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The guy I am playing next Sunday has the QB that throws to two of my WRs.

Is it a shrewd move to start both WR to minimize the QBs point potential or stupidity to make a risky move that could end up backfiring?

Just wanting thoughts of people who may have done or thought about doing this and what transpired...

Thanks

 

[L5UT1ger]

Start the guys that you think will likely score the most points...

Can't say I would ever answer it any other way.

 

[billyjoe]

Start the guys that you think will likely score the most points...Can't say I would ever answer it any other way.

Uh it's a little more complicated then that.Lets say you are starting your QB and starting the DEF he's playing.Is it possible for your QB to get 3 tds and the DEF to get a shutout? No.So you lower the max points you will get. Now the advantage is if your QB stinks, you'll likely get nice points from the DEF. And if the DEF stinks, you'll get a nice game from your QB. You lower your upside, but generally raise your floor. It depends who you're playing. If you need a great game from EVERYONE, and you're playing the best team in the league, I wouldn't limit myself by playing guys that cancel each other out. It's like starting Wayne, Clark, Harrison. They're all not going to have 100 yard 2 td games. But they're all not going to have 30 yard 0 td games. One of them usually goes off, and you cover your ###. But getting average results usually doesn't mean wins.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

If you have a favored team (chalk / avg. points are higher), then doing a risk reduction strategy like this could be a good idea.

If you're at a deficit going in to the matchup, I'd try to maximize your points more and not worry about the opposing lineup.

 

[J-Rock]

It is basically a defensive move which will greatly minimize the impact of his QB. What it means is you have 2 starters working against his 1 starter. Your remaining players better be able to out match his.

 

[L5UT1ger]

Start the guys that you think will likely score the most points...Can't say I would ever answer it any other way.

Uh it's a little more complicated then that.Lets say you are starting your QB and starting the DEF he's playing.Is it possible for your QB to get 3 tds and the DEF to get a shutout? No.So you lower the max points you will get. Now the advantage is if your QB stinks, you'll likely get nice points from the DEF. And if the DEF stinks, you'll get a nice game from your QB. You lower your upside, but generally raise your floor. It depends who you're playing. If you need a great game from EVERYONE, and you're playing the best team in the league, I wouldn't limit myself by playing guys that cancel each other out. It's like starting Wayne, Clark, Harrison. They're all not going to have 100 yard 2 td games. But they're all not going to have 30 yard 0 td games. One of them usually goes off, and you cover your ###. But getting average results usually doesn't mean wins.

Fine i understand diversification and all that, but when discussing your opponent's QBs and your WRs cancelling them out, I dont think this has any merit.Start the best two receivers on your team...end of story.Or if he is starting Charlie Frye go for two browns receivers and bench Holt and Harrison...good idea!We really need the specifics here, but i still say start the best you got.

 

[L5UT1ger]

It is basically a defensive move which will greatly minimize the impact of his QB. What it means is you have 2 starters working against his 1 starter. Your remaining players better be able to out match his.

...or his QB throws a TD to the back up TE and rushes one in and you have two guys behind his one player.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

The guy I am playing next Sunday has the QB that throws to two of my WRs.Is it a shrewd move to start both WR to minimize the QBs point potential or stupidity to make a risky move that could end up backfiring?Just wanting thoughts of people who may have done or thought about doing this and what transpired...Thanks

I'm in the same kind of sitution. The guy I'm playing this week has T.O. I've got Romo and Favre as my QB's. I'm thinking about playing Romo over Favre to cancel out T.O. I don't know if the 'Boys will try to run b/c of Indy's sucky D or pass b/c they have so many weapons to throw to. Favre really on has Driver to throw to and that worries me a little.

 

[coolnerd]

The strategy is fine as long as the NFL WR2 that you thinking starting is not a clear down grade in talent and opportunity. In other words, if you will debating between two or more equal players, this could be a factor that tips the scales, but not worth placing your clear number 3 Wr on the bench for your number 5 who is normally no more than a bye week fill-in.

