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Streaming to TV : What is my best option (1 Viewer)

NewlyRetired

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I have a large collection of movies and tv stored on a hard drive which is connected to a Windows 8 machine.

Currently I stream from that hard drive (via windows media player) to my PS3 which has some limitations and as I am coming to the end of my cycle with the ps3 I am interested to see what my options are.

Here are my basic needs for the streaming device:

DLNA compliant

Ability to support mp4, mkv and avi containers and the typical encoders (mostly h.264)

Ability to ignore Cinavia (this may be a long shot).

 
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Is the hard drive connected to a PC? windows media center with media player plugin and extender (Xbox or echo) should work. Don't know what cinavia is to answer that.

 
Is the hard drive connected to a PC? windows media center with media player plugin and extender (Xbox or echo) should work. Don't know what cinavia is to answer that.
Yes. That is pretty much how I stream today. The xbox and ps3 have similar limitations (do not support all files and both have Cinavia issues).

I will look up what Echo is. Thank you for the suggestion.

 
Not sure about other providers, but Directv has this option built in. If connected to your network, you can stream any photos, music or videos straight from any computer on your network.

 
WDTV Live. Stream to it with PS3 Media Server.
:goodposting:

I have the same setup over wireline adapters, hasn't buffered once since I set it up. :wub:

Note: Turn off transcoding in PS3 media server, you don't need it. WDTV Live will handle whatever you throw at it format wise.

 
WDTV Live. Stream to it with PS3 Media Server.
:goodposting:

I have the same setup over wireline adapters, hasn't buffered once since I set it up. :wub:

Note: Turn off transcoding in PS3 media server, you don't need it. WDTV Live will handle whatever you throw at it format wise.
Wireless works for me. Never had buffering issues even with 10GB+ rips.

My only beef with it is that is runs out of memory occasionally and crashes when using the Youtube app. Never have a problem with Netflix, MLB.tv or streaming to it.

 
WDTV Live. Stream to it with PS3 Media Server.
:goodposting:

I have the same setup over wireline adapters, hasn't buffered once since I set it up. :wub:

Note: Turn off transcoding in PS3 media server, you don't need it. WDTV Live will handle whatever you throw at it format wise.
Your note is important. The PS3 media server handling of mkv files sucks. Does WDTV live do a better job?

How does WDTV deal with Cinavia?

Thank you guys for the help.

 
Not sure about other providers, but Directv has this option built in. If connected to your network, you can stream any photos, music or videos straight from any computer on your network.
I have Direct TV (genie). I have not seen this feature. I will see if I can find it in the menus.

 
WDTV Live. Stream to it with PS3 Media Server.
:goodposting:

I have the same setup over wireline adapters, hasn't buffered once since I set it up. :wub:

Note: Turn off transcoding in PS3 media server, you don't need it. WDTV Live will handle whatever you throw at it format wise.
Your note is important. The PS3 media server handling of mkv files sucks. Does WDTV live do a better job?

How does WDTV deal with Cinavia?

Thank you guys for the help.
I have transcoding off and have streamed 3+ seasons of Breaking Bad that I downloaded in MKV with 0 issues, so PS3 media server definitely handles them. You use transcoding to transmit a file to a media server that doesn't natively handle processing of that file. This consumes processing resources, and for me has made the process much less enjoyable (e.g., not being able to Fast Forward because PS3 media server transcodes during play). Turn off transcoding, and you use a device like WDTV Live because it natively handles just about everything out there with 0 Cinavia or other copyright restrictions. With transcoding off, PS3 media server "tees up" or serves a file to the WDTV Live, and the WDTV live plays the file on the fly. No need at all for transcoding with a device like a WDTV Live, that's why you buy it.

 
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WDTV Live. Stream to it with PS3 Media Server.
:goodposting:

I have the same setup over wireline adapters, hasn't buffered once since I set it up. :wub:

Note: Turn off transcoding in PS3 media server, you don't need it. WDTV Live will handle whatever you throw at it format wise.
Your note is important. The PS3 media server handling of mkv files sucks. Does WDTV live do a better job?

