Suggestions for improvements in FBG IDP coverage (1 Viewer)

[Jene Bramel]

Similar thread running in the Shark Pool; figured it was worth it starting one here.

We've been throwing around a lot of things behind the scenes over the past month and I think we've got a good idea of what the IDP Forum vets want to see. Still, let us know what you'd like to see continued or see more or less of in 2007.

Thanks.

 

[redman]

Break out ratings for S's and CB's, and DT's and DE's. The IDP leagues I'm in treat them separately, so it's nice to see them ranked among their specific positions only.

 

[snellman]

Break out ratings for S's and CB's, and DT's and DE's. The IDP leagues I'm in treat them separately, so it's nice to see them ranked among their specific positions only.

Starting in a New IDP this year that is going to break them down, so that would be a definite improvement.

 

[alg]

Sortable stats. The current IDP views makes it rather hard to get meaningful insights.

 

[purplehaze67]

Break out ratings for S's and CB's, and DT's and DE's. The IDP leagues I'm in treat them separately, so it's nice to see them ranked among their specific positions only.

Starting in a New IDP this year that is going to break them down, so that would be a definite improvement.

Agreed, but I'd like to see a little more commentary focus during the week on DTs/CBs, too. Kinda seems like the general mindset is to talk about those that are worthehile starters in non-broken-out league styles. I'd like to see more in-depth write-ups about some of the guys who may not make the cut in a combined leagues, but could be valuable in broken-out systems. That's where people like me who need an edge may be able to get one...

 

[BoltBacker]

Break out ratings for S's and CB's, and DT's and DE's. The IDP leagues I'm in treat them separately, so it's nice to see them ranked among their specific positions only.

Agreed.Not sure how it would be implemented but in the IDP leagues I'm in the scoring is wildly different. It would be nice to be able to sort the rankings somehow based in some way on at least a couple of different scoring systems.

 

[redman]

Break out ratings for S's and CB's, and DT's and DE's. The IDP leagues I'm in treat them separately, so it's nice to see them ranked among their specific positions only.

Agreed.Not sure how it would be implemented but in the IDP leagues I'm in the scoring is wildly different. It would be nice to be able to sort the rankings somehow based in some way on at least a couple of different scoring systems.

The VBD between positions is your business but you should use a simple, generic scoring system that awards a modest base amount for tackles (and probably an equivalent amount for passes defensed), half of that for assists, and more than that for "big plays" such as sacks, INT's, forced fumbles, fumble recoveries, etc. I'd suggest the following system, from which it's relatively easy for each owner to adjust up or down based upon bonuses their particular league gives for certain plays:Tackle 1 ptAssist .5 ptsPass defensed 1 pointSacks 2 pts per 1/2 sackINT 4 pointsTD's 6 pointsForced fumble 3 pointsFumble recovery 3 points This is a fairly "typical" point distribution that is scaled, more or less, to the value of each play in reality.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Break out ratings for S's and CB's, and DT's and DE's. The IDP leagues I'm in treat them separately, so it's nice to see them ranked among their specific positions only.

Agreed.Not sure how it would be implemented but in the IDP leagues I'm in the scoring is wildly different. It would be nice to be able to sort the rankings somehow based in some way on at least a couple of different scoring systems.

The VBD between positions is your business but you should use a simple, generic scoring system that awards a modest base amount for tackles (and probably an equivalent amount for passes defensed), half of that for assists, and more than that for "big plays" such as sacks, INT's, forced fumbles, fumble recoveries, etc. I'd suggest the following system, from which it's relatively easy for each owner to adjust up or down based upon bonuses their particular league gives for certain plays:Tackle 1 ptAssist .5 ptsPass defensed 1 pointSacks 2 pts per 1/2 sackINT 4 pointsTD's 6 pointsForced fumble 3 pointsFumble recovery 3 points This is a fairly "typical" point distribution that is scaled, more or less, to the value of each play in reality.

Agreed!!

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Break out ratings for S's and CB's, and DT's and DE's. The IDP leagues I'm in treat them separately, so it's nice to see them ranked among their specific positions only.

Agreed.Not sure how it would be implemented but in the IDP leagues I'm in the scoring is wildly different. It would be nice to be able to sort the rankings somehow based in some way on at least a couple of different scoring systems.