 

[Ears]

If you have a favored team (chalk / avg. points are higher), then doing a risk reduction strategy like this could be a good idea.If you're at a deficit going in to the matchup, I'd try to maximize your points more and not worry about the opposing lineup.

It doesn't work quite as well w/ the OP's situation - the QB could throw TDs to the RB, TE, tackle-eligible, leaving the WRs shut out. It's a better play if you have the QB and the stronger team, thus mitigating (in part) any WR scores and forcing the rest of his team to beat you.

 

[Elway Lives]

Had a similar situation last week. Was going against Brees, so I picked up Henderson at WR to help counter Brees' points. It did not work out well for me in the least....I might as well have picked up Jerry Porter.

 

[videoguy505]

My strategy is to always play as many guys who play on Monday night as possible. That way I can "come from behind". It's an advantage, just like getting "last ups" in baseball.

 

[kensat30]

In a league where Travis Henry can run for 100/1 against Baltimore, two weeks after putting up 30/0 against Houston, I think you have to play your best players every week. Don't get too cute with your strategy, because your "superior" lineup means nothing.

 

[L_O_D]

A veiled Cancellation Theory Thread

Duck now

 

[hawaiiankrush]

If it's Joey Harrington, don't worry about it.

 

[sprtbuf]

Start the guys that you think will likely score the most points...Can't say I would ever answer it any other way.

Uh it's a little more complicated then that.Lets say you are starting your QB and starting the DEF he's playing.Is it possible for your QB to get 3 tds and the DEF to get a shutout? No.So you lower the max points you will get. Now the advantage is if your QB stinks, you'll likely get nice points from the DEF. And if the DEF stinks, you'll get a nice game from your QB. You lower your upside, but generally raise your floor. It depends who you're playing. If you need a great game from EVERYONE, and you're playing the best team in the league, I wouldn't limit myself by playing guys that cancel each other out. It's like starting Wayne, Clark, Harrison. They're all not going to have 100 yard 2 td games. But they're all not going to have 30 yard 0 td games. One of them usually goes off, and you cover your ###. But getting average results usually doesn't mean wins.

Fine i understand diversification and all that, but when discussing your opponent's QBs and your WRs cancelling them out, I dont think this has any merit.Start the best two receivers on your team...end of story.Or if he is starting Charlie Frye go for two browns receivers and bench Holt and Harrison...good idea!We really need the specifics here, but i still say start the best you got.

Hmmmm I dont' want this to be a WDIS.... So let me say it this way, I got the second highest point total in the league to go with the best record. I got top 5 guys in point production across the board in all skill positions that I start. The guy I am playing has the worst league record and a lower total point production. Does this help at all?

 

[mr blond]

The strategy is fine as long as the NFL WR2 that you thinking starting is not a clear down grade in talent and opportunity. In other words, if you will debating between two or more equal players, this could be a factor that tips the scales, but not worth placing your clear number 3 Wr on the bench for your number 5 who is normally no more than a bye week fill-in.

I utililze this type of a strategy as a tie-breaker

 

[L5UT1ger]

Start the guys that you think will likely score the most points...Can't say I would ever answer it any other way.

Uh it's a little more complicated then that.Lets say you are starting your QB and starting the DEF he's playing.Is it possible for your QB to get 3 tds and the DEF to get a shutout? No.So you lower the max points you will get. Now the advantage is if your QB stinks, you'll likely get nice points from the DEF. And if the DEF stinks, you'll get a nice game from your QB. You lower your upside, but generally raise your floor. It depends who you're playing. If you need a great game from EVERYONE, and you're playing the best team in the league, I wouldn't limit myself by playing guys that cancel each other out. It's like starting Wayne, Clark, Harrison. They're all not going to have 100 yard 2 td games. But they're all not going to have 30 yard 0 td games. One of them usually goes off, and you cover your ###. But getting average results usually doesn't mean wins.

Fine i understand diversification and all that, but when discussing your opponent's QBs and your WRs cancelling them out, I dont think this has any merit.Start the best two receivers on your team...end of story.Or if he is starting Charlie Frye go for two browns receivers and bench Holt and Harrison...good idea!We really need the specifics here, but i still say start the best you got.