How does WDTV deal with Cinavia?

Thank you guys for the help.
I have transcoding off and have streamed 3+ seasons of Breaking Bad that I downloaded in MKV with 0 issues, so PS3 media server definitely handles them. You use transcoding to transmit a file to a media server that doesn't natively handle processing of that file. This consumes processing resources, and for me has made the process much less enjoyable (e.g., not being able to Fast Forward because PS3 media server transcodes during play). Turn off transcoding, and you use a device like WDTV Live because it natively handles just about everything out there with 0 Cinavia or other copyright restrictions. With transcoding off, PS3 media server "tees up" or serves a file to the WDTV Live, and the WDTV live plays the file on the fly. No need at all for transcoding with a device like a WDTV Live, that's why you buy it.
ok this sounds like what I need and appears to be a better solution than my PS3. When I said PS3 Media Server sucks at handling MKV files, I meant in transcoding those files into a format that the PS3 can accept.

"just about everything out there with 0 Cinavia or other copyright restrictions"

Just for clarification, if I have a file that is Cinavia protected, WDTV will handle it with no issues or are you saying that as long as it does not have Cinavia it will handle it?

 
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Not sure about other providers, but Directv has this option built in. If connected to your network, you can stream any photos, music or videos straight from any computer on your network.
I have Direct TV (genie). I have not seen this feature. I will see if I can find it in the menus.
I went through every menu option and did not see this.

Are you confusing streaming from a PC to DirecTV with DIRECTV2PC?

DIRECTV2PC is a feature of DirecTV which allows you to watch items from DirectTV on your computer (the opposite direction form what I am talking about).

 
WDTV Live. Stream to it with PS3 Media Server.
:goodposting:

I have the same setup over wireline adapters, hasn't buffered once since I set it up. :wub:

Note: Turn off transcoding in PS3 media server, you don't need it. WDTV Live will handle whatever you throw at it format wise.
Your note is important. The PS3 media server handling of mkv files sucks. Does WDTV live do a better job?

How does WDTV deal with Cinavia?

Thank you guys for the help.
I have transcoding off and have streamed 3+ seasons of Breaking Bad that I downloaded in MKV with 0 issues, so PS3 media server definitely handles them. You use transcoding to transmit a file to a media server that doesn't natively handle processing of that file. This consumes processing resources, and for me has made the process much less enjoyable (e.g., not being able to Fast Forward because PS3 media server transcodes during play). Turn off transcoding, and you use a device like WDTV Live because it natively handles just about everything out there with 0 Cinavia or other copyright restrictions. With transcoding off, PS3 media server "tees up" or serves a file to the WDTV Live, and the WDTV live plays the file on the fly. No need at all for transcoding with a device like a WDTV Live, that's why you buy it.
ok this sounds like what I need and appears to be a better solution than my PS3.

"just about everything out there with 0 Cinavia or other copyright restrictions"

Just for clarification, if I have a file that is Cinavia protected, WDTV will handle it with no issues or are you saying that as long as it does not have Cinavia it will handle it?
Cinavia is software Sony put into its PS3 firmware that authorizes a movie to play via a key embedded into the audio track. Not all movies have this protection that you download/rip, but some newer movies have it. This software is not on WDTV Live (to my knowledge at least), so even if you download a file with a Cinavia key in it, since the WDTV Live doesn't (again, to my knowledge) have Cinavia in its firmware, nothing should happen. Haven't had an issue myself since I got my WDTV Live.

 
WDTV Live. Stream to it with PS3 Media Server.
:goodposting: I have the same setup over wireline adapters, hasn't buffered once since I set it up. :wub:

Note: Turn off transcoding in PS3 media server, you don't need it. WDTV Live will handle whatever you throw at it format wise.
Your note is important. The PS3 media server handling of mkv files sucks. Does WDTV live do a better job?

How does WDTV deal with Cinavia?