The VBD between positions is your business but you should use a simple, generic scoring system that awards a modest base amount for tackles (and probably an equivalent amount for passes defensed), half of that for assists, and more than that for "big plays" such as sacks, INT's, forced fumbles, fumble recoveries, etc. I'd suggest the following system, from which it's relatively easy for each owner to adjust up or down based upon bonuses their particular league gives for certain plays:Tackle 1 ptAssist .5 ptsPass defensed 1 pointSacks 2 pts per 1/2 sackINT 4 pointsTD's 6 pointsForced fumble 3 pointsFumble recovery 3 points This is a fairly "typical" point distribution that is scaled, more or less, to the value of each play in reality.

Thats a fair enough average/base-line. My only suggestion would be that many leagues do not use FF,FR or PD at all. May want to lower 'em a touch in the scoring so the breakdown transcends even more leagues.

 

[msommer]

Tackle 1 ptAssist .5 ptsPass defensed 1 pointSacks 2 pts per 1/2 sackINT 4 pointsTD's 6 pointsForced fumble 3 pointsFumble recovery 3 points This is a fairly "typical" point distribution that is scaled, more or less, to the value of each play in reality.

Thats a fair enough average/base-line. My only suggestion would be that many leagues do not use FF,FR or PD at all. May want to lower 'em a touch in the scoring so the breakdown transcends even more leagues.

I have a hard time see how a PD is not the same if not better than a tackle (offense never gains yards on a PD) and why it should not be included in the scoring system as such. Leaving it out severely puts players who defend the pass at a disadvantage to in-the-box players.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Tackle 1 ptAssist .5 ptsPass defensed 1 pointSacks 2 pts per 1/2 sackINT 4 pointsTD's 6 pointsForced fumble 3 pointsFumble recovery 3 points This is a fairly "typical" point distribution that is scaled, more or less, to the value of each play in reality.

Thats a fair enough average/base-line. My only suggestion would be that many leagues do not use FF,FR or PD at all. May want to lower 'em a touch in the scoring so the breakdown transcends even more leagues.

I have a hard time see how a PD is not the same if not better than a tackle (offense never gains yards on a PD) and why it should not be included in the scoring system as such. Leaving it out severely puts players who defend the pass at a disadvantage to in-the-box players.

Thats not the question.They are almost as good as a tackle, so are FFs. The only thing I pointed out was many IDP leagues simply dont use those 3 stats (PD,FF,FR) and as such, the listing/ranking would carry over (be able to be used) in more leagues if those stats scored a bit less (.5, 1, 1). It wasnt a discussion/question on how to set up or score a league.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

Have 2 sets of weekly rankings each week. One for big play leagues and one for tackle heavy leagues. I know in my league big plays-sacks,ints,FR are worth 5x that of a tackle, FF, PD 2x that of a tackle

 

[Keg]

Tackle 1 ptAssist .5 ptsPass defensed 1 pointSacks 2 pts per 1/2 sackINT 4 pointsTD's 6 pointsForced fumble 3 pointsFumble recovery 3 points This is a fairly "typical" point distribution that is scaled, more or less, to the value of each play in reality.

Thats a fair enough average/base-line. My only suggestion would be that many leagues do not use FF,FR or PD at all. May want to lower 'em a touch in the scoring so the breakdown transcends even more leagues.

I have a hard time see how a PD is not the same if not better than a tackle (offense never gains yards on a PD) and why it should not be included in the scoring system as such. Leaving it out severely puts players who defend the pass at a disadvantage to in-the-box players.

Thats not the question.They are almost as good as a tackle, so are FFs. The only thing I pointed out was many IDP leagues simply dont use those 3 stats (PD,FF,FR) and as such, the listing/ranking would carry over (be able to be used) in more leagues if those stats scored a bit less (.5, 1, 1). It wasnt a discussion/question on how to set up or score a league.

i dont know how many leagues you are in or how you come up with "MANY"...fwiw EVERY league that I am in (5) and at least 5 others i know about use PD/FF & FRs...in all of my leagues PD=1.5pts...also in that scoring everyone does realize that a sack is worth a total of 5points(2per half sack + 1 for tackle)...all my leagues are 2pt/tackle 1pt/asst and either 1pt/half sack or 1.5pts/half sack

 

[Rozelle]

Maybe you could have something that when you log in, you set a user profile of your scoring system and rankings are based off that. So in a sense they would be unique for every user log in.