Hmmmm I dont' want this to be a WDIS.... So let me say it this way, I got the second highest point total in the league to go with the best record. I got top 5 guys in point production across the board in all skill positions that I start. The guy I am playing has the worst league record and a lower total point production. Does this help at all?

If thats the case then what are you worried about? Use the situation as a tie breaker, thats about it.

 

[JayMan]

Start the guys that you think will likely score the most points...Can't say I would ever answer it any other way.

Extreme example... he has Losman - your WR4 and WR5 are Peerless Price and Josh Reed... you don't bench Steve Smith and Terrell Owens...There is no "if my team is favored I use this approach - if my team is not favored I don't do this" approach...this is just implying that you are looking to get your best lineup for that particular weekend - if he has McNabb going against the Titans - you can insert Reggie Brown in instead of Driver - but you have to do this only if you think that the McNabb/Brown connection against Tennessee will yield you more points than Driver...The idea is to score the most points to beat your opponent... you only start your WRs that gets the ball from your opponent QB if you think they will outscore your other WRs...

 

[Warhogs]

I will sometimes use a strategy opposite this and start the QB of my opponents best WR if I feel the other positions favor me. Seems to me when I try your strategy that QB throws to neither of my guys and throws 2 TD to the 3rd and 4th option on the team. I would not let the fact that your WR are thrown to by his QB be a factor in who I was going to start and would just play who I thought were my best 2 bets instead.

 

[SuperJohn96]

Start the guys that you think will likely score the most points...

Can't say I would ever answer it any other way.

Uh it's a little more complicated then that.Lets say you are starting your QB and starting the DEF he's playing.

Is it possible for your QB to get 3 tds and the DEF to get a shutout? No.

So you lower the max points you will get. Now the advantage is if your QB stinks, you'll likely get nice points from the DEF. And if the DEF stinks, you'll get a nice game from your QB.

You lower your upside, but generally raise your floor. It depends who you're playing. If you need a great game from EVERYONE, and you're playing the best team in the league, I wouldn't limit myself by playing guys that cancel each other out.

It's like starting Wayne, Clark, Harrison. They're all not going to have 100 yard 2 td games. But they're all not going to have 30 yard 0 td games. One of them usually goes off, and you cover your ###. But getting average results usually doesn't mean wins.

Fine i understand diversification and all that, but when discussing your opponent's QBs and your WRs cancelling them out, I dont think this has any merit.Start the best two receivers on your team...end of story.

Or if he is starting Charlie Frye go for two browns receivers and bench Holt and Harrison...good idea!

We really need the specifics here, but i still say start the best you got.

Easier said than done since nobody on the planet knows can predict the stats their guys will get.I fail to see why this is so difficult to understand. We have had this disagreement on this board many times, and some of the well thought out answers in this thread best describe why this strategy works on occasion.

:whoosh:

This guy doesn't get it... :(

 

[sprtbuf]

What are examples of the QB/WR1-2 scenario?

A given would be the IND and CIN teams....

Where is the line on doing this for specific teams?

 

[L5UT1ger]

Start the guys that you think will likely score the most points...

Can't say I would ever answer it any other way.

Uh it's a little more complicated then that.Lets say you are starting your QB and starting the DEF he's playing.

Is it possible for your QB to get 3 tds and the DEF to get a shutout? No.

So you lower the max points you will get. Now the advantage is if your QB stinks, you'll likely get nice points from the DEF. And if the DEF stinks, you'll get a nice game from your QB.

You lower your upside, but generally raise your floor. It depends who you're playing. If you need a great game from EVERYONE, and you're playing the best team in the league, I wouldn't limit myself by playing guys that cancel each other out.

It's like starting Wayne, Clark, Harrison. They're all not going to have 100 yard 2 td games. But they're all not going to have 30 yard 0 td games. One of them usually goes off, and you cover your ###. But getting average results usually doesn't mean wins.