Thank you guys for the help.
I have transcoding off and have streamed 3+ seasons of Breaking Bad that I downloaded in MKV with 0 issues, so PS3 media server definitely handles them. You use transcoding to transmit a file to a media server that doesn't natively handle processing of that file. This consumes processing resources, and for me has made the process much less enjoyable (e.g., not being able to Fast Forward because PS3 media server transcodes during play). Turn off transcoding, and you use a device like WDTV Live because it natively handles just about everything out there with 0 Cinavia or other copyright restrictions. With transcoding off, PS3 media server "tees up" or serves a file to the WDTV Live, and the WDTV live plays the file on the fly. No need at all for transcoding with a device like a WDTV Live, that's why you buy it.
ok this sounds like what I need and appears to be a better solution than my PS3.

"just about everything out there with 0 Cinavia or other copyright restrictions"

Just for clarification, if I have a file that is Cinavia protected, WDTV will handle it with no issues or are you saying that as long as it does not have Cinavia it will handle it?
Cinavia is software Sony put into its PS3 firmware that authorizes a movie to play via a key embedded into the audio track. Not all movies have this protection that you download/rip, but some newer movies have it. This software is not on WDTV Live (to my knowledge at least), so even if you download a file with a Cinavia key in it, since the WDTV Live doesn't (again, to my knowledge) have Cinavia in its firmware, nothing should happen. Haven't had an issue myself since I got my WDTV Live.
It goes well beyond just Sony and PS3. Cinavia detection is required now in almost every Blu Ray player manufactured.

That is cool that WDTV Live does not concern itself with it. Thank you very much for your help!

 
Can't you just get an asus oplay, plug the hd into that and you're done or are u talking multiple tvs?
Multiple tv's and I like to keep the HD connected to the computer since I am constantly adding and removing material.
Ok, then what i have is just an o'play per tv all hardwired to the server in the basement. I personally love the o'play b/c all i care about is playing movies off the server and is does that flawlessly.

 
Not sure about other providers, but Directv has this option built in. If connected to your network, you can stream any photos, music or videos straight from any computer on your network.
I have Direct TV (genie). I have not seen this feature. I will see if I can find it in the menus.
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/content/directv/technology/mediashare
Sounds like there are/were multiple DLNA problems with Genie. Have you effectively streamed all types of containers to your genie?

http://www.dbstalk.com/topic/201138-genie-and-media-serving/

 
Not sure about other providers, but Directv has this option built in. If connected to your network, you can stream any photos, music or videos straight from any computer on your network.
I have Direct TV (genie). I have not seen this feature. I will see if I can find it in the menus.
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/content/directv/technology/mediashare
Sounds like there are/were multiple DLNA problems with Genie. Have you effectively streamed all types of containers to your genie?

http://www.dbstalk.com/topic/201138-genie-and-media-serving/
I don't have a genie, I have a HR24 DvR. I haven't tried streaming with DirecTV, but I've heard TVShare and Universal Media Server both work with DTV, but both have known issues.
 
I think I am going to give this a shot. I am sick of having to deal with work arounds for MKV files.

I shut off all transcoding in PS3 media server as suggested above.

Do you ever deal with .srt files? I sometimes have them with movies and was wondering if WDTV Live handled those as well or should I just let the PS3 Media Server embed them as I have in the past? (I am unsure how the PS3 Media server deals with .srt when all transcoding is shut off.)

 
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Not sure about other providers, but Directv has this option built in. If connected to your network, you can stream any photos, music or videos straight from any computer on your network.
I have Direct TV (genie). I have not seen this feature. I will see if I can find it in the menus.
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/content/directv/technology/mediashare
Sounds like there are/were multiple DLNA problems with Genie. Have you effectively streamed all types of containers to your genie?

http://www.dbstalk.com/topic/201138-genie-and-media-serving/
I set up Windows media player to share with my DTV Genie. One time setup, don't have to view thru the player. As long as my pc is on, I can go to menu on any of my DTV genies (even the mini genies that get their feed from the master, wich is the only one physically wired to my router), and view any shared movie, music or pictures. I haven't run into any major file formats that can't be accesses, granted haven't tried many.The only thing that stinks is the browser they the DTV interface.