 

[jgb95]

FFToday has that and it rocks!!!!!

 

[JoeSteeler]

FFToday has that and it rocks!!!!!

Yes it does rock!

 

[Rozelle]

Maybe you could have something that when you log in, you set a user profile of your scoring system and rankings are based off that. So in a sense they would be unique for every user log in.

FFToday has that and it rocks!!!!!

FFToday has that and it rocks!!!!!

Yes it does rock!

Guess its do-able :(

 

[Rozelle]

Maybe you could have something that when you log in, you set a user profile of your scoring system and rankings are based off that. So in a sense they would be unique for every user log in.

FFToday has that and it rocks!!!!!

FFToday has that and it rocks!!!!!

Yes it does rock!

Guess its do-able

Hey JeneIs this something FBG's would consider?

 

[Zoomanji]

Break out ratings for S's and CB's, and DT's and DE's. The IDP leagues I'm in treat them separately, so it's nice to see them ranked among their specific positions only.

Agreed.Not sure how it would be implemented but in the IDP leagues I'm in the scoring is wildly different. It would be nice to be able to sort the rankings somehow based in some way on at least a couple of different scoring systems.

The VBD between positions is your business but you should use a simple, generic scoring system that awards a modest base amount for tackles (and probably an equivalent amount for passes defensed), half of that for assists, and more than that for "big plays" such as sacks, INT's, forced fumbles, fumble recoveries, etc. I'd suggest the following system, from which it's relatively easy for each owner to adjust up or down based upon bonuses their particular league gives for certain plays:

Tackle 1 pt

Assist .5 pts

Pass defensed 1 point

Sacks 2 pts per 1/2 sack

INT 4 points

TD's 6 points

Forced fumble 3 points

Fumble recovery 3 points

This is a fairly "typical" point distribution that is scaled, more or less, to the value of each play in reality.

Seriously? 4 points per one sack All my leagues are 1 point per half sack

 

[redman]

Break out ratings for S's and CB's, and DT's and DE's. The IDP leagues I'm in treat them separately, so it's nice to see them ranked among their specific positions only.

Agreed.Not sure how it would be implemented but in the IDP leagues I'm in the scoring is wildly different. It would be nice to be able to sort the rankings somehow based in some way on at least a couple of different scoring systems.

The VBD between positions is your business but you should use a simple, generic scoring system that awards a modest base amount for tackles (and probably an equivalent amount for passes defensed), half of that for assists, and more than that for "big plays" such as sacks, INT's, forced fumbles, fumble recoveries, etc. I'd suggest the following system, from which it's relatively easy for each owner to adjust up or down based upon bonuses their particular league gives for certain plays:

Tackle 1 pt

Assist .5 pts

Pass defensed 1 point

Sacks 2 pts per 1/2 sack

INT 4 points

TD's 6 points

Forced fumble 3 points

Fumble recovery 3 points

This is a fairly "typical" point distribution that is scaled, more or less, to the value of each play in reality.

Seriously? 4 points per one sack All my leagues are 1 point per half sack

That seems undervalued. IDP tends to weight "big plays" more, and I'd think we all agree that a sack is more than twice as significant during a game as an ordinary tackle. Obviously, they call this "fantasy football" for a reason, but still.

 

[Zoomanji]

Break out ratings for S's and CB's, and DT's and DE's. The IDP leagues I'm in treat them separately, so it's nice to see them ranked among their specific positions only.

Agreed.Not sure how it would be implemented but in the IDP leagues I'm in the scoring is wildly different. It would be nice to be able to sort the rankings somehow based in some way on at least a couple of different scoring systems.

The VBD between positions is your business but you should use a simple, generic scoring system that awards a modest base amount for tackles (and probably an equivalent amount for passes defensed), half of that for assists, and more than that for "big plays" such as sacks, INT's, forced fumbles, fumble recoveries, etc. I'd suggest the following system, from which it's relatively easy for each owner to adjust up or down based upon bonuses their particular league gives for certain plays:

Tackle 1 pt

Assist .5 pts

Pass defensed 1 point

Sacks 2 pts per 1/2 sack

INT 4 points

TD's 6 points

Forced fumble 3 points

Fumble recovery 3 points

This is a fairly "typical" point distribution that is scaled, more or less, to the value of each play in reality.