Fine i understand diversification and all that, but when discussing your opponent's QBs and your WRs cancelling them out, I dont think this has any merit.Start the best two receivers on your team...end of story.

Or if he is starting Charlie Frye go for two browns receivers and bench Holt and Harrison...good idea!

We really need the specifics here, but i still say start the best you got.

Easier said than done since nobody on the planet knows can predict the stats their guys will get.I fail to see why this is so difficult to understand. We have had this disagreement on this board many times, and some of the well thought out answers in this thread best describe why this strategy works on occasion.

:whoosh:

This guy doesn't get it... :(

...but some on the planet can predict which WRs will catch the TDs instead of the NFL team's TE, RB or WR4?There are some well thought out answers of why this doesn't work on occasion. This makes it just as random as trying to predict who your best options are at WR. Sooooo...why not just start who you think will score the most points? At best you "cancel" them out, at worst you are behind...I am not liking that, maybe thats just me that doesnt get it.

 

[dagwood]

Start the guys that you think will likely score the most points...

Can't say I would ever answer it any other way.

Uh it's a little more complicated then that.Lets say you are starting your QB and starting the DEF he's playing.

Is it possible for your QB to get 3 tds and the DEF to get a shutout? No.

So you lower the max points you will get. Now the advantage is if your QB stinks, you'll likely get nice points from the DEF. And if the DEF stinks, you'll get a nice game from your QB.

You lower your upside, but generally raise your floor. It depends who you're playing. If you need a great game from EVERYONE, and you're playing the best team in the league, I wouldn't limit myself by playing guys that cancel each other out.

It's like starting Wayne, Clark, Harrison. They're all not going to have 100 yard 2 td games. But they're all not going to have 30 yard 0 td games. One of them usually goes off, and you cover your ###. But getting average results usually doesn't mean wins.

Fine i understand diversification and all that, but when discussing your opponent's QBs and your WRs cancelling them out, I dont think this has any merit.Start the best two receivers on your team...end of story.

Or if he is starting Charlie Frye go for two browns receivers and bench Holt and Harrison...good idea!

We really need the specifics here, but i still say start the best you got.

Easier said than done since nobody on the planet knows can predict the stats their guys will get.I fail to see why this is so difficult to understand. We have had this disagreement on this board many times, and some of the well thought out answers in this thread best describe why this strategy works on occasion.

:whoosh:

This guy doesn't get it... :(

...but some on the planet can predict which WRs will catch the TDs instead of the NFL team's TE, RB or WR4?There are some well thought out answers of why this doesn't work on occasion. This makes it just as random as trying to predict who your best options are at WR. Sooooo...why not just start who you think will score the most points? At best you "cancel" them out, at worst you are behind...I am not liking that, maybe thats just me that doesnt get it.

Let me try to put an end to this...this guy is in my league and playing me....I have Peyton Manning....He has Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrision.....he is struggling with whether he should start both of them or just one them and insert Ashley Lelie....who he feels is due for a breakout game....personally....I am hoping for the latter....but either way I am going to kick his butt......

 

[L5UT1ger]

If thats the case, starting the WRs to "cancel" out Peyton are his best options, so what is there to think about?

 

[(HULK)]

In my main league I have Peyton and another owner has Harrison and Wayne.

Both times we've played each other this season, I've won.

He started both Harrison and Wayne both games.

However, if he'd started another WR, he would've lost by even more.

Start your best players.

 

[Marburg]

LSUTiger is right on the money. You have to play the guys who score you the most points. If that is Wayne and Harrison, then start him regardless of the opponent's QB. In the end the higher score wins. Don't get cute and sit Harrison for lelie...Ok so Lelie will have a break out game eventually. Why would it be this week? Why would you ever start Lelie over either Wayne or Harrison barring a Colts bus accident on the way to the stadium?

You get into this sort of thing and you are completely outthinking yourself. Start the players most likely to score. P. E. R. I... D. Period. The matchup, especially the matchup vs. your opponent's fantasy team should be a tiebreaker only.