 
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I think I am going to give this a shot. I am sick of having to deal with work arounds for MKV files.

I shut off all transcoding in PS3 media server as suggested above.

Do you ever deal with .srt files? I sometimes have them with movies and was wondering if WDTV Live handled those as well or should I just let the PS3 Media Server embed them as I have in the past? (I am unsure how the PS3 Media server deals with .srt when all transcoding is shut off.)
I use PS3 Media Server for the subs. Never had a problem with them. Haven't tried/don't know if WDTV can handle them on its own. Got them setup how I like them when I use the PS3 for streaming and never tried otherwise.

 
I think I am going to give this a shot. I am sick of having to deal with work arounds for MKV files.

I shut off all transcoding in PS3 media server as suggested above.

Do you ever deal with .srt files? I sometimes have them with movies and was wondering if WDTV Live handled those as well or should I just let the PS3 Media Server embed them as I have in the past? (I am unsure how the PS3 Media server deals with .srt when all transcoding is shut off.)
I use PS3 Media Server for the subs. Never had a problem with them. Haven't tried/don't know if WDTV can handle them on its own. Got them setup how I like them when I use the PS3 for streaming and never tried otherwise.
Awesome!

And you shut off all the transcoders in the PS3 Media Server like was mentioned earlier?

If true, I think this solves my last issue. :)

 
Another option is to run Plex on the PC with the media and then plug a Chromecast into your TV.

Personally, I run XBMC on a HTPC or Raspberry Pi and stream from my home server. A more robust, but more complicated solution.

Here is an old thread that describes the more robust solution in more detail.

 
The WDTV Live box should be here in a day or so.

Is there anything I can do to prep besides just have the PS3 Media Server running with all Transcoding off?

I guess I could set up my harmony remote to use this in my system.

 
Question:

Setup has gone well with WDTV Live except in one area. Let me describe

* Streaming from Windows 8 machine

* All files play fine through PS3 Media server

* All files with hard coded subs play fine

My one area of problem is with srt files.

The PS3 Media server is correctly picking up the srt file. On WdTV Live, the movie is shown as "Movie Name - {External Subtitles}" which shows that the srt file is being recognized.

This exact file plays correctly when streamed to my PS3.

But when displayed on WDTV Live, no subtitles show up.

Does this have anything to do with me shutting off all transcodings in the ps3 media server? I am at a loss here.

If you guys do use srt files, could you let me know if you had to do anything special to get them to display on WDTV Live?

 
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If you download Format Factory, you can switch ripped/dl'd files from one format to another easily. It can also hardcode the subtitle files to the video if that's what you want.

WDTV Live is on sale on one of the Woot sites today.

 
If you download Format Factory, you can switch ripped/dl'd files from one format to another easily. It can also hardcode the subtitle files to the video if that's what you want.

WDTV Live is on sale on one of the Woot sites today.
Thank you, I will take a look into it specifically for the ability to hardcode the srt file into the video as handbrake can not do that.

One of the reasons I purchased WDTV was to avoid the need to transcode items from one format to the next.

I am sure I am doing something wrong with this since others in the thread say they have it working.

 
ok I have format factpry running now as a test case to see how it embeds an srt file. That will take a while.

In the mean time I did a test case where I placed the movie and the srt file on a usb stick and plugged that directly into the WDTV and the movie played correctly with the subs.

So that means WDTV understands SRT files but I still might have an issue with the streaming.

As another experiment I am going to disable all subtitle options in the PS3 Media Server and see what happens on WDTV Live when I stream the movie with out the PS3 Media Server trying to handle the SRT file.

Maybe I can get lucky.

 
NewlyRetired said:
ok I have format factpry running now as a test case to see how it embeds an srt file. That will take a while.

In the mean time I did a test case where I placed the movie and the srt file on a usb stick and plugged that directly into the WDTV and the movie played correctly with the subs.