Seriously? 4 points per one sack All my leagues are 1 point per half sack

That seems undervalued. IDP tends to weight "big plays" more, and I'd think we all agree that a sack is more than twice as significant during a game as an ordinary tackle. Obviously, they call this "fantasy football" for a reason, but still.

Just haven't ever seen it that high. In my leagues we still get the points for the tackle too (2 per) so a sack will still total 4 points.And actually I just double checked and some of my leagues are 3 not 2 points per sack

 

[Jene Bramel]

We're not intentionally orphaning this thread. Can't confirm anything just yet, but I believe the bigwigs and muckety-mucks are working on some of these suggestions.

 

[Rozelle]

We're not intentionally orphaning this thread. Can't confirm anything just yet, but I believe the bigwigs and muckety-mucks are working on some of these suggestions.

Cool!

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

bump

Jene, any update on new rankings, brakdowns, changes for this year

Thanks

 

[Jene Bramel]

bumpJene, any update on new rankings, brakdowns, changes for this yearThanks

Let me check with Drinen and Norton. I know there were some major changes to the IDP database in the works but I don't know where they were on Drinen's priority list, which is ridiculously long for much of the off-season.

 

[Toads]

Hire a proof reader and have him/her look over the rankings for obvious errors/ommissions prior to posting.

 

[BearsFan]

If you're somehow able to maintain a database of projected stats per player, based on their current circumstance, the player position rankings could theoretically be automated based on a input of a leagues scoring info.

 

[Jene Bramel]

If you're somehow able to maintain a database of projected stats per player, based on their current circumstance, the player position rankings could theoretically be automated based on a input of a leagues scoring info.

I'm not intimately involved with the database and I'm in no position to promise anything -- I'm just a grunt with a message board addiction -- but this is one of many big improvements to the IDP side of the database that are being fine-tuned.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Hire a proof reader and have him/her look over the rankings for obvious errors/ommissions prior to posting.

We cross-check each other as a group. I'd guess that Bob didn't look at the list after he posted it and will correct the Ryans deal immediately after seeing the emails/posts pointing it out ASAP today.Behind the scenes, though, the entry process we use to generate the web page can lead to unintentional omissions and errors, especially with the initial process. We could still do a better job of checking our list against the others already posted (where applicable) to make sure the potential "errors/omissions" are intentional. I'd expect the rank lists to be tightened up considerably over the next 48 hours as we continue tweaking them during mini-camps and discussions on the board threads.

 

[bonscott]

Please have Eye's of the Guru come out on Wednesday. It will help in choosing free agents to bid on for a Thursday lottery.

As for ranking based on your custom scoring, Fantasy Guru has a pretty slick system for this. You can setup multiple teams, select the players on each team, and select a scoring system for each team. And it remembers from season to season.

Then you can see all your players ranked per team, or see everyone ranked.

Only problem is I rarely agree on their IDP projects/rankings so if I could only plug in FBG's IDP rankings in there.

Other sites offer this as well. If FBG's can do this then it will only increase your lead over other sites.

 

[Jene Bramel]

With apologies for being vague in prior posts, here is part of the future improvements that are being developed for the database. Drinen is continuing to work on other improvements specific to IDP owners.

MyFootballguys - Possibly the most exciting project we have ever developed. This area will allow users to define multiple profiles based on each of their leagues. These profiles will then allow you to create custom SOS, custom Top 200 lists, Forward lists (looking at week 7 when it's only week 4), custom projections / rankings and view past stats all catered to your scoring criteria. Players that are on your roster (or you are targeting for trades, etc) can be assigned to the MyTeam against said profiles. This is likely to become the most important page of the Footballguys.com subscription.

Link to discussion of other coming improvements.

 

[redman]

With apologies for being vague in prior posts, here is part of the future improvements that are being developed for the database. Drinen is continuing to work on other improvements specific to IDP owners.

MyFootballguys - Possibly the most exciting project we have ever developed. This area will allow users to define multiple profiles based on each of their leagues. These profiles will then allow you to create custom SOS, custom Top 200 lists, Forward lists (looking at week 7 when it's only week 4), custom projections / rankings and view past stats all catered to your scoring criteria. Players that are on your roster (or you are targeting for trades, etc) can be assigned to the MyTeam against said profiles. This is likely to become the most important page of the Footballguys.com subscription.

Link to discussion of other coming improvements.

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