.

Mr. Black said he had broken from the Klan because it had a history of “random and senseless violence.” But he also said he could not rule out violent conflict as white people tried to promote what he called “our heritage, our values,” and attempted to realize the dream of a separate all-white enclave.

“I personally would like to see it play out peacefully,” he said. “Unfortunately I took too many history classes, and history is not filled with a lot of peace. America is becoming balkanized just like the Balkans; we are breaking apart because of Hispanics — particularly in the Southwest — and other races.”

Mr. Black was visited last week by F.B.I. agents seeking information about Mr. Roof’s online associates, though he said there was no evidence that anybody had encouraged Mr. Roof to commit murder.

“This could obviously become overly broad and become a First Amendment issue,” Mr. Black said, adding that such inquiries could have a chilling effect on free expression in online posts. He would not comment when asked if he had been served with a subpoena but said lawyers were involved.

A young challenger to Stormfront.org’s influence is The Daily Stormer, a neo-Nazi mixture of message boards and sarcastic commentary begun by 30-year-old Andrew Anglin in 2013. He started it amid a national uproar over the killing in Florida of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old black youth, by a neighborhood watch monitor, George Zimmerman. Mr. Anglin was born in 1984. Like Mr. Black, he has a podcast.

Mr. Black's website is an example of how the white nationalist movement has been rendered more anonymous by the Internet.

The Daily Stormer offers frequently updated content, much of it provocatively raw and written by Mr. Anglin, who declined to be interviewed for this article but is believed to run the site out of suburban Columbus, Ohio. In a post on Friday headlined “Spineless Jewpublicans Respond to the Donald,” Mr. Anglin took to task virtually the entire Republican presidential field for criticizing Donald Trump’s statements on Mexican immigrants.

Several organizations — the National Policy Institute, American Renaissance, the Charles Martel Society and its website The Occidental Observer — try to take a more highbrow approach, couching white nationalist arguments as academic commentary on black inferiority, the immigration threat to whites and other racial issues.

There are also two prominent groups with deep ties to the South: the Council of Conservative Citizens, which evolved from the pro-segregationist White Citizens Councils, and the League of the South, a sparsely trafficked site for hard-core secessionists. The manifesto attributed to Mr. Roof cited the council’s website as a source of information about black-on-white crime.

Many groups are said to be financially challenged. For instance, Stormfront.org struggles to raise $7,500 a month from about 800 “sustaining members” to cover expenses, Mr. Black said.

The exceptions are found among the highbrow organizations: The National Policy Institute and the Martel Society were founded and have been aided by William H. Regnery II, heir to a far-right publishing empire who also oversees a brace of anti-immigration lobbying groups. The Pioneer Fund, a 78-year-old nonprofit foundation that has stoked controversy with its interest in eugenics, also has aided the policy institute and American Renaissance.

In 2004, leaders of the movement met in New Orleans, ostensibly to celebrate the release of David Duke, the former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, who had been imprisoned for fraudulent fund-raising. There, eight major organizations signed an agreement intended to define the modern supremacist movement according to three unifying principles: honorable behavior among all signatories, a high tone in public presentations and zero tolerance for violence.

The degree to which followers of those groups have maintained the nonviolence pledge remains in dispute.

But the manifesto attributed to Mr. Roof included a chilling complaint about the movement’s disavowal of violence. “We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the Internet,” the paper read. “Well, someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.”

Supremacist groups remain divided by rivalries and philosophical disputes. Those differences sometimes obscure a common goal: to re-establish exclusive white control of the United States or, should that prove impossible as many groups now concede, to build an all-white enclave with its own government and an army to defend it.

The League of the South seeks a second Southern secession. The Daily Stormer’s Mr. Anglin last month proposed building a white city, possibly in a foreign venue.

Mr. Spencer, who runs the National Policy Institute, said in an interview that he fantasized about an Aryan revival in the style of the Roman Empire. Others have proposed a white enclave in the Pacific Northwest, or “little Europe” towns across America.

Stormfront’s Mr. Black does not just talk about such aspirations: He spent two years in federal prison for an ill-fated attempt in 1981 to seize the Caribbean island of Dominica for conversion into an all-white paradise, financed by brothels and casinos. The authorities stopped him and his group as they were boarding a yacht with plans to stage a Dominica coup.

Where the masses will be found to establish such audacious and widely condemned ventures is not clear, even to their proponents. But Mr. Spencer noted that Karl Marx had founded communism with no adherents and a simple manifesto. Mr. Black said he believed the online supremacist movement was not merely large but growing.

The Anti-Defamation League has identified some 10,000 white supremacists on websites and on social media like Facebook. But many more are said to be more like Mr. Roof, invisible and surfacing online only to make anonymous comments. Stormfront claims 300,000 registered members, although Mr. Black said only a small fraction were active on the site. Some 95 percent of the site’s visitors, he said, are anonymous outsiders.