So that means WDTV understands SRT files but I still might have an issue with the streaming.

As another experiment I am going to disable all subtitle options in the PS3 Media Server and see what happens on WDTV Live when I stream the movie with out the PS3 Media Server trying to handle the SRT file.

Maybe I can get lucky.
nope. no luck.

I am missing something obvious here but I can't see what it is through experimentation.

I feel like there is some setting in the PS3 Media Server I must be doing wrong.

 
in looking online, people say streaming a srt file is not supported on WDTV Live via dlna but those posts are a couple of years old. Hopefully something works now.

 
I have a large collection of movies and tv stored on a hard drive which is connected to a Windows 8 machine.

Currently I stream from that hard drive (via windows media player) to my PS3 which has some limitations and as I am coming to the end of my cycle with the ps3 I am interested to see what my options are.

Here are my basic needs for the streaming device:

DLNA compliant

Ability to support mp4, mkv and avi containers and the typical encoders (mostly h.264)

Ability to ignore Cinavia (this may be a long shot).
This is a huge PITA with DVDFab getting nailed I imagine that AnyDVD HD is next up which will screw me hard. :kicksrock:

 
I have a large collection of movies and tv stored on a hard drive which is connected to a Windows 8 machine.

Currently I stream from that hard drive (via windows media player) to my PS3 which has some limitations and as I am coming to the end of my cycle with the ps3 I am interested to see what my options are.

Here are my basic needs for the streaming device:

DLNA compliant

Ability to support mp4, mkv and avi containers and the typical encoders (mostly h.264)

Ability to ignore Cinavia (this may be a long shot).
This is a huge PITA with DVDFab getting nailed I imagine that AnyDVD HD is next up which will screw me hard. :kicksrock:
already tested that and it works great. WDTV Live ignores is completely.

If I can figure out my srt problem, this little box will solve all of my issues.

 
I have a large collection of movies and tv stored on a hard drive which is connected to a Windows 8 machine.

Currently I stream from that hard drive (via windows media player) to my PS3 which has some limitations and as I am coming to the end of my cycle with the ps3 I am interested to see what my options are.

Here are my basic needs for the streaming device:

DLNA compliant

Ability to support mp4, mkv and avi containers and the typical encoders (mostly h.264)

Ability to ignore Cinavia (this may be a long shot).
This is a huge PITA with DVDFab getting nailed I imagine that AnyDVD HD is next up which will screw me hard. :kicksrock:
already tested that and it works great. WDTV Live ignores is completely.

If I can figure out my srt problem, this little box will solve all of my issues.
It won't solve mine....since I use the HTPC to do the streaming via media browser, which feeds my mobile devices. Does WDTV stream to ipads wirelessly?

 
I have a large collection of movies and tv stored on a hard drive which is connected to a Windows 8 machine.

Currently I stream from that hard drive (via windows media player) to my PS3 which has some limitations and as I am coming to the end of my cycle with the ps3 I am interested to see what my options are.

Here are my basic needs for the streaming device:

DLNA compliant

Ability to support mp4, mkv and avi containers and the typical encoders (mostly h.264)

Ability to ignore Cinavia (this may be a long shot).
This is a huge PITA with DVDFab getting nailed I imagine that AnyDVD HD is next up which will screw me hard. :kicksrock:
already tested that and it works great. WDTV Live ignores is completely.

If I can figure out my srt problem, this little box will solve all of my issues.
It won't solve mine....since I use the HTPC to do the streaming via media browser, which feeds my mobile devices. Does WDTV stream to ipads wirelessly?
I don't know.

My use is to stream from computer to WDTV Live. I am not using WDTV Live as a source of streaming (yet?)

 
Sorry NR, .srt subtitle files are probably the only area where I have no versing with the WDTV live. I turned them off in PS3 Media Player, because they were being played for everything at the start, which was driving me nuts. Stunk for Season 4 of Breaking Bad as I know 0% Spanish, but I was too lazy to look into how to turn them on/off. I'll look into this within PS3 MP over the weekend and let you know what I can surmise.

 
Sorry NR, .srt subtitle files are probably the only area where I have no versing with the WDTV live. I turned them off in PS3 Media Player, because they were being played for everything at the start, which was driving me nuts. Stunk for Season 4 of Breaking Bad as I know 0% Spanish, but I was too lazy to look into how to turn them on/off. I'll look into this within PS3 MP over the weekend and let you know what I can surmise.
thanks!

I am about to test out a file I just made using Format Factory which is said to embed the srt file into the main movie file meaning we won't have to worry about this if it does not work.

 
Sorry NR, .srt subtitle files are probably the only area where I have no versing with the WDTV live. I turned them off in PS3 Media Player, because they were being played for everything at the start, which was driving me nuts. Stunk for Season 4 of Breaking Bad as I know 0% Spanish, but I was too lazy to look into how to turn them on/off. I'll look into this within PS3 MP over the weekend and let you know what I can surmise.
thanks!

I am about to test out a file I just made using Format Factory which is said to embed the srt file into the main movie file meaning we won't have to worry about this if it does not work.
ok first test was a failure but I think I see my mistake. Trying again with a new setting on Format Factory

 
One thing I am noticing about WDTV Live is that if I leave for a while and come back, it says it lost contact with the PS3 Media server and the only way I seem to get it to find it again is to pull the plug in the back.

Is there a software reset in one of the menu's I can use? The signal strength to the wireless is excellent so I know that it not the issue and the PS3 Media Server itself seems fine on the Windows 8 machine.

 
One thing I am noticing about WDTV Live is that if I leave for a while and come back, it says it lost contact with the PS3 Media server and the only way I seem to get it to find it again is to pull the plug in the back.

Is there a software reset in one of the menu's I can use? The signal strength to the wireless is excellent so I know that it not the issue and the PS3 Media Server itself seems fine on the Windows 8 machine.
Hit the restart button in PS3 media server and you should be good to go, I do it probably once a day.

Will look into .srt for you over the weekend, boss.

 
Polish Hammer said:
If you download Format Factory, you can switch ripped/dl'd files from one format to another easily. It can also hardcode the subtitle files to the video if that's what you want.
Ivan,

I have followed these steps exactly and I am not seeing my subtitles appear when I use VLC or WMP on the computer after I finish the conversion. Do you see anything missing in these steps that I might need? It seems very basic, so I am unsure what I can be screwing up

http://www.ehow.com/how_12187453_hardcode-subs-using-format-factory.html

 
Polish Hammer said:
If you download Format Factory, you can switch ripped/dl'd files from one format to another easily. It can also hardcode the subtitle files to the video if that's what you want.
Ivan,

I have followed these steps exactly and I am not seeing my subtitles appear when I use VLC or WMP on the computer after I finish the conversion. Do you see anything missing in these steps that I might need? It seems very basic, so I am unsure what I can be screwing up

http://www.ehow.com/how_12187453_hardcode-subs-using-format-factory.html
I must be doing something wrong. I just downloaded another very similar program called AVC and it worked the first time I tried it.

 
I went on to the WD Live forums and talked with a knowledgeable poster.

He said srt files are not supported using DLNA but are supported using network share. Since I am using DLNA I have to just embed the srt files into the media file, which is pretty simple to do and have already had working correctly.

Cliff, does what he said jive with what you are doing?

 
I went on to the WD Live forums and talked with a knowledgeable poster.

He said srt files are not supported using DLNA but are supported using network share. Since I am using DLNA I have to just embed the srt files into the media file, which is pretty simple to do and have already had working correctly.

Cliff, does what he said jive with what you are doing?
Had to double check. I still have transcoding enabled which from what I gather, is required for subs. Never a problem playing the files with it enabled, but as mquinnjr said, fast-forwarding sucks. It is fine for TV rips that are only 300~mb but for anything bigger you can't FF anything more that 2x (in my experience).

 
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