Among the dozen or so main white supremacist websites, daily page views range from fewer than 1,000 to as many as 40,000, although that figure includes repeat page views.

An analysis of traffic to several major supremacist websites shows that many attracted spikes in interest late last year, around the time that anger over the shooting of Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager, by a white police officer in Ferguson, Mo., was touching off protests in cities and towns across the nation. But it remains far from clear whether it translated into a larger following for any of the groups.

Estimating the size of the white supremacy movement is “a murky guessing game,” said Donald P. Green, a Columbia University professor and expert on hate crimes, because many racists are unwilling to declare a belief that mainstream Americans find abhorrent.

Gauging its impact on the Charleston murders, he said, is even harder.

“The idea that you could reaffirm someone’s ideology and maybe even sharpen or focus it on a particular target is something these sites are capable of doing,” Mr. Green said.

As for the church shooting suspect, Mr. Roof, “We don’t know whether that was a marker for his violent predispositions or might be the cause of them,” Mr. Green said. “It might be both.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/us/white-supremacists-extend-their-reach-through-websites.html?_r=0

 
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Charleston Suspect Was in Contact With Supremacists, Officials SayWASHINGTON — Federal and local authorities have found that the man charged in the shooting deaths of nine black people in a South Carolina church last month had been in contact with white supremacists online, although it does not appear they encouraged him to carry out the massacre, according to law enforcement officials.

Investigators uncovered that information as they have pieced together where the gunman, Dylann Roof, 21, received his inspiration, and whether anyone else should face charges in connection with the murders.

“To understand what happened, you have to understand who he talked to and who may have known what,” said one law enforcement official briefed on the case. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they did not want to be identified discussing a continuing investigation.

So far, the authorities have determined that people around Mr. Roof were aware that he held some racist beliefs.

If the authorities find that any of Mr. Roof’s associates knew about his plans, they would most likely try to prosecute them. In the case of the 2013 Boston Marathon bombings, at least two men who were friends of the bombers were charged with helping them dispose of evidence from the bombing and from a subsequent shooting of a police officer. Three other men associated with the bombers were charged in connection with lying to the authorities or obstructing the investigation.

The authorities investigating the shooting that took place at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church have been able to piece together the communications of Mr. Roof in part because they are in possession of his electronic devices, including his cellphone and computer. The devices were taken to F.B.I. laboratories in Quantico, Va., where they have been scrutinized by specially trained agents and analysts.

They showed that at least some of Mr. Roof’s communications with the hate groups were online.

The authorities also have looked over a manifesto and photographs posted online of him at Confederate heritage sites and slavery museums. The F.B.I. has concluded that they were probably posted by Mr. Roof. Although some of the photos appear to have been taken by someone else, bureau analysts have said that they were likely selfie photos or taken by Mr. Roof using a timer on the camera.

The State newspaper in Columbia, S.C., reported on Thursday that the investigation had widened to include others who may have helped Mr. Roof. It did not identify who those people were.

The F.B.I. has dedicated significant resources to the inquiry and has worked closely with the local authorities. The Justice Department is likely to file federal hate crime charges against Mr. Roof, who already faces nine counts of murder in state court.

Senior officials at the Justice Department said that the shooting was such an extraordinary event that the department must bring hate crime charges to send a larger message about it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/04/us/dylann-roof-was-in-contact-with-supremacists-officials-say.html?_r=0

 
Stormfront is a disgusting place, but when 1 guy is responsible for 75% of the killings that have any link to the site, I think it hurts their claim that the site is so violently dangerous. Especially since they seem to want to downplay Islamic extremist violence which is clearly a bigger global issue.

I mean, how many killings have been committed by folks with ties to ISIS websites?

 
Stormfront is a disgusting place, but when 1 guy is responsible for 75% of the killings that have any link to the site, I think it hurts their claim that the site is so violently dangerous. Especially since they seem to want to downplay Islamic extremist violence which is clearly a bigger global issue.

I mean, how many killings have been committed by folks with ties to ISIS websites?
Well the OP from 2014 says 100 people charged with murder.

ISIS is obviously a bigger threat and more pernicious and dangerous, but the stories about Roof and Abdulazziz seem similar in some respects.

 
Stormfront is a disgusting place, but when 1 guy is responsible for 75% of the killings that have any link to the site, I think it hurts their claim that the site is so violently dangerous. Especially since they seem to want to downplay Islamic extremist violence which is clearly a bigger global issue.

I mean, how many killings have been committed by folks with ties to ISIS websites?
Well the OP from 2014 says 100 people charged with murder.

ISIS is obviously a bigger threat and more pernicious and dangerous, but the stories about Roof and Abdulazziz seem similar in some respects.
Domestically? I am not certain the FBI agrees.

 

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